Susan's Dead!

So....that's who the tabloid's were talking it about dying. I was curious. I personally did'nt like the way it was handled. To me, it was'nt that funny.

Michelle

I thought it was pretty damn tasteless... even though I didn't like her.

I think this pretty much tells you what the writers of the show thought of this character.

nancie

In article , Phil Nettles wrote:

I personally did'nt like the way it was handled. To me, it was'nt that funny.

I thought it was pretty damn tasteless... even though I didn't like her.

I agree;  bottom line:  it just wasn't funny.  Black comedy has worked
before on this show ( e.g.:  Network exec joins Greenpeace and drowns; or
Kramer singing:  "'Cause the murderer struck again"), but those were
peripheral characters.   Susan was too significant (under Newman; but
bigger than Uncle Leo) to just "off" like that.  We've all invested lots
of viewing time into getting to know her and about the relationship,
whether we liked her or not.  George is weak, a cheapskate, petty and the
worst role model imaginable, but he's not believeable crossing over into
evil.  Watching the cast not knowing what to say upon hearing her fate
made me see an image of the writers sitting around not knowing how to
handle the subject, proceeding tentatively, and ultimately not pulling it
off.  It seemed like all concerned were all too willing to let everyone
step a little (or more than a little) out of character to "sell" the
indestructability of Jerry and George's "pact", and implicitly, the
indestructability of the four main characters as a single entity.  There's
never been the slightest problem with conveying this before, so why force
it now?   ....Or maybe I'm analyzing this way too much, and the whole
thing is just a parody of characters dying on  season-ending episodes....

Three cheers to the Seinfeld cast and crew for pushing comedy to a new level.

Didn't you just love it when George flipped the wedding invitation book open to the end as soon as he heard that they were listed by price, the most expensive first. I was rolling on the floor.

So is George -- or Susan's family -- going to sue the manufacturer of the invitations? Kramer knows a lawyer they could use.

By the way, the actor playing the Cochran-like lawyer looks different with glasses and mustache. I didn't recognize him as Greg Morris' son. GM was Barney on the 1st "Mission: Impossible," and his son appeared on the 2nd "Mission: Impossible."

GR

Well, my vote on the season finale is, it sucked. Yeah, yeah, I know it's just a TV show. It's not going to change my life, but it WAS tasteless. If you don't buy the Seinfeld characters as real (but wacky) characters, what's the point of watching it? The writers copped out and turned the Death of Susan into a cartoon, thereby diminishing the funiness of Jerry, et al. Tsk, tsk.

I agree, I don't think they should have killed off lilly, I mean susan. I didn't find george calling marisa tomei on the day of the funeral to be that funny or believable considering George feels guilty about everything.

On 17 May 1996 15:23:26 GMT, "Piotr S. Jawien" wrote:

George HATED her. He was just too much a sorry wimp to break up with her. I would have been suprised had he broken down. I laughed. I guess I'm as sick as the writers.

Ohh! Please lighten up!! Let's not get all PC here. This is not a PC group. That was true George! I loved it.

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No you're not. You're one of the few people here that got that point. George hated her. Always did. We never find out why. (I didn't like her much either) I thought it was black humor at it's best. A very British ending to the marriage storyline.

The capper has to be the call to Marisa Tomei, however. He tells her that the funeral is tomorrow, but his weekends' open. Larry David's final message is that George is deeply disturbed, if not insane.

It would be an interesting twist if we someday find out that George knew about those envelopes. I can see it now: Jerry visits George, looks in his closet(You know how Jerry is) and finds an old newspaper article, describing a similiar circumstance to Susans' death....

We could call it....

The SEINFELD Mysteries!

Jeff

Michelle Shabazz wrote:

I agree with your comments ! This show has been very funny and clever in the past. IMO George was the funniest character on the show until las night. In the season ending ep, his character really becomes pathetic and pretty much a loser. I am saddened by what people find funny these days. Why not have Susan live but break off the marriage because she is angry at him for buying the cheap invitations.

As if the show wasn't offensive enough, they had to add the little segment at the end (while the credits were rolling) of George calling up Marisa for a date to or after (I am not sure which one) the funeral.

This show is an insult to its viewers.

I don't understand your problem with George's character. He has always been pathetic and pretty much a loser!

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Ms> From: Michelle Shabazz Ms> Subject: Susan's Dead! Ms> Ms> So....that's who the tabloid's were talking it about dying. I was Ms> curious. I pe rsonally did'nt like Ms> the way it was handled. To me, it was'nt that funny. Ms> Ms> Michelle

Not only not funny, I will miss her !!

... "I don't know how you guys walk around with those things!" ..Elaine ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12

I thought that show was pretty tasteless too. Even if George didn't really want to get married, you think he would have shed a tear for Susan. What a terrible ending!

In article , wrote:

Excellent ending!! We got the unexpected result rather than the predictable one.. unlike the ending to Friends... (which hasn't been the same since about midway through the first season).

Yeah, that's the spirit! The unexpected! The UNPREDICTABLE! We thought they'd zig, and they zagged! How satisfying! How intruiging!

But hey! Why stop there? Let's think of a surprise ending for NEXT SEASON! Let's see...how about after years of living in denial, Jerry discovers the truth...he IS gay! He could be in bed next to Newman and he'd say, "I knew there wasn't anything wrong with it...but I didn't know it was so RIGHT!" Or perhaps Kramer could be hit by a subway train and become a paraplegic...can't you see him, making Jerry's door fly open by getting a running start zipping his wheelchair down the hallway? Oh...hey how about this...all four of them find their true loves...and on their quadruple wedding day, A TERRORIST BOMB EXPLODES AND KILLS EVERYONE...EXCEPT THEM! And they walk away from the fiery, smoky death scene and say, "You win some, you lose some!"

What's that? That's not funny? The characters wouldn't do that? It's sick and morbid? You wanted Jerry Seinfeld, not Paddy Chayefsky?

You silly hypersensitive people! The rules have changed! Even if a teleplay is well-written and funny, it's not worth it if you can guess the ending! Better to have a rushed-to-screen, half-baked quasi-funny script than a PREDICTABLE one!

Yessiree Bob, UNPREDICTABILITY! It's what made "Twin Peaks" the big hit it's been for years!

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But you've forgotten George!! As it turns out George is really Jerry's stepbrother. You see Jerry's dad had a brief liaison with George's mother many years ago, and George was the result. This comes out toward the end of next season, shortly after Elaine marries Peterman.

-> I thought that show was pretty tasteless too. Even -> if George didn't really want to get married, you think -> he would have shed a tear for Susan. What a terrible -> ending!

Well George was hoping for a plane crash...a little more ironic death this way...

In article , [email] (PAUL CHESTERTON) wrote:

Speaking of which, *that* line should have been cut before airing. Very bad timing, and in very poor taste, IMHO. They could show a little sensitivity, at least toward people grieving in the "real world."

Michelle

[email] wrote:

Total agreement. All four characters gave the impression of a total lack of humanity. None of the "solutions" to get out of the weding offered to George by his buddies was a radical as killing the poor girl off. Not one of them shed a tear. Was Elains suppressing a giggle? The phone call by George over the closing credits was as low as you can get. Why not continue to shock us with original, outrageous comedy...instead of sickness?

In article , [email] writes:

I can see a real life person ( George) would hate his wife or fiancee, because she is a NBC executive, more education, makes more money than him. What had George accomplish in life, shallow, no compassionate, nit picking just a real looser. If we look around we do see a lot of Georges around. Just can't figure out what Susan see in George.

George did not hate Susan. I have a better post on this topic, but suffice it say he was afraid of commitment, not Susan. He broke up Susan (or she broke up with him, often because he had deliberately provoked it) three times and each time he wanted her back. It's obvious to any thinking person (which, of course, is an almost extinct species in the United States) that it was commitment that George hated.

"Kill all the Prussians and we'll have peace." A Saxon-German Soldier, 1914