Pakistani Restaurants

In "The Jacket", the gang supposedly ate at a Pakistani Restaurant with Alton Benes after leaving the hotel lobby (Jerry's new suede jacket getting ruined en route).

However, 16 episodes later in "The Cafe", Jerry gives Babu Bhatt the idea to change his restaurant into all-Pakistani, because there aren't any in NYC (IIRC).

Either Jerry is not remembering this prior visit to a Pakistani restaurant, or the restaurant closed soon thereafter and he intentionally gave Babu bad advice (where are people?... I do not see people!... show me people!). Perhaps not an inconsistency per se, but at least it connects two of the episodes.

Also a Seinfeld mystery: Just how much did that suede jacket cost? At least over $1000, right?

-JKB

In article , [email] (Jason Barber) wrote:

That's a classic George bit, starting with when he says he's not going to ask what the jacket cost.

Sometimes I think *every* George bit is classic...

Ollie

Well, they all are...!

"Alright, I'm walking out of here thinking you payed a thousand dollars for this jacket unless you tell me different...............HUH HO!!"

The Man of Purpose wrote in message news:bsLx3.2872$[email]...

In article , [email] wrote:

Personally, if I paid over $1000 for a jacket I would be willing to walk half a block behind everyone else if it would keep it from being ruined. Too bad Jerry never thought of that

[email] wrote:

If I stood to lose a $1000 jacket, I would have asked Mr. Benes to put up with the stripes or agree to a cab. If Jerry had mentioned the price of the jacket, I'm sure Mr. Benes would have been a reasonable man. If he refused, I'd get the address of the restaurant and meet them there. I guess they wanted to show how utterly "worthless" Jerry and George considered themselves when in the presence of such a great man. They couldn't hold up a conversation, they were 'beneath' him in every way. That's why Jerry essentially agreed to ruin an expensive jacket. Maybe.

What I didn't like was how Kramer took advantage of him, not even offering to return his original leather jacket while taking the ruined expensive jacket. He even mentioned it but didn't take the opportunity to be a pal. Moments like that, like the time he was giddy when Jerry's stock did poorly, show a dark side or Kramer that I just don't like.

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Dave wrote:

I think they were "intimidated" by Alton but did not want to embarrass Elaine by doing anything he disapproved of.

Agreed. There are a lot of other incidences of the group "dumping on" or "taking advantage" of each other when they want to. There are, of course, many examples of their helping each other too. BTW if Jerry had taken back the old jacket wouldn't that be Indi..uh ... ah ... taking back something you previously gave. :-)

The funny thing is I always thought that "indian givers" referred to how "the white man" was always "giving" the "Indians" a "new home" just to turn around and take it back. I mean the settlers didn't just immediately send the Native Americans to reservations in Idaho, it was a gradual process. So, actually, if you think about it, the phrase "indian giver" is really derogatory toward the settlers kept pushing the "Indians" west.

The News Guy(Mike) wrote in message news:[email]...

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Remember all the problems Jerry had with Jack Klompus over the "astronaut pen that wrote upside down"?

Can you imagine what would happen if he asked Krammer to return his original leather jacket !

I think in the Seinfeld code of values, asking for the return of a gift is a bigger violation than re-gifting or, (dare I say it?) violating the "I called it" rule.

JG

In article , "John Gross" wrote:

"astronaut

original

gift is a

It's called "de-gifting" and is a definite faux pas. Frank Costanza did it with the marble rye from the episode of the same name.

[email] wrote:

(Just a slight correction: the episode was The Rye, not the marble rye.)

What other "degifting" or "regifting" was there?
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- the label maker, of course,

- the sweater with the red dot was degifted by Elaine then regifted to the cleaning lady

• the apartment was "given " to George then degifted by a bribe to Alan

• the Armani suit was regifted to Simon

- the watch Jerry through away was a self-degifting
- the wallet Morty threw away was also a self-degifting
   So the Seinfelds MUST have a family coded of not degifting
   They would rather throw the gift away.

• the cigar store indian degifted by Winona, regifted to Kramer

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Dave wrote in message ...

Boy, I sure wouldn't have expected that from the Ratboy. As for me, I thought such despicable behavior kind of fit right in with the theme of the entire show, although apparently the writers were still trying to figure out just what kind of person Kramer was going to be. In another early episode Kramer also does Jerry a big unsolicited favor by finding a renter who will pay more for the apartment than Elaine: ("Sometimes I like to help the humans")

--JKB

In article , [email] (Dave) wrote:

I thought this was an example of Kramer being insensitive through naivety, rather than through deliberate meanness. When he mentioned the old jacket, it was not to torment Jerry, but rather to underline the fact that the obvious thing to do, i.e., offer Jerry his old jacket back, didn't even occur to him. In fact, Kramer was probably *sympathising* with Jerry's plight in now having no leather jacket, having given the original one to Kramer - i.e., Kramer's "too bad" was genuine, rather than sarcastic. That's my view, anyway.

Ollie

As in 'the obvious always alludes Kramer.'

I believe if Mr. Benes knew how much Jerry spent on the jacket that he would refuse to sit in the same restaurant as Jerry. Mr. Benes does not seem like the kind of man that thinks very highly of anyone who spends that kind of dough on clothes.

If

I thought that this had more to do with trying to show how scared they were of this man. Remember, the high praise disappeared after they actually spoke with the guy.

They

Chalk it up to Kramer just being Kramer. If they were all likable all the time there wouldn't be much of a show.