Where Do These *Fantabulous Hilarious Toons Come From Anyhow?

It all starts in a 500 watt cartoon factory in the Orient. <"500 watts" is an ****allusion to an actor named Ted Knight ("Ted Baxter") who single-handidly deflated tv news star egos for all time.>

Sweating drawers painstakingly follow the directions e-mailed from the ancient 21st Century Fox Cartoon Bldg designed from a **Miro print purchased at the franchised 98 cent plus sales tax store on the chique-chic ***Road-A-Ho Boulevard in Arlyn. <THE SIMPSONS did a version of such as self-parody.>

de-scrambler notes

*fantabulous was a term (combining fantastic and fabulous) used by radio dee-jays

** Miro used fantabulous color splash. Did he inspire "rotogravure color comics ?" Je ne sais pas (search me).

***the actual Beverly Hillbillies shopped on Rodeo Road.

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Continuing an ad hoc unofficial-incomplete historical perspective behind today's acutely satirical cutting edge cartoons:

KATZENJAMMER KIDS: I skimmed 'em. Sometimes bought the 10 or 15 cent comic, though not a big fan. They were in the Sunday rotgravure comic section. What were their names? Heinz ? Obviously a German import. Maybe Matt Groening got Bart from here.

DENNIS THE MENACE: Hank Ketchum recently died. Didn't see the picture with Walter Matthau as Mr. Wilson. Maybe Dennis inspired Bart. Besides the movie: Was both a cartoon and tv series starring Jay North.

BLONDIE: The Bumsteads were human people in the movie series, and cartoons in the newspapers. Dagwood, Mr. Dithers, Alexander, Kathy (?), Daisy Dog and Pups. What breed were the dogs? This family could've inspired THE SIMPSONS (to a small extent).

NANCY, SLUGGO, AUNT FRITZIE of the funny pages by Ernie Bushmiller. Never hilarious but they just become a part of one's brain chemistry.

LITTLE IODINE by Jimmy Hatlo whom also did THERE OUGHTA BE A LAW in the daily newspapers. Thanks and a tip of the Hatlo to Robert ... . Little Iodine could've inspired Bart.

LITTLE LULU was by Walter Lantz (?) Could she have inspired Lisa? Nahh. Who inspired Lisa & Maggie ? I recall reading: Matt Groening's sisters.

Also there was THEY'LL DO IT EVERYTIME by Finagly & Shorten. I sent them ideas too.

LOONEY TUNES was apparently a cell of anarchists:

BUGGS BUNNY, ELMER FUDD, PORKY PIG, DAFFY DUCK, YOSEMITE SAM, TWEETY BIRD & SYLVESTER:

The Warner Bros movie studio presented the usuallt technicolor LOONEY TUNES cartoons between movies, along with maybe PETE SMITH SPECIALS, News-reels, perhaps the serial adventures of Leo Gorcery as Sach in "The Deadend Kids," and sometimes possibly the serialized Buck Rogers versus extraterrestrial bad guys

"Itchy & Scratchy" is a satire of Tweety Bird and Sylvester Cat.

Seemingly "The Roadrunner" ditto.

Disney studio remarkably did FANTASIA, which somewhat explains the controversial theory of evolution.

Mike Judge via Fox has also courageously tackled some moral and theological phenomena in KOTH.

Also Disney created BAMBI, DONALD DUCK, SCROOGE McDUCK, MICKEY SOMEBODY, MINNY SOMEBODY, PLUTO, GOOFY, and HUEY-LOUIS-DEWEY whom also serve as those shade tree amateurs Tom & Ray's mock attorneys. I actually subscribed by snail mail to DONMALD DUCK comic books.

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On 22 Apr 2002 18:09:51 GMT, [email] (Robert Cohen) wrote:

I always thought they were derived from Tom & Jerry.

TOM & JERRY indeed.

Maybe the generic cat and mouse/bird cartoon ; but Groening's point about cartoon violence is more emphasized in TOM & JERRY than in Tweety and Sylvester.

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THANKS for feedbacks, critiques, and cogent cheapshot ad homiems wherever posted in the n.g.

The main purpose in posting semi-wonderfuls (not a real noun either) is that I am nearly convinced.

I did watch the cartoon CRUSADER RABBIT everyday after school in the 1950's.

It was cutting edge stuff.

But I didn't (hardly)look at nor watch on tv CHARLIE BROWN cartoons.

This says sumthin cynical-negative about your prolific poster.

Therefore, I should've enjoyed B & B and SOUTH PARK; butttt no.

I never spent more than 5 minutes on either series.

I must have feared and loathed 'em too much.

Ozzy Osbourne: I haven't made an effort to watch regularly either.

I have seen a few minutes of bytes or cuts of the surreal fun.

One part of one episode of SURVIVOR was all I could take.

It's apparently not supposed to be comedy, but it strikes me as ...pretentious-showy, show-biz, commercialized austerity, mockish (or is that "mawkish") heroics, group ass-kissy, and corny.

Now I gotta also concede that SURVIVOR is creative, challenging, and deserves accolades for being unusual.

KOTH and THE SIMPSONS shall do take-offs if not already.

What are these "realism" cartoons called ?

In the cartoon trade ? Well, they aren't traditional children-oriented cartoons.

Yogi Bear, THE JETSONS, and BERT & ERNIE they aren't.

Are they "adult cartoons?"

Well, do your young sisters and brothers watch them or not?

Teenagers surely watch them.

THE SIMPSONS is chock full of archaic allusions.

The Edward G. Robinson police chief is quite an old timer's hoot.

I now ask what was the name of the Groening cartoon that was in the college newspapers 25 years ago ?

Groening's scribling graphic was radical stuff.

Gary Trudeau's DOONESBURY was too, and he became mainstream.

The newspapers didn't know what to do with Trudeau.

DOONESBURY was shuffled between the comic pages, the editorial & op ed pages, and the lifestyle--tv listings pages.

THE FAR SIDE by Larson: gotta adios

Yeah, I am old

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On 24 Apr 2002 02:21:12 GMT Robert Cohen wrote:

} I did watch the cartoon CRUSADER RABBIT everyday after school in the 1950's.

The fifties! I thought you said you were old. _Howdy Doody_ had its outrageous aspects. _Soupy Sales_ was shocking to some.

} Therefore, I should've enjoyed B & B and SOUTH PARK; butttt no.

Well, B&B had a problem live, because you'd have to sit through all the music videos and feel your brains liquify. But the B&B videos without the music videos (which is all I have to go on) selected maybe the best of the intervideo humor. _South Park_ started out outrageous; so, if outrageous is a stumbling-block, then a body could easily just pass over the _South Park_ experience. (How about the _South Park_ movie (Bigger, Longer & Uncut)? Did you see that? _Beavis and Butt-Head Do America_? Did you see that?)

_King of the Hill_ is a lot easier to get into, starting with just about any episode, and its main target audience is probably a little older.

_The Simpsons_ was roundly criticized at PTA meetings as bad for children when my younger kids were in school, but that just put it on the be-sure-to-watch list for us.

But they all can be taken at a variety of levels, so families can watch together and everyone has something to enjoy.

} KOTH and THE SIMPSONS shall do take-offs if not already. } } What are these "realism" cartoons called ? } } In the cartoon trade ? Well, they aren't traditional children-oriented } cartoons. } } Yogi Bear, THE JETSONS, and BERT & ERNIE they aren't. } } Are they "adult cartoons?"

Well, they're cartoons, and most of the humor is aimed at adults (though there's plenty for kids to enjoy).

} Well, do your young sisters and brothers watch them or not?

Heck, my grandchildren watch them. I haven't checked with my younger siblings.

} Yeah, I am old

My _mama's_ old, and she's got friends who are older still. You're the bull's eye of the target audience for _King of the Hill_. Have you watched _Daria_? I think there are two videos available for rent. It's set in Atlanta, isn't it?

Yes, DARIA is terrific, a delite to discover.

The satire is as good-better than the usual sit-com prime time fodder.

The voices themselves are ..like golden age radio.

America has oodles of talent.

The actors-actresses come from public-private school speech arts-drama; and some have found niches.

Hopefully their SAG contracts will yield a few residuals for their retirements and heirs.

Marsha (?) who does Bart (?) or LIsa (?) (video is immortal) NEWHART's secretary and Julie Kavner as MARGE SIMPSON are two voices whom come to mind.

In these times: There are plenty of cartoons on tv now, while I am not giving 'em attention.

Can't cite their names and situations-themes.

Thus, there has got to be a "diminishing return" or a "marginal utility" in the numerous number of channels and choices.

The competition for ratings and advertisers has got to be as mean as it can get.

The proliferation of cartoons is like ...uh..more available gold, diamonds, rubies, sapphires, oil, and platinum.

The value of valuable creativity diminishes.

So many of them are like DARIA--cleverly nuanced.

The gifted artists and creators of the animations do their works for plural target consumers.

For the decadent consumer: It's continually like being in the proverbial candy (or liquor store) with wad of cash to waste.

Soon, I go ga-ga.

The phenomenon has to be a ulcerating challenge to networks, production companies, and ad placers.

There is DROOPY or a Droopy knockoff--dog with an upper crust accent, but I don't watch it myself.

B-t-w: That Office Depot logo type cartoon--can't recall the name--reminds me of ...Droopy.

I listened every Saturday morning to BIG JOHN & SPARKEY on the radio.

'When you go down in the woods today... .'

But when the Saturday mornings on the new television stations' channels back then becamj cartoon outlets, darnit, IT BECAME TOO MUCH--overwhelming.

Pavlov and B.F. Skinner experiments with the satiation of lab rats now come to mind.

The Beatles' YELLOW SUBMARINE is another full length movie movie I have missed along with the B & B do America and others mentioned.

Heck, I like Turner Classic films.

I recall when Ted started Channel 17--the Super Station.

Ted loves the old movies so much he introed them himself.

Later he bought-out the MGM film archives for a couple billion.

Everybody--including moi--thought Ted had crapped-out.

He proved that ...junque bonds can work, I suppose.

That was over twenty plus years ago, and his TIME-WARNER AOL stock has ...uh...cratered.

He is (reportedly) the largest shareholder.

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'Rocky Raccoon came into the room, and (something) Gideon's Bible.'

I don't know what that means, but that disclaimer won't stop me from recalling.

Rocky and Bullmose were another enjoyment of the 1950's--1960's or whenever (?).

The ole rock(y) song is brain implanted, and by what rock group (?).

I have a SIMPSONS album somewhare. I liked the cartoon after seeing one episode.

Reverend Lovejoy and Principal Skinner, etal are of the same actor (voice).

Back then we wore ties and coats sometimes.

Today, people wear ties and coats sometimes.

My Dad wore a fedora hat like in the old movies on Turner Classics and AMC.

Jean Shepherd who was a radio raconteur in NYC wrote a wonderful gentle (except the fight with the bully and when Dad got an electrical shock or sumthin from the stripper's gaudy lamp) book-script-movie about his own childhood; though I never understood the gentle humor of Linus etal characters in CHARLIE BROWN.

Smiley faces are decent civilized goody-goody affectunate affectations- things for us Bart's of the world to mock.

Apu is as hilarious as any character of which MR. LETTERMAN can only dream about.

I would like to see "Charlie Brown" compared and contrasted with KOTH etal.

All-right, don't mind if I try:

Does life today feel more crude and less genteel than a generation ago (25 years or so) ?

Hank Hill and I suppose so.

Does KOTH have a moral theme ?

Mike Judge is no bump-on-a-log hacking-out sheer gratuitous jibes at his Texas enculturated childhood milieu.

Yeah, it's all that plus tremendous simpatico- understanding-empathy-criticism.

The audience is not subtley being offered moral dilemmas and lessons to contemplate.

LuAnn-Bobby's church epsisode was "Sunday Nite At Cartoon Sunday School."

It is memorable. VERY GUTSY.

So, there is the Christianity of CHARLIE BROWN and of KOTH too to discuss amoongst yourselves while the coat of many colors at a Sunday School.

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while the coat of many colors lesson is being colored at Sunday School.

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