their personalities are changing

Anyone notice that the character's personalities are changing? And just like a group of friends will evolve over time...their relationships change... the Seinfeld group are doing the same, I think. Especially noticeable to me is that they are getting irritable with each other. This is in contrast to almost any other tv show, where the characters traits seem to be listed on a sheet pinned to the writers cubicle wall, never to be varied. Sam Malone = vain, chases women. That kind of thing.

Nope, they are still the same as they were in the beginning and they will stay the same forever.

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I must disagree. Remember when Elaine used to be really into "causes" like her pro-choice stance, etc. Now, Elaince doesn't seem to care about anything.

I think they all seem to like eachother less and less. Remember Elaine yelling at George to be quiet in the coffee shop?

JMM

Thank you  James Mcfadden, Elaine yelling at George in the coffeshop is
just such an example.  I think I first noticed it in the bizarro episode
when Elaine seemed to be getting sick of all of them. In the end she
realized that bitter-sweet is better than icky sweet, but still, her
dissatisfaction was registered.
   And more recently the one that begins with all of them in bed together.
She feels smothered.
   Even the one at the beginning of the George&Susan series.  When Jerry
and George talk about  how they can't go on living like they do.  They have
to grow up.  And they form a "pact" to each get married.
   All of this was, to me, foreshadowing for allowing the personalities to
grow and change.  Which just makes it even more interesting and funny to
me.
   (Maybe I think about this shit too much)

George's parents change, when they tell George they want to cut him loose, they are sick of firings and the breakups.

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"E Johannesen" wrote:

I find that I'm a different person than I was 9 years ago, five, three, etc.

I'll always love Lanie, of course, but I've gone sour on red velvet cake. Go figure.

High Five, WT

I disagree completely. *KRAMER* was very different in the earliest episodes, a little spooky in fact. Then he became just eccentric. I think he's a little different now, or maybe it just seems that way because the writers have him doing stupid stuff that is usually separate from the rest of the cast. They used to integrate him into the show more.

*GEORGE* at first had a little more dignity, Jerry would actually ask him for advice (and take it). Then George became completely nuerotic in a pathic sort of way that allowed you to be sympathetic towards him, even tho he was coniving and self-centered. Now he's fatter and more aggressive/less sympathetic (to me, anyway). He reminds me of Don Rickles, where he used to be more of a Lou Costello.

*ELAINE* was similar to George, nuerotic and pathetic enough to be a sympathetic figure. Now she seems stronger and meaner.

*JERRY* I guess hasn't changed too much. *NEUMAN* is thinner. I always wonder about these heavy stars. They are forced to give up their health for the sake of their careers.

On a related note...ever notice when someone seems to be out of character? Every now and then I'll think, George wouldn't do that or that's not Kramer.

For example, worrying about a chair for the security guard is a Kramer thing not a George thing.

Ron

What smart observations. You're really right about how George is fatter and less simpathetic now, more mean. Elaine's meaner, and you're right about Kramer in every way too. Good job. I agree that Kramer used to be more integrated into the show.

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His motive was not concern for the fellow man. He was trying to be a clever dick. Pure George.

Jonathan

I think they have always shown "irritation" toward each other. Remember a much older episode where Jerry was furious with Kramer for getting a massage (and he couldn't) and threw him off his sofa? Even the episode where they made the "pact"--Jerry callously told George he didn't really agree to anything--just shook George's hand because he offered it. In a few of the more recent episodes, the characters may be showing more extremes of this, but not really out of character. Even in extreme, I still find them very entertaining and thankfully not touchy-feely. alt showbiz gossip

That's the point. These things are not "out of character." I think it's more that these characters have more complex and not so predictable characters. stevebee

One such incident where I thought George was way out of character was during the "Pig Man" episode (I think the official title was "The Bris"), where he meekly walks out of the hospital administrator's office when she blows up at him for trying to get the hospital to pay for the damage done to his car by the suicide victim. I mean, George is so cheap there's no way he'd accept that! Especially since he was in the right in this case (maybe that's why... he's not used to being in the right!?).

Mike

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In article , [email] (Mike Doskas) wrote:

I disagree. The characters all have done both good and bad things; the show would not be so interesting or so deep if they were one-dimensional and always did the same thing. George is a pathetic lying loser, yet he does have good traits and attracts many girlfriends and even gets jobs - just like people we all know. Elaine is beautiful and witty, yet is also vain and self centered. Jerry is good natured, generous to his friends, neat and orderly, yet basically hates everyone. We learn to love these characters despite their huge flaws precisely because they have their good sides.