Seinfeld and music

Another old topic: what music do the four listen to?

Jerry: Has a CD player, but probably doesn't buy that many records. I bet he's an Elvis Costello fan (Can't you see Jerry as a new waver?). George: Show tunes, nothing but show tunes. Elaine: Old singer-songwriters, like Carol King and James Taylor. Probably likes Bette Midler (she gave Jerry those CDs). She might like lighter alternative stuff like 10,000 Maniacs. Kramer: He likes opera (we know that), might like old punk groups, rockabilly, and reggae (he went to the Reggae Lounge). What do you think? Dave

[email] (David Gregory Platt) writes:

Gosh, if that were true, I'd gain a whole new level of respect for the character! (Of course, Elvis Costello was only "new wave" on one or two of his 15ish albums; he's also done soul, hard rock, country, reggae, a little jazz, a little classical, and other stuff you can't classify.)

In [email] (Roy Eassa) writes:

I'm guessing that Jerry probably has the early new-wave stuff. I'm basing this on his age -- he would have been in his mid 20s in the late 70s-early 80s. Also, the clothes he wears during his gigs have that "early 80s new wave guy" feel to them. Is this valid?

As for Kramer, I'm wondering whether he's really hip or unwiitingly hip. Is he the ultimate cool guy on the edge, or is he so out of it he's in? I'm guessing the latter, which would mean he has a _weird_ record collection. Dave

[email] (David Gregory Platt) writes:

How about:

Erasure and Skinny Puppy, Indigo Girls and James Brown, Derek & the Dominos and Dvorak (not all on one album, mind you), and Dave Brubeck and Howlin' Wolf?

dave

In [email] (David Witzany) writes:

I don't know. This sounds a little too purposely eclectic. Kramer seem like the type of guy who bought records because he liked the album covers :) Seriously, here's a list of my suggestions:

The Residents, Jerry Lee Lewis, Fela Kuti, Reggae compilations, Luciano Pavorotti, Patsy Cline, Sergio Mendez, and a whole bunch of punk bands. Dave

After I said Kramer probably listens to...

Dave Platt replied...

Actually, those folks are all on my shelf at home. I purposely arranged them to be as contrasting as possible; I don't generally listen to Skinny Puppy after Erasure (I bought their covers of four ABBA tunes, presumably because of a childhood spent absorbing top 40 radio...), but most of the other combinations aren't that far-fetched. You just have to be in the right frame of mind. Let's see, should that be Jimi and then Aretha, or... ?

dave.

I'd have to say definately not to Erasure and Skinny Puppy. No way to Indigo Girls. But James Brown and Howlin' Wolf would fit...and early Derek and the Dominos as well as really early Dave Brubek I could see. Actually early Skinny Puppy for that matter might work, but Erasure and the Indigo Girls are more Elaine's speed...and Erasure isn't really music anyway...is it?

I just got the image of Kramer waltzing to the Dave Brubeck Quartet's "Take Five". Boy do I need a day off...

-- Brian Moore

In article ,

No, it's not.

     He *definitely* likes old punk.  See, I think, "The Trip Part I".
     The scene is the one where he's driving his wreck to somewhere (and
     I am pretty sure it was California, that's why I think it was "The
     Trip"), headbanging along to some very fast, very loud music with a
     lot o' screaming.

     You know, the kind of music whose chaotic style remindsone of Kramer's
     hair.  ::smile::

-Me

In [email] (Rob Shearman Jr.) writes:

That's exactly the scene I was thinking of. It seemed to be very new-wavish. I'm guessing the thrift clothes are part of it as well. Dave

I might be wrong about this, but I don't remember that scene as being old punk...or punk at all for that matter. It sounded to me (although I admit that I wasn't paying very close attention and it was a long time ago) like some ultra-heavy funk thrash kind of stuff...which would be much newer, much more NYC, and much more Kramer. It sounded like it could have even been something totally Kramer, like Naked City...which is definately not punk. Punk is too well defined for Kramer's tastes, I believe.

In [email] (Thomas Reynolds) writes:

I think you're talking about the dissonant "No Wave" stuff (James White & The Blacks, Gang Of Four) that could be called "funky... sort of techno-punk... at least that's how it sounds to me. Dave

I peg Jerry as a: BadfingerLedZepWholateBeatlesBDylanYesBTOELOREOspeedwagonCaseyCasum(sp?) ClassicRock-kind-of-a-guy. He's too old, funnynerdy, and mainstream for older Elvis Costello (the "new-wave" stuff)...but Elvis Presly is a possibility. I could see him getting high with Kramer to Dark Side of the Moon and other Pink Floyd stuff as well.

George: Show tunes is right, but I think he's a closet country line dancing type as well.

Elaine: Your estimate sounds right, although 10,000 maniacs isn't quite alternative unless your from Bumblehoot, IA. I could see her into Andrew Loyd Weber when nobody is looking. I sense Public Enemy and the Beastie Boys are in her collection for when she's feeling like a bad girl.

Kramer: Opera is right, Reggae is right, Older punk groups is wrong, I think. Rockabilly is definately wrong...he's too metropolitan for that. Otis Redding probably. Sam and Dave. Sonny and Cher. Pink Floyd. It sounds funny, but I bet he gets down to Zydeco (sp?). Gladys Knight. And definately Baroque period stuff. Kramer, after all, is the definitive Renaissance man...which reminds me...Neil Diamond is a definate, I'd say...and anything disco between 1975 and 1978.

In [email] (Thomas Reynolds) writes:

Well,that shag that he wore in the library episode is definitely your ultra70s type, but look at him now! He looks like he hasn't changed his wardrobe since 1981!

Only if he's dating a woman who's into that... he'd be into anything to impress a oman.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Watch it, buddy! My parents are from Iowa! And I _still_ think 10,000 Maniacs would qualify as "_light_ alternative," if only because Natalie Merchant is a forme pal of Michael Stipe.

But look at those clothes! Either he's a former downtown punker or a _real_ space-case. Do we know for sure he's from New York? I think he's a transplanted westerner. Dave

There's an episode from last season which should shed some light on Kramer's music taste...remember, he and Newman try to pawn some old albums? Kramer liked Sergio Mendes...and I can't remember what else.

(It's the same episode in which Jerry, George and Elaine all "adopt" senior citizens....) Wendy

In [email] (WENDY J TYROL) writes:

Sergio Mendes sounds very fitting -- Latino pop that isn't cool enough to be "world music." I think Kramer is the type of guy who seems cool totallly in spite of himself. Dave

I might be wrong, but I thought that Kramer and Newman got the Sergio Mendez from Jerry, who was going to throw it out. It seemed to me that Kramer's expressions of fondness for that music was solely based on the fact that he was going to try to sell it. If he liked it, why would he be selling it...we know that he doesn't need the money...he can fall ass-backwards into that.

In [email] (Thomas Reynolds) writes:

I don't have the exact dialogue, but Kramer tells Jerry that his records didn't sell. Jerry then says something like "Yeah, you and your Sergio Mendez!" To which Kramer replies "Hey, he can't got to the bathroom in South America!" Dave

David Gregory Platt ([email]) wrote:

But I think that Jerry was saying "you and your Sergio Mendez" in the context of Kramer being all excited about getting that record from Jerry in the first place...if I remeber correctly, which I may not.

In [email] (Thomas Reynolds) writes:

I'm pretty sure that Jerry was saying this because Kramer insulted Jerry's own records... this probably means that Jerry had the Jerry Vale sings italian love songs. Dave

To add to the heated debate on what kind of music Kramer would like....I don't know if Kramer would like Philip Glass enough to own any...but I could see a show where Kramer unwittingly becomes the subject of a Philip Glass symphony...

I can see Kramer collecting 100 different recordings of Teddy Bears' Picnic and maybe the Bantu recording of Handel's Messiah.

J.P.

Jerry has to have a collection of Warner Brothers tunes. Remember him singing "Overture... hit the lights..." or whatever it was at the opera.

In [email] (Thomas Reynolds) writes:

I like it. "Kramer On The Beach." Dave

TR>To add to the heated debate on what kind of music Kramer would like....I TR>don't know if Kramer would like Philip Glass enough to own any...but I TR>could see a show where Kramer unwittingly becomes the subject of a Philip TR>Glass symphony...

Want to know something that freaked me out? I was watching a Tom Waite video the other night and I couldn't get over the similarities between Kramer and Waite..I wonder if Tom Waite was who Michael Richardson pattered Kramer after.

Later, Neil. --- . QMPro 1.01 41-2809 . Enter any 12-digit Prime number to continue....

In [email] (Neil Day) writes:

Ever since the beginning of the show, I thought that if we ever saw Kramer's father, it should be either Tom Waits or harry Dean Stanton. Dave

Waite is a little darker than Kramer...but now that you mention it, Waite could easily sit in for Kramer for a couple of shows...and vice-versa.

DON'T YOU HAVE ANYTHING BETTER TO WRITE ABOUT?

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Although this isn't exactly about Seinfeld and music, I have noticed an uncanny resemblance between Kraemer and....Christopher Lloyd. Remember Jim, that lunatic from Taxi? They definitely have similar if not exact character traits.. I'm sure thier characters, if they met as characters, would be great looney friends.

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Debster

[email] (Debster) writes:

Sorry, but this has been discussed numerous times over the past few months.

Tom Waits as Kramer's father? Maybe in a flashback, but Tom Waits couldn't be more than six or seven years older than Michael Richards, who is like 44 or so.

Also please don't confuse the brilliant wacko genius Tom _Waits_ with ex-Baby heartthrob pap purveyor John _Waite_. Thanks.

In [email] (Tim Connors) writes:

WEll, Tomw Waits once said, my kids are older than me. (I dont have qwuotes, so sue me). But Harry Dean Stanton is almost 70 years old, biologically old enough to be Kramers father. DAve

RE> Sorry, but this has been discussed numerous times over

This is the first time I've access this crazy computer Seinfeld newsgroup and I have not discussed this before. So... Ya, I think that there is a great similarity between the two. I never really watched Taxi a whole lot but I do think the two of them would be pretty loony friends. Actually, I'd like to see some of Kramer's (is that how you spell his name?) loony friends show up at Jerry's place.

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Who do you think Newman is? One of Kramers Looney friends. And his looney girlfriends come in once in a while too. Plus his barber. -Nick Scheibel

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