Last two seasons

Look, Seinfeld nerd that I am, this is bugging me,

All the episode guides I see list the last two seasons as the worst. I, however, think that season 7 (second to last) is the funniest. The TV Guide Episode Guide says that "everything misses" in the Kenny Rogers' Roasters episode. But that's one of my favorite episodes! I mean, yeah, the early ones were innovative and very funny. But I don't think George reached his potential until the engagement with Susan. That made us realize how pathetic he was and THAT is funny. Does everybody else in this group (whose opinion matters to me more than those TV guide eggheads) agree that the last two (or three, whatever) seasons were hilarious? Or is TV Guide right?

Just wondering,

Andy

"That can't be good for business." "That can't be good for anybody." - The Kenny Rogers' Roasters

My favorite line in this ep is from Newman : "Vile weed!"

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I feel one of the main reasons Jerry decided to end the show after the 9th season was this type of TV Guide criticism. How fair is it for one to have to compete against ones self? It's not like the 8th and 9th seasons of Seinfeld weren't the best comedy on tv. MAYBE they did not reach the high standards of comedy from the earlier seasons but lets remember the exit of Seinfeld from NBC's comedy lineup allowed such fabulous bombs as JENNY to see the light of day on network television. Maybe the critics would not have been so harsh with their criticism if they knew what kind of junk would come along in the absence of Jerry & the gang.

Andrew Louis Black wrote:

I agree with you about the next to last season (which is the 8th, not the 7th; the show ran nine years). I think it is a very underrated season, and TV Guide was unduly harsh on it. If you want a comparison, check out Entertainment Weekly's episode guide. They gave all of that season's episodes good marks, with the exception of "The English Patient". I enjoyed all of the episodes to one extent or another, and some were as innovative as the show's much heralded early episodes. "The Bizarro Jerry", "The Abstinence", "The Susie", and "The Yada Yada" rank high on my list of all-time favorites.

On Sat, 10 Jul 1999 16:24:53 -0500, Andrew Louis Black wrote:

My opinion is that the last couple of seasons, while still funny and and still some of the best TV available, had some of a falloff in quality. But even more than that, the show seemed to become a bit more bizarre and silly. More physical humor too. I think the best seasons of the show are middles ones, seasons three through seven. The first couple of seasons had some good episodes, but it was relatively inconsistent, and the characters hadn't come into their own yet.

Trevor Smithson wrote:

I agree. I think the last two years appealed more to younger viewers while the 3-7 years were appreciated by the more 'mature' audience. One is not necessarily better than the other, just different. The last two years also lacked a lot of the consistency of character that was developed earlier. Having Kramer afraid to go 'downtown' was completely opposite to this street-wise NYC native. Having Jerry pirate videos and take pride in it and having him attend an illegal cock-fight etc. were over the top for his personality. Having sex with the maid was OK though. :-)

I hate the way episodes are rated, I prefer to rate them myself.. My guide gives The Bris, a D-.. one of its lowest grades.. I don't know what they were watching.. In their defense, Most of the episodes they rated high, I would have also, i.e. The Contest, The Pool Guy, The Library, The Airport and the Marine Biologist Kp

Kevin Palmeri wrote:

That's the Entertainment Weekly guide, not the TV Guide one. They were also unduly harsh on a lot of the episodes, but in general, I agree with more of their ratings than TV Guide's. I don't think The Bris is one of their better episodes, but I wouldn't call it one of their worst, either. It deserves higher than a D-.

Although, in all honesty, you can't expect too much agreement with any one guide. If we all made our own personal episode guides and rated all the shows, I'm sure we'd each have disagreements with each of them.

TV Guide's overly critical of the late episodes. Some of them, like The Summer of George, were classics. Others, like The Betrayal from the final season, were groundbreaking TV comedy like no one else would ever have tried---and they seem to be better and funnier every time you see them. Every season had a few relatively weak episodes but 90% of each season's product was strong, and virtually all of it was better than the best of the other series on the air.

Bob Smith, afternoons WXXI-AM 1370, Rochester NY

I agree with you Andrew I like the 3 last seasons. What I really dislike is the last episode.

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again, which ranks in my top 5 (Rogers can't sell chicken in this town!)

I'm right with you on the finale. I was hoping that they'd return to status quo, just like they do every week. But instead they had to go with the whole jail ending, and what was basically a role call of all the minor characters. But I thought "The Slicer," "The Merv Griffin Set," "The Voice(?)," and the one where Kramer runs for president at Morty's retirement complex were all classics. Oh, and the one where George wants to leave on a high note . . . That is some of Jason Alexander's best stuff. But I don't know, I just feel that those two seasons weren't, as some say, busts.

Who knows? Who's to say?

I believe the high note George episode (I assume when he wanted to be fired from the Yankees) was from season eight, and was another one of the many classic episodes from that year...Season nine had some good stuff, "The Voice" was enjoyable, as was "The Wizard" and to a certain extent "The Slicer" and "The Dealership"...my favorite from the season had to be "The Serenity Now"...if only for Kramer's "Anytown, USA" line...

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Joemovie wrote:

No, he's referring to "The Burning", my favorite episode from season 9. In that one, George realizes that he can always manage one good joke at office meetings, so Jerry teaches him how to leave on a high note.

I like "The Wizard", and I think "The Slicer" is one of their more underrated episodes. I liked Puddy in "The Dealership", (next to "The Burning", it's probably his best episode) but there were other parts of that episode I found really annoying, like the running joke where everyone thinks Twix has coconut. Where did that come from?

I stand corrected...That was, if I recall correctly, a fairly good episode...then again, I don't think I recall correctly so...

Mindless dribble we know now as comedy...sadly it does work a bit...the casual mistake...of course I think it works better when one person says it, not every other character in the scene, and when it's said once, not on and on...In a recent script I wrote (I specalize in mindless dribble) one of my characters (an older lady) mentions that she never liked Easy Rider, too much nudity...no one else repeats the dribble, sure one other character stares at here with the "hu?" eye...but otherwise it's a simple one-liner...Coconut Twix would have worked as a one-liner...

Joemovie wrote:

Exactly. As a one-liner it might have worked. However, the problem comes when all of the other characters in the episode repeat the line. What's the point? To show how ignorant we as a society are about our candy bars?

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If that's true, it didn't work. If the point had been to show that George had been the only one who cared, that wouldn't explain why Kramer and the car salesman did it, too, since they didn't interact with George. It would have served the purpose much better to give a few characters a different mistaken idea about what a Twix bar contains. For instance, one person thinks it has coconut, and George corrects them. The next person he meets thinks it has peanuts, and George corrects them. Instead, they made every person in the whole episode think that Twix has coconut, regardless of whether they had any connection with George's candy plot or not. The way it came across was that everyone in this universe except George thinks that Twix has coconut in it. This is just too far removed from reality to serve any useful comedic purpose.

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I thought it was funny just the same :)

No, agree with the above above...that line would have worked as a one liner, and yes people making other mistakes as to what's in Twix would have possibly worked too, but you can't have the same so damn obvious mistake made bu every character and his father...now when it's a common mistake, that's different...but for something like Twix has coconut in it, a so obvious mistake that maybe one person thinking so can be true, but everybody...no!

Joemovie wrote:

Thank you, Joe. That's exactly how I feel. The entire subplot is based on the notion that everyone believes that Twix has coconut, which is simply not true. I'm not saying that everyone knows exactly what Twix contains, but if you asked ten people on the street, I wouldn't expect the same wrong answer ten times in a row.

Here's a comparison. I ask ten random people what the capital of New York is. They all say New York City. Although improbable, that's somewhatbelievable, since that is a common misconception. However, if they all say Syracuse, it would make me wonder what the hell was going on.

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First of all, although it's not the best choice, making that same mistake over and over again is worth at least a giggle... Second, I liked that part where everyone there started arguing about nonesense like "is it ten thousand or ten grand", and the old guy saying "In my days we could buy ___(some candybar name) for a nickel! A nickel!!!". I really liked that one.

P.S- Did you notice that more than half of this "last two seasons" thread discussed the cocunut in twix?? Now that's funny!!

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Yeah, I enjoyed that part too...nothing wrong with the thousand or ten thousand grand conversation (and the thrown in nickel)...it was Coconut Twix that got to us...

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What did you expect? It's an important point! Don't you care?

Ollie

I don't get Twix being the only candy bar with a cookie. I believe Kit Kat has a cookie inside. And I'm think that when Twix first came out, there was another cookie candy bar out that was looked like Twix'.

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That would be the Summit bar: "with chocolate, peanuts, and..... LIGHT!"

(Man, there's a couple wasted brain cells that could've been better spent).

--JKB

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Kit Kat has wafer. No cookie.

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But I believe it does contain coconut.

I don't understand how some people can say season eight was bad, I think next to season four that was the best season...season nine was a fair stinker, but season eight had some truley classic episodes...from "The Bizarro Jerry" to "The Little Jerry" and many others..."The Yada Yada," "The Chicken Roaster," "The Checks," "The Susie," "The English Patient," "The Nap," "The Muffin Tops," "The Little Kicks"...did I name the whole season? I'm sure I missed some classics though...

But season nine, the final season, did feel a little off to me...sure there was at least one truley classic episode, "The Serenity Now," but other than that it wasn't too great...and the finale still makes me feel sick..."be still my sickened stomach"...

Joemovie wrote:

You missed one of my favorites, "The Abstinence", which I think of as a companion piece to "The Opposite".

I thought "The Serenity Now", "The Burning", "The Voice", and even "The Betrayal" were all great. Some others were solid, but the final season as a whole was horribly uneven. The majority of episodes had one or two plotlines that totally stank, and at times, the show became almost painful to watch. Although I, like you, despise the way they ended it, I do think they picked the right time to end it. Season 10 probably would have been full of episodes like "The Bookstore".

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The Guide gave a fair number of episodes in the last two seasons three or more stars. (Such as The Serenity Now.) The writer particularly seemed enamored of Puddy. The one with the car lot got three stars, while a lot of people here hate it.