The NFL and Futurama

S04E01 Roswell That Ends WellliveDec 11, 2001, 10:17 PM ET2 days later91 posts by 26 posters
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Don Del Grande

With a number of posts to alt.tv.futurama and rec.arts.animation by people under the impression that everybody in the eastern half of the country didn't get to see "Roswell That Ends Well" because the Redskins - Cardinals football game ran long, here's the information for the rest of the football season.

First of all, each Sunday, either Fox or CBS gets to show two games. (I'll refer to the network that can show two as that week's "doubleheader network".) When Fox is the doubleheader network, pretty much every Fox station throughout the USA will show two games (the only ones who can't are the cities with NFL teams playing home games that are either blacked out or are on CBS), and the second game lasts until (at least) 7:30, so Fox simply doesn't schedule Futurama in the Eastern and Central time zones (and schedules a repeat in the Mountain and Pacific zones).

When CBS is the doubleheader network in a given Sunday, Fox may schedule a new episode (although whether it will on either December 30 or January 6 is another question). With a few exceptions (and those all being in cities with NFL teams), each Fox station can decide to show either a 1:00 (Eastern) game, in which case that station will show Futurama at 7:00 without any problem, or show a 4:05 game, in which case it is likely that the game will still be on at 7:00, in which case the station can do one of three things when the game ends:

  • Show Futurama "already in progress" (assuming it's not 7:30 yet)
2.  Show local programming until 7:30, and then show Futurama at
    another time - for example, midnight, or the following Saturday
    afternoon (if this happens where you live, don't expect the TV
    listings to know, as the decision has to be made at the last
    second - call the station and ask)
3.  "Screw it - it's only Futurama" (if that happens, I suggest you
    contact Fox and tell them one of its stations didn't show one
    of the Fox shows - or any of the Fox-sold commercials that went
    with it)

The "exceptions" that I mentioned are in cities with NFL teams:

1.  If the team is playing an away game on Fox, ot a home game on
    Fox that is not blacked out, the local Fox station will show
    that game.
2.  If the team is playing an away game on CBS, or a home game on
    CBS that is not blacked out, the local Fox station will almost
    certainly not show a game at the same time (there would almost
    certainly be a bigger audience at the other time).  (If it is
    a home game, Fox isn't allowed to.)
3.  If the team is playing a home game and it is blacked out,
    whether it was supposed to be on CBS or Fox, then both networks
    can only show one game; usually, but not always, the network
    that would have shown the home team will show a game that starts
    at the same time (if there are any), and the other network will
    show a game at the other time.

With that being said, here's how things look for the rest of the football season:

Dec. 16 - Fox doubleheader day, so no episode in the Eastern and Central time zones

Dec. 23 - not applicable as no episode airs at 7:00 (the two Christmas episodes will air at 9:00 and 9:30)

Dec. 30 - CBS doubleheader day (* indicates that it may change status if the local game is blacked out, but don't count on it)

Full episode: Atlanta, Charlotte*, Chicago, Dallas*, Detroit*, Green Bay*, Miami*, Minneapolis

In progress if sold out, full episode if blacked out: Philadelphia (this is because if the game is blacked out, there is no other Fox game at 4:05, so the Philadelphia station has to show a 1:00 game)

In Progress: Buffalo, Cincinnati*, Cleveland, Indianapolis,
             Jacksonville*, Kansas City, Memphis*, New York,
             Pittsburgh, St. Louis*

Jan. 6 CBS doubleheader day

Full episode: Chicago*, Dallas, Detroit*, Green Bay, Jacksonville,
              Kansas City, New Orleans*, New York, Philadelphia,
              Tampa*, Washington*

In progress if sold out, full episode if blacked out: St. Louis

In Progress: Atlanta, Boston, Buffalo, Charlotte*, Cincinnati, Indianapolis*, Memphis*, Miami*

Jan. 13 - playoffs begin Unless both AFC games are scheduled for west coast cities, which is possible only if one of Oakland, San Diego, or Seattle wins the AFC West division but has the worst record of the three division champions, and another of those three has the best record among the AFC non-champions) and San Francisco does not play a home game that weekend, forcing CBS to show the "late" game on Sunday, expect Fox to show a game on Sunday starting at 4:15 and ending no earlier than 7:30.

Jan. 20 It is impossible for both AFC games to be in west coast cities, as two of the three division champions are the home teams and all of the AFC's west coast teams are in the same division, so Fox will almost certainly show a 4:15 game.

Jan. 27 The decision will be made on January 20. Most likely, Fox will show the 4:15 game, unless there was a good chance that a west coast team would be hosting the AFC championship game (and San Francisco would not be hosting the NFC one), in which case that game (on CBS) would air at 4:00 (otherwise the AFC game would start at 9:30 AM local time).

Feb. 3 Fox has already announced that "Malcolm in the Middle" will be the only network programming on after the Super Bowl

Feb. 10 Fox will probably schedule some movie that night to capitalize on February Sweeps (especially as, if I remember correctly, the Super Bowl does not count in sweeps ratings - although in the past, it's always been on the day before February sweeps begins)

Feb. 17 Fox is airing the Daytona 500 that day, so of course it will rain, causing a delay until 7:30 PM. (Unfortunately, Daytona has lights, so there's no chance of it being declared too dark to race.)

Feb. 24 Two new episodes of "King of the Hill" were not shown in November and December because Fox football games run until 8:00 Eastern, so Fox will probably air them in a doubleheader this night beginning at 7:00.

Feb. 31 The entire season is scheduled to air on this night, so don't come complaining that certain episodes weren't aired.

Mar. 7 "We aired every Futurama episode on February 31, remember? Tell you what - we'll repeat every episode on, oh, say, June 31. How about that?" (Were you expecting me to say "Smarch 13"?)

Don't forget that cities whose Fox affiliates also show local teams' baseball games may pre-empt Futurama because they have to show baseball followed by that day's "NASCAR on FOX" race.

Don Del Grande, [email] You do realize that everything from February 10 onwards (except for that bit at the end about baseball) was a joke, right? You would think February 31 would have been a giveaway...
TheShredderDon Del Grande

Too bad all animated shows can't just be on a network like CN or Toon D isney. Then we won't have to put up with this crap.

I remember in the days of yor, back when Married With Children was on Fox. Sometimes we had to wait till ten oclock to see a new MWC/Simpsons episode thanks to some stupid sports game going on overtime....

"Don Del Grande" wrote in message news:[email]...

Michael NotforyouDon Del Grande

I live in the Charlotte zone, but outside the blackout area. What do I get on Dec. 30 and Jan. 6?

Also, do we know WHICH episodes will air on those dates?

Thanks! *Michael Notforyou*

"Don Del Grande" wrote in message news:[email]...

DaveDon Del Grande

You'd think that because that's what people want to watch. Why do you think FOX doesn't mind pre-empting Futurama for the end of a football game? Because football gets twice the rating Futurama gets. It's all about money and catering to the majority.

Dave (part of the majority)

mhirtesDave

Which shows how many stupid people there are in the US.

Not to mention that the networks are too scared poopless to cut away from a neverending football game, thanks to the notorious "Heidi Incident".

Davemhirtes

Why? Because they happen to enjoy something *other* than what *you* find entertaining?

If you ask nicely, I'll explain both the role of professional sports in American society and the definition of bigotry.

What they're scared of is millions of viewers reaching, as one, for their TV remotes. Look. I like Futurama. I watch it when it's on. But I'm not clueless enough to think it garners anywhere near the TV audience that NFL football does, I'm not naive enough to think a TV network would value a cartoon over a cash cow, and I'm certainly not intolerant enough to judge millions of people based solely on what they like to do on Sunday afternoons.

Dave (unless it involves porn.)

Janet F Caires-LesgoldDave

In article ,

Sports should stay on their own networks, and leave the normal programming where it's supposed to be. I know that not everyone in the country has cable, but that would be my ideal world, where there would be cable channels for football and baseball, and nothing I wanted to see would ever be pre-empted again! (Of course, I'd vote for a separate channel for news and politics, and then I'd unsubscribe from *them*, too!)

Janet F. Caires-Lesgold [email] Speaker-to-Toys http://www.enteract.com/~jfc/ "I brought marshmallows. Occasionally, I'm callous and strange." -- Willow Rosenberg, Buffy the Vampire Slayer: "The Zeppo"

On 17 Dec 2001, Janet F Caires-Lesgold wrote:

Actually, I'd think it'd be the other way around. The sports would be on the BROADcast networks, while the others (especially cartoons) would be on cable, as the sports shows garner the high ratings and appeal to the BROADER amount of audience. Not that that would contradict what you generally said.

Well... actually, I'm more referring specifically to football (heck, IIRC most of the Top 20 highest rated shows are SuperBowls). But then, we are talking about footballs and Futurama anyway.

(And next year, the biggest worldwide phenomenon of them all - the World Cup... well, other than the Olympics at least.)

Laters. =)

Stan

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OmegaManJanet F Caires-Lesgold

That's as stupid as saying Futurama belongs on the Cartoon Network along with the rest of the cartoons.

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LooseChanjOmegaMan

"OmegaMan" wrote in message news:[email]...

What do you expect from someone who finds nothing wrong with a slur, unless it's as gay as she is?

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LooseChanjOmegaMan

"OmegaMan" wrote in message news:[email]...

What do you expect from someone who finds nothing wrong with a slur, unless it's as gay as she is?

If $vendor wants to improve the quality of their products, they could try cutting down their developers' drug dosages, but if that's not possible they should at least make sure they're all on the same drugs. --Darren Tucker
OmegaManJanet F Caires-Lesgold

That's as stupid as saying Futurama belongs on the Cartoon Network along with the rest of the cartoons.

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mhirtesDave

Watching overpaid multimillionaire jockos wrestle each other to the ground in subzero weather, while grotesquely fat half naked men with team colors painted al over them wiggle their glob in front of the cameras. Oh, why would anyone want to watch anything else?

I never ask nicely, because this isn't a nice world.

Again, which proves that watching thickheads in shoulderpads fondle each other is preferable to watching anything that might actually have some wit to it (because we all know that thoughts make the average sports fan's head hurt so). Networks sports.....by morons, for morons.

I'm not naive enough to think a TV

More like a bloated money hog, wallowing and grunting for more.

Arnold Kimmhirtes

mhirtes wrote in message news:[email]...

you

football

Because there's actually a great deal of strategy and skill involved that non-football fans can't comprehend. Can you even understand the dynamics involved in executing a football play? I mean, there's a reason why the XFL bombed.

As for overpaid... they're no more overpaid than anyone else who makes their millions in entertainment.

Incident".

Or maybe because there's an element of intelligence and strategy that non-sports fans that don't know a bit about the game can't see. Oh, and I do enjoy Futurama too.

Arnold Kim a Mets and Giants fan who, by the way, is maintaining a 3.7 GPA in college...

mhirtesArnold Kim

Arnold Kim (the real life "Al Bundy, who scored four touchdowns in a

Football jocks are intelligent, and the KKK is just a social club.

Arnold Kimmhirtes

mhirtes wrote in message news:[email]...

I have no idea why you need to throw around insults here. You're only making yourself look worse.

I

Of course, this is coming from someone who doesn't have a _clue_ about football plays.

I would _love_ to see you give an educated rebuttal against the intricacies of strategy in sports.

Arnold Kim

Davemhirtes

Dolphins QB Jay Fiedler graduated from Dartmouth.

But forget that Ivy League crap, he *can't* be intelligent *because* he plays football, right?

I'm guessing maybe you used to get your ass kicked by the jocks back in high school and you've never learned to let go.

Dave (They were just children ferchristsakes.)

Juan F. LaraDave

In article ,

The football quarterback at my public high school ( Miami Palmetto Senior High, yay :-) got A's in honors and AP courses, graduated sixth in class, and he then went on to Harvard.

- Juan F. Lara http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~jfl/intro.html
DaveJuan F. Lara

Another SoFla guy? How bout them Canes, huh? :-)

Dave (nudge nudge.)

Arnold KimDave

Dave wrote in message news:[email]...

and I

And John Elway went to Stanford.

Especially since the Ivy League doesn't offer athletic scholarships, so he and anyone else on an Ivy League football team got in, surprise surprise, because of their brains.

Arnold Kim

Juan F. LaraArnold Kim

Kind of ironic since what the "Ivy League" really is is an athletic league, just like the Big 12 or other leagues. :-)

- Juan F. Lara http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~jfl/intro.html
Arnold KimJuan F. Lara

Juan F. Lara wrote in message news:9vnkri$[email]...

wrote:

Yeah, but it's an athletic league of smart people. :)

(Or people rich enough to pull some strings...)

Arnold Kim

S.t.A.n.L.e.EJuan F. Lara

On 18 Dec 2001, Juan F. Lara wrote:

Yeah, but for an athletic league to be fair, the members have to agree on rules that apply to each member, including no athletic scholarships. ;-)

Laters. =)

Stan

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DacS.t.A.n.L.e.E

Nice. Not only did football take over the Futurama timeslot on TV, it also took over its *newsgroup*.

There's no hiding now...

mhirtesDac

Ahr yuh reddy fohr zum foowhut-bahhhhhhhhhwwwwwwlllllllll?????

OmegaManArnold Kim

In fact John Elway is a great example. He was an economics major, and he parlayed his football fame into an auto franchise that he later sold for $80 million dollars. John is a very wealthy man. In fact he was making so much money outside of football, he was taking minimum wage as a pro player so the money could be spent on other players and this get him those two Super Bowl rings.

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OmegaManArnold Kim

In fact John Elway is a great example. He was an economics major, and he parlayed his football fame into an auto franchise that he later sold for $80 million dollars. John is a very wealthy man. In fact he was making so much money outside of football, he was taking minimum wage as a pro player so the money could be spent on other players and this get him those two Super Bowl rings.

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Davemhirtes

I wonder what all this sarcasm is covering up. It couldn't just be misdirected anger, could it?

Oh ain't you tough?

No, you don't have to ask, nicely or otherwise, the point has been made.

More sarcasm with a backhanded personal insult to boot. Hmmm.

I'm sorry you are filled with so much anger.

Dave (hoping you have a therapist you can talk this out with.)

OmegaManmhirtes

mhirtes wrote:

I could talk about strategy, whether to call a running play or a passing play on 3rd and 5, whether to kick the field goal on 3rd down or try to get it into the endzone. Go for it on 4th and inches at the 50. But somehow I don't think you'd get it. You'd rather see your cute cartoon where you don't have to speculate on what the next move is going to be. I like Futurama, but I also like football. And I am a college graduate, so I would hardly consider myself a moron.

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OmegaManmhirtes

mhirtes wrote:

I could talk about strategy, whether to call a running play or a passing play on 3rd and 5, whether to kick the field goal on 3rd down or try to get it into the endzone. Go for it on 4th and inches at the 50. But somehow I don't think you'd get it. You'd rather see your cute cartoon where you don't have to speculate on what the next move is going to be. I like Futurama, but I also like football. And I am a college graduate, so I would hardly consider myself a moron.

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Lyle McDonaldDave

Dave wrote:

So are you saying you're pro or anti-porn on Sunday? ;0

Lyle

DavidDave

In article , Dave wrote:

That's fine. I don't have a problem with the NFL. I do have a problem with scheduling a program at 7p EST Sundays, ostensibly because you expect to broadcast it then, and then repeatedly pre-empting it week after week.

At this point in time, it shouldn't be any surprise that the football games will not end in the allotted time. So allot more time for the damn game, allow some filler time for replays of said game as necessary, and put Futurama on at the decent, prime-time hour of 8p EST Sundays and push the schedule back. HBO, Showtime, these people know how to produce filler material. Maybe FOX can subscribe to some premium channels or maybe get a preview weekend and get a clue on how its done right.

FOX pre-empting Futurama week after week is simply because they're incapable of scheduling their network.

David Z Houston TX

DaveDavid

Of course! And you've directed your disappointment in the appropriate direction. People who blame the NFL aren't seeing the whole picture.

It's almost impossible for a game starting at 4:15 to end before 7:15. That said, this Sunday's Dolphins-49ers game took around 2:40 to play so it does happen now and then.

No, I think they have an unwritten, or written even, rule about The Simpsons owning the 8:00 slot forever.

Oh I think they know what they're doing. It's just not what people in this newsgroup want them to do.

Dave (and it ain't football's fault. :-) )

DavidDave

In article , Dave wrote:

Except for the fact it impacts Futurama, Not My Problem. Start the game earlier, or cut out some time-outs - whatever. I've never attended a pro football game in person - but I'm told the action there (and NCAA) is totally controlled by TV concerns - commercial time outs and so forth.

If you're going to massage the game for TV, then by God massage it right off the air at the scheduled time. FOX doing otherwise is, as you have said, FOX's show-me-the-money way of telling me to fuck off, they'd rather have the revenue from the football game ads. Then FINE; show football all night long, if you want, cancel the shows I like so some other network can pick them up.

Push them to 9:00, push X-Files to 10:00 where it *belongs* anyway. Futurama wasn't always on at 7 ET - and I remember some grumbling at the time that was absoletely correct, that football would pre-empt it WEEK after WEEK.

It's not rocket science. Only one program can be broadcast at a time. FOX chooses to deliberately schedule Futurama when it will probably be pre-empted - and CERTAINLY is pre-empted often enough for me not to make an effort to get home. (What's the point? It's 6 on Sunday, so... football is on. Still.)

It seems pretty stupid to use the broadcast schedule of a publicly-owned network to prove that FOX Doesn't Like Working With Matt Groening, but what can I say. Given that animation must cost something to produce, if they aren't going to broadcast the episodes in any kind of reasonable schedule, they should cancel it and save themselves the money of purchasing the program.

My bottom line: FOX is welcome to show football as much as they want. Just tell me when Futurama will be on, and show it then, and be done with it. Getting a "maybe" week after week after week is pretty damned insulting and a waste of my time.

David Z Houston TX

LarryDave

On Sun, 16 Dec 2001 20:00:25 -0500, Dave wrote:

No, we have more.

Frankly, what really irks me about football, as well as baseball, basketball and even hockey, is how much it costs. I paid plenty of taxes for the Arizona Cardinals, plus ~$135 for the Diamond backs and I don't even watch them. Now how much tax money has been collected to support Futurama? Zero! How about rock, jazz, country, rap, and folk music combined? Zero! Opera and Symphony, very close to zero.

Now the cardinals are insisting on more money for a stadium. When the proposed stadium would interfere with air traffic, they wanted to spend even more to lower the whole stadium into the ground and even spend more tax payer money to modify the airport. When they city refused to give in the team began threatening to leave.

Considering the revenue the NFL generates, it's time they did it without being on the public dole. Since I don't expect non-fans to pay for my entertainment, I don't want to pay for a football team I don't go to see. The Cardinals were the worst team in the NFL and the most expensive at the same time. Still, they had the gall to complain about the city not being supportive enough.

So long as supporting professional sports is mandatory, I have every right to bitch about it. Once those rich greedy *&*%#s start to pay their own way, they can do what they want as far as I'm concerned.

There is only one sport I watch and that's Battle Bots. They don't require public money and they don't claim to represent any city or state. They are self funded, and represent only design and the skill of their drivers. Plus, it's the only sport where you can root for Bender.

--Larry

DaveLarry

I'd put them ahead of four or five other teams. But yeah, they're bad.

Are they? I know the salary cap pretty much restricts Yankees-style payrolls, in what repect are they the most expensive?

I live in South Florida, land of Wayne Huizinga's fire sale and John Henry's ownership ineptitude. You get no argument from me, Larry.

Especially about the Battle Bots. I love how the furry green rat gets toasted every time. That's always a fan favorite.

Dave (bet he's a ringer.)

LarryDave

On Mon, 17 Dec 2001 20:00:41 -0500, Dave wrote:

A couple of years ago, they had the worst win-loss record in the NFL. That may not be true any more, but they are still pretty lame. But as we say in Phoenix, "win or lose, they are still our St. Louis Cardinals".

And of course there are the great team cheers like: "Touchdown Touchdown They're worth six points remember?"

Ticket price. They had the highest ticket price and the worst record, yet somehow, the games never sold out. Go figure.

--Larry

Invid FanLarry

In article , Larry wrote:

Heh. I recall watching the first game after the move on tv. The Cards made some horrible play, and the anouncers said something along the lines of, "Phoenix, meet the Cardinals". There were also general comments on how St. Louis wasn't that sad to see that team go :)

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S.t.A.n.L.e.Emhirtes

On Sun, 16 Dec 2001, mhirtes wrote:

Don't be a sourpuss. It was the people themselves who cried foul over that incident. The networks simply gave the people what they asked for.

Isn't that what you want to happen to Futurama as well? If you can get enough people that upset for Futurama, you'd have your way too. ........... And I betcha some others would say "that the networks are too scared poopless to cut away from some cartoon, thanks to the notorious Futurama incident." ;-)

Laters. =)

Stan

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mhirtesS.t.A.n.L.e.E

Or, maybe the networks should use some of their leverage by insisting that the NFL play their games with NONE of that "overtime" crap that eats up valuable broadcast time (and annoys the Hell out of other people who tuned in to see something else besides that football crap). If the jocks can't do all their running back and forth across the field within the alloted time slot, well then tough sh*t. Whomever has the most points when the clock ticks down to OO:OO wins the game. Game over! Bring on Bender now!

the ARROWmhirtes

You're over looking some things. The football is a cash cow, meaning its a easy money-earner for the networks. Cartoons like Futurama are closeto being, if not already, loss-leaders. Without the network games, they don't bring in enough advertising revenue to consider gambles like animation.

Rating equal advertisng sponsors which in turn equals big $. The networks are simply not going to bite one of the hands that feed them, regardless of what, you.........one viewer out of 100 million or so potentials...is going to think of it. Baywatch is/was the #1 rated show worldwide...........and it certainly is not high-brow stuff, yet it sells ( and sells commercial time) and those carrying it wanted it badly because it does just that.

Gotta remember one key thing about TV..........the stuff that airs is not called "programming" for nothing. Sports might seem dumb, but they bring in the $. Cartoons don't and never will.

--Ken
OmegaManthe ARROW

Actually Hercules, and later Xena, where beating Baywatch out in popularity. None of them are in production anymore. Not sure what is tops these days.

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Actually Hercules, and later Xena, where beating Baywatch out in popularity. None of them are in production anymore. Not sure what is tops these days.

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S.t.A.n.L.e.Emhirtes

On Sun, 16 Dec 2001, mhirtes wrote:

Or... they could just not schedule your shows right after sports games. Maybe put in some filler shows as a buffer for the possibility of overtimes.

As a segue, contrary in the US, it has been a practice in Japan _not_ to show baseball games beyond their alloted timeslots. Guess what, most Japanese hate that, and baseball is even more popular in Japan than the US. (And yet, their TV networks are too steep on status quo to see that... but that may soon change.)

Laters. =)

Stan

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mhirtesS.t.A.n.L.e.E

Or, perhaps as you seem to prefer, we have NOTHING but sports on, all day, all night.

Waitasec.....we DO have such a network (several, in fact). So why the Hell are we still clogging up network airwaves with NFL garbage for, when the jocks can tune into ESPN and get their rock off there and let everyoe else watch something worthwhile for a change?

the ARROWmhirtes

"mhirtes" wrote in message news:[email]...

Why??

If you have millions of dollars coming in from sports programming, why would you go for something that doesn't get the ratings that sports do? Ratings=more sponsor$= more $ for the network. Its not what you want, but it is what they want. And its giving the public at large what THEY want. That's smart business.

--Ken PS: I don't watch or follow sports at all.

S.t.A.n.L.e.Emhirtes

On Mon, 17 Dec 2001, mhirtes wrote:

What makes you believe that? I'm just being realistic, no rosy-colored glasses pragmatist. ;-)

Let me count the ways.... ;-) Because there are too many games just for one or even a few networks or channels (and sports aren't as they should be unless they're live - just look at the broadcast of the latest Olympics at Sydney). Because NFL make more money for the networks (look how much they charge for a 30-sec ad during SuperBowls). Because NFL attracts a BROADer audience, so it'd make sense it be in a BROADcast network. And of course, this all comes down to higher ratings.

Face it, you're against the grain on this one. The sooner you realize that, the more your "solutions" would make sense. It seems you're still under the illusion that more people want Futurama over football. Just take what's given to you and work from there. I'd like to see as much of Futurama too, but all this denial isn't getting us anywhere.

For starters, begin with the premise: "the American people want to see the NFL" and maybe even with the corollary: "and especially much more than Futurama, regardless of what I think of football." Now work from there to save your beloved show.

Laters. =)

Stan

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mhirtesS.t.A.n.L.e.E

Pretty sad for us as a nation when it's better to be a cromag than someone with a brain. No wonder we have people flying airliners into our skyscrapers.

S.t.A.n.L.e.Emhirtes

On Mon, 17 Dec 2001, mhirtes wrote:

Oh please. Even the "enlightened and wise" ancient Greeks, the ones who gave us democracy, the arts, plays among others, were the ones who invented the Olympics. (And if you know abut ancient Olympics, it's even more brutal than football or rugby.) Sports has its place. As they say, sound mind sound body.

Laters. =)

Stan

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mhirtesS.t.A.n.L.e.E

And then there are beefheads who get into college on a free scholarship, do NOTHING acedemic, but are allowed to stay on, so long as they keep scoring them touchdowns.

The Nebraska Cornhuskers team is a prime example. They win many bowl games, but there's never a more messed up gang of felons you'd see outside of San Quentin.

Davemhirtes

Not this season they don't.

Dave (Go Canes.)

S.t.A.n.L.e.Emhirtes

On Mon, 17 Dec 2001, mhirtes wrote:

Well, that one I'm not upholding, although those athletic scholarships often do come with a minimum GPA requirement (and yeah, then they'd take some chintzy pseudo-majors like cheese appreciation or something ^_^ ).

However, on the other side, there are also those students who truly want a college education but cannot afford it or may not be bright enough to get into their college of choice and thus depend on that athletic scholarship to make something of themselves.

Laters. =)

Stan

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mhirtesS.t.A.n.L.e.E

Like what? Felons?

"We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. When the loyal opposition dies, I think the soul of America dies with it."-- Edward R. Murrow

"The danger of the past was that men became slaves. The danger of the future is that man may become robots." -- Fromm

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S.t.A.n.L.e.Emhirtes

On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, mhirtes wrote:

Don't be a fool. UNeducated people are more in danger of resorting to felony, for various reasons. Furthermore, democracy won't work in an uneducated populace. I doubt even you would like to live in such a place. ;p If you deny people education, you'll reap the terrible consequences in the future.

Laters. =)

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LarryS.t.A.n.L.e.E

On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:16:41 -0500, "S.t.A.n.L.e.E" wrote:

Am I telling you what career to pursue?

We are talking about college here, not high school.

Here's the problem. Are college football players getting an education?

Sixty Minute did a segment a while back about former college football players who could barely get jobs. Once their eligibility ran out, the school stopped helping them and they dropped out. Had they gone to work right after high school, they would have four years experience in some field.

There are many cases of very intelligent people who also play football. There are also many who aren't college material who are accepted only to play. Also, marginal students who could handle college, but not if they need to practice 10 hours a week and miss classes for games.

Schools have to choose, lower standards to keep the team eligible, or keep standards high and lose games. This is a lose-lose situation. Should a very talented athlete miss his (or her) chance at success because they are not college material? Should the value of a degree be diluted by creating classes just so athletes can pass.

When I was at the UofA, the football team had easy classes, tutors and plenty of other special help to pass. Many of them realized that the NFL was slim chance and they made a serious effort to pass. Others didn't care or were simply poor students.

I think both communities would be better served by taking the athletic programs out of the schools. For athletes who want to go to college, they certainly can. For those that don't, they shouldn't be forced to give up their chance to play.

--Larry

Michael HerzogLarry

"Larry" schrieb

Reminds me of "Married with children". ;)

S.t.A.n.L.e.ELarry

On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, Larry wrote:

Were you and I discussing? No? Then obviously there wasn't any telling. ;-p

Nowadays, high school won't get one as far as it used to, what with society and occupations getting more and more complex/advanced. I'd daresay the majority of recent generations are going to college. College education is or will soon be the standard - whether 2-yr, 4-yr, community, technical, vocational, whatever. And that's good.

4 extra yrs working the burgers in McDs still won't get one too far. If those former college players truly still want the education, their colleges should have helped them, even past playing eligibility. Otherwise, it's the school's fault for giving up on them. Heck, you just added another use for the athletic scholarship: if not for their eligibility running out, those players could have finished college and gotten a degree - something they wouldn't even had a chance without the scholarship.

And there are those students who are simply not smart enough to enter yet want to study but would be bypassed by their college of choice (for reasons such as intellectual) if not for the scholarships.

Not. Notre Dame has a pretty rich football tradition, yet its academic standards are very high. IIRC, the last few years, their football graduation rate is close to 100% - even better than some Ivy League schools.

That's up to the school if it wants to stoop that low. But as yet another school, Duke in basketball, can show, it can make a choice to keep standards high and still be competitive.

Athletic programs? Are you talking about athletic scholarships? Because they are different. There'd always be athletic programs, obviously, as long as there is a sports department.

Anyway, I realize all that. But my point is, you can't throw out the baby with the bath water. As I wrote in a previous post in this thread, despite the many athelets who abuse the scholarship, there are still those athletes who may not afford it or bright enough to enter their college of choice and thus rely on these scholarships to get their desired education. If you throw out those scholarships, you throw out those diligent students too.

Laters. =)

Stan

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DaveLarry

The University of Miami will make $6 million for their Rose Bowl appearance this year. It will pay for the entire sports program and they'll probably break ground on a new library or medical center by the Spring. The University of Michican draws 90,000+ fans to their football games, they play 6 or 7 home games a year and the average ticket goes for $20.

Every Division I school in the nation has a building or two (or more) paid for by the money brought in by their athletic programs. And I haven't mentioned alumni yet and what they wouldn't give to see their alma mater kicking ass on the field.

Dave (remove college athletics? preposterous.)

Invid FanDave

In article , Dave wrote:

Not every one. The smaller Division I schools who don't rate national tv exposure can easily put more money into the program then they make back. The University of Buffalo, which just moved up to Division I-A within the last few years, is finding it tough. The NCAA keeps coming up with new rules that favor the bigger schools. The latest is a minimum game attendence they have to draw each week or risk being kicked down to a lower division.

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Invid Fan , and several others before him, contributed:

No wonder the show is constantly pre-empted by sport: like television, like newsgroup! *sigh*

Fox, can we have a few more new episodes to air and be pre-empted, please!

Graham "likes some sport... but not THIS much!"

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OmegaManmhirtes

I am not aware of any American CITIZEN, and especially any FOOTBALL FAN who has every flown an airliner into a building. Talk about being a cromag, how stupid can you be?

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I am not aware of any American CITIZEN, and especially any FOOTBALL FAN who has every flown an airliner into a building. Talk about being a cromag, how stupid can you be?

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mhirtes elaborated:

You know, some one who hates cartoons could say the same about cartoons that aren't on cartoon network. Why don't those whacked out people who refuse to grow up just go watch cartoon network and leave our network for real shows!

Not that I like football (not big on sports but football is the only sport I can't even watch live and be entertained. Least the other opnes can be fun if watching in an arena with other fans). But, point is that you aren't the only person out there and many other people have totally different views than you.

Oh, and I hate finding that my favorite shows have been pre-empted for some sports game (I hate watching any sport besides hockey on tv, and I've never had a problem with hockey pre-emtping any shows I watch).

Tigress

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mhirtesAlice Cabrera

Hey, I don't mind that at all. If we put all our toons into CN, then we can stuff all the sports crap into ESPN. Those who want to watch either have their very own channel, without it getting in the way of the viewing enjoyment of others who want to watch elsewhere. Go for it!

The world does NOT revolve around sports. It's time _some_ people in America realised that fact.

S.t.A.n.L.e.Emhirtes

On Mon, 17 Dec 2001, mhirtes wrote:

That may happen in the future. ;-) However, if you really wanna be realistic, the sports would be on broadcast channels (as they garner the higher ratings), while cartoons are all on a cable channel(s).

Of course it doesn't. But we're not talking absolutes here; we're comparing sports (specifically football) to cartoons (specifically Futurama). And in that case, sports has the edge.

Laters. =)

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TheShredderS.t.A.n.L.e.E

Not a bad idea, allthough maby they could expand basic cable by having an all toon channel for it in between 2-13 somewhere. This way people without cable won't luck out....

Although those with cable....it would be neat if we could get rid of commercials alltogether on the regular cable package, and leave commercials only for the broadcast networks. You pay, you get no commercials, it's free, commercials.

Larrymhirtes

On Mon, 17 Dec 2001 08:00:30 -0600, mhirtes wrote:

Why single out Americans? While it certainly, IMO, has too high of a place in American society, we are not alone by any means. In Europe, there have been several soccer riots in which fans were killed. In Latin America, a war was triggered by a possible bad call at a soccer match.

Of course, attempted murder to help your daughter get onto the high school cheerleading squad is an American invention.

--Larry

DaveLarry

True. While we are passionate about our sports, we don't murder one another over outcomes and our coaches aren't hunted down and killed after tough losses. Also, our stadiums rarely collapse trapping thousands, but that's more a function of economy than of sports fanaticism.

And I've never understood people flipping over cars and looting stores in the winning city.

Dave (I mean, you won.)

Leon KowalskiAlice Cabrera

In article ,

There's an idea! Cartoon Network might air the latest show following a rerun every Sunday, and do the whole thing again later in the week. As fans, we can only hope. For most of Fox's fare, they're lucky if people don't change the channel in the middle of the show. The broadcast network dinosaurs never know what to do with a show that's good enough that fans might actually watch it twice in the same week.

Yes, everyone has value as a human being. The value of mindless drones who are obsequious to authority, in particular, is that if you display enough forceful authority, they will gladly bow to the new emperor. Bring on the guillotine! Viva la revolution!

Leon Kowalski
TheShredderAlice Cabrera

I'd have to agree with you on that one. I used to hate it when we had basic cable, 2-13, and on the weekends, we got nothing but sports after all the news broadcasts/animation. Thank goodness for cable :).

But I'd much rather watch a sports game live and in person than on the tube. Ten times more fun that way. I've been to a basketball game, a baseball game, and a few hockey games(gotta love that zambonie :) ). I think I liked the Hockey Games best, since it seems to be the fastest paced one, but I found it tons more enjoyable than watching it on the tube...

Too bad there's not an animation network that can pick up the shows on broadcast and show them 24/7 anytime they get pre-empted...sometimes airing new eps as well...

Larrymhirtes

On Mon, 17 Dec 2001 01:25:50 -0600, mhirtes wrote:

That does seem like a good idea. If a game is going to run past 7:00, then don't schedule anything until 7:30. They could have ready made filler programs lined up by two minute intervals. When the game is over, they look at the time left and pop in the correct tape.

I've watch the network promo feeds. Each promo is sent in the 60 second version, then 55, 50, 45 . . . all the way down to the 15 second version of the same spot. Then they run the one that fits.

I once counted over 20 all sports channels, including a 24 hour harness racing channel. Several are regional only, but if you have C-band and you want a lot of sports, you definitely have choices.

--Larry

OmegaManmhirtes

Well, for that matter, there is a network that shows cartoons 24/7, the Cartoon Network. And none of their shows are ever pre-empted for a sports show.

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OmegaManmhirtes

Well, for that matter, there is a network that shows cartoons 24/7, the Cartoon Network. And none of their shows are ever pre-empted for a sports show.

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DaveS.t.A.n.L.e.E

What do you think Futurama and King of the Hill are between football and The Simpsons?

Dave (if not filler?)

DavidDave

In article , Dave wrote:

If that's really what they're doing, FOX shareholders ought to haul the board out on its ass. That's hugely expensive "filler material".

FOX could fill time after 'short' football games with "More Unwatchable Police Chases" that have no plot that requires setup and resolution, could easily be "joined in progress", are MORE LIKELY to retain football viewers, and are cheap as hell to produce. THEN, show the evening lineup, which presumably was lined up in the first place with some kind of skill and some kind of plan, made up of shows you cultivate and exploit.

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OmegaManS.t.A.n.L.e.E

Actually, to be blunt, Futurama is the filler.

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OmegaManS.t.A.n.L.e.E

Actually, to be blunt, Futurama is the filler.

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S.t.A.n.L.e.Emhirtes

On Sun, 16 Dec 2001, mhirtes wrote:

Oh, almost forgot. Why would the networks use "leverage" to do that when it is the networks who would be glad for overtimes? (since tight games = more exciting = higher ratings) (Incidentally, that's partly why a lot of Americans don't like soccer - too many ties! Americans want winners, someone to win.) Something to think about for you: the networks are on the side of sports on this one. ;-)

Laters. =)

Stan

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DaveS.t.A.n.L.e.E

Yup. And points. Lots of points. 0-0? A final score? An abomination! Give me Celtice 124, Lakers 118 any day.

And they've got more sayso than a Usenet kook.

Dave (god bless sports.)

OmegaManmhirtes

Wait a minute, it is the networks who are fault because they use all this time-out time to run commercials. The players don't like all the delays either. I've recorded some games, and on some I hit the pause button when a commercial comes on. It turns out without the commercials, a game runs about two hours.

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OmegaManmhirtes

Wait a minute, it is the networks who are fault because they use all this time-out time to run commercials. The players don't like all the delays either. I've recorded some games, and on some I hit the pause button when a commercial comes on. It turns out without the commercials, a game runs about two hours.

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In alt.tv.futurama, on the "Re: The NFL and Futurama" thread, mhirtes wrote:

I don't think it has anything to do with being "poopless." I think that Fox (and CBS too, when they broadcast games) is compelled by the contract they signed with the NFL to broadcast the *entire* game. Even if it's 210-3. Even if the game has less than a minute left. Even if the network thinks that it could get bigger ratings by switching to something else. Even if "Futurama" is supposed to be on.

Obviously, there are other advantages to broadcasting the game, bigger ratings being the most prominent among them, but they really don't have a choice. The network must broadcast the game, or face legal repercussions -- period.

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Invid FanBenjamin Robinson

In article , Benjamin Robinson wrote:

If it is a blowout, they'll often switch to another game and show you that one. Unless it's your home teams playing, naturaly, in which case you get to watch the whole thing.

They do have some choice. If they didn't think it would get big ratings, when one game ends early they wouldn't keep switching you to another game that's still going on.

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DaveInvid Fan

You can't know for sure unless you've got info on their contractual obligations.

John LewisDave

You know one thing that always bugged me was the fact that football players play what, 16 games a year?

Why, when there are so many more physically demanding sports out there? They should play 82 games like the basketball players, now thats a physically draining sport, with a lot more strategy involved.

You can call going for it on 4th down or not going for it strategy, but it's hardly that of a WWII general. It's hardly complicated at all.

John

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S.t.A.n.L.e.EJohn Lewis

On Sat, 5 Jan 2002, John Lewis wrote:

One of the goals in playing football is to hit hard and hurt (not necessarily injure) the opponents. After the game, everyone is black and blue, if not broken bones. That is not the case in basketball, where hitting the opponents would get you fouls and suspensions. Basketball relies a lot less in strategy but rather more on mad skillz, even with zone defenses. I should know - I play both.

Don't be a naive. The strategy is in designing the plays and play-calling, including blocking schemes and disguising blitzes. Have you ever seen a playbook? It's full of O's and X's and crisscrossing lines. Heck, legendary coach Vince Lombardi could spend the day with you just explaining the blocking assignments in the Power Sweep, going thru all the possibilities depending on what the defense does.

Laters. =)

Stan

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petbenJohn Lewis

in article CVvZ7.276682$[email], John Lewis at [email] wrote on 1/4/02 9:10 PM:

In basketball, there aren't 11 players looking to take your head off each and every play. 16 games is almost too many from a physical aspect.

OmegaManJohn Lewis

Football players get a lot more beat up in a game than do baseball players. Very little physical contact in a baseball game, mostly just a lot of standing around by the defense, and sitting around by the offense. In a football game the players are running at each other head on full speed. After that kind of pounding they are barely able to play a full 16 games. What it usually boils down to it that the team with the most healthy players at the end of the season is the one that wins the Super Bowl.

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Paul HyettDave

On Sun, 16 Dec 2001, Dave stated this considered view. Waking from my doze, I hastily scrawled -

True, but pre-empting means something different in the UK. When a sports event overruns, the displaced shows don't disappear for ever, they either get shown immediately following the finish, or are shown the following week. Our TV schedules seem far more flexible than yours in that respect.

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Steve BrandonDon Del Grande

I don't know if the mini-dish satellite TV providers in the United States offer the same sort of thing, but on Bell ExpressVu here in Canada (and, presumably, StarChoice, though I'm not 100% sure) we get both the East coast (from Boston) and West coast (from Seattle) FOX affiliates, so, if a new episode of FUTURAMA is pre-empted by football on the East coast, we can just watch it three hours later live from Seattle. We're even more spoiled when it comes to KING OF THE HILL and the SIMPSONS, 'cause Newfoundland TV shows them earlier than even FOX (on the East coast) does (the SIMPSONS is on at 5:30 p.m. Eastern followed by K.O.T.H.), and they're never ever preempted by football. But NTV doesn't show FUTURAMA, unfortunately.

Steve Brandon [email]
LarrySteve Brandon

On 16 Dec 2001 22:40:05 -0800, [email] (Steve Brandon) wrote:

You can get Canadian satellite service in the US. If you do some web surfing, you'll find a few providers who will authorize a dish in the US.

I was considering one, but he local PBS station started carrying Red Green again.

--Larry