Fans discuss whether the final line about a button's placement was a callback to the pilot episode and whether it was intentional foreshadowing or simply fitting for a show about nothing.
Hello! Did anyone get what they were talking about at the end of the Final Episode (Jail Scene) when Jerry told George that his button was in the worst spot possible? I know that they wouldn't just put that in there for no reason because that was the last official line of the show. Can anyone help me out here? Thanx
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It was a line about nothing - isn't that the perfect way to end a show about nothing? It's a typical thing to do for these characters, talking about meaningless things when the world is falling apart around them.
I was under the impression that they were talking about the button because in the series premiere of Seinfeld, The Seinfeld Chronicles their very first conversation was talking about the button. Jerry says the same thing in the final episode as he said in the first episode.
nothing? It's a typical thing to do for these characters, talking about meaningless things when the world is falling apart around them.>>
One thing this show isn't about is what it claims to be about: nothing. cc
there were alot of inside jokes in that eposide i think that symoblized how they were gonna keep repeating themselves in syndication.>>It was a line about nothing - isn't that the perfect way to end a show about
Mst3keith wrote:
There were A Lot of inside jokes in the entire series - many of which meant a lot to the cast and crew but a lot of us got them because there was a lot of discussion about them here.
Now - that is a lot about nothing.
:-)
On 18 Oct 1998, Raingluttn wrote:
I'd have to agree with you there, Seinfeld is about ALOT of things. The nothing description probably came in after J&G's pilot script about nothing. And even that had a plot, so it was about something :)
Tim
In an interview Jerry said he and Larry David simply wanted the show to be about "nothing much"; just simply everyday life with some humor. It gets tiring hearing people calling a show about nothing because, as mentioned in the above posts, it's about a lot of things. If you call this show about nothing then you can call "Cheers" (which I love) a show about nothing. "Seinfeld" has just as many themes as any other show. Anyway, I just wanted to emphasize that the show is about *nothing much*.
Kevin
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I always thought that the show was about details.
Mo
Me too. Absolute databases of details. Huge lists of gloriously insignificant details. Monstrous web sites full of nothing but beautifully wonderful tiny DETAILS!!!
Dave wrote:
How is that a show??
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Because it's there !
Mo
On Wed, 21 Oct 1998 01:15:32 -0500, "Mohamel" wrote:
Correction: Because it's on TV!
Jerome
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Not yet!
Mo
Mo! You just pinned down my absolute favorite line in the history of Seinfeld!
The way Dalrimple delivers the "Not yet" line; so 'deadpan' after he asks "Why am I watching it?", then George excitedly says, "Because it's on TV!"
When I first saw this episode, I was just as excited for Jerry and George because they got their big chance to pitch the pilot, that I was feeling exactly what George was feeling as he explained the show to the NBC guys, and I felt a tangible letdown when Russell "brought George back down to Earth" with those two little words.
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A great episode and if I remember correctly it was the very first Seinfeld I saw. As a matter of fact it was a great season concluding with "The Pilot" right after the Cheers Finale. My own favorite Russell moment though is in "The Shoes" when he yells out to George "GET A GOOD LOOK COSTANZA"!! after the peek at his daughter's cleavage.. Sexy Elaine too in that episode.
Classic Seinfeld .
Mo
What, you mean I have to go into the details to explain to you how that is a show?
Hint to everyone else: When watching the shows from the first 2 or three years, count the number of tabu's. I'll say no more lest I spoil it for you.
The show is largely about the tension between the necessity for human interaction and the necessity for socially imposed roles. We have the doorman, the soup n*zi, and others who disturb us by allowing themselves an arrogance beyond the roles that their jobs impose. We have the pool guy trying to be more friendly than his job licenses him to be. On the other hand, we have Jerry trying to communicate with the car rental lady as she uses her job role as a defense against human communication. Same with Elaine and the Chinese take-out restaurant. One side wants to play by the rules, the other tries to communicate as one personality to another.
Being a stand-up comedian means balancing on the edge between stylized, rule-bounded communication and open person-to-person communication. But then, so does going out on a date...
Mark L.
Very well put, Mark. In fact, with your permission, I think I'd like to
use your post to answer the "What's the show all about?" question in the
Seinfeld FAQ.
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Dave, I aslo liked Mark's insight but would add one more theme and that is Jerry's iconoclastic view of our generally accepted behaviours. Things like the AIDS ribbon that Kramer wouldn't wear but still sacrificed himself to walk for a cure. In society the ribbon has taken on more meaning than the issue itself. I am sure there are many others. Certainly all the PC language that is forced on us. Jerry who is not racist in the show is acused of it because he... made reservations at a restaurant, bought tickets from a scalper,...etc.
Mark if you agree, could you express this for Dave as well as you did the social issues.
I don't mind being quoted and I by no means intended to imply that the theme of violating job-imposed roles was the only recurring theme in the show.
Jerry is accused of being racist with regard to Indians (by Wynona), Chinese (by the postman), and of course dentists. He impersonates the bigoted Dylan Murphy (O'Brien's sidekick). The amusing thing is not that Jerry is in fact unprejudiced. He is grossly prejudiced, but in an entirely different way. He cares only about whether someone is attractive and fun to be with, meaning 75% of the population is undatable and of no concern to him. What's amusing is that he gets what's coming to him-- even steven-- but from the wrong direction.
Mark L.
Mark L. Levinson wrote: <snip> . He is grossly prejudiced,
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95% !! I believe he said.
Cheers,
Mike
What the show is about?
22 minutes, I think.
Heavy stuff, Mike. I like it. Whaddayasay Mark? Weave your web. Work your magic.
But don't use the word 'iconoclast', I don't want to scare anyone off!
:)
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Plus he's got a John Houseman name :)
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I'd say that Cheers was about being friendless and slightly inebriated in Boston, whereas Seinfeld was more about four New York people who live in New York and do things in town. Now Oprah is a show about nothing.
Amletto di Milano
Chris Nyborg wrote:
Right Chris, but it was more than that. It was the same conversation Jerry and George had when we met them for the first time in 1989 in the very first episodeThe Seinfeld Chronicles. So they ended the show with the same line..... =====================================================================
[Scene: Pete's luncheonette. Jerry and George are sitting at a table.]
JERRY: Seems to me, that button is in the worst possible spot. [talking about George's shirt] The second button literally makes or breaks the shirt, look at it: it's too high! It's in no-man's-land, you look like you live with your mother.
GEORGE: Are you through? [kind of irritated]
JERRY: You do of course try on, when you buy? .... ========================================================= So they began and ended the show on the same minutia line .....