John Cheever et al

S04E08 The Cheever LettersliveOct 28, 1992, 11:29 PM ET12 hours later13 posts by 12 posters
Question

Fans discuss John Cheever's identity and ask for clarification on episode details, including references to Twin Peaks actors and a George joke that was unclear due to technical issues.

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David E Lightner

Could someone tell us who John Cheever was? Add another $429 to Jerry's total. It's really starting to add up. It was nice seeing some Twin Peaks actors on Seinfeld. Does anyone see any subtext going on there?

Okay. Ready to go. Ready. Yep. Yep. Okay. Here we go. Alright....

Tycerium [email]
Robin L. GibsonDavid E Lightner

In a previous article, [email] (David E Lightner) says:

Yeah! I wanna know, too!

I thought this episode was the best of the new season so far! Someone please tell me this: what did George say initially about Johnny Carson? My cable carrier/satellite or something blanked out on that one line! Then George did thej "HA!" thing.

Robin "Toiling away in virtual anonymity" Gibson

Robin L. Gibson [email] Coastal Systems Station Panama City, FL 32407-5000
Roy EassaRobin L. Gibson

[email] (Robin L. Gibson) writes:

The entire network feed must've flaked out there, because it happened here in Boston as well! That whole comment was obliterated.

M19249Roy Eassa

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says:

Maybe I've seen too much Ross Perot lately but I thought it was a censor thing. Perhaps word got to Carson what was to be said and he wasn't pleased? The picture here in DC just got fuzzy on the mouth/face and the audio was garbled. Do any of our intrepid frame-by-frame VCR folks want to take a look? -DW my $.02 which would cost you .25 in NYC since things are sooooo expensive up there ;) "standard disclaimer"

Mark ShneyderRobin L. Gibson

We had the same problem in our area with our NBC affiliate. I guess it was a "network difficulty" when the Johny Carson line was used :-)

-Mark

Diane MacMartinMark Shneyder

I don't think our Canadian signal had that difficulty. Is all this talk about the line where George said "weird, wild, wonderful" (or whatever it is that Johnny Carson would say)? That was neither particularly funny, nor controversial, so maybe there's something else we didn't get at all?

Diane MacMartin Bell-Northern Research, Ltd Ottawa, Canada [email] Any opinions are my own and do not represent BNR. =========>> If this is printed on paper, please recycle it <<==========
Gregory SrokaDiane MacMartin

Ah ha! So the Carson-Castro connection does not extend beyond the U.S. borders. I do not recall George using the triple W (as it's known to conspiracy insiders). Thank you for revealing what most of us Americans were deprived of hearing.

One theory: the triple W is the international signal that Johnny is out of Cuban cigars. It was felt that using the secret signal while actually mentioning Cuban cigars (and on Johnny's network) would draw too much attention to the 'connection' and possibly tip off the feds. Therefore Johnny had the the NBC satellite feed jammed throughout the US and Cuba (Fidel is a big Kramer fan) during the triple W (and a couple other times, to make it look like local cable problems).

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Laura H. WhiteDavid E Lightner

John Cheever was an American writer of novels and short stories depicting mostly upper-middle class suburban northeastern types. He died several years ago, leaving behind journals revealing lots of homosex inclinations and experiences.

Great episode!

Laura W.

Jeffrey H KahnLaura H. White

I played back the tape a few times to try and figure out what Jerry said to make George squirt the ketchup (so to speak) but I couldn't figure it out. I'm not sure he was saying anything really, but I thought I'd check. I remember an episode last season where Elaine would mutter something under her breath and Jerry would say "what did you say?" and she'd say "oh, nothing", but if you played back the tape and listened carefully, she sayed things that the censors would not be happy with. I thought maybe a similar thing was going on last night, but it didn't seem like it.

Jef.

David C ValenzuelaJeffrey H Kahn

In article , [email] (Jeffrey H Kahn) writes...

	I have the episode on tape and I watched that
	sequence over and over again with the volume really loud and
	couldnt figure any of the words out. I think it was just
	mumbling nonsense. Was anyone else able to make something out?

DAVE

Mike MurphyDavid C Valenzuela

[trying to figure out what Jerry mumbled to Geroge at the diner]

I thought the whole point was that you WEREN'T supposed to hear what Jerry said. That it was so dirty that only George could hear it, and not the sensitive ears of the viewing public. :) And judging by the ketchup reaction (one of the best moments of the show), it was pretty dirty!

M. "You are soooooooooooo good-lookin'."

David C ValenzuelaDavid E Lightner

In article , [email] (David E Lightner) writes...

	I was a 'Twin Peaks' fan for the short time it was on, and watched
	it every week. For some reason i don't know which actors you are
	talking about. I caught the similarity on the episodes when they
	were in California, but since then I have missed some of the
	obscure references to TP. Who was a fan of TP and sees more
	references than just the ones from California? I would be interested
	in hearing them...
					DAVE
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Albert R. WooDavid E Lightner
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Yep, it almost seemed like a reunion of the Hayward Supper Club! :-)

'Seinfeld' sure gets some familiar guest stars. Let's see, in this season alone we've had guest appearances from Laura Palmer's mother, Donna Hayward's father, Frank Fontana's father and Joel Fleischman's ex-girlfiend...

I thought the most hilarious moment of this episode was George and that ketchup bottle...

--Albert Woo