When George is about to return the movie "Rochelle, Rochelle", he meets Susan in the video-store. She asks him what movie he is returning, and he says something like, "It's a foreign movie. It's a film, actually".
So my question to all you American people is: What is the difference between a movie and a film?
"The Man of Purpose" schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:nVc78.7828$[email]...
Most people people in Europe would use the word 'film', either in their own languages or when trying to speak English - 'movie' OTH is an americanism, albeit gaining in popularity. The cliche is that American movies are synonymous with Hollywood movies, i.e. purely commercial, whereas in in other parts of the world like Europe, film-making is still supposed to be an artistic medium. Foreign movies or 'films' are almost never commercially successful in the US and the ones that get shown there are targeted at and apreciated only by a select, artistically minded audience. The words 'movie' and 'film' seem to provide an easy way to distinguish between the two types. Especially in the mind of a not too bright prevaricator like George.
"A Room With A View" is a film. "Dude, Where's My Car?" is a movie.
^^^^^^ "Art is often hailed as the grandest expression of human spirit, but we know now ... that the grandest expression of human spirit is whatever it takes for a man or woman to rush back into a burning building to save more people."
"Art Vandelay" wrote in message news:[email]...
What about "The English Patient"? ;-)
Ian
"Ian F." schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:[email]...
It's definitely a film and good one, too. Don't listen to Elaine, she is in some kind of denial. That's understandable, because she had just got fooled by Vincent's sophisticated video picks and he turned out to be a pimply adolescent. What does a mind so traumatised instinctively do? It rejects 'The English Patient', fearing another false idol and embraces the soothing therapy of 'Sack Lunch'.
So wrong. That's an exceptionally commercial (and pants) movie. It's just drivel.
Look to "El Espinazo Del Diablo", "Monsoon Wedding" or even "Mulholland Drive" if you're looking for film. Any of those films have 5 times the imagination of brain-dead, blockbuster tat like The English Patient, Lord of the Rings or Blair Witch (2!).
Grrrrr.
DV
"Daniel Vesma" writes:
Oh Dan! You're so urbane and cultured. I am massively impressed by the startlingly original rejection of the mainstream.
Please help show us plebian philistines the error of our ways.
And in other news: http://www.theonion.com/onion3607/girlfriend_apocalypse.html
Lord of
Aww, thanks mate, I'm glad you noticed the fact that I am clearly superior to you. :-)
Who said I was rejecting the mainstream? I would class all of the films I mention above as mainstream. They are just not rubbish.
I'm not part of alternitive culture, my music (Arab Strap, Koop & Shimon) is mainstream, my cloaths (Cult & Debinhams), is high street, my food (Asda & Waitrose) is confortable, my car (350SLC) is cheap, my PCs (850linux/750m.e.) are basic and I wear suits all day.
I wouldn't know where to look for proper (non-mainstream) cinema, I'm just not in that scene.
The films mentioned can be seen in the same places, for the same money as "The Wedding Planner", it just takes the effort to think about what you're watching rather than sucking bullshit in like the majority of the UK/US film going public.
Pleasure. I appreciate you thinking that I'm some form of rebel hippy chap.
Very funny. I haven't seen it either :-(
DV
"Daniel Vesma" writes:
On what planet?
Linux on a desktop isn't mainstream.
Gloucester (or maybe the under 50s?)...
Arab Strap... Music has been used on adverts, videos shown on MTV, regularly played late night on Radio 1.
Koop... Ask anyone with any knowledge of modern jazz, or anyone who has read last month's NME (mainstream music press)
Shimon... his colaboration with Andy C. gets played on Dance Anthems on Radio 1 (that's mainstream to the n'th degree)
It's more mainstream that Linux on a Laptop! Anyway, I use it as a soft-synth stuff, and as an MP3 mini-server (just to my other PC and a mixer).
OK, here's my mainstream test: How far down the scale does somthing get mentioned (1 is most mainstream).
I get as far as 7. I receive 9, but don't understand a word of it. How 'bout you????
DV
"Daniel Vesma" writes:
I know who they are, I've seen Arab Strap four times. But they've never had a hit, have they, and the Guiness ad was just the instrumental track of "First Big Weekend", which defeats the point. And "late night radio 1" isn't mainstream, since "late night radio 1" usually means John Peel. And if thats mainstream, then Lawnmower Death and Bolt Thrower were mainstream.
No. "Smash hits" is the mainstream music press. Westlife, Mariah Carey, Blur, Oasis, Lighthouse Family, Kylie
NME is a mag for skinny indie kids (tm Half Man Half Biscuit): the kind of people who tell us how much better indie movies are than Hollywood. (Which isn't to knock it. I still read it from time to time and was never without a copy from '87-'94).
(BTW: Is it really monthly now, or was that just a slip?)
Its more mainstream than FreeBSD anywhere. But it isn't mainstream.
Hey, my mate Dave used to read the news on Severn Sound. And I've been to see Forest Green Rovers in their fleet of black dune buggies (or whatever they were)
I might be prepared to argue the order of 5,6,7 but, yeah, about the same.
regularly
I've never seen them outside of a festival enviroment. Any good?
I may be wrong, but I think that track got into the top 20.
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Yeah, mainly Peel. I would argue that his show IS mainstream (I know very gimpy people who read it).
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NME, Q, Smash Hits and all the others are mainstream.
I'm not really an indie kid, and I sure aint skinny. I just think it sucks a hell of a lot less than most of the others.
I only read it at friends places. I'm a skint student.
just a slip, koop was reviewed last WEEK. sorry.
You'd be amazed how many peeps have it.
buggies
The "Black Thunders". How awful for you!
How would you re-order them?
"Daniel Vesma" writes:
Oooh a top 20 record. Mainstream here we come!
Its difficult to say. Talking purely about music 5,6,7 for stuff up the NME's street, 5,7,6 for folk, country, world music &c.
Dude, that means it got played on "The Pepsi Chat" of Severn Sound! And on Radio1, and it means that you could have got a copy from WH-Smiths.
That's mainstream. You're just worried that your "alternative credibility" will be diminished by the fact you like stuff that IS mainstream!
DV
"Daniel Vesma" writes:
Thats actually pretty funny.
Lets put it like this : I own Cher records I think "... Baby One More Time" is the best single of the last 5 years I listen to country music and believe Johnny Cash to be the greatest living American
In short: I do not have credibility, alternative or otherwise.
OK, it's time to get all non-alternitive on you...
Last records I got (2nd hand)...
Snap - Rythem is a dancer 2 Unimited - no limits The Police - don't stand so close to me (own 2 copies!?!)
My first ever CD perchase was Alice Party - I don't need your life.
Agree. Espicially like the Travis version.
living
I get my friends' younger sisters to buy me S-Club7 records. I have WAY less cred. than you.
DV
Daniel Vesma wrote:
That last sentence should be put on a t-shirt. LOL!
East
credibility"
Top idea. Split the profits 50/50?
DV
There's a cunumdrum regarding glasses.. Is a glass with contents to the halfway point 'half full' or 'half empty'?
The correct answer is.. it depends on whether you're pouring or drinking!
I think the same is true of the movie/film question.
It's a 'film' if you're making it.. a 'movie' if you're watching.
homerr.. [and that should settle that]
it's never a film if you shoot directly to video.
A movie that wants to be a film...
/Mats
"Ian F." wrote in message news:[email]...
I could not stand that movie. I actually left the theatre after two hours (still an hour left!). I was bored to death and got outraged when the film cought fire and the thatre decided to force us to watch it from the very beginning all over again....
Iz
So which is better?
"Stripes" and "Blazing Saddles" were movies, not films.
I rest my case.
I havn't seen "Stripes", but I think I would class Blazing Sadles as a film.It had an indefinable quality to it (and the beans scene)
DV
"MG" schreef in bericht news:a3jo7h$5un$[email]...
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*Trying* to speak English? Excuse me, you should be thankful to the European continent that we shared one of our languages with you.
"Mailman" schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:a3kava$a2i$[email]...
European
Come on mailman, you know I mean continental, i.e. non-English Europeans. Hey, I'm even one myself!
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So... Would this scenario ring true, if two American's were talking:
-Hey dude, do ya wanna catch a movie tonight? -No, I'm sick of movies. I'd rather see a film!
Up until today that conversation would have made no sense at all to me :-) We live and learn... ...at least we live.
There is no difference between a film and a movie.
And don't forget to say "The Oscar goes to" instead of "And the winner is...."
or Canadians.
The Man of Purpose wrote:
I don't think those two crowds would mix to even have that conversation. Those who would go to a "film" wouldn't care to see a movie. They would consider the movie to be too down scale for their tastes. Those invited to see a "film" when they go to see movies most of the time, might ask questions like "Who is in it?" and then make a face when they never heard of the actors in it or any other films they have done. People who go to see a "movie" want to be entertained by things blowing up, car chases and beautiful actors. I don't think the people who want to see a "film" are smarter people, but some of them like to think they are somehow better for doing so. Another thing to add, I have noticed that people who claim that they don't watch TV (yet they always know what is on :-) ) like to think of themselves as those who go to see a "film". They might not go to see many films, but they like to think they are. This is all a stereotype, of course. Not intended to insult anyone, just trying to help explain it.
East
The Man of Purpose wrote:
What about a flick? A show? A feature?
How can a simple question like "The difference between movie & film" create such outstanding feedback??? Whereas, when I post a question about K-Man's nationality, absolutely nobody responds.
E. Marie B.
"Sheryl Opperman" writes:
The movie/film question has an answer, the Kramer question doesn't. I guess he is Canadian too, but there is no proof anywhere in the series.
R
I digress.
-EMB
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