diversity on seinfeld

Charles Lindy asks why there are no African-Americans in Seinfeld's New York - The EEO officer who was visited by Elaine and later shows up indulging in multiple meals at the diner was an African-American

And if it matters, so was the friend of Jerrys that pulled in to the good parking space that George had claimed.

And the young Marine soldier who meets Jerry in the diner and informs him that his (Jerry's) "outing" has encouraged him (the soldier) to go out as well.

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Just to keep it going...all mentioned are characters minor enough NOT to be watching the pilot of "Jerry" on the season finale. Not so?

Charlie "good comments so far, folks" Lindy

The marine was not African-American. He was caucasian. Yes, it is strange that seinfeld doesn't have any African-American regulars. Why is that anyways???

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grau@pollux (sprockets) writes:

Here's another interesting question: Why is it that when those trying to promote `family values' complain about violence, sex, and bad language (I'm not really talking about Seinfeld here), the response is often that these are very real parts of our society and it's silly to try to shelter people from them or pretend they don't exist, but, when the complaint is that a white guy's inner circle of friends is all white, we suddenly take the stance that television has an obligation to present images of diversity, whether those images are very realistic or not?

It is my experience that very frequently a person's inner circle of friends are of the same race as the person---not always, but very frequently. One side's unrealistic image of how society should be is ridiculed, the other side's unrealistic image of how society should be is enforced (or self-enforced) on the television and movie industry. Why can't we just say Seinfeld's group of friends represents a common reality?

Of course there also was that African American man who used the pay phone when George was done getting the negative results of his biopsy (for the "little ...white......THING" on his lip).

To answer Charles Lindy's statment that no black people were seen watching "Jerry": There was the black (from Senegal?) maid to the old man from whom a great deal of records were stolen. She and George ended up having an encounter involving baby oil at the end of that particular episode.

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I am one of those who would love to see more funny African American characters on TV.(especially after the decline of In Living Color and Saturday Night Live's inability to come up with even one decent skit which involves a Black character).

Now I don't think Seinfeld should put in a black actor just for the sake of diversity. But I am sure they can add in a couple of semi-regular balck characters and see how it works. However, they should be able to come up with a funny script before they do it. I always wondered how George Wallace(pretty funny black comedian, especially at talk shows) would be in this show. Who knows? Seinfeld with his extensive club experience may be able to come up with a way to add an extra member(black or white for that matter) without diturbing the chemistry between the four regulars. Maybe someone on a twice a month basis.

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^^^^^ I would personally object to seeing any "balck" characters on the show. :-) But I think Seinfeld could probably add a semi-regular African-American character (sorta like Newman).

Concerning the lack of African Americans on Seinfeld, I doubt Jerry's going to mess with the core members, meaning I dont think he'll add anyone to the central 4, but maybe on a few episodes next season.

Here's another question, do you all think that the old characters watching the show meant to close them out, so that they can start fresh next season? Except, of course, Jerry's parents.

And I wonder if that Greenpeace guy will show up next season and try to win Elaine.

Unrelated, but who out there thinks Jerry and Elaine will eventually end up together?

Sorry about the diversity of this letter :)

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The best way to kill a show is to ruin the chemistry between a strong male character and a strong female character by having them chase each other around the parlor week after week.

Think about it: when re-runs of Cheers are playing, how often do you not watch any of the two seasons with Sam and Diane in lust? And why did the Finale of Cheers stink? Because of Shelly Long being there.

Here's one strong vote for Jerry and Elaine staying pals forever ...

Sean

i can think of several shows where the "will they or won't they (end up together)?" added alot to the plot.

-- cheers (sammy with diane or rebecca) {Sean denounced this one} -- who's the boss? (tony and angela) -- night court (harry and christine)

of course we al know that seinfeld has NO PLOT!!!

In article [email] (young-sup lee) writes:

Not to mention "Scarecrow and Mrs. King". And, of course, the amazing sexual tension every week on 20/20.

One question...  Why is Who's the Boss mentioned in the same article as
Seinfeld and Cheers??   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
				^-------Quite possibly the worst show that
					it past the first season...

In article , [email] (()) writes:

Hey Peoples! A whole newsgroup dedicated to a show actually worthy of discussion. I'm continually thrilled by the amount of irony and plot-loops which show up in Seinfeld episodes. A sitcom with intelligence! Anyway, on to my points...perhaps "Who's the Boss" is mentioned in the same article as "Seinfeld" and "Cheers" to make the latter two look that much better! Hehehe...to me, they are at the opposite ends of the sitcom spectrum. "Seinfeld" and "Cheers" being good and "Who's the Boss" being evil. Oh well, I guess I shouldn't be too hard on "Who's...", after all, it makes more $ from one rerun on any obscure local station in the hills of the "blue-people" here in Kentucky than I've made in my entire life:) Also, I agree that the tension between the male and female leads can ruin a show but, I think, that the union of the leads kill it quicker. It works in movies because they can end it right there. Anyway, that tension makes and breaks shows lots of times. Personally, I think "Seinfeld" is beyond that. They don't need it because the writing is good enough so that they need not rely on such a generic, just-add-water plot like that. Hopefully, "Northern Exposure" (another of my faves) has writers that can deal with Joel and Maggie in a way that won't kill the show...I'm pretty hopeful. BTW, my favorite episode is probably "The Limo"...but it's so hard to choose!

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