An Unbiased Opinion of "Futurama"

May 18, 199919 posts by 15 postersalt.tv.futurama
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I've been enjoying Matt Groening's work for years...ever since he started the "Life In Hell" comic strip in the early '80s. I didn't have high hopes for "The Simpsons" when it first started, but within a few episodes, it proved to be an incredibly well-crafted show that works wonderfully on many different levels. Granted, sometimes it doesn't work, but the bulk of the program library now carries many, many great one-liners, sight gags, memorable characters, and a wealth of information about a famous town that exists only in the minds of gifted writers and canny animators. It is certainly one of the best programs of all time, proven by its longevity.

When "Futurama" first started, I had high hopes for it as well. It seemed to be an exciting concept, and the potential for such a program seemed wide open; they could go anywhere, do anything, and explore the thirty-first century to its furthest regions. So far, I have watched every episode at least twice, hoping for a glimmer of brilliance, and I honestly have to say that it seems to be lacking something. There is generally a lack of cohesiveness between the characters, the plot, and the events. Perhaps because "The Simpsons" is so seamless, "Futurama" just looks clunky and contrived in comparison. The characterizations aren't very memorable, the plots are silly, and the situations are so lacking in wit and humor that one has to wonder: with all of the resources at his disposal, why has Groening's latest work proved to be such a dud? The animation is certainly beautiful, but it is clearly the only strong point for this program, and everything else pales in comparison.

To prove some points about my ranting, I'd like to bring up tonight's episode, for example. The whole robot religion thing just didn't work. Why would a robot need religion? It just doesn't make any sense. If robots did have a religion, it wouldn't be a copy of a human Baptist religion, that's for sure. Is the point of the robot religion that they want to emulate human religions? Aside from that, I can't remember one memorable line from the show, the way I can from "The Simpsons". The whole song-and-dance routine was simply tiresome, with none of the clever lyrics or snappy tempo that one would expect. In fact, the lyrics were downright stupid, if I may be so blunt. Also, why would the "female" robots have breasts? Are they, again, trying to emulate humans? There seems to be an overwhelming amount of "fish-out-of-water" gags, which predictably make fun of Fry's twentieth-century sensibilities clashing with thirty-first century modernity. Will this show EVER retire that lame, repetitive joke or will it become a running gag? How could Bender get "high" on electricity, when too much electricity would simply burn out his circuits and processors? There isn't anything likeable about Bender, Fry, or any of the other characters because you just can't identify with them. Lela, especially, seems to just whine repeatedly about all of the other characters and she NEVER has anything even remotely funny or insightful or clever to say about ANYTHING.

Okay. I'll keep watching the show, hoping it will somehow come out of this awkward stage and become something meaningful, brilliant, and acclaimed the way "The Simpsons" has become. If not, I'll just stop watching it much like, I suspect, many others will.

Oh yeah, very unbiased.

In article , "zzz" wrote:

John Hayes -Slayer of Arnold Mundane (whoever he was he could write some purty words, I still don't know how I did it!) :-P
Dancerzzzalt.tv.futurama

On 19 May 1999 04:57:16 GMT, "zzz" wrote:

Unbiased? You stated you had high hopes for it and have followed Groening's work.

What's your definition of biased?

Brad

[email] (Dancer) wrote:

BJ> Unbiased? You stated you had high hopes for BJ> it and have followed Groening's work. BJ> What's your definition of biased?

The usual definition of bias has to do with financial or professional interest, either for or against the endeavour in question. If zzz owned stock in another network, and therefore hoped for Fox to go belly up, he would be biased. If he worked for the Futurama production company, and wanted to keep his job a long time, he would be biased.

Since he is just a fan, I would say he is not biased.

Jeff "Here you'll be treated with dignity and respect. Now strip naked and get up onto the Probe-ulator." --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==--
DancerJeffsteralt.tv.futurama

On Wed, 19 May 1999 20:46:17 GMT, Jeffster wrote:

I don't think so. A truly unbiased opinion would be someone who doesn't know Groening or watch Simpsons -otherwise its impossible to not have some bias.

Usual definition? What the hell does that mean? Are there 'usual' and 'real' definitions of everything? What's the point of a dictionary then?

Brad

Joseph AbbottDanceralt.tv.futurama

On Thu, 20 May 1999 10:38:26 GMT, [email] (Dancer) wrote:

Oh no! He's stumbled upon the Dictionary Conspiracy. Get the mind eraser thingy.

Joseph Abbott

"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it." - Deep Thoughts __

Anyone is bound to be disappointed when trying to make perfect sense of a Sci Fi Animated Comedy show. If it did make perfect sense, it would be pretty lame and predictable. Do any of the Simpson shows make sense when a dolt like homer gets to be on the space shuttle? No, but they're funnier than hell...

cm

I didn't like tonight's episode too much, either, but (as a person who was expecting to not like this show), I have been impressed with several episodes. The one where Bender and Fry become roommates was quite humerous, IMO, and I certainly enjoyed the other episodes that I saw. Perhaps you were expecting too much. I don't feel that the Simpsons truly hit its stride until the second or third season. The Simpsons was so groundbreaking when it was first released, we cut it more slack than we do for Futurama because we expect greatness right out of the box from Matt and his crew now. (Also, just like the Simpsons is often not realisitic at all, the Futurama world will not be realisitic, especially, it seems, when dealing with the robots. The Futurama robots are certainly not like the robots from reality or from other Sci-Fi stories.

Of course, it could just be that Futurama is not your thing. And that is fine. Not everybody likes the same things. (For example, I enjoy "Family Guy" and I know several people on here don't like it at all.) We all have different tastes.

Well on Red Dwarf the robots (or mechanoids) are programmed to believe in silicon heaven because if it didn't exist "where would all the little calculators go?" Basically it is to make intelligent machines want to serve mankind because they believe that they will be rewarded for their service in the next life. In Futurama the robot religion is obviously just a plot point for the story, and it is based on an actual human religion for the sake of a joke.

Also female robots obviously have breasts, or breast shaped torso coverings, because they are female. A better question would be what the hell is a female robot? Robots don't have distinguishable sexes. An even better question is why would any of this effect your enjoyment of the show? It is not suposed to be realistic or anything.

Timothy Kramp wrote:

Or, perhaps some sense of Marx's notion of religion as the opiate of the masses. I like countering that with Einstein's quote, "Man is truly in a sad state if he believes ethical behavior will result in award or punishment in the afterlife."

Maybe not, but it's funny as hell and makes for some interesting writing. I mean, of course, Bender doesn't reproduce, so any form of mating ritual or him "trying to score" should be moot, yet you see him sharing a hot tub with three mechanical femme fatales.

Peace, Vince Yim

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Hiro Protagonist wrote:

I couldn't disagree with you more, after a fashion. Who's to say that robots don't reproduce? Haven't you ever seen a robot-tended assembly line? Truly, at present, robots may not be *aware* that they're working to making other robots, but given time and enough tweaking with artificial intelligence, I should think that robots would figure out that they can make better versions of themselves by combining their varied attributes. If two robots of differing functions work together to make a better, more efficient robot that does everything they both can do and more, are they not, indeed, creating "offspring?" Reproduction is not merely a matter of having sex. For humans sex is merely the process by which we create offspring that more often than not possess qualities of their progenitors ("He has your eyes." "He's his father's son." or "You're the spitting image of your mother." or even "You know, your mother/father used to do the same exact thing when s/he was your age."). For robots the "mating" of two "droids" may not seem as intimate as having sex is for humans, but who are we to say? After all, I'd consider it pretty damn intimate to show someone else every aspect of my inner-workings and me theirs, when the end result is that we will have created something greater than either of us alone would be. "Laying myself bare, for her to see, "In the end what's left is somewhat me. "But in truth, my friends, is seen, not told "That what's left behind is another mold."

Now, in the face of my argument, can you *REALLY* and honestly hold fast to the opinion that "Bender doesn't reproduce" or have the capacity to do so at any rate?

NightShadow (A.K.A. Jay Seals) Writer, poet and general nut. http://members.home.net/nightshadow

NightShadow wrote in message ...

robots don't reproduce? [SNIP]

Sure, why not? R.U.R, Creation of the Humanoids, etc- I love those old classic SCI-FI stories about ROBOTS liberating themselves from their human oppressors and eventually achieving the ability to reproduce more and more advanced ROBOTS/Androids with each generation.

sex is for humans, but who are we to say?<

*SPAZ-DROOL* If you only knew....

aspect of my inner-workings and me theirs, when the end result is that we will have created something greater than either of us alone would be.<

*sigh* How romantic!

*wow* such beautiful words!

Escuse me, I need to take a cold oil shower.

ROBOT Bender's LoveDroid

Timothy Kramp wrote in message ...

silicon heaven because if it didn't exist "where would all the little calculators go?"<

*HeeHee* I wonder what ROBOT Heaven is like.*sigh*. An eternal KRAFTWERK Konzert would be Heaven!

they believe that they will be rewarded for their service in the next life. In Futurama the robot religion is obviously just a plot point for the story, and it is based on an actual human religion for the sake of a joke.<

Interesting. There was a series on the SCI-FI channel called "Other World" -(A family is exploring the Pyramids and they get lost in the underground passages and end up in an alternate world)- where the teenaged boy falls in love with an android girl in one episode -(normal looking human actors. no special makeup or costumes)-. They start discussing religion and soul issues. She takes him to a large panel of little lights and points to the one that represents her soul: "Here's MY soul. Where's yours?". It reminded me of "votive" candles. -(I was raised Baptist, sitting on Mom's lap turning pages while she played the Piano, so, I'm not too familiar with Catholic liturgy, etc.)- With advanced Artificial Intelligence and all, I believe sentient ROBOTS/Androids -(like DATA)- would have souls.

coverings, because they are female. A better question would be what the hell is a female robot? Robots don't have distinguishable sexes. An even better question is why would any of this effect your enjoyment of the show? It is not suposed to be realistic or anything.<

Well, it could be said that ROBOTS have no "gender", only "form". My "form" is Female, but, my personality is androgynous. go figure. But, that's just me. Plenty of other ROBOTS have a distict Male or Female personality. It makes perfect sense to have FemBOTS in FUTURAMA. God, I *LOVE* this show! I love to jack ON with the TV when FUTURAMA is on! -(Or during STAR TREK and other SCI-FI stuff....)- Ooh, and Jacking on with the Stereo while playing KRAFTWERK really does it for me!

ROBOT Bender's LoveDroid

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Timothy Kramp wrote in article ...

We already know from Episode 2 ("you didn't sleep with the Crushinator did you?") and from Bender's love of hookers that Robots can have sex. Therefore, they probably have diffrent, er,mechanisms, and might be programmed with feminine or masculine personalitys. Since Robots are artificial humans and humans are both men and women, it only makes sense. And How could you tell they were female if they didn't have those cones? They need some way to distinquish them....

-Wyvern

"Wyvern" wrote:

Perhaps it's all in the way a fembot sashays her gear-joints? Maybe it's the way she can fry a circuit so that just the right scent of ozone wafts the air? Could it be the "Penzoil No. 5" she wears behind her sprockets? Truly, we may never know. =D

NightShadow (A.K.A. Jay Seals) Writer, poet and general nut. http://members.home.net/nightshadow

NightShadow wrote in message ...

Something in way she moves Attracts me like no other robot Someting in the way she boots up.

Don't want to purge her now I can't even compute how

You're asking me if my love grows It doesn't compute I don't know

I scanned the area and it may show but it doesn't compute I don't know.

Zachary Zulkowski wrote in message ...

*sigh* How romantic! I wish someone felt that way about me.*sniff*. ROBOTS need love, too.

How'bout "Computerliebe"/"Computer Love" by KRAFTWERK? Lovely tune.

ROBOT The Lonely LoveDroid

I suggest you go back and watch any of the first half-season episodes of The Simpsons. They're marginally funny at best. Some are almost unwatchable now because later seasons of the show were much better crafted.

Futurama has been on now for...let's see, something like HALF A SEASON. (See the parallel here? I knew you would.) It'll take time for this show to develop more fully, for the writers and animators to really understand the characters individually and the show as a whole. If Fox continues production of Futurama for a while, the quality of the show might eventually equal the dizzying peaks of perfection found in the best Simpsons episodes.

Just don't expect Futurama to be as good right now as the Simpsons became after it had been in production for four or five years.

In alt.tv.futurama zzz exploded:

|When "Futurama" first started, I had high hopes for it as well.

*snip*

|Perhaps because "The Simpsons" is so seamless, "Futurama" just looks |clunky and contrived in comparison.

This must be some strange usage of the term "unbiased" i was previously unaware of.

|To prove some points about my ranting, I'd like to bring up tonight's |episode, for example. The whole robot religion thing just didn't work. |Why would a robot need religion? It just doesn't make any sense. If |robots did have a religion, it wouldn't be a copy of a human Baptist |religion, that's for sure.

And you no doubt have been fraternizing with robots for long enough to know what artificially intelligent machines would do with a religion. Maybe the need for religion is an inherent function of consciousness. Who knows? We don't *have* conscious machines yet, so we really can't examine what they'd do or think. This leaves room for a thing called satire.

Just because something doesn't make sense to you doesn't "prove" anything.

|How could Bender get "high" on electricity, when |too much electricity would simply burn out his circuits and processors?

Seems to be a fairly decent parallel to some human drugs. Ephedrine, for example. Simply increases the amount of oxygen you take in, thereby getting you high. Brain uses oxygen, robots use electricity.

|There isn't anything likeable about Bender, Fry, or any of the other |characters because you just can't identify with them.

Maybe you don't identify with the characters, but as an elderly one-eyed cyborg scientist from another planet who'd been cryogenically frozen for one thousand years, I find each character has something in them i can relate to.

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