barber of seville

S05E08 The BarberliveNov 11, 1993, 10:06 PM ET10 hours later37 posts by 27 posters
Question

Viewers discuss the episode's use of Barber of Seville music and notice the plot mirrors the opera's structure, with praise for the smart writing and physical comedy.

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GUITERAS

I noticed the background music tonight was from Roscinni's (sp?) _Barber of Seville_. Did anyone pick up on any references to the opera in the show?

GUITERASGUITERAS
GUITERAS ([email]) wrote: : I noticed the background music tonight was from Roscinni's (sp?) _Barber of : Seville_. Did anyone pick up on any references to the opera in the show? Just to avoid massive flaming - I mean literary references. I did actually pick up on the fact that Italian barbers were somewhat prominently featured =)
MarcusGUITERAS

The plot of last night's episode *definitely* mimicked that of the Barber of Seville. Jerry would be the woman, the young barber her love, and the old barber the bad guy they wanted to get rid of. THis

was a very well thought out writing job. Did anyone notice the situation comedy was very like that done in pre-20th century stuff? The hiding in the closets and listening in while the other person is in the room-- classic. Altogether a very funny, smart episode.

9073hammesmMarcus

Well, what you consider "classic" I consider a regression into the kind of situation "comedy" perfected in Three's Company. Anytime I see a character run into a closet I cringe.

I've been disappointed in Seinfeld this season. It's become too, I don't know, manic or something, like it's going for the obvious laugh based on the lowest common denominator; I miss the sublety of previous seasons.

Jerry's haircut was hilarious, but with the ensuing mayhem with the barbers, I half expected to see Ricky Ricardo enter saying, "Jerry, you got some 'splaining to do!"

Mary H.

TMCKIN31GUITERAS

In article , [email] (GUITERAS) says:

I don't mean to be nit-picky, but the composer's name is spelled *Rossini*. (Please, no flames. I am a classical Opera singer, and am allowed to be neorotic!) Just my 2 scents! 8-) -ELENA M

Marc A DashevskyTMCKIN31

In article writes:

I don't mean to be nit-picky, but the word is spelled *neurotic*. (Please, no flames. I am in a psychiatric hospital and am allowed to be cycautic. Just my too sense! ;-)

Marc

Craig StelterMarc A Dashevsky

I don't mean to be nit-picky, but the word is spelled *psychotic*. (Please, no flames. I am an engineer and am allowed to be a complete nird. Just my to sends! :-)

Molly DeichCraig Stelter

I don't .... (blah blah) .....*nerd* ..... (blah blah). I am a teacher and am allowed to be unfailingly currect. Just my tout Seines. :+]

Bran MuffinMolly Deich

In mld@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_DOMAIN_FILE (Molly Deich) writes:

I don't .... (bluh bluh) .....*bluh*.....(bluh bluh). I am a constant babbler and am allowed to babble onwerd. Just my tooth sinus. :-P~~

____ I used to think the brain was the most fascinating part of the human body. But then I realized, well, look whats telling me that. -- Emo Phillips
Tracy ThiessenMolly Deich

Ahhhh, I don't mean to be nit-picky-blah-blah, but I am an editor and the proper speeling of that word is *current*. Just my tune sets. ;-)

blackwoodsMolly Deich

Enuf! Enuf, alreddy. my too sense.

Steven Blackwood Marquette Univerity EMail: [email]
TMCKIN31blackwoods

In article , [email] says:

WOW!!! What a lot of responses... Just my new fence -ELENA M
jwlciTMCKIN31

I saw the music more as a reference to the cartoon rather than the real opera. It was, after all, the small portion of the opera that also appears in the cartoon. Also, I have an easier time picturing the gang crowded in front of the TV watching Bugs than digging their tuxedos out of the closet ( of course, George's wouldn't fit and Kramer wouldn't wear one) and going to an opera. OK. But they'd like the 'toon more. Of course

Rob Shearman Jr.jwlci

wrote:

     Why is that so?  They've done an episode about going to an opera, but
     cartoons usually only pop up as little details.

-Me

Robert M. Shearman, Jr. University of Maryland, College Park, Maryland E-Mail: [email] "WILL WORK FOR CHOCOLATE"
CRGABELjwlci

In article [email] writes:

Plus, don't forget "The Opera". Elaine says "We're going to miss the overture." So Jerry starts singing the theme to "Looney Toons" (Overture... curtains, lights... this is it.... we'll hit the heights...etc) Then Elaine says "I can't believe that all your knowledge of opera comes from Bugs Bunny Cartoons"

Would make sense that they were referencing the cartoon rather than the real opera, doesn't it?

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MECBHCRGABEL

In article , [email] says:

Overture; curtain, lights! This is it: the night of nights! No more rehearsing and learning of parts; we know every part by heart! Overture; curtain, lights! This is it, we'll hit the heights! And oh, what heights we'll hit--on with the show--this is it!

Sorry; just wanted to see if I could remember that happy tune--did Jerry sing the entire song or just the first few words?

--Mel C.
CRGABELMECBH

In article writes:

He sang the second of the two verses you posted above. Plus on the "and oh what heights..." he marched on the spot, and did a little fanfare with his arms on the last bit. ie. "On <arms> with the show <arms> this is it <arms>!" It was pretty funny. I believe he was mocking what the cartoon characters used to do on the old intro to Looney Toons.

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Adam J. Van BreenMolly Deich

In article ,

..._correct_... I have OCD and am allowed to nyt-pyck. Just my two sins.

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Diane Palme x2617Adam J. Van Breen
:

Hey! [dropping stitches] ... it's *knit-pick* ... [purl two]. I am a designer and I'm allowed to blue-lyne things. Tolerances w/in +/- 0.002.

D.
Diane Palme, EIT You really think that A-B would Department Engineer, Central Inspection accept my opinions as their own? Allen-Bradley Co. (414) 382-2617 <sheesh!> _ /\ [email]
Scott NannsTMCKIN31

I don't care what Jerry's hair looks like, I'd love him any way I could get him. PS. This is from Scott's wife ..not Scott..... I like reading all your comments. later, LORI

Erik MaiershoferGUITERAS

I am surprised as well that no one picked up on the plot reference to the Barber of Seville either [save for maybe two posts]...

Didn't the plot of that opera involve a older man whose younger wife was cheating on him and everyone knew execept for him? Thus the double reference [opera plot, Italian barbers]....I thought it was very clever, especially if you are familiar with the opera [although I am not very familiar with it, and stand open to any corrective interpretation]......

Erik Maiershofer [email]
Diane Palme x2617Gretchen E Schmidt
:

You know ... I was thinking the *same thing*! Eerie, isn't it?

D.
Diane Palme, EIT You really think that A-B would Department Engineer, Central Inspection accept my opinions as their own? Allen-Bradley Co. (414) 382-2617 <sheesh!> _ /\ [email]
CRGABELGretchen E Schmidt

In article [email] (Gretchen E Schmidt) writes:

I thought he looked like Jimmy Olsen. I think it would've made for an interesting "Superman" reference if they had mentioned that on the show... "gee, Clark, where'd you come from? You just missed Superman..."

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Quenneville CharlesErik Maiershofer

And i'm surprise people find that clever.. I mean it's obvious, you have a story about barbers.. eh let's make it like the barber of Seville, let's get two stereotypical italians with thick accents and it writes itself.. The problem is that they didn't do anything else with it, they just changed the name of the characters and that was it, nothing added to the story. I suppose people saw it as clever or intelligent because they copied off an opera instead of a musical or something. (and yes i am a Seinfeld fan, that doesn't mean i can't make comments if i happen to dislike a show). change t

"Toutes les fautes d'ortographe sont intentionnelles" Charles Quenneville
Mr. NoiseQuenneville Charles

In article , Quenneville Charles wrote:

Aye, guv', a poor commoner like me ain't never had no culture like such a learned man as you! <big sarcastic smirk>

GMAFB! It was funny precisely *because* it was so overblown. I suppose next you're going to complain about "Rabbit of Seville", eh?

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Karen A. BerlinGUITERAS

In a previous article, [email] (Erik Maiershofer) says:

I dunno, the version I'm familiar with involves a rabbit who gives a shave and a haircut to a hunter who talks funny. But then some people may say I watch too many cartoons... :-) I'm sorry, but I can't hear 'Barber of Seville' music without getting an image of Bugs Bunny's fingers massaging Elmers Fudd's scalp. Is it just me?

Anyhow, I liked the episode. Jerry's haircut slayed me! I thought he looked like Greg Brady.

--Karen

Karen A. Berlin e-mail:[email] Youngstown State University School of Education home: 6300 Chelsea Court #1702 Boardman, Ohio 44512
Roy EassaKaren A. Berlin

[email] (Karen A. Berlin) writes:

"Kill the wabbit, kill the wabbit!"

Brian D. MooreRoy Eassa

Hey, that's Wagner, pal. Say, that get's me thinking... a Seinfeld 18-hour marathon based on the "Ring" cycle. I can hear Kramer now: "I went to Asgard last night, and there was this guy with a PATCH on his eye..." However, I don't think Elaine is Brunhilde material...

Roy EassaBrian D. Moore

[email] (Brian D. Moore) writes:

Oops. I guess my total ignorance of opera is showing. Well, I do remember one quote corretly: "Let me shave your crop...".

Wes SimondsRoy Eassa

There... you're nice and clean... although your face... looks -- like it -- had just -- gone through -- a -- ma--chine...

Wes "Can't you see that I'm much sweeter" Simonds

CRGABELRoy Eassa

In article [email] (Roy Eassa) writes:

Sorry! Wrong opera, there dude...

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Mr. NoiseKaren A. Berlin

In article , Karen A. Berlin wrote:

'How about a nice close shave, teach your whiskers to behave?' <giggle> I just acquired the soundtrack to that on CD a few weeks ago, played it on my radio show last week. :-) Even better than the Wagner episode!

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CRGABELKaren A. Berlin

In article [email] (Karen A. Berlin) writes:

It's not just you... I get that exact same image every time I hear "Barber of Seville" music as well. In fact right now, I can't get that image out of my head!! Now I need to see that cartoon again. It's one of my all time faves, along with the one where Bugs is tormenting the opera singer doing "Figaro" (and vice versa).

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tsolisGUITERAS

I hadn't laughed so hard in quite a few episodes. Kramer's shoe-horn hands gestures had me rolling on the floor. As did the bachelor auction... when he fell of the runway. = )

PlayerGUITERAS

-=> On 12-01-93, Mel C. wrote: <=-

[previous quoting deleted]

                  ^^^^^^^^

_nursing_ of parts...

If I'm the umpteenth person to correct this, PLEASE forgive me!

Well, anyway...

Kevin ([email])

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