STUPIDITY! ABSURDITY!

I would like to start with saying that I am one of the few who have been here since episode ONE, taping and watching EVERY week. That said, I feel entitled to say the following: SIENFELD SUCKS!! WHAT THE HELL IS WITH THIS SEASON?!?! IT'S STUPID, CONTRIVED, FORCED, AND JUST PLAIN _NOT FUNNY_!! I can't believe I'm saying this, but I am considering not watching anymore. Anyone who hasn't jumped on the bandwagon recently MUST agree with me. It's supposed to be REAL:

THAT's what made it (past tense) so funny. Waiting for a table in a restaurant, it happens, that's funny. Getting trapped in a subway car; it's happened to me, it happens all the time, it's absurd, THAT'S funny. GIVE ME A BREAK! Pig-man???? Suicide on your car? Bris? Stupid. NOT funny.

The worst thing that ever happened to Seinfeld was its becoming "a hit." It's too bad; it was the best show I'd ever seen...

Brent

Finally. Somebody had the guts to say it. This season is a shell of seasons past. I have not laughed out loud once at any of the new episodes. Is this Seinfeld or Three's Company?

I loved the Sein,

Bob

In article [email] writes:

I ALSO MUST TOTALLY AGREE. What a STUPID show last night.

This season 'Seinfeld' is not written like the great show of the past - a show about 'NOTHING'. The situations are not real - - - too much like a typical sitcom.

Maybe Jerry Seinfeld and Larry David have been in the fantasy life of Hollywood a little too long. They should think about coming back to NYC and getting a hit of reality. They better wise up or their ratings may slack off. And worse yet, that could lead to the show being cancelled.

THE COST OF FAME - WHAT A SHAME!!!

Haydee

In article [email] (Haydee C. Rodriguez) writes: B

The worst part is that their ratings are better/as good as ever. The more new episodes I see, the more new fans I hear about, the more contempt I have for the new following. I heard some guy talking about the show the other day and wanted to tell him to shut the hell up. It was like listening to the Chris Farley Show: remember that part...uh.. when that guy came in the door real fast...huh...that was funny.

Maybe I just need to cool out. I wonder if fans of the Honeymooners ever felt like this.

[email] (Tom Mahaffey,ms93,2112,0000000) writes:

Oh please! Like you and your little clique of "original" viewers are somehow superior to someone who hasn't seen every episode? I've never understood the snobbish attitude some people develop when some show or band that had previously enjoyed a cult-like following all of a sudden becomes popular. Perhaps I should write you for permission next time I want to watch "your" show?

I think so. So recent epidsodes haven't been as good as old episodes. So what? Even at its worst, Seinfeld is better than 90% of the tripe on TV nowadays.

[email] (Cam Ritchie) writes:

You are 100% correct. (Problem is, it used to be better than 99%.)

I don't feel superior at all. The main beef I have with the new season is that before, no matter where they were in the ratings, the show was fresh and mainstream-free. Even when Home Improvement was kicking their ass to near-cancellation the crew at Seinfeld was turning out the best show on TV. As revenues from the show have increased, many viewers have noticed hum-drum TV creeping in.

I do, however, feel like I was part of a cult following. Unfortunately, when a show/band makes it big there are inevitable changes. Sometimes the changes are for the better, but I can't help but feel the new Seinfeld episodes are inferior to earlier ones.

I'll still watch the show--it's just not as fun being a Seinfeld-fanatic. Jeez, when Jay Leno surveys 10 people on the streets of NY and all 10 claim that Seinfeld or STeinfeld is their favorite TV show, one might think it's time to get a new favorite. Not because I'm a superior TV aficionado, not because I'm a TV elite, but only because finding new interests is an interest of mine.

In article , [email] writes... {In article , writes:

{> THAT's what made it (past tense) so funny. Waiting for a {> table in a restaurant, it happens, that's funny. Getting {> trapped in a subway car; it's happened to me, it happens {> all the time, it's absurd, THAT'S funny. {> GIVE ME A BREAK! Pig-man???? Suicide on your car? {> Bris? Stupid. NOT funny

{Finally. Somebody had the guts to say it. This season is a shell of seasons {past. I have not laughed out loud once at any of the new episodes. Is this {Seinfeld or Three's Company? { I agree, for the most part. A few flashes of funny, but otherwise, contrived and ridiculous scenarios. Particularly the orgasm episode this year. That was truly awful...

In article writes:

Whoaa, down Simba ! You seem to be forgetting George drugging his boss, shoplifting, and getting shackled to a bed.. Kramer slamming a table in a Restaurant to get Joe Dimaggio's (sp ?) attention. Jerry talking to a naked guy on the subway etc.. etc..etc. I would not call these "REAL" at all. Seinfeld has always (well almost always) been a little absurd. I think that your memory is just a little over-selective.

Pig-man was HILARIOUS. Especially Kramer's initial reaction to him. *Very* well done !! And if you have ever seen a yuppie couple with a newborn (I have, many times) that is *exactly* the way they behave, right down to the gory details of birth and breast feeding in front of everyone.(yup,I'm a throw back to the Victorian age, so sue me)

I too have been "aboard" since the first season, and I *may* have
understood (not agreed with) your statement if you had come forward at the
start of the second season, but man you are way past the point of critiques
on "Seinfeld absurdity" now.
You sound like one of those guys that stops listening to a band when they
start to play to crowds of more than 300; though their music hasn't changed.
And that's O.K. if that's your bag. Just don't be alarmed when someone brings
this behavior to your attention.
FRANK
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In article writes:

IMHO, I think the writers/producers may be running out of material. Hopefully this is a temporary shortage and new ideas will come. I don't remeber this idea being bought up before, but it probably has been.

Just think about it. Haven't the shows of days gone by been centered around JS's standup act? JS is no old fogie, but he has had a considerable amount of time to mull over a *finite* number of ideas. Well, after a few seasons the well may be dry. From what I can tell, doing a TV show takes up most of one's time. Hence, JS goes on tour and does mostly old material. Why no new standup act? Why does he go on Leno and rehash some old bit? Maybe the guy's got his hands full...

But I don't think the show has been a total disaster this season. For the most part I think the characters have had their personalities multiplied. For instance, Kramer has really gone whack-o this season. It may just be me, but it seems like half his lines have erupted from his mouth. Personally, I prefer a calm, cool "The little man knows all" to an explosive "PIG MAN!"

I also think the situations would have worked in the past. With the exception of the stupid suicide on the car, I didn't think last night's show was anyting out of the ordinary. A bris could work. Kramer imagining a pig man....well....not *way* out of character. We're talking about a guy who swore he saw S Rushdie. The moyel (I have no idea how to spell this) was indeed the worst character I've seen on the show. If I could combine Kramer and George--that was him. I'll still keep watching, but I *do* hope the show gets tuned-down a little bit.

I'm a huge Kramer fan. He's my favorite character, by far.

However, the intimidate-the-doctor scene flopped, I think, particularly when he did the porky pig "that's all folks" thing. It didn't work for me.

And if it's a live audience, there was delayed and then subdued laughter to the porky pig bit.

Barbara J. White Carnegie Mellon University Writer/Editor II Software Engineering Institute, room 4318

[email] writes in article :

That's the penalty you pay when you create a show that is about "nothing". ;)

In the midst of all the screaming about Seinfeld absurdities, I'd like to point out one thing from last night's show that was realistic, hum-drum, perfectly in character and, yes, funny.

Drumroll....

George being so enthralled at getting a good parking space that he stands in the hospital window admiring it, completely ignoring baby and parents. And, of course, he feels compelled to tell *everyone* about the great parking spot.

Not uproariously funny, but the kind of small touch that sets Seinfeld apart, even when the show is about something.

 John C Persons wrote to All on the subject of:
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Hi John...

|JCP>In the midst of all the screaming about Seinfeld absurdities,... |JCP>Drumroll.... | |JCP>George being so enthralled at getting a good parking space that |JCP>he stands in the hospital window admiring it, completely ignoring |JCP>baby and parents. And, of course, he feels compelled to tell |JCP>*everyone* about the great parking spot.

Yes, I have to agree here. That was a delightful little sequence; I could see myself doing that! I work in San Francisco, and finding a parking place is something to celebrate! <g>

|JCP>Not uproariously funny, but the kind of small touch that sets |JCP>Seinfeld apart, even when the show is about something.

Right, it was a smiler, not sufficient for guffaw status, but the thing about it was that it was HUMAN, to which one could easily relate. Most of the rest of the show had ordinary sit-com status, for me. Maybe next week will be better (hope springs eternal). <g>

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Put together on Saturday, 10/16/93 at about 00:14:27. --- {TLX 3} - Expanding universe? Why can't I find a parking space?

Hi Brent,

|IO>SIENFELD SUCKS!! WHAT THE HELL IS WITH THIS SEASON?!?! |IO>IT'S STUPID, CONTRIVED, FORCED, AND JUST PLAIN _NOT FUNNY_!! | |IO>GIVE ME A BREAK! Pig-man???? Suicide on your car? |IO>Bris? Stupid. NOT funny.

Right, NOT funny. Disappointing. Darn.

|IO>The worst thing that ever happened to Seinfeld was its |IO>becoming "a hit." It's too bad; it was the best show I'd |IO>ever seen...

Unfortunately, you're probably right. Yes, it was the best in a long time.

Now that we agree, would you please let me know if you receive this? I am new at this and this is my first time posting in this conference via a BBS that makes it possible. I'm not sure how it works because all the mail in this conference is addressed to "all"..... curious.

Thanks much.

My address is: [email]

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Put together on Friday, 10/15/93 at about 04:06:08. --- {TLX 3} - DOS this always have to happen to me?

Hate the new season.

Calvin

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Unfortunately, I have to agree. The characters all began as caricatures, but they have now grown into caricatures of caricatures. Kramer was hilarious when he was eccentric, i.e. the Cuban cigars. This Pig Man thing was way over the top. George has gone from a neurotic hard luck case to a pathetic loser.

Last night, I found myself switching over to the football game during commercials and not minding if I didn't get back in time.

It's sad, but every decent show seems to go this way. Cosby, Cheers, etc. all were funny when they were fresh but deteriorated into a routine.

Kudos to Cam Ritchie! I couldn't have said it any better. :)

(My $0.02 worth)

I totally agree with you!!! I have been watching since week one. This season sucks, and the worst part about it is all the people I just convinced to watch it. They hate it 'cause all they've seen is this season. Wish it had never become a hit!!! Swimfin

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Brent -
	What you are pointing to may just be an inevitable thing that happens
to any show/star/group that grows suddenly in popularity.  As Seinfeld gets
more popular, Jerry himself is sort of stuck in a certain way:  he needs to
keep coming up with stuff that is *more* original than what he's already done.
If he doesn't, people just say, "He's just doing the same show, over and over
with slight variations, like Three's Company."  There's a tension between
creating something new and retaining the best of the old.  Look at Robin
Williams - I love him dearly, but I haven't heard an original joke from him in
a long time (during interviews, that is).
	Someone will always complain about the career decisions made by famous
people.  This doesn't mean that you're wrong, but Jerry is trying to keep
himself alive in the nasty world of entertainment.
	You may never get your true Jerry back again.
				~~~David~~~

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While I haven't been watching the show *quite* that long, I have to agree. The pig-man was *really* going too far, though having known a few people as wacked out as Kramer (hell, he's SANE compared to some of the folks I've known!), I admit that it's in the realm of possibility...

I just watched an interview with Jerry from the Tonight Show the other day, one I had on an old tape. (It was with Johnny, so it was a while back.) In it he described teh show as being about everyday things, & played a clip of "The Jacket" as an example. That was great. Everyone has had something like that happen to them. Even though the acting was AWFUL, it was HILARIOUS.

The acting has gotten a little better, but some of the newer shows have been p-r-e-t-t-y weak (imagine Elaine's voice there...). I still laugh, Seinfeld is still the only show I catch every week, but other than the season premier, nothing this season has measured to the previous ones..

In article , I wrote:

Whoops! I should have said "The Shirt". I think that must have been the name. It was the one where he gets his shirt shrunk at the dry cleaners. I had "The Jacket" on the tape next, so I got confused.