Parasites Lost

If you'd been Fry when Leela said 'I love what you've become' would you have stopped, and gotten rid of the parasites, or just slept with Leela anyway?

I must admit I'd choose the latter! :)

first sleep, then away with the worms.

<< first sleep, then away with the worms. >>

Yeah, the worms had apparently given him more morals and self respect.

Yeah, excellent point against this kind of banal argument. Those worms had enhanced Fry's attitude to Leela, to one of a more caring nature, less childish, so he had to do what he did... for his and her own sakes.

Graham

http://www.leela.com.ar/

On Mon, 31 Dec 2001, Robert J. Muldoon stated this considered view. Waking from my doze, I hastily scrawled -

Actually, I think it was Fry himself, rather than the worms, that made him check whether Leela really wanted *him*, rather than what the worms made of him.

<< Actually, I think it was Fry himself, rather than the worms, that made him check whether Leela really wanted *him*, rather than what the worms made of him. >>

I know. As Graham put it, "Those worms had enhanced Fry's attitude to Leela, to one of a more caring nature, less childish, so he had to do what he did... for his and her own sakes."

Whatever humanity Fry had within himself, it was certainly heightened by those worms being inside his body. Before the worms, Fry had a certain difficulty expressing himself in such a warm and caring way, but the worms helped him to focus on this aspect within his character; they allowed him to finally grow up.

Graham

http://www.leela.com.ar/

"Graham" wrote in message news:[email]...

That's exactly why I didn't understand why he got rid of them. They didn't really *change* him, they enhanced feelings in his body that he couldn't express on his own, and they improved his physical being as well. People take drugs and other such things to improve these behaviors. Why are the worms any different?

-Anthony Regina

On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Anthony Regina stated this considered view. Waking from my doze, I hastily scrawled -

But drugs don't actually do that, they just make you *think* you have.

"Paul Hyett" wrote in message news:[email]...

didn't

I think Anthony probably meant doctor-prescribed drugs taken as part of a treatment for emotional or psychological problems, as opposed to self-administered mood-altering drugs taken for recreation or enhancement. In a sense, to Fry, the worms were like a 31st century version of Prozac or Paxil.

On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Aaron R. Teitlebaum stated this considered view. Waking from my doze, I hastily scrawled -

On a side issue, 31st century USA seems more liberal - Crack available from vending machines, suicide booths etc.

"Paul Hyett" schrieb

Compare our society with the 50ies and the extrapolate to the year 3000. Everything except of public nudity, but there are conspirancies. ;)

His new found enlightenment made him fear (and rightly so) that people (especially Leela) liked the worms (what they did to him), they didn't like the real Phillip J. Fry. Like when someone loves you only for your money? Think Anna Nicole Smith and her 987 year old husband.

"Robert J. Muldoon" wrote in message news:lCAY7.11717$[email]...

like

Hey! You're not insinuating that Anna Nicole Smith was only with that guy for his money are you?

Does no one believe in the love anymore? Did no one heed the haunting, catchy, yet slightly over-produced melodies of Huey Louis and the News?

That my friend, is the power of love.

nathan

Seems a bit unfair towards Leela. What she saw was the good, mature side within Fry coming out, the side that she wished he would eventually acquire (thing was that she's been looking for this kind of man her lifetime, one that would treat her right... not just financially, but emotionally). This wasn't about money, or other trivial personal things, it was about acquiring humanity, maturing, something that Fry had difficulty doing, but which the worms had allowed him to bring to the fore. As she said in a later episose: "The thing is, Fry is very sweet, but he's so immature. I love his boyish charm, but I hate his childishness." It was this that the worms had fixed for her... and it has to be said, for himself too. Maybe Leela was being selfish, but also there could have been some feeling that she was doing the best thing for him as well, no matter how misguided it was.

Bottom line is: emotions can make you do strange things, especially if you're desperate for warmth and feelings!

Graham

http://www.leela.com.ar/

I didn't SAY it was about MONEY! It was a metaphor! Haven't you heard of teaching through examples!

Then maybe you should choose your metaphors a bit more carefully.

I still say that's the wrong metaphor to have used, hence the supposed harshness that was implied by what you wrote.

Graham

http://www.leela.com.ar/

On Wed, 02 Jan 2002 23:29:19 GMT, "Robert J. Muldoon" wrote:

I can see the metaphor, but it was a bit thin. The worms made major changes in Fry's personality. He was becoming a different person. Arguably, that was his more mature potential self, not a foreign personality imposed on him, however, it was quite different from money. After all, Leela didn't fall for him when he was very rich.

The strength / weakness of the metaphor hinges one thing. If Fry got rid of the worms, but remained the emotionally mature, intelligent person he had become, would Leela have still wanted him? And, would Anna Nicole Smith still been in love with Moses' grandfather if he lost his money, but remain the same person?

BTW: Funny you should mention him being 987 years old. I didn't think he looked a day over 875. It's amazing how an oxygen mask covers the years.

The worms were victims of their own success. They gave Fry the maturity and self respect to reject personal progress that he did not achieve himself. He risked, and lost, improved health, maturity, intelligence and the love of his life, all to accept the destiny he had earned for himself.

That, and Fry was an idiot. He could have worked out a deal with the worms to stay, but only make the changes he wanted. For that matter, a symbiotic arrangement to live with the entire human race.

You mean like exploring contemporary moral issues by placing them in fictionalized places and times, such as Gilbert and Sullivan's "The Mikado" which examined the British government by placing the story in Japan, or Rodenberry's protesting America's involvement in SE Asia with the "Prime directive", placed in earths's distant future?

Nope, never heard of such a thing. . .

--Larry

=v= Fry is 1027 years old, give or take a year. <_Jym_>

On 03 Jan 2002 19:42:10 -0800, Jym Dyer wrote:

Not Fry, the elderly guy who married A.N. Smith.

--Larry

On Wed, 2 Jan 2002, Robert J. Muldoon stated this considered view. Waking from my doze, I hastily scrawled -

When I go, I hope I'm married to someone like her! :)

<< When I go, I hope I'm married to someone like her! :) >>

Personally, I'd like to imagine myself having more dignity than that at any age.

"Anthony Regina" schrieb

Fry would say - "But Anthony, I had WORMS."