seinfeld did some ripping off too

don"t get me wrong, i"m a BIG seinfeld fan..but anyone who watched mM*A*S*H couldn"t help but notice THE SUZIE story was a bit like the tuttle story.....when hawkeye made up a story about a guy named tuttle and henry blake acually thought he knew him..as did peterman

Art...Art Vandelay, are you out there? I need another Alt.tv.mash-er to help me with this...I never noticed the connection, but in a way it is...however I don't consider it a "rip-off" per se, but rather a similare plot line...hey, either way it worked for both. I really enjoyed the Suzie episode of Seinfeld, and "Tuttle" from M*A*S*H's first season was one of my all time favorite episodes...

Of course note that M*A*S*H went further with the joke then Seinfeld did. In Seinfeld only Peterman says he knew Suzie, while in M*A*S*H, not only did Henry testify to knowing Captain Tuttle, but Frank (Burns) said he was Tuttle's best friend (a man would have to be made up to be Frank's best friend), and Margaret (Hot Lips Houlihan) finds herself with a crush on the late captain Tuttle...

My favorite two scenes from that episode were Hawkeye's final words about Captain Tuttle (he delivers it all so well) and of course Radar's description of his imaginary childhood friend...a girl who looked just like him, except she had tiny little breasts...

I never picked up on the Suzie/Tuttle connection, but you're right, they are similar plotlines....including the deaths of the imaginary characters and eulogies at the end.

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Maybe MASH ripped it too! BTW the Captain Tuttle episode is my favorite, IMHO MASH should have won an award! BTW, Suze,that was the germophobe one, right?

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I think one of the big differences was in how the imaginary characters came to be. It's been absolute ages since I've seen that episode, but I believe Tuttle was a non-existent noncom who, due to some screw-up, was receiving pay from the Government, They 'invented' him so they wouldn't have to give back the money, which they'd been giving to an orphanage I believe.

Or was that the "Private Lamb" episode I'm thinking of?

That was because Hawkeye made Tuttle into Margaret's dream man, that was preplanned and part of the joke (Berlin PolyTech?), but Peterman's decision to say a few words was stricly his own. I think maybe the 'embellishments' by both Margaret and Peterman were more like 'wish fulfillment'. The person never existed, but the non-existent person is not around to refute any claims, so the subconscious mind 'creates' the relationship. What made them both lie about their experience?? Frank Burns lied out of insecurity and jealousy, and Henry, I think, lied because he always resented being 'out of the loop', but with the other two, who lied about love interests, I think there was something deeper there.

Another great line: "There's a little Capt. Tuttle inside each and every one of us. In fact, you could say we all made up Capt. Tuttle."

Remember how Tuttle died? Jumped from a chopper dressed as Santa Claus, but he forgot his parachute. Suzie only committed suicide, less inspiring.

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Well it's been some time since I've seen "Tuttle" myself (though all this talk about it has mad eme decide to watch it later today on video) but I think it started another way, and the over-due pay comes in as a plot twist later in the episode...

As for that other episode you've mentioned, "Private Charles Lamb," another favorite M*A*S*H of mine, the story was a little different. Radar may have made up the name, but their was a body to go along with it...Of course that body happened to belong to a lamb which was set to be eaten at a big Greek feast, but still Radar found a way to save it...He had Henry (Blake) unknowingly send this Private Lamb home...And let me just put in my favorite line from that episode...I don't recall the exact words, but it was something to the extent of (said by Henry) that the lamb which was to be dinner for (a lot) of Greek soldiers is now on it's way to the states to become Radar's brother...

Radar actually said the word "breasts?"

Yeah...what, something's wrong with that word?

Oh, and I checked out the episode and found how Tuttle's name first came out to begin with...Hawkeye and Trapper were giving goods to a local curch (or something close to that...it was run by a nun, so...) and they signed the name of Jonathan Tuttle to the papers for the stuff they gave the sister. From there the comedy prevails...

You mean other then it goes against Radar's basic character, no. But this is a character that stutters whenever the mere subject of "female person's" comes up, so it's difficult imagine him saying breasts.

welll, in the MASH movie, and in the wayyyy early episodes, radar wasn't portrayed as so naive (which came to be his calling card); he seemed to be more devious than anything. I don't know what made them decide to make him such a wuss as the years went by....

mike

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Well he doesn't sing it from the hills in Korea...he whispers it to Hawkeye and Trapper...besides, even though Radar was very uncomfortable around girls or conversations about girls, sometimes he would break character and be a man...remember in "The Abduction Of Margaret Houlihan" when he is forced, by Potter to look for her in the women's shower. Sure, when he first goes in, it's with his eyes covered, but before leaving, he sneeks a peak at the nurse showering in there at the time...

p.s. i was wondering if anyone else saw any thing that reminded them of a story from any other shows

<WRT similar plot lines on other shows>

Here's a repost of an observation I made earlier. --snip--- Here is a precis for the Andy Griffith epsiode being shown today in my area as printed in the newspaper.

"An English tourist works off a fine as Andy's valet"

Sound familiar? So, presumably George watched Andy Griffith as a child. And the plot was buried in his subconcious. Or else original ideas are even rarer than most cynics think. ---snip----

Thank God for deja.com. All I could recall was Andy Griffith. But that was enough to retrieve the post.

I say the latter, after all, Shakespeare wasn't nearly as original as some people claim. I think it was Stephen King that said there's no such thing as new ideas, it's what you do with the idea that makes it original.

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I can't provide a prior example, but I'd be amazed if Seinfeld was the first show to do the storyline about trying to change an answerphone tape or delete the messages before the person heard it. They certainly weren't the last.

Ollie

But they were probably first to explore the "speed dial ranking" phenomenon.

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RE: Re: seinfeld did some ripping off too BY: Marty McFly

MM<> Maybe MASH ripped it too! BTW the Captain Tuttle episode is my MM<> favorite, MM<> IMHO MASH should have won an award! BTW, Suze,that was the MM<> germophobe one, MM<> right?

No, the Susie episode and the germophobe episode are two different episodes.

Drew

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I don't think Seinfeld "ripped off" MASH, rather they just had similar storylines. Hell, Elaine didn't go into the J. Peterman files and make up a whole file for Suzie (like Hawkeye and Trapper did for Tuttle... remember, hotlips was totally hot for his description).

mike

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mM*A*S*H

blake

On 18 Aug 1999 02:38:57 GMT, [email] (Wylou114) wrote:

Seinfeld ripped off "All in the Family" with the man-purse. Gloria gave Mike a leather carryall as a gift. He loves it. Archie of course thinks it's a purse. Watching both shows, the rip off is obvious.

Just so you know.

--H. Rustiqa

On Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:30:55 GMT, [email] (H. Rustiqa) wrote:

And what about friends!?!? joey had a man purse as well and everyone's like - "hey thats a womans purse" and i'm like "hey thats a seinfeld joke"

it was funnny stuff on seinfeld but friends seems to have this thing where they just stretch a joke until it SNAPS..... hate that shit

Anyway.. . anyone here ever got the chance to see the Australian program Frontline? i'd say it'd be my second favourite show ever.. after seinfeld and before the simpsons... It has some of the best satire on tv

if you can get your hands on it GET IT