I thought it was a funny, but somewhat strange episode. Although it was done in jest, I could see it pissing someone off(my wife). It kind of gave me a different perspective of the characters.
RQ
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I'm curious. Wouldn't Susan's foray into lesbianism have provided her with some type of immune protection to licking toxic surfaces?
<<I'm curious. Wouldn't Susan's foray into lesbianism have provided her with some type of immune protection to licking toxic surfaces?>>
Hmmm...interesting thought. But perhaps her foray into lesbanism also provided her with the staminia to lick all 200 envelopes, as any other women would of tired and resorted to the use of a sponge. Because of this she ingested a toxic amount of the deadly glue and this most surely contributed to her untimely demise.
Just a thought.
nancie
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Perhaps Susan didn't feel that the wedding invitation envelopes were sponge worthy.
Shocked! Only begins to describe the feeling that was left after hearing the news of Susan's death. There are children watching this show who may not understand that the writers are losing it. Why didn't they kill George. Susan was accepting and kind and must have been a saint to put up with that self serving George. Probably the only female to have anything to do with him. Now who's going to have him now. Martians maybe? I didn't like the whole thing. I will never watch Seinfeld again! I am really pissed! !!!!!!!!
A Disgruntled Fan!!
I hope you aren't suggesting the show keep things tame cuz children are watching...? Anyways, any kid who's parents allow him/her up at 9pm is old enough to understand where Seinfeld is coming from.
I think from his postscript we can tell what concern Mr. Koerber has for children.
I hope anti-viruses work on his posts.
[email] (Pangolin) wrote:
I wonder, has JCS ever read anything?
I believe I saw a letter in this newsgroup posted by "Susan's" dad. If you're reading, I have a question.
Dear Sir:
So....whaddaya think?
Dear Tisserand,
Better dead than married to George, don't you think?
I thought killing off Susan was the only sensible thing that could be done. George certainly could not have gotten married. And he is too much of a coward to call off the wedding. Susan calling it off is what he has been hoping for so that could not have happened.
George apparent lack of grief just shows that the relief of not having to go through with the wedding overwhelmed all other feelings. I was happy for George who was saved from an unhappy marriage. It was black humor at its best.
Dan
[email] (Ron Quinn) wrote:
George's character has been ruined. For the writers to have him react that way--he's become inhuman. I don't see how you can have the other characters be chummy with him anymore. What's next? Kramer becoming a serial killer?
No, it was Tobias Lehigh Nagy who was the serial killer.
"It's a small world but I wouldn't want to paint it." -Stephen Wright
[email] wrote:
I agree totally. I don't want to make too much of this whole thing, but the fact is that these are characters we've come to know over the past few years and we've accepted them with their limitations. George has always been sleazy, but somehow he remained "likeable" in spite of it. His unfeeling reaction to Susan's death was too much for him to remain a likeable character, so in future episodes it will be hard for me to accept his sleaziness, which is important if one is to find humor in his actions. To a lesser extent the same goes for the rest of the gang who were so ucaring about Susan's death. The writers have really spoiled these characters for me. Since Seinfeld is my favorite show, I am going to do my best to wipe this episode from my memory so I can enjoy it for one more season.
Maggie
That's exactly right. People around here that it is only a TV show (yes) and that it is based on dark humor (yes), but this last episode was downright meanspirited.
Since she first made her appearance Susan was brutalized by the writer:
- Kramer vomited on her
- Kramer burned her cabin down
- George had a mob chase her (bubble boy)
- George had her fired from her job
- George had her humilliated in front of her family
- George drove her to a lesbian affair
- George selfishly did not want her to fraternize with his friends
- George wanted to cheat on her after their engagement
- George help to kill her
- None of the gang gave a hoot about her death (a dog has more tears shed over)
I have never seen a sitcom character treated so consistently awful. I once asked some friends if a real Susan would still want to marry a lowlife like George. A girl told me that susan's character was suffereing from battered wife syndrome and could not get away. That sounded extreme back then, but now it's posible that the writers stumbled uncontrollably onto the truth.
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This has to be one of the more articulate and dead-on posts I've seen on the net - on this or any other newsgroup. I mean, I am a true Seinfeld fan, but this was way too much. The characters have gone from being amusingly self-absorbed to simply brutual and caustic individuals. Are the writers trying to make a message to the fans; i.e., don't hold your beloved characters too close? If so, that's a lousy way to attract and hold viewers. Let's pray that this show is an aberration. Susan's death replaces the Parking Lot as my all time worst episode. Susan's character has been brutalized. What were the writers thinking??
Who was it that uncovered her father's homosexuality? Wasn't that in "The Cheever Letters" episode? Let's not forget that one...
Gee, thanks.
I forgot to add another instance in which George hurt Susan. They are actually showing it now. He helped to get her uncle's store robbed. It's amazing that he showed so much concern over the comfort and well being of the security guard that he insisted on getting him a rocking chair, yet with Susan . . .
Well, enough on this subject I've had my say.
- Kramer vomited on her
- Kramer burned her cabin down
- George had a mob chase her (bubble boy)
- George had her fired from her job
- George had her humilliated in front of her family
- George drove her to a lesbian affair
- George selfishly did not want her to fraternize with his friends
- George wanted to cheat on her after their engagement
- George help to kill her
- None of the gang gave a hoot about her death (a dog has more tears shed over)>>
I'm sorry, but being driven to lesbianism is not being brutalized. Being victimized because one is gay is brutal.
<I'm sorry, but being driven to lesbianism is not being brutalized. Being <victimized because one is gay is brutal.
I agree with the original post and let me say in response to the first one of this series that it was the most intelligent and thoughtful response that has come out of this newgroup in a long time. Although it is of little comfort, it is nice to know that at least some people have some standards of decency. Unfortunately, as the episode finale and this newgroup have proved, it is very few.
"Kill all the Prussians and we'll have peace." A Saxon-German Soldier, 1914
She was standing in the wrong spot. and it's a show.
Susan's father shouldn't have given George those cigars. plus it's only a tv show/
The bubble boy was a dick! Plus it's a tv show.
It's a damn show!
WHEN?
So?
Susan didn't like Elaine...Plus independent george was dying!
Maris Tomey!? She's an Oscar winner! An Oscar Winner!
IT's a freaking tv show!
It's a TV Sitcome! Calm down!
You know, you almost had a good and funny posting here; with all the almost clever answers to the incidents. But your moronical insistance that it is just a show (Really?, DAH!) just spoiled it.
It is just a show, yet people find it interesting or even enjoyable to discuss its merits with others of a like mind. You yourself found the time to search this newsgroup and write about it. You do seem to remember most of the episodes I mentioned. Interstingly, You repeat verbatim the quote that Ron Patrick E-mailed me-- "being victimize for being gay is brutal". You don't even give him credit! Or are you the same Ron Patrick hiding under a second address?
Worse of all, you conveniently(intentionally) left out the portions of my posting in which I refer to Susan as a "sitcom character" and the writers being the ones responsble for this crappy episode, Strange you then try to prove your coolness and intelligence by saying exactly that, that it is a sitcom. I think that when you grow up (you are a teenager are't you?) you'll make a good political operative.
Finally, I only came to this newsgroup last week after the Susan episode. I have other things to do and, unlike some of the obsessed ones here I don't discuss ad-nauseam topics like who is jewish or gay. Now, those are meaningless queries based on fictional characters! Anyway, As of today I'm unsubscribing, it seems everyone has had an opportunity to express their opinions and we are all repeating ourselves. Bye.
[email] wrote:
Plus it was only temporary. Or as George put it: "it didn't take" :-)
Being victimized because one is gay is brutal.
You are so right on with this.
Too bad some morons cannot concede this point.
I feel that Susan will be coming back as a ghost and haunt both George and Krammer in a few upcoming episodes, or perhaps not.....
Keith
Well, Kramer WAS suspected of being the Smog Strangler...turned out the killer may have been Tobias Lehigh Nagy. As for Susan, she gave as good as she got....until the end. Considering what it would have been like being married to George, she probably got off light. It's a sitcom, folks. Attaching all this baggage to a sitcom is ridiculous.
"It's a small world but I wouldn't want to paint it." -Stephen Wright
You're absolutely right. During the episode, I kept looking around the room to see if others felt as uncomfortable about the way the story was developing as I was.
Shame on those writers. They've crossed a line in which the show may never cross back over.
"Trae B. Russell" wrote:
That wouldn't be the 'crossover' line would it?
Monty
<Since Seinfeld is my favorite show, I am going to do my best to wipe this episode from my memory so I can enjoy it for one more season. >
If you can wipe this show from your memory then you are no better than the characters on Seinfeld. Boycott it. Don't show your tacit support for this horrendous turn of events by continuing to watch a show that collapsed totally.
"Kill all the Prussians and we'll have peace." A Saxon-German Soldier, 1914
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Hey, JCS. I was wondering how you took the news.
I thought that it would have been funnier if she got amnesia or something, but I still thought the way she died was a hoot. That look on her face as she keeled over! I almost fell out of my chair!!
Maybe she'll get a part on another show and you can pester THAT show's newsgroup about her....
I hope she does return to TV. I liked her well enough.....
<Hey, JCS. I was wondering how you took the news.
I thought that it would have been funnier if she got amnesia or something, but I still thought the way she died was a hoot. That look on her face as she keeled over! I almost fell out of my chair!!
Maybe she'll get a part on another show and you can pester THAT show's newsgroup about her....
<I hope she does return to TV. I liked her well enough....>
Its always comforting to hear a person taking pleasure in the premature death of another, even if it is only a TV show. My, what is must have been like for you watch the footage of Bosnia and Rwanda on the news. You probably were rolling ont the floor in hysterics.
"Kill all the Prussians and we'll have peace." A Saxon-German Soldier, 1914
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Nope. Some of us can tell the difference between real-life and television.
A lot of people take offense to the reply: "It's only a tv show!" but again, here's a case where it's a perfectly appropriate comment. Only a mental patient with the inability to discern what is real, from what is not, would consider the death of a fictional character the same as the death of a real, living human being.
JCS... Go lick a few envelopes so that you may leave this veil of tears. And take the rest of the stiffs with you. <g>
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Boycott it? Because you didn't like the plot twist? Guys, it's a TELEVISION SHOW! It's a COMEDY! Get over it.
[email] (Ben Forest) wrote:
What a unique perspective. I wonder why we never thought of that.
Monty
I agree, it was kinda funny in a very dark sort of way, but it left a bad feeling in my mouth. George was a loser before, and would weasel his way out of anything he could, but to wish his fiancee dead in a plane crash and then to not even grieve her death for a second, that seemed a little too much, even for George. Overall, I wasn't impressed.
.................hello Newman. You all need to loosen up. It was meant to be funny.
Due to technical difficulties I haven't really watched the season finale, but whatever they did couldn't be as bad as what the writers are doing on "Mad About You." I've only seen one complete episode, but I was flipping through channels during a commercial break recently and "treated" to the sight of Paul Reiser walking alone through NY with his tie undone and a morose look on his face as jazz played in the background. *That's* a sitcom?
GR
How would you walk around if you had been moved from Thursdays before Seinfeld to Sundays.
Has anyone realized that George had susan sign the pre-nup before she died? Will George get any of her money?
Probably not! Pre-nups only take effect after the wedding, in case of a divorce. They are not used the same way a will does.
I was disapointed Susan was killed off.
I thought Susan's character was a good contrast to Jerry, George, Elaine, and Krammer.
I would have liked to see George turn into a hen-pecked husband.
Besides, What's George going to do now for sex?
I was disapointed Susan was killed off.
I thought Susan's character was a good contrast to Jerry, George, Elaine, and Krammer.
I would have liked to see George turn into a hen-pecked husband.
Besides, What's George going to do now for sex?
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George had every intention of marrying her!
I responded:
Bill Chan piped in:
Maybe I didn't make myself clear, Prenuptial agreements are used to protect the assets of two people who are going to get married. They are not used to determine who obtains ownership of the assets upon death. The fact that "George had every intention of marrying her!" as you say, does not come into play. Her assets will be divided according to her will. If there is no will, her estate will go into probate. The specifics will vary by state, but the pre-nup, if George even followed through with the thing after she laughed in his face, has no effect.
Is it possible that George's engagement was written into the story with the intention that this past season was to be the shows last? That way they would have been able to marry George off in a series finale. Could the decision to do another season have been the true reason for Susan's demise?
Susan's death was a weak and unimaginative way to get rid of a character that I did not like anyway.
Yes, indeed, I thought the show's ending SUCKED. :-( How can the death of someone's baby daughter be funny? ABOUT AS GODDAMNED FUNNY AS O.J. PICKING UP NICOLE'S HEAD AND SLICING HER THROAT TO MAKE SURE THE WHITE BITCH WAS DEAD!! THAT'S HOW FUNNY I THOUGHT THE SHOW WAS!!
Timothy Hall wrote:
Get a grip guy it's only a show!
OK, OK...But I still thought it sucked, because it mocked someone's death whose character didn't hurt anyone!! :-(
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What's amazing is that Entertainment Weekly this week managed -- out of the whole incident -- to tie Seinfeld into the whole death culture thing even associating him with "shockudrama" videos and cybersnuff sites like http://www.deathnews.com which feature Quicktime of killings and mutilation.
What happened there?
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Just seeing the look on Susan's face as she keeled over made it all worthwhile.....