Monks Owner....He Supposed To Be Gay ?

S04E17 The OutingretroFeb 24, 2006, 11:18 AM ET13 years later24 posts by 9 posters
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Incubus

When Jerry and George are in Monks arguing at the table about the nyu reporter thinking that they are gay, and Jerry says to George to keep his voice down and George yells back "No, I will not keep my voice down", the owner comes over and tells them to keep quiet. Then he turne his head and that the ear ring in his ear, I thought it was something to just make you think, oh yeah, the stereotype about the ear ring in the left ear means you're gay.

But tonight I was watching the episode where Susan has just died, and Jerry is at Monks testing which cover story would get girls to go for him. At the table there are 3 women and the same owner from scene with the ear ring.

So he's meant to be gay right ?

KarenCannoliIncubus

"Incubus" wrote in message news:43ff326e$0$12178$[email]...

I never got that impression.

Lee GarrisonKarenCannoli

Well, he did want to turn George into is his own personal hand puppet! Not that there's anything wrong with that.

LG

"Poppies a little sloppy."...Jerry

Chester WashingtonLee Garrison

[email] (Lee Garrison) wrote in news:[email]:

First of all, I don't think he's the owner. More like manager or head cook or something. Monk's appears to be a solid enough operation for the owner not to have to be there (unlike Babu Bhatt's culinary service ventures). If anyone ever seen there IS the owner, it's the cashier lady, and I actually doubt that as well.

Second, who the fuck cares if he's gay or not! What is the problem with you people? Along with those two Puerto-Rican thugs (who FWIW are gay, rather obviously, but sure can kick some ass) he is one of my favorite semi-regulars. I love the one where he just walks up to the table and the scene fades (or cuts or something).

I know several people straight as a fucking ruler who have earrings in one or another ear.

And how do you make a connection (unless I am misreading the inclusion of the apparently obligatory - in this group - show quote) between making someone a "personal hand puppet" and homosexuality?

cosmoIncubus

I love that character when he tell the "boys", "if they can't keep thier voices down", i always crack up laughing the way he turns his head to george after george just said no one can make him keep his voice down it is one of my favorite scenes HILARIOUS WHO FRIGGIN CARES IF HE IS GAY "Incubus" wrote in message news:440073b2$0$12185$[email]...

Incubuscosmo

Aggghhh.......the point I was trying to make is whether they intended that character to be gay.

It makes no difference to my life either way.

I was just wondering if after all these years of watching the show, this was or wasn't a subtle point that I had missed.

For fucks sake...my Father's gay.

KarenCannoliIncubus

"Incubus" wrote in message news:44008c70$0$12220$[email]...

Don't worry inky, that was the message I got, people on the net are very touchy these days. Have a good one :)

IncubusKarenCannoli

"KarenCannoli" wrote in message news:[email]...

this

I saw that you and Lee knew what I was on about.

But I mean......Jesus.

Chester WashingtonIncubus

"Incubus" wrote in news:4400a56f$0$12214$[email] .au:

"Subtle point", "touchy", only 3 "get it"... What a bunch of hypocritical shit, ckHehrennn a.o.

And, OP, If you really didn't care, you would not have consciously become aware of the earring, started wondering, and posted the question. Yes, that's how it works.

And I for one, am not AT ALL a very PC person. Just honest. I've known many straight, gay, black, purple etc people and I hate most of them equally. Some I adore. To my own surprise, once after knowing someone for about 6 months, the subject of race came up (we worked for a reverse-racist). He said, "What do you think I am, a Caucasian Swede?" or something, I looked at him and realized he was black. Somewhat embarrassed, I mumbled "I never thought about it, frankly..."

Think what you want, it's a true story. But maybe I'm just schizophrenic or something.

Chester WashingtonChester Washington

megalomaniac wrote in news:[email]:

I was joking, although I >AM< a suicidal clinically depressed person. But that's not quite the same as schizophrenia.

Mark MellinChester Washington

On my first viewing of _The Outing_, I remember wondering the same thing (or perhaps the cafe manager was simply very well experienced with these sorts of boy spats). But later appearances in _The Wife_ and the mock focus group scene in _The Foundation_ seemed to downplay that angle.

"ckHehrennn a.o.?", I don't know what that means.

How what works? This whole newsgroup is pretty much about watching 180 sitcom episodes over and over and over again, and looking for new discoveries and minutiae to share with others.

Ha, well at least Lundqvist had to suffer for their Olympic win over Finland. What other kinds of Swedes are there, though? Do the Swedes recognize the Sami as native Swedish people?

Cirrhosis of the liver and PCP addiction? (just kidding and quoting)

  • Mark
Mark Mellin San Mateo Village, CA 94403 USA
Chester WashingtonMark Mellin

Mark Mellin wrote in news:[email] ws.net:

"karen canoli" believes creatiove spoelling is kewl. (see older clitoris-dolores thread)

Racism, homophobia, etc.

This whole newsgroup is pretty much

Mark MellinChester Washington

In article , Chester Washington wrote:

Honestly, Chester, there are hundreds, if not thousands, of Usenet newsgroups that feature regular posters with racist, homophobic, anti-semitic, etc., views. As far as I've been able to tell over the years, alt.tv.seinfeld is not one of those newsgroups.

Perhaps others can refresh my memory, but I seem to recall the biggest controversies on the newsgroup being whether or not Susan's death was distasteful, or, if we're all just a bunch of nitwits for constantly quoting lines from the show.

  • Mark
Mark Mellin San Mateo Village, CA 94403 USA
ErMark Mellin

"Mark Mellin" wrote in message news:[email]...

That's right... I am still waiting for those 'intelligent' observations from those who complained about the quoting.

Er

Chester WashingtonEr

"Er" wrote in news:[email]:

It's a lot easier to complain about anything (and people WILL complain about ANYTHING) than to come up with anything interesting to say.

LRodEr

On Wed, 1 Mar 2006 07:52:47 -0600, "Er" wrote:

No shit. Those (that) fussbudget practically killed this group, and it still hasn't recovered. Six months ago there were some really well done exchanges consisting of nothing but quotes.

As Elaine would say, "well crafted."

LRod Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999 http://www.woodbutcher.net
Chester WashingtonMark Mellin

Mark Mellin wrote in news:[email] ws.net:

Hi Mark

I am well aware of the huge number of racist and anti-everything sites and groups and 4-d organization. There's more every day, like with everything else.

I was not NEARLY implying this group is ANYTHING like the them, just that picking out little details about some of the characters (I know we've all seen the episodes a dozen times so there's got to be something to do since we can barely listen to the dialogues anymore) can at times lead one into the gray waters of which I accused the OP (or one of the fuppers).

I'm just personally a little sensitive about certain things, having been tortured most of my HS days for being gay (which I'm not), thought by some as a Jew ( negatively) which I am not (just have a huge nose but it's not even of the Jewish kid) and having known enough blacks and gays to know many of them are actually nicer people than straights let alone stuck up WASP's (except for the rap "music". That is unexcusable). Many, of course, are unbearable. But so is almost everybody, in the final analysis.

I have only been visiting here for a few months, so I don't know the history. Susan's lousy acting as she keeled over was a little distasteful (not to mention one of the less-credible events in the show), but did ANYONE actually LIKE her? George no need to speak of, but she did also alienate the others and told them they were boring and useless (largely true, but that's what makes most the show fun, of course).

As for the quoting, it is kind of fun but also kind of stupid. Just my opinion. It would be less stupid if the quotes actually applied to the episode discussed. I made up my own quote for the hand-puppet comment. While possibly against the group charter (IF one even exists), I thought it was pretty funny.

Regards, cW

ErIncubus

"Incubus" wrote in message news:4400a56f$0$12214$[email]...

I don't think He was gay...

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Er

Lee GarrisonEr

Group: alt.tv.seinfeld Date: Sat, Feb 25, 2006, 1:48am (EST-1) From: [email] (Chester Washington) wrote......... And how do you make a connection (unless I am misreading the inclusion of the apparently obligatory - in this group - show quote) between making someone a "personal hand puppet" and homosexuality? _________________________________ The same way you connect it to heterosexuality, bisexualtiy, or an initiation right in alt.tv.seinfeld.......By Using Your Imagination! When the Monks (owner/manager) used that line as a message to George, it was an obvious threat of violence. Of course there's no way to connect "making someone your hand puppet" with beating them up. So the audience had to use imagination.....as did Jerry as indicated by the look on his face after hearing it.. LG oops. almost forgot!...."Is that a Drakes coffee cake?

Chester WashingtonLee Garrison

[email] (Lee Garrison) wrote in news:[email]:

Hmmmm... Still, just wait til you read below....

When the

FWIW I understood it as something more or less like skinning George alive and using his skin (or parts of it) as a hand puppet while mocking and kicking his bleeding carcass (for the brief few moments before he dies).

"No, it's a stir-fried George brains coquille"

Lee GarrisonChester Washington

Group: alt.tv.seinfeld Date: Tue, Feb 28, 2006, 3:09pm (EST-1) From: [email] (Chester Washington) wrote.........

FWIW I understood it as something more or less like skinning George alive and using his skin (or parts of it) as a hand puppet while mocking and kicking his bleeding carcass (for the brief few moments before he dies). "No, it's a stir-fried George brains coquille" ____________________________________

Nice use of imagination indeed! No more calls....we have a winner! Poor George......What are you....anti Italian or something?

LG

Its Moops!

Chester WashingtonLee Garrison

[email] (Lee Garrison) wrote in news:[email]:

Again with racism (or whatever)... I hate EVERYBODY equally. George is ugly and unpleasant as hell to look at, but that's not the point of the thread.

BTW, thank you. Thank you very much.

GymdandyIncubus

No, an earring in the RIGHT ear meant you were gay. This was a fairly good measure until the early 90s when men started wearing earrings in BOTH ears.

But for the record ONE earring in the left ear means STRAIGHT, One earring in the right ear means GAY