Susan dies

Don't know about you guys, but down in Australia we just got the episode where Susan dies. I thought it sucked - sad, shameless, unsympathetic and un-Seinfeld.

Did it cause much of a stir in the States?

In article , "Jonathon P. Moore" writes:

I thought it was GREAT! It caused a stir in the minds of the "media", and thier "poo poo" on the whole thing. But everyone I know saw it for what it was, black comedy. Oooops, I might have offended some brothers out there. WHOOPS!

-Keven

To this day, I'm still hoping that Susan didn't really die and that there's a sick, twisted Seinfeld sub-plot that will bring her back...or maybe she's got a twin sister.....Susan COME BACK, WE MISS YOU!

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In article , GARY KOEB writes:

Hahahaahaha, we could have Newman do his sinister "Cancer Man" bit, plotting how he is going to stick it to Jerry with her. Moohahaahahahaa

-Keven

[email] wrote:

Yes, I thought it was totally "Seinfeld." Do these characters ever care about anyone but themselves anyway?

In article , [email] (Dill) writes:

Exactly! I mean, that was core Seinfeld! George was really holding back his JOY at the underserved stroke of good fortune he had just recieved! HAHAHAHAHA He didn't LOVE her by NOoooooooo means! He desperatly wanted to cut loose from her its just he didn't have enough backbone to do it. And thats why we love the chubby little s.o.b.!!!!! I was shocked at first, but after it sunk in the next day I truly appreciated the irony of the whole thing!

-Keven

You're not really suggesting that that was a classic Seinfeld are you?

In article , "Jonathon P. Moore" writes:

If she isnt. I will

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You are truly hopeless. You just don't get it and you never will. Stop watching the show, please, so we don't have to keep hearing your incomprehension of what is patently obvious to the rest of us. BTW, did you know that they are fictional characters and that the writers have it within their power to make them quite inconsistent at times in terms of their behavior? Get a grip, buddy!

Actually, Seinfeld characters DO care about other people - George is worried when his mother's in hospital, Jerry buys his Dad a car for no reason other than love, Jerry tries to help the Paki restaurant owner ... do I need to go on?

George wasn't worried at all about his mom when she was in the hospital. If you missed that, you're a moron.

Got any comments about the other examples pal ... or can't you think?!

concerning the infamous susan=RIP episode, yes, it did cause a stir in the united states, as well. some people thought that seinfeld, well, not seinfeld personally, but the televisions show, seinfeld had gone too far in mocking death and about how serious it is...personally, i thought that it was kinda funny. i think that if you're going to take george costanza seriously in the first place, you have got some problems. no, not you personally, jonathon P. moore. that's all i have to say 'bout that. --risa sang-urai

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"Jonathon P. Moore" wrote:

i saw it as a mixed blessing. earlier in the season, jerry was on /entertainment tonight/ or /extra/ (can't remember which), and he said that one of the characters would not be coming back in the new season. personally, i don't care much for kramer (flame on), and was hoping it would be him. also, i would like to have watched george deal with the marriage. but then, it did leave us with another great george line: "the funeral's tomorrow, but i'm free after that." and it _was_ a really silly way to die. licking cheap adhesive on envelopes because george was, first, too tight to pay more, then he was too lazy to help with the invitations.

cheers.

...funny, irreverent, disrespectful, TOTALLY Seinfeld...

Actually it did...

Yes, Jon, everyone in U.S. AND Canada hated that episode.

"Everyone"? Yeah, and no one goes to that restaurant any more because it's too crowded.

GR

In article , mickey writes:

Speak for yourself, Mickey.

I'm in Canada and thought the episode was hilarious......the reactions of the group were so typical. had it been one the 4 had died it would have been different but Susan never did reallly belong in "their world".

That has to be one of THE BEST episodes! What other show would have the nerve to do someing like that. And i really think that only George would feel no remorse and actually use wis near-widower status to get a date! Just thinking about it makes me almost die laughing!

Sylvia Dorman ([email]) wrote:

In article , [email] wrote:

Aaah, who needed her? The character was a drip and not funny! --anne

In article , [email] says...

Actually, the character was HATED, every man's nightmare! People reported actually HAVING nightmares about her!

Yeah I agree.

I saw it for the first time to last night,and I felt it should of been more obviously funny or over-the-top so the audience didn't think about her death.Know what I mean??The best way to get a laugh from death is to be so crazy or wild that the situation doesn't hit home.I found myself thinking it was in bad taste,not like usual Seinfeld episodes.

Daniel Bolton wrote:

Well it seems that American's have a different kind of humor. (Not bashing any one from Australia, but it just seems that we have a different kind of humor then what you two are used too)

..and if you want my comment on the episode..I loved it..Very Seinfeld like. I couldn't wait for the one that followed it.

"Jonathon P. Moore" wrote:

It did in my house. My wife and I sat there thinking, "What's this crap? Why is everyone acting so weird?" It's been pretty much the same less-than-Sienfeld stuff this season.

Ever thought that Seinfeld's best aatribute is its realism? And heh, here's a tip for how that show should have been done: NOT kill her off (after having cemented her as a semi-regular character over months). Consider that as an option? Did many people walk around laughing with you as you yelled "Susan died, but no-one cared! That's soooo funny!"

What was more funny than that was that George tried to get a date with Marisa Tomei the day after she died...

yak

Yak wrote:

"the funeral's tomorrow, but i'm free after that."

"click, buzzz"

cheers.

I laughed. I laughed hard. Thanks for the memory, I am laughing now.

room

on

Actually, yes, they did. :) Many people did. Those who actually got the joke, that is.

And I don't think "Seinfeld" is very realistic. "The Bizzaro Jerry" "The Library" "The Red Dot" "The Limo" "The Trip" "The Bubble Boy" "The Opera" "The Junior Mint" "The Handicap Spot" "The Wig Master" "The Soup Nazi" "The Scofflaw" "The Bris"......yes, it mirrors real life almost exactly.

And Susan wasn't a funny character, either. The joke about she and George's love/hate relationship was wearing thin. It wouldn't have been as funny if she had just left George.

[email](Simonfeld) wrote:

Yeah, but George wanted that..and he never gets what he wants..Thats what I like about him..he's trying to get out of situations in his own way..

Its realism? God, what world do you live in?

Another Aussie here, I was pretty shocked with that episode. Sure George's wishes came true, but the end scene at the hospital was pretty sick. Definately not my favourite. Even the set up earlier with the choosing of the invitations was forced. I don't think susan would have given in to george so easily. Wasn't she a network exec. she must have had enough money to afford the perfect wedding. Wasn't it her fathers cabin that Kramer burnt to the ground? I'm sure he would want his daughter to have a cheap crappy wedding. Let's face it Susan could have done much better than George, but George would be pushed to find someone to match her. If Jerry had kept his end of the pact I'm sure George would have been happy to settle for Susan. We have heard all year in the Australian press that George would never marry, I expected some witty and clever way the issue would be resolved, frankly I was disappointed.

Regards,

Gavin Page [email] http://www.networx.com.au/home/gavin/savy.htm

where Susan dies. I thought it sucked - sad, shameless, unsympathetic and un-Seinfeld. Did it cause much of a stir in the States?

Why is everyone acting so weird?" It's been pretty much the same less-than-Sienfeld stuff this season.

The thing that made the Susan-dying thing so funny was the fact that *nobody cared*. You were expecting them to have some heart-rending scene, but George just goes, "So...let's get some coffee.". I was laughing for days after it aired (and still have it on tape).

here's a tip for how that show should have been done: NOT kill her off (after having cemented her as a semi-regular character over months). Consider that as an option? Did many people walk around laughing with you as you yelled "Susan died, but no-one cared! That's soooo funny!"

Its realism? God, what world do you live in?

So what actually happened to Susan ? I'm afraid I missed the end of that season. Did the real actress pass away?

Thanks,

Z.

The actress (Heidi Swedberg) didn't die but Susan did. She died from toxic poisoning from licking the glue on 200 cheap wedding invitations that George made her buy.

Hi there!

Re: Your question about Susan dying.She died from the glue on the envelopes of the wedding invitations.Apparently,George wanted to save money on the wedding and convinced Susan to buy these old wedding invitations.It turns out,the glue on the envelope was a toxic substance,thus,resulting in Susan's death.

Keep [address]!

I was dissapointed in this episode also. I never wanted him to marry Susan; however, part of the appeal of this show is that the characters are basically good - yet screwed up people. Susan's death was handled so callously that I had to put this episode in the back of my mind so that I could like the characters again. I think they could have handled her death & funeral in a much more sympatetic, yet funny manner. After all, hasn't everyone gone to a funeral where something totally hysterical has happened. If the writers could pull off the "masturbation episode" - there's no doubt that this funeral thing could have been better written.

LA

Gavin Page wrote in article ...

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	I could not disagree more.  I thought the Susan Dies episode was
brilliant - and was stunned that the USA Today "critic" (hey, I read
it online, I don't buy it! :)) called it "cruel" and "a low point.
	Seinfeld the show is all about showing us sides of ourselves we
haven't noticed, or choose to ignore.  So I will ask this (please say
it isn't just me): hasn't each of us been at least one relationship,
love or otherwise, that was *so* negative, that we might have felt
relief had the person died?  Relief, perhaps even joy - but definitely
not sadness.  Back me up guys!  I have been there; I suspect we all
have.  That's the whole point: we're *supposed* to feel sad, but
sometimes we don't.  A classic Seinfeld-ism -- and a classic episode,
IMHO.
	Seinfeld's writers and producers showed great nerve in airing an
episode like that, knowing they'd get this kind of controversy.  And
damn, it sure was funny.
	Notice, also, that George is being punished over...and over...and over
for Susan's death.  So there's a morality tale here too.  The Curse of
Susan never dies.

"The Austins" wrote:

The whole Susan dies episode wasn't funny to me at all. Basically, the characters on this show are decent yet screwed up shallow people. But to take the shallow part of them down so low as to not have them care at all when Susan dies went a bit too far. I think it was done to create controversy and keep the sparks going heading into the next season. To me...it would have been much funnier to have George and Susan marry, and then have her catch George cheating on her while on their honeymoon, and have her file for divorce. This would have opened up a whole range of possiblities for future episodes with George dealing with having an ex-wife hell bent on making him pay for what he did, and yet still keeps George single...which is one of the parts of the show that has worked so well, having all the principal characters be single.

In article , mtohio wrote:

In article , [email] wrote:

Get better at writing

Mark, "get" should be avoided except in its strict meaning (to acquire), slang usages ("get bent"), and certain very limited idioms ("Fred got drunk last night").

Try "Improve your writing".

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There's always a critic !me wrote:

Hi, I'm from Norway.

I'd just like to thank ya all (and particularly the first person who posted this) for the information... The episode hasn't been aired here yet.

What's wrong with "About Susan (Spoiler)" as a subject line?

P.

	My apologies, Peter (original poster here).  That episode aired here
about 7 months ago (summer 1996), so I thought it was safe.  Are you
sure it hasn't aired and you just missed it?...Also, there have been
lots of other Susan Dies headers in this group.  Anyway, didn't mean
to spoil your fun.
	Tell ya what, post the skiing and ice fishing results and spoil the
ESPN reruns for us....:)

"Petter Sevaldsen" wrote:

me wrote in article ...

Hello me,

(The name's Petter)

Seinfeld was on yesterday and Susan was there, so I guess it's fair to say that I probably haven't missed it - do you really think I'd allow muself to miss an episode of the Show?

Aired yesterday was the "condom in George's car/wigmaster/ponytail"-ep, by the way.

And...

...I'm not really sure I'd be able to ignore a "Susan (Spoiler)"-post, I'm weak... ...but others may!

On Wed, 08 Jan 1997 16:31:26 GMT, [email] (Mark Wenning) wrote:

come on after tons of great episode why just blame them now for one episode?

[email] (Tony Molina) wrote:

In one episode George was thinking of sending Susan on a trip somewhere and hoping that the plane would crash.

	The next day I heard a portion of a talk radio show, and
	the DJ was doing a running commentary on how they shouldn't
	have trivialized death the way they did.  I heard a caller
	agree with him.  I, too, thought it was was un-Seinfeld-like.

	'Course it was also a quick way to rid themselves of a
	recurring character.  But Jerry's dumping of his fiancee
	took all of what, 15 seconds and was ever so convenient.
	So who knows?

Maybe they just wanted to pay back JCJC5525 or whatever his name was for all of those pathetic "Susan is a goddess and the show revolves around her" postings....

In article , [email] (Tony Molina) writes:

actually, she was carried away in a twister..

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In article , [email] (Tony Molina) writes:

ummm I would say something, but I dont fight with children.

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In article , [email] (Tony Molina) writes:

to be

then you must be old enough to be my daddy... need your cane..??

p.s. ever heard of a kill file.. if you dont like it.. don't bother reading it...simple enough even for you I presume.. Or if you wish, I will type slower so you can understand.

anyone think I should leave this NewsGroup...???

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Quoth [email]:

No, but that signature could stand to be downsized. :)

YES, PLEASE LEAVE THIS GROUP. WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??

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Not me

In article , [email] (Ben B) writes:

thank you sweetie :-)

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Welcome :)