'Roswell That Ends Well'

Very good episode. So great to see a new one FINALLY. But [Spoiler written backwards] ?("emit taht truh t'ndiD ...mreps yM !wO") 'yrotcaF mrulS eht dna yrF' ni redneB yb dezilaets eh t'nsaW ?rehtafdnarg nwo sih eb yrF dluoc woh

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Loser.

<< Loser. >>

Dick.

Troglodytic megalomaniacal parasite.

<< Troglodytic megalomaniacal parasite. >>

Refresh my memory, why are we doing this?

On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 06:30:42 GMT, "Robert J. Muldoon" wrote:

It's a simple malfunction of your kill file. Actively ignoring about two or three persistent trolls and the newsgroup becomes much more enjoyable.

--Larry

What's a troll? Are you a troll?

=v= To prep for next week's rerun of "Mother's Day," you filthy, toothless nerd bastard. <_Jym_>

To waste bandwidth and cause the Earth to rotate on its axis by approximately 2.3 degrees. They need a longer summer in Antarctica.

On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Alex Cain stated this considered view. Waking from my doze, I hastily scrawled -

Actually, tilting the Earth's axis more wouldn't make the summer any longer at the poles. It would just be higher in the sky at midsummer. :)

Haile H. Salassie. Now I remember why I never hang around in newsgroups. Sheesh.

"Alex Cain" wrote in message news:[email]...

Antagonistic yak-shaving umbrella juggler.

Is there something wrong with being megalomaniacal ?

Alex Cain wrote:

Fry's grandpa's name was Enos even though Fry's dad said his father's name was Yancy

Also I just didn't like the whole "grandfather' explanation...I was hoping by the end of the episode they would explain that she was already a month pregnant or something.

The episode title is written on the bomb

Sweepings Fist : It's not just a noun, it's a verb.

*Please note* -- I have a tendency to post while stoned. Apologies in advance.

On 10 Dec 2001 04:25:37 GMT, [email] (Hung like a tuna can) wrote:

That was what happened in the movie Time Rider. A motorcycle rider get's zapped back to the old west and sleeps with his grandmother.

Perhaps she was pregnant, but didn't know it, when she slept with Fry.

Since Fry knew his grandfather, he must have lived until after Fry was born. So any explanation other than "somehow Enos lived throw the explosion" is going to violate the space time continuum.

Enos must be Fry's maternal Grandfather, since his paternal grandfather was Yancy.

--Larry

"Larry" schrieb

Was Enos' family name "Fry" or something else? Otherwise a wizard changed their names. ;)

[email] (Larry) wrote in message news:...

Nope. After Fry knocked Enos into the pile of rusty bayonettes, then he licked his fingers after the "raw chicken" thing, Fry says, "We've got to get you out of here! It'll be all right, Dad!"

*Michael Notforyou*

I believe Lazarus Long from Heinlein's metaverse also did something similar : eg, travel to the past and have sex with early relatives.

Hopefully this is the case, otherwise the continuity director needs swift boot to the head.

"Larry" wrote in message news:[email]...

As others have pointed out, why did Fry say "Dad" when speaking to Enos crotch? Anyhow...the simple answer is Enos was going by his middle name.

Forgive me if I'm not undestanding the questions, but I had assumed Fry was talking to the sperms in Enos's crotch, that would one day become Fry's father.

And I can't believe I just used the word 'sperm' in a newsgroup discussion.

"Leaving Hope" a �crit

You probably did allready use this word when talking about Parasite lost :-)

I just sew Roswell that ends well : Very Good episode, nice written, an excellent animation and very funny ! So glad to see Futurama back ;-)))

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You should know by now that the word is cum and that hot horny barely-legal Asian sluts moan for it.

"Matt Miller" wrote in message

If the internet, and bucket loads of spam should have tought me anything, it's definately that.

Such a poor, poor student.

nathan

did Fry actually say that he knew his grandfather? I wasn't paying a huge amount of attention (I did tape it, could watch it again I guess) but I thought he simply said "My grandfather was at Roswell" or something to that effect. Which doesn't mean he knew him personally, just that he had heard stories or something.

I guess I should watch it again.

Lyle

Ok, just did. The specific quote by Fry is: "And while we're on the base, we can visit my grandfather Enos, he was stationed at Roswell."

Doesn't necessarily indicate that Fry knew him personally, just that Fry knew he was at Roswell. Meaning it could have been something his grandmother told him at some point in his life (i.e. "Oh, here's a picture of your grandfather, he was stationed at Roswell.")

But wait, that implies that Fry's grandmother thinks of Enos as the father of her son. But we know that's not true, because Fry is *apparently* his own grandfather (unless she was pregnant with Enos's kid and didn't know it, a possibility if she was as 'easy' as she appeared to be).

Of course, when Fry made the statement, since the past hadn't been changed yet, it would have been true (i.e. Enos WAS Fry's grandfather and Fry heard about him being stationed at Roswell becuase when he made the statement, the past hadn't been changed).

But after Fry got Enos killed, that would have changed the past, making Enos no longer his grandfather (his grandmother certainly wouldn't refer to him as such since they never married). Which might have changed his memory of the event. Of course, he didn't really make any comment about it after he changed the past.

Unless, for some reason, the person changing the past is able to remember things before the change.

Or...

This is why I hate time travel storylines, they always give me a headache.

Lyle

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Or maybe she just lied, since she never saw the father again (or at least, not as far as she knew)?

in article [email], Lyle McDonald at [email] wrote on 12/10/01 5:50 PM:

Of course there is always the theory that Fry was destined to go to the past and make those events occur. Meaning nothing really changed at all.

Yup, it's sort of implied in time travel storylines: if you go bakc and change the past, well, that's what was supposed to happen because that's what did happen.

But that makes his original statement about his grandfather incorrect.

Lyle

in article [email], Lyle McDonald at [email] wrote on 12/11/01 10:12 AM:

How?

He said his grandfather was stationed at Roswell. If the 'true' history was that he was his own grandfather (because he got Enos killed), than it wouldn't make sense for him to have been told that his grandfather (i.e. Enos) was stationed at Roswell.

Lyle getting a headache again

Lyle McDonald wrote in message ...

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An un-wed mother in the late 40's? She's going to come up with a story pronto, and what better one than that the father of her child (Enos) died in a nuclear test blast? They were an 'item', there are photos of them (I think - didn't Fry pick up a picture of her and Enos?) - a very tidy, believable story.

Which doesn't explain why Fry doesn't mention his grampa getting nuked.......;0

And why no round of "I'm My Own Grampa", anyway?

=v= Exactly.

=v= No, Mildred said something like, "everything reminds me of him," and picked up a snapshot of a nuclear explosion. :^)

=v= I guess you missed this:

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    <_Jym_>

in article [email], Lyle McDonald at [email] wrote on 12/11/01 11:07 AM:

But that's entirely based on what Mildred told the family. Could very easily been understood by the family that Enos fathered Fry's dad before he died in an accident. This would also protect Mildred's reputation to some degree, as opposed to everyone thinking she slept with some stranger after her boyfriend died.

Enos was still stationed at Roswell.

On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 19:07:17 GMT, Lyle McDonald wrote:

Time travel inherently implies travel to a parallel dimension. So you are changing the future of a different universe, not your own. Or a wizard did it.

No matter how you slice it, the concept of traveling back in time requires giving up free will. Since you can only do things in the past that your are predetermined to do. So how can any action be free if is can effect what you would do if you ever go back in time?

Since is such a common theme in SciFi, Futurama had to parody it. On it's own I generally don't like time travel themes in serious SciFi, but it works great as a comedy vehicle. The Red Dwarf episode where they go back and witness Kennedy's assassination was another great example.

--Larry

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Did you see "Twelve Monkey's"? Bruce Willis' character points out that time-travel is kind of like seeing the same movie over and over -- you see something different each time.

Besides, the things you've already done aren't *pre*-determined; rather, you've already done them.

The paradox you're grappling with stems from the determinist's fallacy (all paradox's stem from a fallacy), that you have perfect knowledge of the past, but no knowledge of the future. You don't have perfect knowledge of the past -- that's why Creationists still get a hearing -- while there are many things that can be said about the future with absolute certainty, like, "We're all going to die, one day."

Hey, what would happen if you went back in time and killed Hitler, but it turned out when you got back, that some guy named Schickelgruber just changed his name to Hitler and did all the same things? Impossible, you say?

On 12 Dec 2001 03:51:18 GMT, [email] (Leon Kowalski) wrote:

Not yet, I heard it's good. I'll get around to renting it soon. But "Groundhog Day" Had a similar theme.

But your future actions predetermined by the limits of what you can and cannot do in the context of time travel to the past.

It hasn't happened, but it will has already been happened.

While no individual can posses perfect knowledge of the past, the perfect knowledge of the past does exist. There is only one set of circumstances that would lead to the exact current state of the universe. So in the fabric of the universe is perfect knowledge of the past. Any change we make in the past would either have to change the current state of the universe which would alter your life and thus change what it is you did back in time so it becomes an infinite loop effecting itself without end Or the actions you take when you travel into the past are already accounted for in the current state of affairs, which means your actions are pre-determined..

Well what if Hitler went back in time and killed Schickelgruber? Then the President of the United States could be named Schickelgruber!

It's more like I can't kill my grandfather before my father was born, or I wouldn't be born in the future. So I am predetermined to never go back in time and kill my grandfather.

I don't believe that you can travel backwards in time. It is not only impossible, but the lines at security are so long that it's the present before you even get there. So much for the chance to go back in time and invest in Microsoft, or skip that Enron buying spree.

If they we are even going to invent time travel, why haven't we seen tourists from the future coming back to see real live Elvis Impersonators before they go extinct.

Which reminds me, as long as they were in the past, they should have picked up a mated pair of anchovies. Kind of a Star Trek IV reference.

--Larry

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"Groundhog Day" is a hilarious movie, but it's hardly about time travel at all. It's a pure fantasy, and no attempt is ever made to explain the mechanism.

Yes, that's the determinist fallacy, exactly. It's also one of the leading proofs for the existence of God. (There has to be someone keeping track of all that.) It's wrong, of course. All you really know is what's painted on the inside of your skull -- all the rest is just conjecture, and no one knows any better. Even your memories are only imperfect parodies of events that may or may not have taken place. Here and now is certainty, knowledge of events removed in time and space takes on a more speculative flavor. [BTW, the reminds me, Leon Kowalski isn't my real name; or I least I think I'm a real person, and not just a character in a PKD story. :-)]

Ah... but the President of the United States *is* named Schickelgruber!

heh.

You see what yo want to see. I see people everyday, who I can't figure out what planet they're from. Everyone else just assumes they're from Earth, present time, but who knows?

Sure in hindsight... but if you had do it all over again, would you really do things any differently? [My only mistake was, I wasn't born rich.]

<< "Groundhog Day" is a hilarious movie, but it's hardly about time travel at all. It's a pure fantasy, and no attempt is ever made to explain the mechanism. >>

Actually I think is was based on a Native American legend.

Hundsfurtz wrote:

sorry, but this is not your real name, is it?!

Andreas

"Andreas Ebbert" schrieb

We're not in de.!, I think that's okay.

Michael Herzog wrote:

I was not ranting that he used a nick name (as I assume you assumed I did), but was just asking because of the "funny" german meaning of that name.

Andreas

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I loved it. The part where she starts knitting and calling Fry "dearie" was just surreal enough so that you wouldn't take it all too seriously. Still, I hate time-travel stories where the universe enforces its "destiny", or the future changes "in real time", or other such nonsense, while the outcome in this story is perfectly consistent with the "philosophy of Fry". (Be here now, or something.)

Fry's not the brightest bulb in the bunch.

Wizard did it.

Feh.

Like this one?

Fry should have two grandfathers. Do we know which one his father was referring to in luck of the fryish?

"Hung like a tuna can" wrote in message news:[email]...

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=v= Well, as has been pointed out, what Fry's dad said was that his *grand*father's name was Yancy. He then said the name goes all the way back to Minuteman Yancy Fry, who fought the commies in the American Revolution.

=v= So Enos and Yancy are (allegedly) on his father's side of the family. <_Jym_>

On 12 Dec 2001 10:13:56 -0800, Jym Dyer wrote:

Perhaps Enos is his middle name or even a nickname. Perhaps he was a big fan of Enos Slaughter, so people started to call him Enos.

Or how about this, there were two men at Roswell, both named Enos. Fry, being an idiot, met up with the wrong one. Never asking, he never knew he was trying to protect Enos Rabbinowitz, who was killed in a nuclear blast. The laundry service kept mixing up their close, so, the wrong Enos was wearing the name tag "Fry". Mildred, was not pregnant when Fry left for the future, but she later met Yancy "Enos" Fry while returning his clothes, and they were soon married.

--Larry

"Larry" wrote in message news:[email]...

Didn't you read the post you replied to? Yanci was Enos' f a t h e r, Frys Great-Grandad.

• NightRaven

On Tue, 25 Dec 2001 04:54:38 +0100, "NightRaven" wrote:

Fry's father says "Son, your name is Yancy, just like me and my grandfather and so on all the way back to "Minute Man" Yancy Fry who blasted commies in the American Revolution".

So, he doesn't say that his father (Enos?) is named Yancy, but he does seem to imply that it is a continuous linage. There are a few possibilities. 1. His name is Enos and the linage isn't continuous. 2. His name is Yancy and he is called Enos, a nickname or perhaps his middle name. 3. Enos is Phillip's maternal grandfather but Fry is an idiot and got it wrong.

As far as I can see, any one of these could be true.

--Larry

On Thu, 27 Dec 2001 14:32:01 GMT, "Flexo [don't let the beard fool you]" wrote:

That is yet another possibility. The movie "Time Rider", which pre-dates the Red Dwarf episode, used the exact same idea.

But, that is also never clarified in the show. Perhaps Fry's grandmother was pregnant with Eno's baby when he was killed. She had hoped to marry him before anyone found out. When he died, she seduced Fry, hoping to convince him that the baby was his so she could marry him before she gave birth.

That would allow for the possibility that the neutrino beam left Fry sterile.

Also, if Fry's DNA was in an infinite loop, the DNA analyzer wouldn't have identified him as the professor's great-great . . . great uncle. He would only be his half great great . . . great uncle.

I think a lot of this is left open intentionally to give the fans something to chew on.

Humor, by it's very nature, is unpredictable. If they ever get around to explaining what happened in any more detail, it may get even more convoluted.

How about this: After a major screw up with an artificial insemination capsule, Dave Lister is in fact Philip Fry's grandfather. They're both stupid, lazy slobs who were trapped in dead end jobs end both have robots as best friends.

--Larry

I'll have to watch it again.What was the exact quote? When you say HIS do you mean Fry or Yancy? I had the impression that Enos would be from his mother's side - wasn''t his mother a redhead too?

"luther miller" wrote in message news:FYLR7.89$[email]...

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hoping

You people are looking into this too much. Its only a cartoon show, so its not really important about who whats grandfather.

There are so many other silly things that they do in the show that has no explanation, why pick on this one????

Hundsfurtz wrote in message ...

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Why not? Why do anything at all?

Now, go and enjoy *your* "life", as we've got to waste ours being petty.

Graham "nitpicking *can* be an enjoyable experience"

http://www.leela.com.ar/

On Sun, 16 Dec 2001 15:25:33 +1030, "Jai Heward" wrote:

WOW! You're right! We've been here discussing our thoughts about Futurama, never realizing that is was a cartoon. Whew! Now that you've straightened that all out we can just leave and close down the entire board. Don't worry, we'll close up after you've gone.

On a less sarcastic note. We do nitpick on the details of the show. That is the essence of this board. We discuss the details and the feasibility / reality of concepts used in the story line.

Pointing out that it is "Just a cartoon" basically translates to "please shoot me down". If any of us were not lazy enough to put together a FAQ, that would definitely be included.

--Larry

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Next time please use ROT-13 encoding instead. Most newsreaders support em and all you gotta do is press a button to get the readable text back.

-< Moon >-

<< Next time please use ROT-13 encoding instead. Most newsreaders support em and all you gotta do is press a button to get the readable text back. >>

What is this? Never heard of it. Besides, I thought that backwards writing would be a cool change from the normal spoiler space. As if it's too difficult to read in reverse? !

sdnah ruoy no emit eerf fo tol lufwa na evah tsum uoY !woW

!zihw eseehc stae nataS

"Robert J. Muldoon" wrote in message news:Q8aR7.169942$[email]...

In 3-D!

<< In 3-D! >>

Yeah! The first was from Bad Hair Day, BTW.

"Robert J. Muldoon" wrote in message news:wSjR7.171315$[email]...

Sheesh, no need to tell me that. I mean, "I Remember Larry" just as well as the next guy.

"Robert J. Muldoon" wrote in message news:SgWQ7.166920$[email]... Boivbhfyl, bayl gur fcrez ur unccrarq gb or pneelvat jrer xvyyrq, abg uvf pncnpvgl gb cebqhpr zber.

<< Boivbhfyl, bayl gur fcrez ur unccrarq gb or pneelvat jrer xvyyrq, abg uvf pncnpvgl gb cebqhpr zber. >>

Right... You keep on believing that....