"Nine Pretty Darn Angry Men" in a nutshell

//==========================\\ II Episode Number: 42 II Title: "Nine Pretty Darn Angry Men" II P-Code: [Lousy split-screen . . . ] II Written by: Jim Dauterive II Directed by: Shaun Cashman \\==========================//

Review: I won't hold it against the episode, but I'm getting awfully sick of Cotton Hill's large roles on the show. I can remember a few occasions on which I felt like strangling him. C'mon, let's give the Hills a break and give Hank's dad some time off for a while. As for the rest, it was funnier than the last two weeks, but I wish Peggy and the kids could've had more to do (Yes, I know the point was that Peggy didn't get to do anything, but *something* could've been done to lengthen her involvement, dont'cha think?).

"Home Alone 2?!?!??!!?!?!?!?!" I think one of FOX's program managers must've been reading the wrong schedule, and confused 1993 with 1998. <g>

JEdraw wrote: ] ] //==========================\\ ] II Episode Number: 42 ] II Title: "Nine Pretty Darn Angry Men" ] II P-Code: [Lousy split-screen . . . ] ] II Written by: Jim Dauterive ] II Directed by: Shaun Cashman ] \\==========================// ] ] Review: I won't hold it against the episode, but I'm getting awfully sick of ] Cotton Hill's large roles on the show. I can remember a few occasions on which ] I felt like strangling him.

Oh, he's not in _that_ many episodes, and we're _supposed_ to feel like strangling him every once in a while. And we're not likely to see how Didi's pregnancy is progressing unless he shows up. It's two months later in cartoon time from when she looked (to me) to be seven months pregnant, and now she looks to be eight or nine months pregnant. Meanwhile, the truck is red again instead of the white paint job it had after the pageant. Didi showed a little depth this time, too.

] C'mon, let's give the Hills a break and give ] Hank's dad some time off for a while. As for the rest, it was funnier than the ] last two weeks, but I wish Peggy and the kids could've had more to do (Yes, I ] know the point was that Peggy didn't get to do anything, but *something* ] could've been done to lengthen her involvement, dont'cha think?).

I don't know about that. I pretty much lost sympathy for her after the nightmare incident, so the results of the pageant and the shoe repair didn't break my heart.

I agree completely. In fact, if Cotton never showed up again, I would be very happy. My wife, who hates the Simpsons but loves KOTH, has pretty much said that she won't watch any more episodes with Cotton in them, and I don't blame her. I'm sure there are plenty of other people that feel the same way.

Any writers/producers still following this newsgroup? PLEASE GET RID OF COTTON!!!! There's nothing funny about being vicious to your son, your wife, your ex-wife (what is so funny about calling your ex-wife a lousy lay at Thanksgiving dinner?), and your daughter-in-law? There is not a single redeeming positive quality about Cotton as currently written. At least all the other characters with flaws have some redeeming qualities. COTTON MUST GO!

Rick

Uh... I actually think Cotton is pretty funny at times. Remember his description of how he got his shins shot off?

Besides, the whole point of the character is that he doesn't have any redeeming characteristics.

[email] wrote:

] Rick Diamant wrote: ]> Any writers/producers still following this newsgroup? PLEASE GET RID OF ]> COTTON!!!! There's nothing funny about being vicious to your son, your wife, ]> your ex-wife (what is so funny about calling your ex-wife a lousy lay at ]> Thanksgiving dinner?), and your daughter-in-law? There is not a single ]> redeeming positive quality about Cotton as currently written. At least all ]> the other characters with flaws have some redeeming qualities. COTTON MUST ]> GO! ] ] Uh... I actually think Cotton is pretty funny at times. Remember his ] description of how he got his shins shot off? ] ] Besides, the whole point of the character is that he doesn't have any ] redeeming characteristics.

Yeah, and Buckley didn't have any redeeming qualities that I noticed, either. At least Cotton served with the forces that guard his nation's way of life and lived to father Hank and his future sibling. It's hard to say even that much for Buckley. There has to be someone to serve up for this year's cliff-hanger. In real life there are people who have problems that make them unpleasant to say the least, and we can't always just write them out of a script. In a work of fiction there has to be someone to allow others to appear noble. Cotton serves a purpose. Not everything in a cartoon has to be funny.

Yeah. If I remember correctly, Cotton got his shins blown off defending Texas in WWII ---------- In article , R J Valentine wrote:

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I think if they toned down Cotton's nastiness, he would be a good nemesis. If anyone here watched Roseanne, you would remember Bev, R's mom. When it became apparent that she would be a regular character instead of a recurring one, I thought they had to be kidding; they couldn't possibly have her come on almost every week and have us believe that the other characters would tolerate her. Instead, she became less mean and more just consistently annoying, and she turned out to be a major attraction. So far, every episode with Cotton has ended with Hank telling him what's what, and if we know that's how the episode is always going to end, there's no suspense. But if they toned down Cotton just a little, so he's just an obnoxious shellshocked vet, but not evil, he'd be a great character.

I think that's why the joke was supposed to be funny. Hank told Bobby that Cotton lost his shins defending Texas during WWII. ---------- In article , "Johnny Rhyne" wrote:

as little as i like him, i must admit Cotton's an attentive grandpa to Bobby........gotta wonder if that'd be the case were Bobby a girl, though...............

[email] wrote:

] as little as i like him, i must admit Cotton's an attentive grandpa to ] Bobby........gotta wonder if that'd be the case were Bobby a girl, ] though...............

Me, too (you should pardon the expression). But that just makes it almost certain that Didi is carrying a girl. It can't be long now.

J-Mag Guthrie wrote:

] Cotton has exactly *one* redeeming moment -- when he correctly identifies ] Kahn as being Laotian.

Maybe another (given the skill): that he doesn't speculate at all about Joseph's heritage.

In article , a man who claims to be [email] (Rick Diamant) wrote:

You go to Hell! How dare you desecrate the name of a noble soldier who fought for this country before the UN took it over! You only wish you could live up to the standard set by such a patriot. And I bet your wife is no beauty like Cotton's wife Didi. In fact your woman's probably making a fool out of you right now. It's a shame perfectly good shins are being wasted on a worthless traitor like yourself. Cotton was right, yer nuthin but a Santa Ana luvin' Benedict Arlen!

Dale Gribble wrote:

And, we can't forget, he gave back the Mexican's Santy Anny leg after they gave him his license.

Matt Lupo

Rick Diamant wrote:

] There is not a single ] redeeming positive quality about Cotton as currently written. At least all ] the other characters with flaws have some redeeming qualities.

I don't know why I didn't think of it earlier, given that they repeated the episode right after the Thanksgiving episode; but, not only does Buckley make Cotton look almost human, Bobby's boss at the race track (Jimmy Whitcher, maybe?) makes Cotton look almost like a saint.

The Colonel has a lot of negative qualities, but almost everyone on the show but Dale is fully aware of them, so it's not like he is being held up as a role model. I've known worse in real life.

In article , R J Valentine wrote:

But Buckley (before being blown up) was never on for more than a couple of seconds in most episodes. If Cotton was on about the same amount of time, he probably wouldn't bother me as much. But I still wouldn't like him. If Witcher became a regular, I'm sure I wouldn't like him either. He was mildly amusing as a guest character, until he ordered Bobby to cross the track while the race was going on.

Rick

Rick Diamant wrote:

Agreed, but you must admit, it was gratifying to see Hank kicking his ass.

Matt Lupo

G. M. Lupo wrote in article ...

Yeah, That was pretty cool. Normally, he just says "I'm going to kick your ass!", but never does. It's nice to see him actually do it.

Johnny Rhyne wrote: ] ] G. M. Lupo wrote in article ... ]> Rick Diamant wrote: ]> ]> > If Witcher became a regular, I'm sure I wouldn't like him either. He ]> > was mildly amusing as a guest character, until he ordered Bobby to ]> > cross the track while the race was going on. ]> ]> Agreed, but you must admit, it was gratifying to see Hank kicking his ]> ass. ] ] Yeah, That was pretty cool. Normally, he just says "I'm going to kick your ] ass!", but never does. It's nice to see him actually do it.

Most of the guys know better than to mess with Hank. Dale climbs the fence if necessary. Bill tries, but falls back (which does the job _for_ Hank). John Redcorn's hair billows up, so you know he understands on a deep level. Bureaucrats hop in their cars and drive off. Hank is one running back whose bluff you don't call. Boomhauer probably understands that best. Even Dale hasn't come out in favor of global warming since that first episode.

{{{John Redcorn's hair billows up, so you know he understands on a deep level.}}}

I think John Redcorn's hair billowing up is a Native American way of saying, "Oh yeah?".

Rilchiam wrote:

] {{{John Redcorn's hair billows up, so you know he understands on a ] deep level.}}} ] ] I think John Redcorn's hair billowing up is a Native American way of saying, ] "Oh yeah?".

Could be. It billowed up with the used-knife scene of the hunting episode and it billowed up in the Wematanye scene of the Order of the Straight Arrow episode. I thought it was wildly funny when it also billowed up when Hank laid down the law at the trailer in the headache episode.

I haven't noticed Joseph's hair billowing up, though.

Rilchiam wrote:

I'm waiting for the garbage to get piled up high in the alley so that we can see a close up of a single tear sliding down John Redcorn's cheek. . . .

I think KOTH already parodied those ads. Bill said something about the native Americans, then we saw the close up of the tear.

Metlhd3138 wrote:

O.K.., O.K. (thinks for a moment) How about a scene where we hear a pithy Native American comment from John Redcorn, see the usual billowing of the hair on his head, then pull back to see that he's just standing in front of an electric fan?

I think Cotton is a hoot. ---------- In article , [email] (Rick Diamant) wrote:

Looking back, I'd say you're right. I may be overreacting to the "Oh no, not again!" feeling I experienced when he showed up at the Hills' house yesterday.

I guess it's the writers' triumph if a character can be as annoying as they want him to be, while still being (in his own little way) funny.

On 18 Nov 1998 02:32:12 GMT, [email] (JEdraw) wrote:

No kidding, but I they're doing it because of the holiday week - they are replaying the Lost World the next Wednesday as well.

Brad

I liked this episode a lot. But you were right about Cotton's large roles. As much as I like KoTH, Cotton is my least favorite character, not to mention the most annoying, IMHO. They should cut back on the Cotton, no pun intended! ;)

CMJ wrote:

I don't much care for Cotton myself, but I did like his introduction on this show, "I'm Cotton Hill. I killed 50 men!"

What exactly did Cotton do for a living?

Matt Lupo