NO, U GUYZ SUCK

Seinfeld is the best show ever. Not only did they adequately employ the superman-esque "League of Villans" (with Newman heading them all)idea tonite, but they mocked all the suckerz who say that it's the yuppies like them that are what's "wrong" with our society. I mean, you can't be more tactful than when they all "awwed" at the Princess Di, although it's her *fault* that they're in prison now. Also, the "Jerry as a failure" theme was fulfilled...Geaorge got his 15 minutes...the Elaine/Jerry match-up was danced upon...and the 2nd button conversation that started the whole show ended it. I knew that I wasn't gunna B disappointed ever since the backwards episode. Jerry and Larry and all the rest proved me right. All you fanboyz couldn't have done anything nearly as intelligent, funny, self-referential, etc., etc., etc.

Anybody who says the finale sucks is a moron. The Finale was a classic. The Best episode of the series. It certainly did live up to all the hype. Larry David did a great job. All the posts about why the finale sucks all have shitty reasons. Give me a good reason why the episode isn't good. THAT EPISODE RULES!

OK, how about because it wasn't funny? I turned the TV off and went shopping after they got arrest. Made it back in time for the verdict. I think the conclusion was appropriate, but I don't think the episode was any good.

Kenny

David Ren wrote in message ...

Uh... it wasn't *funny*. And the 4 main characters just sat there with no lines for half of the show. Aren't those reasons enough?

You must live close to a shopping center.

Kenny Abernathy wrote in article ...

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You are an idiot if you think was good. There was no creative writing whatsoever. The Geraldo thing was boring ... the guy and his girl can't even act. I was unbearable. They had Wayne Knight and they didn't use him.

True dat. BUT, on the subject of the show, whut you guyz are missing is the point that the Seinfeld crew definitely wasn't saying that the 4 needed to be punished. The baby boomaz that the big S represents, and all their indifference, were the persecuted ones. Jackie wrapped it up with the "This is America..." line. But in addition to this message (becuz I think we all want the option of doing nothing, too), Larry David performed another impressive feat by proving that he knows the Seinfeld universe better than any of us. OK, now I guess I can tolerate a few or you guys being confounded by the irregularly high number of loose ends. But the loose ends that you really need to be concerned with are the ones that were left hanging BEFORE tonite's finale. The universe of the 4 has always been a very carefully balanced one, where sneezing in someone's food can compromise a pilot, and cutting off someone that you went to a movie with years ago (Mario Joyner as Judas?) can destroy your car. It's only right that the loose endz from years ago (Bubble Boy, Babu, Soup Nazi, Cidra, & da virgin ("you people have a pet name for everyone!")) should come crashing down upon the gang. Anyway, I also though that it was FUNNY. I know the water in the ear thing seemed contrived, but when you think about it, the joke worked at the end (when it clearz out) for 2 reasons. The first is because it shows that undeniable K-man optimism, and the second is because the relief transcends the situation. And Jerry's prison material was gold (especially because it bombed).

It sucked because it was based on the premise that 1) we wanted to see the 4 of them "pay" for thir sins (which most of us don't), 2) that it pandered to the lowest rung i.e. "give the fans a bit of what they want" i.e. Jerry and Elaine - love? Firey ending = plane crash? The resurrection of "Jerry!" - yuck. and 3) too many guest stars and threads left unresolved. oh, and 4) that they would go to jail for this "crime" - absurd. on and 5) that it HAD A PLOT. Hardly fitting for a show "about nothing." Any other questions?

<Subject: The Finale From: "David Ren" Date: Thu, May 14, 1998 5:37 PM Message-id:

Anybody who says the finale sucks is a moron. The Finale was a classic. The Best episode of the series. It certainly did live up to all the hype. Larry David did a great job. All the posts about why the finale sucks all have shitty reasons. Give me a good reason why the episode isn't good. THAT EPISODE RULES!

[email] (MrPither12) wrote:

I think it was depressing, but not altogether inappropriate. It wasn't a classic in terms of actually being funny (unfortunate for a show that always made comedy the highest priority) but it had a very nostalgic feel that was nice. It seemed almost like a big dream sequence...unreal. The weakest point was probably the contrivedness of the "good samaritan" law. Still, there's some irony there: They went to jail essentially for doing nothing--exactly what they've always done.

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I thought the last episode was great! I have spent the last 30 minutes reading this newsgroup and have not been swayed by one negative review I read there. Seriously, after 9 years George's fate is in the hands of Art Vandelay. ART VANDELAY! (someone actually wrote that he should have been an architect- what sense would that have made? think about it- why would it be funny for the 4 to run into an architect?)

George admits in a panic that he cheated on The Contest. Heck, I always suspected that, no way could George, of all the characters, won that contest. Elaine almost says something important to Jerry, then afterwards neither will discuss it (still emotionally immature).

How can anyone not like Kramer's ear-water problem and actually like any other physical comedy the Kramer chr has done in the last 9 years? Just try and separate Kramer's door entrances from falling into the pilot's door.

But best of all, the characters who they pigeon-holed, made up cruel nick-names for, and ruined the lives of, had their revenge on the NY 4. I mean, when I saw Brian Doyle-Murray at the door of the courtroom I practically burst into tears. I knew immediately who was behind the door. When they gave the Soup Nazi's real name, I sat there stunned, he was back. It was exactly the finale show they should have had. Very reminiscent of the episode where the Jerry pilot runs on tv and they cut to the people watching it.

even better that chrs like Poppy didn't have any general comments, some guest chrs were more "bystanders" than others. Sure mickey was there, but what could he say, what SHOULD he have said. Absolutely nothing, he and Keith Hernandez had no real beefs with Seinfeld, they were just showing their support.

But even more so, it let the characters know that their behavior the last 9 years *was* shallower than anyone else's in their universe. I mean, George was uncaring about Susan's death and it came back to punish him. Deus Ex Machina, but in a good way.

If anyone has ever seen a series finale before (Mary Tyler Moore, MASH, Ellen, others that were referenced this week), you are already aware that it is a matter of genre that they look back at the past run of the series and they offer closure. That is exactly what this episode did- it closed the books and righted the scales on much of the wrong that the characters did to the inhabitants of their world. Whatever the writers were to have done, they would have had to address much of what the characters did- that's western literature, baby.

The it-was-all-a-dream sequence was already done by Newhart- there would be no reason to re-do that Wizard of Oz schtick. Larry and Jerry are smarter than that.

lastly, the fact that the selfish chrs got theirs and the wiles of Jackie Chiles (did you see their faces when he asked the sheriff (sp?) if a black man ever came to his house) failed in the face of home-spun law-and-order was some kind of post-ironic justice. In the end the 4 were attacked by the Mayberryans that their "new-comedy" replaced. They were ambushed by a "Very Special Seinfeld." It's an episode rich on many levels. Don't knee-jerk react, analyze and think!

Don

ps- if anything, they should have beefed up the accusations segment by 5 minutes.

pps- No contracts have been reportedly been signed for Seinfeld TV movies, although writer friends in Hollywoodland say that NBC has "scheduled" 3 1-2 hr specials for the 98-99 sweeps weeks. Personally, I think that's wishful thinking on NBC's part, but don't pretend to know the veracity of any of this. It *is* conceivable that those specials could just be Jerry Seinfeld specials (ala the NBC work that Steve Martin did in the early 80s) and not reunions of the series. There's alway semantical trouble when star and title match.

So, what's your point? That if I can't write a sitcom, then I'm not allowed to like or dislike one?