DOES ANYONE ELSE REALIZE THIS ABOUT SEINFELD?

Is Seinfeld the only sitcom in history that DOES NOT have a serious moment?I have watched religiuosly since 1990 and not one serious moment! I know Married with Children had a few! Anyone???

Al Y.

I think that's a really good point. I haven't seen all the seasons but sincere seriousness is not something frequently noticeable in the ones I have. You certainly don't get the occasionally over-wrought sermonising of Frazier.

There are a few bits though that *might* just qualify - mainly when the friends fall out - I'll leave it up for debate. As Devil's Advocate I'd suggest possibly bits of the Keys (Kramer leaving NY after a fall-out with Jerry), The Mango (Jerry and Elaine falling out over faked orgasms), at - a real push - the one (can't remember the name) where Kramer stops speaking to Jerry and Elaine because they criticised his girlfriend. ("I'm surprised nobody's killed her yet."??)

I'd also suggest the start of The Opposite with George's seaside soul-searching if it was possible to ever take George seriously doing anything.

Lomez wrote in message ...

I don't think those moments were ment to be seriously sentimental... they were just Seinfeld's sarcastic look at the world... I think they were meant to be seen as fake sentimentality and seriousness, because in the end, none of it mattered.

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I never heard a NBC promo that started, "....and tonight on a Very Special Seinfeld...."

I believe the philosphy was something like "No hugging, no learning, no growing." (I'm sure someone in the group has the exact quote.)

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Carol Leifer said that was the lesson she learned from writing on Seinfeld. She tried to apply it to her own sitcom, Enough Already (which bombed).

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The final scene in "The Keys", where George finally gets his sandwich and can't determine whether it's flavored with dill or tarragon, when Jerry asks Kramer what he's going to do and Kramer responds with something like, "I'm doing what I do. The way I've always done it, and the way I'll always do it." That was a pretty non-comedic ending. And I think it was the final episode of Season 3, which gave everyone even more time to think about it.

Kramer gets pissed at Jerry sometimes, like in "The Understudy" when he totally goes off on Jerry and Gennice. He launches into his "*My* Broadway is the Broadway of Merman and Fontaine..." bit, and seems to mean it.

He seemed to take his rehab seriously at the end of "The Summer of George".

That was at the end of the Keys? Wow, I feel lost...didn't Kramer leave in The Keys, and Jerry and Elaine see him on an episode of Murphy Brown...the ending you are describing sounds to me like "The Trip, Part two"...when Kramer, who is supposed to be in L.A., comes into the apartment in N.Y. I believe then the lines are spoken, Jerry gives Kramer back his spare keys, we share a sobering scene, and then laughter moments later as Kramer comes in with his (huge) spare set of keys and tosses them (hitting many things along the way) to Jerry...

You're right.

I tend to look at "The Keys" and the two parter, "The Trip", as one long episode.

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After Elaine's friend's birthday party in The Stakeout, Elaine and Jerry were in a cab and Elaine commented on how she dissproved of Jerry's behavior at the party. That was a serious moment, it ended with Elaine saying, "So?, so nothing Jerry, nothing!" or something to that affect.

Steve Martin wrote in message ...

Ahhh... good point. It would make sense that if there were ANY serious moments in the show's run that they would have come in an early episode.

I would actually also point to later on in "The Stakeout" when Jerry first realizes that Elaine does in fact know about the other woman, and then later when they confront each other about it at the end of the gathering at Jerry's: ("Okay, do you want to talk about this now?...")

--JKB

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There is a serious moment in "The Deal" when Elaine breaks up the this ,that and the other. It doesn't last very long but it's there.

Mo

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This is why it's one of the (if not the) best sitcome ever! Roseanne (I know I spelled that wrong) was IMHO hilarious the first season or so...then it turned into some dark semi-comedic thing. If it's going to be funny, make it funny through and through and don't try to teach a lesson (unless the lesson is "laugh"). Morals can be conveyed through another type of show.

     A paradox here. It's true that there are none of the warm & fuzzy or
tear-at-the-heartstrings kinds of moments that every show from Home Improvement
to Murphy Brown occasionally indulged in, especially at season finale or series
finale time.
     But the series as a whole, actually had a more serious underlying theme
than any of these shows. Far from being a show about nothing, it was a sharp
and bitter satirical attack on the values (or lack thereof) of the entire North
American baby-boomer generation. It was the toughest, most uncompromising and
most sustained satire of any show ever to appear on American television. (Don't
try to tell me about Saturday Night Live, which hasn't put three good seasons
in a row together since 1979.) Jerry held a mirror up to us even as he made us
laugh.

Bob Smith, afternoons WXXI-AM 1370, Rochester NY

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The end of "The Red Dot" (where the guy is now sober, has a new girlfriend, and is friends with Jerry again) seemed curiously upbeat for Larry David.