episode downloads - divx format

Jun 9, 2001, 3:43 PM ET26 posts by 7 postersalt.tv.futurama
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Heath Holcombalt.tv.futurama

Where can I get the episodes in divx format (or mpeg2). I have already used KaZaA and iMesh and got everything they have but I still missing a few episodes. Anyone that helps I will give access to my FTP site which contains all the episodes that I have.

cable

ftp sites http sites

try Morpheus, alt.binaries.multimedia.futurama, and IRC (EFNet #Futurama and #FuturamaVCD)

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Moonlutheralt.tv.futurama

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I really doubt that. FuturamaVCD has a reason why they carry VCD in the name! You won't be able to get divx's there but you'll have a chance to get kicked real soon. Gosh, I whish someone living in the US would bother to encode the eps additionally to DIVX right from the grabbed original.

The Divx around are obviously encoded from the mpgs thus multiplaying the artifacts...

-< Moon >-
Futurama Airdates/Episode Code Translation Table @ http://home.t-online.de/home/gandim/moon/futurama_airdates.html "Oh dear, she's stuck in an infinite loop and he's an idiot!" Prof. Farnsworth in Futurama 47 [3ACV15-S03E15] - I Dated A Robot
lutherMoonalt.tv.futurama

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Good point.

Me too. In fact, I decided to start taping every episode with my VCR in SP mode for this very purpose. Unfortunately I JUST started with the last episode of season three, but I will tape every rerun and after a couple years maybe I'll have them all ;-) I've got a video capture card, just need to figure out how to do it, not to mention get the hard drive space I'll need...

Of course, if they really release the first one or two (or three?) seasons on DVD later this year that'll make things easier. ( I would buy the DVDs of course, but I would probably make a DivX archive too just for fun. Yeah, stuff like that is fun.)

Heath HolcombMoonalt.tv.futurama

Your right, people digitize the episodes using computer capture cards with avi (not divx just uncompressed video) or mpeg (mpeg2 or mpeg1). I hope soon that capture cards come out that have mpeg4 (divx;-) or divx4win, divx4linux), but I will not keep my fingers crossed. I just graduted Texas A&M (electronics engineering) and i'll get a real job soon. As soon has I get some real money I will upgrade my computer (duel AMD fastest processor overclocked, ATI Radion or NVida geForce with tv in, and all the good stuff) and I'll will start digitizing all the episodes (very very high quality) and then convert them to Divx;-) (or the latest version of mpeg4). I have an ftp site (linux box; 208.180.18.246 user:futurama pswd:futurama) with all the episodes I have, if you want go get them.

cable

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"cable" schrieb

Capturing uncompressed and comressing later will always give you a better result, so every guy with an old ATI Rage 128 oder Matrox card can make a very good capture.

LarryHeath Holcombalt.tv.futurama

On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 01:07:20 -0700, "cable" wrote:

DivX is not really being supported. so it is unlikely that you'll see a direct to DivX capture system.

Also, AVI is compressed. It's not a great compression, but uncompressed video runs (I think) 1.5GB per minute.

AMD CPUs are not designed for SMP, however, I have heard there are some mother boards that have the needed circuitry built in to allow it. Since they use independent FSB, they should kick some serious Intel butt. Duel 1.3GHZ will probably give plenty of power without overclocking.

ATI doesn't release Linux drivers, but they do co-operate with third party developers, so they may be a better choice than NVidia.

I had one NVidia based card and after 30 days, I could not get it to work properly. Tech support was impossible. The company that packaged the card told me to call NVidia, they said to contact the manufacturer, the packager told me they don't have any contact information. I went back to the store and got an ATI Rage Fury Pro (32MB) with composite video in and out. It's a pretty good card for home use and the whole thing was $79.99. It worked fine right out of the box.

--Larry

Michael HerzogLarryalt.tv.futurama

"Larry F" schrieb

AVI is just a "container", so you can't say wether it's compressed or not or how it's compressed. There are some lossless compressing codecs like HuvYuv that can also be used for capturing if that's what you mean.

On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:45:35 +0200, "Michael Herzog" wrote:

I can say and I did HA! Of course I was wrong and you are right. I haven't seen uncompressed AVIs, but they do exist.

I'm guessing that would still require a lot of very fast storage. I don't know the details, but if it can compress 2:1 that would require ~750MB per min.

--Larry

Heath HolcombLarryalt.tv.futurama

Multiprocessor with AMD AMD has just released a chipset that supports SMP (there is also a 3rd party SMP chipset that came out a few weeks ago). Offically SMP is only supported with 1 series of the Athlon but Toms Hardware (www.tomshardware.com) says they have tested several AMD processors (Duron and other series of Athlon) and they work just fine. Although you will have to use a OS that supports SMP - WinNt, Win2k, Win XP, Linux, BeOs - but not Win95/98.

Mpeg4 codecs If I understand it correctly.... Right, DivX is just a special codec for mpeg4 (although its not full compliant). From what I understand Divx (3.11 and mayo) try to use the mpg4 compression techniques but are not fully complient (if they were full complient then any codec for mpeg4 should be decoded by any other codec). Correct me if I'm wrong.

Mpeg4 drivers for Linux Hopefully mpeg4 will become as common place (and codecs become standarized) as mpeg2 and will be supported in furture captuer cards. With the new alliances of DVR (digital video recorders - TiVo, RealPlay etc...) and the emerging populatiry of Linux (I think TiVo uses Linux as its OS), hopefully companies will start releasing drivers for linux (or they will work with the XFree86 project). The XFree86 coders do a good job, but they are overworked and often 2D, 3D acceleration, and special freatures like video capture are way behind of the hardware (with XFree86 4.1 I still don't have 3D acceleration for my NVida GeForce 256 card and it has been out for at least a year).

references : www.tomshardware.com - computer x86 hardware and software www.xfree86.org - linux, BSD XWindows drivers www.divx.com - mpeg4 codec

Heath Holcomb (aka cable)

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LarryHeath Holcombalt.tv.futurama

On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:50:33 -0700, "cable" wrote:

Excellent. I heard they were coming out. I think that supporting SMP in the chipset rather than on the CPU will prove to be an advantage over Intel.

In other words, a "real" OS.

That's about what I've heard. Since no one is 100% compliant, support is still sketchy. If they all converge on a single accepted standard, then perhaps we'll see DVD players that play back DivX directly. They do support VCD and MP3 on some models.

Last I heard, Linux was growing at 40% per year. Locally I've seen it grow from a few CD's in a huge bin of cheap software to an entire aisle.

Everyone who buys a new video card should let the manufacturer know that Linux compatibility was a major reason for the decision. The card manufacturers could be persuaded to either develop drivers in house, or at least contribute some money to the people who do he developing.

I was running XFree 4.01 until a hard drive problem destroyed the boot sector. It will be a couple of weeks before I can finish with the data that is still on the disk, re-format, and re-install.

--Larry

MoonHeath Holcombalt.tv.futurama

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Is it necessary to grab and digitize them? Aren't some of the stations airing digitally so you could just copy the incoming mpeg2 stream on your HD?

-< Moon >-
Futurama Airdates/Episode Code Translation Table http://home.t-online.de/home/gandim/moon/futurama_airdates.html "Oh dear, she's stuck in an infinite loop and he's an idiot!" Prof. Farnsworth in Futurama 47 [3ACV15-S03E15] - I Dated A Robot
Michael HerzogMoonalt.tv.futurama

"Moon" schrieb

Then you just need a DVB-S/C/T card. But at least here in germany there are only a few digital stations on cable and no terrestrial one.

The MPEG2 format is propriatory but can be converted to standard MPEG2. They also sometimes air non-standard resolutions so you can't use the material for DVD or SVCD without recompression.

On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 10:24:38 +0200, "Michael Herzog" wrote:

In the US, I'm not sure about other markets, there is a combination digital mini-dish and Tivo hard drive recorder. It is possible to remove the hard drive and copy the data to a computer. Unfortunately, the data the Tivo box records is either encrypted, or their own proprietary format. Hackers are hard at work finding a way to convert the data back to a standard MPEG format.

I have heard that the mini dishes tend to blank out for a few seconds, recording the program twice may be necessary to insure a perfect copy. There will probably be a program out to find the blanks and fill it in from the second recording. Until someone does crack it, It's hard to say what they'll be able to do with it.

--Larry

MoonMichael Herzogalt.tv.futurama

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Well certainly I'm not talking of those crappy fucked up German episodes!! I wanna have the real thing and I though there might be some more stations in the US that are airing digitally.

-< Moon >-
Futurama Airdates/Episode Code Translation Table http://home.t-online.de/home/gandim/moon/futurama_airdates.html "Oh dear, she's stuck in an infinite loop and he's an idiot!" Prof. Farnsworth in Futurama 47 [3ACV15-S03E15] - I Dated A Robot

Only if you capture 640x480x24bit. No DivX or MPEG found on the net is greater than 352x240. And that's 352*240*3*30*60/1024/1024=435Mb/minute uncompressed. I was actually fine capturing 320x240x16bit, which is 320*240*2*30*60/1024/1024=264Mb per minute. Or 5.8Gb per episode. Which isn't fatal at all with 25Gb hard drives going for under $100 nowadays. Not to mention that only need that space temporarily.

Or you could capture direct to DIVX and use maybe 70mb of disk space... I can do 384*288*25fps direct to divx with 128kbit stereo mp3 audio with no dropped frames... (P3/733, 512mb RAM, 7200RPM UDMA33 drive)

Cheers - Neil

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lutherNeil Gardneralt.tv.futurama

what software do you use to capture directly to Divx format? I've got a capture card, but haven't played around with it much- i'd like to give it a try. My fastest desktop at the moment is only 600Mhz though (Athlon) so I'm not sure it will be fast enough, but its worth a try.

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Neil Gardnerlutheralt.tv.futurama

I use virtualdub (Freeware and absolutely wonderful capture / processing / conversion program

www.virtualdub.org

Just have the divx codec installed, and select it in the compression settings... I think your machine will probably handle it if you stick to 352*240 (384*288 pal) though...

Cheers - Neil

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Heath Holcomblutheralt.tv.futurama

Usually people capture with the software that came with the video capture card (usally in mpeg2 or avi format). After you have an mpeg2 or avi version you can use FlaskMpg to convert to DivX;-). Goto www.tomshardware.com www.divx.com

heath

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lutherHeath Holcombalt.tv.futurama

I'll try using virtualdub to capture direct. The last thing I want to do is capture in MPEG2 or another compression format and then CONVERT to DivX. I want to capture with the highest possible quality in DivX, and converting from another compression sure ain't that. I could capture to another lossless compression format and then convert - that would be an ok option; and one could convert to both DivX and Mpeg of choice from a lossless compression format, but I don't have the hard drive space at the moment.

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Michael Herzoglutheralt.tv.futurama

"luther" schrieb

Do that. Capturing directly to divX is IMO a no-no. When do you want to apply all the filters you need to enhance the TV picture?

If you don't have the hard drive space to capture to a lossless format like HuffYuv, it's about 1:4 (http://www.math.berkeley.edu/~benrg/huffyuv.html), try capturing to MJPEG, that's the second best choice. The PicVideo MJPEG codec is fast enough for that, bit it's not free.

DivX just produces to much noise for another recompression.

LarryOstap Benderalt.tv.futurama

On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 23:31:04 -0400, Ostap Bender wrote:

You've got 'b' (bits) instead of 'B' (Bytes). 264MB per min = 1256Mb per min. This little difference is why modems seem to be running at 1/8 of the speed they should. Software tends to report in KBs and modems are rated in Kbs.

352*240= 84480 pixels per frame 84480*3= 253440 bytes per frame (24 bit color) 253440*30= 7603200 bytes per second 7603200*60= 456192000 bytes per min 456192000/1024/1024= ~435 MB per min at 24 bit color 435*(2/3)=~290 MB per min at 16 bit color

This is slightly higher than your number because I used 352X240 (NTSC standard) for VCD.

At 704 X 480 no compression:

704*480= 337920 pixels per frame 337920*3= 1013760 bytes per frame (24 bit color) 1013760*30= 1013760 bytes per second 30412800*60= 1824768000 bytes per min 1824768000/1024/1024= ~ 1740 MB per min at 24 bit color (1.69 GB per minute) 1740*(2/3)=~1160 MB per min at 16 bit color

This standard is generally only used for professional studios. 1.69 GB per minute creates a serious hard drive problem, not just the capacity, but the speed as well. It clearly requires a high speed RAID system to capture at that rate. Even 264 MB per min requires a decent speed drive to keep up.

As for price, I have seen 60GB drives for <$100 on sale, and 40's at $100 are pretty normal. And no one will ever need more storage than that . . .

--Larry

I can assure you that I haven't :-). I'm just not into being picky about details like that. You I mean megabytes when I write Mb, don't you? If I meant megabits I'd write Mbits.

Anyhow, that's all besides the point. And the point being - it's totally possible to do decent video capture with basic hardware available nowadays. Emphasis on "decent". I.e. - not professional, but acceptable for an average user.

LarryOstap Benderalt.tv.futurama

On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:16:44 -0400, Ostap Bender wrote:

Normally, I'm not that picky either, but that one can cause some confusion. If someone doesn't make the conversion, they can get results that are way off. Kind of like forgetting to convert to metric and sending a multi-milliondollar spacecraft into a suicide landing on Mars.

There was an old riddle about the "whiskey diet" where you drink several shots of ice cold whiskey every day and lose weight. The calculations seemed pretty straight forward, it takes much more energy to heat the whiskey up to body temperature than the drink contains.

The trick is that food is measured in Calories and heat energy is measured in calories. The capitol 'C' indicates that it is Kilo-calories, 1000X more than heat calories.

I will demonstrate with this bottle of ice cold whiskey and a standard 16 oz drinking glass . . .

My capture system was built into my video card, along with DVD hardware and TV out all for $79. All things considered, it does a fine job for home use. The only place I've ever seen uncompressed video being used was TechTV. They used a 32 drive SCSI RAID system and they only edited one segment (between two commercials) at a time.

--Larry