FOX is changing its Sunday schedule:
Beginning Sunday, February 6, 2000:
7pm - Futurama 730pm - King of the Hill 8pm - The Simpsons 830pm - Malcolm in the Middle 9pm - The X-Files
Malcolm in the Middle actually premieres on Sunday, Jan 9 at 830pm, Futurama will not run in January, but will return at 7pm beg on Feb 6.
Brad
On Wed, 01 Dec 1999 19:33:02 GMT, [email] (Dancer) wrote:
Just as I thought Fox programming can't get any stupider they still do another Homer. They should have cleaned house after the Fall lineup that got Harsh Realm cancelled and Family Guy and Action on hiatus after only a few weeks. It's almost guaranteed that if there's a football game Sunday night that Futurama will have to be delayed an half hour or dropped from the lineup entirely.
As with Global, the 7pm slot is for 60 Minutes so it looks like they will put Futurama on the previous Saturday night with KOTH (think spoilers from Canada).
Haynes Lee wrote in message ...
Well, football is over with by February - well, I think the Superbowl is in February, but that's it.. I'm sure this won't be the lineup for next fall. Fox will probably move that stupid video show in at 6 CST/7EST just in case football runs late.
Hey, BTW, how was it that the Simpsons got a Sunday at 8 timeslot? That's one of the strongest times in the week....I think I recall the original airing of 7G08 (which was advertized as the NEW Christmas Special for the 90's families, and gave absolutely NO hint that this was a regular series) being on at 7PM or something like that, and then a couple weeks later my family ran into the show after a football game, and I soon began taping episodes on a weekly basis (unfortunately, I fell out of that habit by the second season, and besides an occasional taping, I didn't really pick up the habit again until season 10, when I finally realized that NOT getting primetime episodes would mean missing lines and scenes forever)
Anyone know/remember what FOX had in that timeslot before the Simpsons (remember that this was only the 3rd year of the FOX network, and at the time they were only broadcasting on weekends and Sundays.....and NO football at the time)?
Richard E Green wrote:
"In Living Color" was in the 8pm Sunday slot, according to my handy TV book.
In article , Maureen
And before that: Tracy Ullman was on at 8pm followed by Duet at 8:30.
A quick question is it my imagination or has Dan Castellaneta, Yeardly Smith and Julia Kavner been on Fox every year since its premiere? Smith,Castellaneta and Kavner were part of the cast on the Tracy Ullman show.
[email] wrote:
"I was laughing at something I saw on Herman's Head." "Hmmmm." Sincerely, Little Girl
What always made me laugh concerning Herman's Head was Fox's ads for it. If it was a new episode-"Stay tuned for a all-new Herman's Head. If it was a repeat-"Next on Fox-a funny episode of Herman's Head" How presumptuous.
That's central time, Dan. "Tracey Ullman" was never regularly scheduled in the timeslot "The Simpsons" is in today.
Scals 101 Things I Hate: # 19. Ellen DeGenerate and all her incessant whining about the "real" reason her lousy, clueless show got axed
In article , [email] wrote:
I don't remember seeing her either but according to the www.imdb.com she is listed as doing Lisa Simpsons voice on The Tracy Ullman show. Personally i don't think thats correct i thought Kavner did Lisa's voice on Tracy Ullman.
The whole idea behind the Tracy Ullman Show was that the cast was an ensemble, not only did they do comedy sketches but they acted, sang and danced. The idea was floated along to the Simpsons shorts, many of the TUS cast were the voice actors. This is probably why she felt that she was due some money after the Simpsons went on their own with much success.
In alt.tv.futurama, on the "Re: Sunday FOX Changes" thread, Dan Tropea wrote:
Nope. All of Kavner's voices have that slightly scratchy and hoarse -- yet endearing -- sound to them. (She claims it's due to a bump or irregularity on her vocal chords.) Lisa, in the "Ullman" shorts, does not have this quality. In fact, she sounds just the way you'd expect Yeardly Smith to sound.
Earler, Mr. Tropea asked:
You can add Nancy Cartwright (voice of Bart) to that list, as well. Hank Azaria and Harry Shearer came along when the "Simpsons" became a full-fledged series.
Dean Humphries noted:
I heard that Ullman seemed pretty quick to disown that idea when someone asked her about it on a talk show. It was probably her lawyers' bright idea.
Oh, and to answer Richard E. Green's original question:
Because, in those days, Fox only broadcast on Sundays. (Well, maybe by 1990 they had expanded to a whopping two days a week.) Initially, Fox was bullish on "The Simpsons," so it makes sense that they'd want to launch the show on a favorable timeslot.
In article , Dan Tropea wrote:
So "The Simpsons" has always had the 8pm slot...
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How? Because they wanted to put a show that could actually get ratings - and they didn't have very many of them that season - at one of the strongest times in the week?
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It was the 9th year (season, rather) of FOX by the time "The Simpsons" snagged the 8 PM timeslot on Sunday. By that point, FOX broadcasted every night of the week. Monday had also been added before "The Simpsons" ' Christmas special premiered.
"Married... With Children" - kicked off the timeslot for FOX's first prime time broadcast on 5 April, 1987. Aired there until October, 1987.
"Werewolf" - October, 1987 to March, 1988
"America's Most Wanted" - April, 1988 to August, 1990
"In Living Color" - August, 1990 to March, 1992
"Roc" - March to April, 1992 (six episodes only, I think)
"In Living Color" - April, 1992 to August, 1993
"Martin" - August, 1993 to July, 1994
"The Simpsons" moved in August, 1994. Has yet to go away.
Scals 101 Things I Hate: # 19. Ellen DeGenerate and all her incessant whining about the "real" reason her lousy, clueless show got axed
uh.....the 7G season was on Sundays at 8PM. They moved to Thursdays at the beginning of season 2, and stayed there for much longer than it seemed (the best episodes all aired on Thursdays, but Sunday really seemed like more of a Simpsons night)
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7G. That must be production code jargon for "first"...
And, no, I'm not just writing for the hell of it. The Christmas special and the rest of the first season aired at 8:30 (EST) following "America's Most Wanted" and displacing "Totally Hidden Video".
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Four seasons (1990-1994) were spent on Thursday.
Feel free to clarify anything else for me.
Scals 101 Things I Hate: # 19. Ellen DeGenerate and all her incessant whining about the "real" reason her lousy, clueless show got axed
really??? I could've sworn that it was at 8PM....I even have tapes advertising it at 8PM (then again....it was 9 years and 350 days ago....who can remember details)! Did the first couple of episodes air at 830, then get moved to 8PM once people started watching?
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I've got three first season episodes on tape from the original broadcasts (one with the end credits to "America's Most Wanted" before it) and there are coming up next promos of "Married... With Children" during the commercial breaks. Since one's the Christmas special and another is the last episode aired, "Some Enchanted Evening", I'd have to say no.
I confirmed with two reference books and two online sources and they all have it as having aired from December, 1989 to August, 1990 at 8:30 PM. I don't remember it airing at 8 ever that season. Not to say it didn't happen that "AMW" was pre-empted a week or two and back to back "Simpsons" episodes were run. It just wasn't its regular slot.
Also, I don't remember the pre-debut promos and I don't think I have any tape. It certainly could have been moved before it debuted. "Malcolm in the Middle" and "Manchester Prep" sure aren't going to debut in the timeslots they were announced in. One of 'em's not gonna debut at all.
Scals 101 Things I Hate: # 19. Ellen DeGenerate and all her incessant whining about the "real" reason her lousy, clueless show got axed
Haynes Lee wrote in :
Hey, hey, hey! Don't misuse it! Look in a dictionary. It's "pull a Homer", and it's only appropriate if they succeed despite this stupidity. Which is yet to be seen. Though they probably will.
If they have a football game, they will delay broadcasts. During the fuckin world series, NBC delayed the local news from 11:00pm to 1:00am.
Haynes Lee wrote in article ...
I don't think there will be any problem with football games as the last game is in January. Big thing, you've heard of it, the...... (wait for it).................Super Bowl?
Steve
That is stupid! Futurama and the Simpsons go together! (not literaly they are totally different shows) I like the "Matt Groening Hour". It's something to look forward to. And considering I hate King of the Hill I don;t wanna sit through it to watch the simpsons. Sunday night is the only night I watch TV fully!
MK "Why would someone with a t-shirt that says 'genius at work' watch a children's television show?"
John Cordner wrote in message news:[email]...
Maybe you don't *like* it, but that doesn't make it *stupid*. On the contrary, it's very smart. The spot following the Simpsons is very valuable, and a dumb marketing move on Fox's part would be to waste it on a show that's already a success. Instead, they're using it for a new show that they hope will appeal to a similar demographic as the Simpsons. In addition, the cadre that is accustomed to watching both Futurama and the Simpsons will add to King of the Hill's viewership, with KotH occupying the spot between them. You may not "wanna" sit through KotH, but Fox wants you to. Good moves by Fox's schedulers... whose job, after all, is to guarantee maximum viewership of Fox programs, not to make you happy.
--JSH
On Wed, 01 Dec 1999 23:28:49 GMT, "Jonathan S. Haas" wrote:
I do not rememember many (if any) television series surviving multiple time slot changes. Putting Family Guy after the Simpsons didn't gurantee that the viewers would follow it to Thursday nights. This is exactly what killed Married With Children after ten or eleven seasons. Nobody knew where to find it.
These days watching a new show is a really complicated process. Before you just set your vcr once and tape for the whole season. Now you just tape three episode before the show is pre-empted by a ball game, put in another time slot, put on hiatus, or downright cancelled.
That's what killed MWC? I figured it was a quickly stale plot and the Cosby-esque introduction of that little kid. By that time I had stopped watchin, and now when I catch re-runs, I still cannot figure out who that kid is supposed to be.
That kid was Seven. I think it was one of Peggy's nephew's that was abandonded by his parents, I know it was explained in one show. He only lasted about 1 season before he mysteriously disappeared, just like the time both Peggy and Marcy were pregnant for about half a season and then all of a sudden they wern't....
Scott Henrichs wrote:
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Katey Sagal was pregnant in RL. And when she wasn't anymore, they made this a dream of Al in the show. But seven disappeared without any reason given.
Speaking of which, how has the show Frasier been doing since it was moved to Thursdays? I just never got used to the time change from Tuesdays (why oh why must they change something that works so well??) and the show became less funny it seemed (although that may have just been a coincidence) and I don't even watch it anymore (except for that Peri Gilpin....she's still got it!) and lately I've been watching Greed instead. Did NBC REALLY think that the American audiences would be dumb enough to tune into Frasier, thinking that Seinfeld was still on or something? I really don't think that the Seinfeld fanrange could even understand the humour of the show (I still love that line I saw when for whatever reason I was watching WWF a couple of years ago and the commantators were talking about Frasier and the guy dressed like the King said "I watch Frasier when I do my homework...it helps stimulate my mind")
i stopped liking frasier since it turned into the girlfriend of the week show.
every week frasier, niles, martin, or all three have new girlfriends and somehow they screw it up. i thought they were supposed to be two doctors and a retired cop with a handicap... not the tv version of animal house.
Not that there's anything wrong with animal house, but it just doesn't go along with the premise of a radio psychiatrist living with his elderly father.
A Thu, 02 Dec 1999 18:15:29 GMT, en rec.arts.tv, Richard E Green escribi� en el mensaje de noticias :
It is sure better than tuning into dead air, eh? Seinfeld is over -- gone -- kaput! Something had to go into that slot, and it wouldn't be smart to put an untested program at 9:00 pm on "Must See Thursday."
just bicker�
Well, no TV network has ever gone broke assuming the American audience was stupid.
Of course, there are those of us who consider both Seinfeld and Frasier to be the technical equivalent of "dead air", except they're less entertaining and the jokes aren't as funny.
A Fri, 10 Dec 1999 18:09:27 GMT, en rec.arts.tv, Ward Donald Griffiths III escribi� en el mensaje de noticias :
Still; dead air draws no advertising revenue.
just bicker�
That calls for an experiment. Put 30 minutes of uninterrupted ads between Friends and Frasier and see what ratings it pulls.
On Sun, 12 Dec 1999 21:59:40 GMT, [email] wrote:
They do that Sat mornings, it's called children's TV. Although they do interrupt the 30 minute toy commercials for 1 minute sugar commercials.
--Larry
In article , [email] (Larry Finkelstein) wrote:
What? Like, Sesame Street or something? Or do you mean animated stuff?
In article , [email] (Dancer) wrote:
Wow. FOX really is suicidal this season. And I can't figure out who's behind it: Herzog, or what-his-face who's returned to FOX as Herzog's Boss. In either case, this is just... bad.
On Wed, 01 Dec 1999 13:19:18 -0800, [email] (Ian J. Ball) wrote:
My guess? Everyone knows FOX and Groening don't get along and moving Futurama (which is doing okay, but not great at 830pm - I think That 70s did better there, well at least in DC) is like saying F-You. Mistake in my mind - I really hoped to see Malcolm on Tuesdays.
Brad
In article , [email]
So Herzog is not just a stupid network executive he now makes schedules based on disliking creators? Brad i just assumed that it was idiotic programming to move Futurama but this reason is beyond any doubt childish, small and for the network extremely dangerous.
They need to get rid of Herzog.
It's worked that way since the beginning of network television.
If that is indeed the reason, it's totally stupid. Futurama is a great (actually the only) example of a show I watch because it's right after another show I watch. I know I won't watch the sitcom.
On Wed, 01 Dec 1999 18:31:51 -0800, Dan Tropea wrote:
d to see Malcolm on >Tuesdays.
Actually, he's great at development - and if you think FOX is alone at this, you're sorely mistaken. This has been going on at all the networks since they started.
Brad
In article , [email]
I know that network execs seem to not be the brightest bulbs around. Although i think Brandon Tartikoff was a fantastic network executive. I definately miss him.
But how exactly is Herzog great at development? Lets see when he came to Fox it was definately on a downturn now he is screwing up their only night thats competitive with the networks. What has he developed that has worked out? Action - failure, Get Real - failure, PoF spinoff - failure, Friday night duo of Harsh Realm and Caulfield - failures. He has also alienated 2 out of his four biggest creators - Groenig and Carter. I think its only a matter of time that he alienates Spelling and DEK - 2 people you do not want to alienate especially Spelling. Charmed and 7th Heaven is doing as well as any Fox show slotted against them.
Dan Tropea wrote:
That's programming not development.
He did not develop those I believe. Didn't he inherit them?
Since Carter looks like a one-trick pony, not much loss there and the alienation of Groening started long before Herzog came and his relationship with Fox has had its ups and downs.
In article , [email] (Dancer) wrote:
Is this eastern time?
What's Malcolm in the Middle?
And pacific. Central and Mountian it would be 6pm so it's worse for me.
A program similar to Married With Children(a show I have never liked except for a few times), but it's worse. I just saw one promo for it, and it certainly looks like Fox sees good hope for real-human family dysfunction which is really going to be just overboard. The network has no better concepts but to put on programs that even the non-fundimentalists wouldn't like. I wouldn't be surprised if the WB puts them in fifth place in 5 years(unless a lightbulb finally lights up in their heads).
I am also kind of sorry that the money is in age demographics these day. Are we really headed for a greedy future in business? Is it going to come to the point that we have to start brainwashing people? Will the Reform party control the congress in 20 years? What is going on?
In article , [email] wrote:
Dang. I' central, so having Futurama on at six is bad. Guess I'll have to record it.
Ugh. I hated married w/ kids.
Pretty soon it will be all mindless stuff engineered to get good ratings.
Dancer wrote in message news:[email]...
I thought Groenig insisted on 7:30 for Futurama. Futurama can't survive opposite 60 Minutes. Look how poorly King of the Hill is doing there.
In article , [email]
Bad idea. They should not split up Futurama and The Simpsons they go together like Buffy and Angel. Malcolm and Futurama should be reversed.
Could you guys possibly go from 8 - 11 instead or 7 - 10? Boston's Fox station has beyond any shadow of the doubt the worst news cast around. It makes channel 7 look professional.
Also could you have them stop running ads for their newscast during Fox shows they make me want to vomit. They are so annoying.
Although WB's news teaser last night - Pokemon For Dummies was annoying and i think WB's 56 Boston has a fairly professional newscast.
Dan Tropea wrote:
I think FOX is trying to use the "Jesse" technique on this show....they already know it's bad, but spent lots of money to produce it and by putting it between their two most popular shows, people can't help but notice it and most of the lazyasses won't even bother to change the channel while they wait for the X files to start, which will mean higher ratings.
Ugh....I saw that and it made me want to cringe. I'm not the biggest Pokemon fan, but even *I* know that Pokemon has been around in this country for quite some time (the GB game came out more than a YEAR ago) and it is NOT some new Christmas fad......
In article ,
"Malcolm" (or, at least the pilot for it), is very funny, and really comes across as a live-action "Simpsons," which does make it compatible in the timeslot. Still, it's not as perfect a fit as "Futurama," and Fox would've been much smarter to just pair it with "That '70s Show" on Tuesdays.
-Alan Sepinwall
On 1 Dec 1999 16:39:06 -0500, [email] (Alan Sepinwall) wrote:
The money was on that schedule- since FOX is moving the 1/2 hour Ally so much and putting That 70s at 8pm for December - the thought was Malcolm would get the 830pm slot. If Ally is taken off the schedule, that slot may go to the midseason Titus
Brad
A Wed, 01 Dec 1999 12:03:27 -0800, en rec.arts.tv, Dan Tropea escribi� en el mensaje de noticias :
Clearly, they think that Futurama can stand on its own, and Malcolm in the Middle will get a boost from being between Simpsons and X-Files. From what I've heard about Malcolm in the Middle, I, a constant watcher of the Simpsons and the X-Files, will be tuning out for the half-hour; who knows, I might not even make it back for X-Files. A very bad move on Fox's part.
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In article , [email] wrote:
None of the three fox stations I have ever gotten had real news casts. They did quick foxnews updates as commercails, but never a 5:00 or 10:00 news.
Ben [email] http://www.netins.net/showcase/benssite/
That sucks. Futurama could be delayed or even cancelled because of some stupid hockey game. They should have left Sundays alone and put Malcolm on some other night.
Dennis