Well, thanks to daylight savings time, which we in AZ don't observe, I missed Cyber House Rules last night. I am downloading it in MPEG format right now, so I should be able to watch it tomorrow.
Until then, it was the worst episode ever. I hate the way it is now and not like the way it was. It was a perfect example of how it was so much better in the old days a year ago before the writers changed and the show changed and kids don't respect their elders anymore. GET OFF MY LAWN!!!
--Larry
Larry F wrote:
Since you brought it up, what the hell is wrong with you people?? It's good enough for the other 49 but not for you? What's the story?
And didn't you also not celebrate MLK Jr. Day either until forced?
BTW, good luck tonight, hope you kick the living shit out of Coach Kzyskzxyxzkxski and the rest of those Duke assholes.
56k sucks, huh?
Dave wrote:
One could also ask that about the rest of us. Jumping around the clock all willy nilly.
"Mike Zaite" wrote in message news:[email]...
2 one hour changes a year is "all willy nilly"? I'd hate to see your idea of boring.
LooseChanj wrote:
Willy Nilly isn't a measurement of activity, Its a measure of Order. All Willy Nilly is somewhere between Meandering (more order) and Cavorting (less order).
The point being of course, that noone will ever be able to successfully explain why Daylight Savings is necessary.
uh, wizards did it!
Willy
|(less order).
My original comment still applies. You're just trying to remove scale from the argument, which is just ludicrous.
And I can't believe I just spelled ludicrous right.
Ludicrous speed, NOW!
LooseChanj wrote:
LooseChanj just went Plaid.
On Mon, 02 Apr 2001 21:31:50 -0400, Dave wrote:
How did that do it? Do you have one of those "smart" VCRs that goes to DST, whether you want it to or not?
The last thing we want when it's 115F is another hour of sunlight in the evening. Sooner the sun goes down, the sooner you can get outside and do something.
On Tue, 03 Apr 2001 01:16:11 -0700, Alan Hamilton wrote:
It's an option, which is currently turned off.
I get Fox 31 from Denver via satellite. When Denver switched time, everything started an hour earlier. I sat down at 5:40 which should give me 20 mins to charge my fuel cells with alcohol and other chemical energy sources. Instead I missed the show by 40 mins.
I like to become nocturnal in the summer. At about 4:00am it can cool down to a brisk 80-85F.
6+6+90 = 122 on 6/6/90 it was 122F
--Larry
Larry F wrote:
You know Larry, if I didn't know any better I'd swear you don't like Arizona.
On Wed, 04 Apr 2001 02:30:06 GMT, Mike Zaite wrote:
Yeah, some people seem to get that from innocent comments like "When America get an enema, this is where they'll stick the tube".
Summers are unbearable, and our politics are a joke. On the plus side, it can get into the low 70's in the dead of winter, and the economy stays pretty healthy even during recessions. If you stay indoors in the summer and don't watch the local news, it's not too bad. Mostly, I stay because my family, my friends, my business and my house are all here. Moving would be a lot of work and do I look like a guy who's not lazy?
--Larry
Larry F wrote:
It's just sad. I've been trying to move to Arizona for 3 years now to get away from the verry things that keep you there and on account of the things that you hate. (Except the politics thing.)
"Larry F" wrote in message news:[email]...
If you like that, you should try it with matching humidity. Halfway to work you're wondering why you took a shower. When you get there, you start to wonder *if*. And that's just walking across the parking lot.
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Larry F stated this considered view. Waking from my doze, I hastily scrawled -
Sh*t - it rarely reaches that in mid-*afternoon* in July here (UK)!
73-74F is our average July daytime temperature.
On Thu, 5 Apr 2001 07:26:17 +0100, Paul Hyett wrote:
We can hit that in a warm December, though it can get a little cold here and it snows two or three time a century. Mid afternoon in July is generally 110-115F. Touching a car or metal fence can cause a blister.
Phoenix is a low valley and the surrounding mountains keep most of the cloud cover and rain out. Outside the valley, the climate changes pretty rapidly. You can go from 110F to snow caps in a three hour drive.
--Larry
On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Larry F stated this considered view. Waking from my doze, I hastily scrawled -
It snows more often than that here, but you'd think from the chaos it causes that it doesn't!
I live at 52�N in the UK, but we have the mildest winters of anywhere this far north.
That's a very dry heat though, isn't it? When we got hot spells here, it tends to be humid heat.
On Fri, 6 Apr 2001 07:12:23 +0100, Paul Hyett wrote:
When it rains here, as it did yesterday, there are accidents all over the place. Long time residents tend to forget how to drive on wet roads. When it snows, everyone just stops and stares. I've only seen snow make it to the ground without partially melting once (Dec '90). It was a giant banner headline in the next day's paper. Partially and completed melted snow is a little more common.
The US / Canadian border is about 48�N. Your temps are probably kept mild by the ocean currents. Canada gets tons of snow that far north.
It's dry heat through the end of June. By mid July it starts to get a little humid.
When the humidity is in the single digits, even over 110F, you can keep pretty comfortable with a spray bottle of water and shade.
--Larry
On Sat, 7 Apr 2001, Larry F stated this considered view. Waking from my doze, I hastily scrawled -
Comfort, and 110F heat, are not two phrases I'd ever have connected, no matter how low the humidity! :)
On Wed, 04 Apr 2001 02:25:56 GMT, [email] (Larry F) wrote:
You don't get any of the Arizona stations? KSAZ/10 in Phoenix and KMSB/11 in Tucson air it at 6pm MST.
On Thu, 05 Apr 2001 03:29:44 -0700, Alan Hamilton wrote:
I live in Phoenix and I can get a marginal signal from KSAZ. In a few more months, Cox is supposed to have cable modem in my neighborhood. At that time, I'll get the local channels on cable. For now, the satellite signal is much clearer that the local broadcast.
--Larry
That sort of happened to me last year in reverse. My VCR *DID* change to DST, but I didn't know it was going to, so I changed the time the night before, and then it changed it another hour and I wound up reocrding 2 hours before I wanted to. Took me 3 days to figure it out!
Part of Indiana also does not change their clocks. Actually, DST is not good enough for me, either. It takes me 6 months to get used to it. Maybe I'll move to Arizona myself, where they don't screw around with the time.
Paul
On Mon, 02 Apr 2001 21:31:50 -0400, Dave wrote:
This is what's known as a stinking desert. We have plenty of daylight and an extra hour wouldn't do us much good.
We celebrated it for a long time, but we didn't observe it. That means there were rallies, but no official day off. At the time all this was going on, our governor was Evan Mecham. He was the laughing stock of the entire country. He was recalled and a new election was set, but he got impeached and charged with numerous felonies before he could be voted out. Somehow, the courts decided that it was legal for his election campaign to loan his car dealership about $100,000 and he managed to avoid jail time. He was the one who rescinded the holiday just before the first observance. After his impeachment, it was passed pretty quickly.
Later we elected Fife Symington, who was convicted for multiple counts of fraud. While awaiting re-trial, Bill Clinton pardoned him.
You can't write satire better than that.
I don't watch sports much, but I heard we lost that one.
Big time! But on the other hand, it kicks ass on my 14,400. Should I mention that the system I first learned on was a 300bps? Nah!
A least it did download complete and I got to watch it.
Just a few more months until cable modem gets here.
--Larry
Ever been to Arizona? It gets HOT in the daytime in the summer. We appreciate all the night time we can get, because then it sort of cools off. So why in the hell would we want an extra hour of daylight in the summer? If anything, it would be better if the clocks here were set back in the summer. But, not wanting to get time too far out of whack, we just leave the clock alone.
Maybe we just felt we had better things to do with our tax dollars than give the state employees yet another free day off so they could spend their time fishing or golfing instead of attending to the taxpayers.
On Tue, 08 May 2001 04:00:06 GMT, Hundsfurtz wrote:
Going to AZ and NV in the summer makes no sense whatsoever. I live here. I probably need therapy. What's your excuse?
A stopped clock is right twice a day. But, a clock that's running backwards really fast will be right more frequently than that. So if you take a stopped clock and make it run backwards very fast, have you improved it?
Look at the rest of the country. Is that a bad thing?
They may have entirely different reasons for not going on daylight savings. In AZ, One of the main reasons for not changing here is the heat. Much of AZ is low desert. That means the sun sets very late as there are few mountains to provide shade and little cloud cover. Adding an hour of additional daylight would work against us. We used to be on DST, but it was dropped by the state legislature.
NV is a bit further north and they have more mountains. The Capitol is Reno which is quite a ways north from Las Vegas, which is also a low desert. So with northern NV being cooler and Las Vegas being very concerned with traveler's convenience, they do go on DST.
I can't account for why Saskatchewan doesn't do it. They are Canadian. It's a totally different country. Different pictures on money and everything. For more information write to:
Why does Canada do things? C/O The Canadian Government Canada, CA
Include return postage and please wait 7 years for your reply.
--Larry
Larry F wrote in message news:[email]...
Somebody's dodging the real argument.
Mighty high horse you're sitting on there. I'm sure for people in AZ that have to communicate around the country, it causes problems. It's also a nussance to those aroundthe counrty that have to communicate all over, including AZ, because for one stubborn state out of fifty they have to make exceptions.
One could make the same argument here, in the Colorado Rockies. It gets pretty cold in the winter high up, and there's a lot of snow. At night the snow doesn't melt and it's coldest. Why should we go OFF Daylight Savings Time? Why can't we just keep that extra hour of Daylight in the winter, when we could actually use it?
Because it's stupid to do so.
The Capital is Carson City, not Reno. I don't know where Carson City is but one capital city won't affect the entire state. All cities have plenty of say.
Hundsfurtz wrote:
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How would that help heating costs? It's Cold 24Hrs a day in winter. However in AZ If it gets dark at 7 (ST) instead of 8(DT) that's one more hour of comfort to go out and do stuff before you have to go to sleep to get up in the morning. Not that I get it. I went to Tucson in the middle of summer and couldn't get enough outside time during the day. I'd move down there now if it weren't for the fact that I mooch off my parents.
Hundsfurtz wrote:
Nixon was a moron aparently.
No they are lazy.
Hundsfurtz wrote:
Of course that was also the schmuck who canned the Apollo program. No wonder Gerald Ford looked like such a better Idea at the time.
Yea like Siting!!! And Eating their food!!! Bastards.
On Wed, 09 May 2001 07:03:11 GMT, Hundsfurtz wrote:
I think he was more evil than stupid.
Even after his re-election was in the bag, he authorized hiring burglars to plant listening devices in Democratic headquarters so he could further manipulate the election. He also had the office of an opponent's psychiatrist ransacked so they could read confidential notes and use the information against him.
"All the President's Men" and "The Whitehouse Tape Transcripts" are generally available at used bookstores anywhere.
I bought a bunch of the Nixon stamps a few years ago. It is refreshing to think about the fact that only dead people can be portrayed on stamps. For some reason they didn't stick to envelopes. I think I was spitting on the wrong side.
--Larry
"Larry F" wrote in message news:[email]...
Now if we could just get people to feel that way about both sides of the aisle...
Why not change the time that you get up and go to bed instead of changing the clock? For example instead of getting up at 6 get up at 7 and instead of going to bed at 10 go to bed at 11 and visa versa. That way you get an extra hour of light in your life without having to change the clock.
Mike Zaite wrote:
Bob wrote:
Because people are stupid and it would mess up their precious work schedules.
"Mike Zaite" wrote in message news:[email]...
schedules.
I like Bob's idea, but then I'm not stupid.
On Sat, 12 May 2001 11:25:05 -0400, "LooseChanj" wrote:
In seasonal fields, it is quite common to change hours between winter and summer. In AZ when we had daylight savings, some places just changed their hour to counteract the clock change, thus achieving the worst of both worlds.
If you can remember to changed to settings on your clock, you can remember to come in to work an hour earlier. You can also shift your work schedule by a half hour earlier two weeks in a row, that way you never lose an hour of sleep at once.
Anyplace that runs 24 hours a day can simply continue without any change. Whereas, companies that are even more sensitive to daylight hours can adjust their schedules whenever they need to. In particular, summer construction work (in AZ at least) needs to start as soon after sunrise as possible. Usually, they show up an hour before to set equipment up. By noon, it is way too hot to be doing physical labor outdoors.
Makes good sense to me.
--Larry
"Larry F" wrote in message news:[email]...
I'd like to see time zones abolished completely. I have no problem with the sun rising at X O'clock, but I do when I have to remember when exactly 3pm is Sydney time. Of course, it'd probably make all the stupid peoples' brains explode, but that's just another bonus.
On Sat, 12 May 2001 20:58:29 -0400, "LooseChanj" wrote:
I like the idea of everyone using GMT. Then your local time zone will be a number between 0 and 23, indicating how many hours off your local is. If your time zone is 8 and Sydney is 17, you're 9 hours different.
Remember the idea of a universal internet time called "beats". Swatch tried to push it as a new standard to tell time by. Fortunately, it went away.
Yup, time to thin the heard.
That was a total shock. A great loss to comedy and sci fi.
--Larry
"Larry F" wrote in message news:[email]...
If we're all on the same time, there's no need to distinguish. And with the world as interconnected as it is now, what's the point? Might as well use longtitude.
I'll phone Population Clearing House.
Just imagine if he'd died 7 years ago.
On Wed, 09 May 2001 00:33:24 GMT, Hundsfurtz wrote:
"It's hotter that Hooker in Heater and hotter that Heater in Hellmouth where temperatures reached 140 degrees" --Firesign Theater 'Everything You Know is Wrong'
Of course, not all of AZ is hot. The San Francisco Peaks, which are near Flagstaff, are snow capped all year long.
Usually people visit here in January, when the afternoons hit 70F. Then you can call all your friends and relatives in the northeast and laugh at them.
It's like putting instant coffee in a microwave. Instant coffee means it ready instantly. That means right now. A microwave speeds things up and what's faster than right now? Yesterday. So when you make instant coffee in a microwave, it's ready yesterday. Thus it's both cold and stale before you can drink it.
In theory, both gravity and time may be quantum events. If that is true, then there in a minimum quantity of time, just as there is for light. I have never heard a word for the temporal equivalent of a photon, but a 'chronotron' might be it. For gravity, I believe they call it a 'W' particle. Damn those lazy sub-atomic particle physicists.
As in any issue, there are certainly benefits either way. Overall, I prefer not changing the clock.
And then there's the loop problem. At 3:00AM you set the clock back to 2:00AM. Then an hour later it's three again so you set it back . . . At least with shampoo, you'll eventually run out and have to leave the shower.
10 lather 20 rinse 30 goto 10
It probably didn't work as well as they planned. Just like the three phase wage and price freezes.
Correct on both points. Las Vegas doesn't seem too concerned about saving energy. Since most of the city runs 24 hour a day, DST would make a minimal difference there anyway.
--Larry
Larry F wrote:
I always took time as a spatial dimension not a Quantum event. And the elusive Graviton is the Gravity particle. W is I beleve either one of the Weak Nuclear or Electroweak.
On Wed, 09 May 2001 06:32:03 GMT, Mike Zaite wrote:
I have also been of the opinion that time is dimensional. Mathematically, it does work in many ways. However, it doesn't work like the other dimensions. There is no paradox encountered by going in he opposite direction in any other dimension.
What if they are not contradictory? Like the particle vs wave thing. If time is both dimensional and quantum, could the other dimensions be quantum as well? And what would the quanta be called? Hawking particles?
I read that it was the W particle, but that was in a "science" article in the newspaper. You are probably right.
Still, the W particle must have been named by the same committee that named 'flies' and 'oranges'.
--Larry
Larry F wrote:
There's no paradox if you take probability stream's into account in 5 dimensions. Then there's no paradox since you simply move off of your timeline onto another paralell reality stream if you ever were to do anything to meddle with causality. Like if you go back in time and kill your grandma as a child then you still exist but along a reality stream where you will never be born (again later).Otherwise it would be a fairly identical reality.
I'm sure the last part would be true nomatter what. But im not sure about Dimensional/Quantum duality. I'd have to have more information about it to make a decision.
I may be out of the loop. My last science refrence was "Black Holes and Baby Universes" And a litle bit of "string theory" before I tired of it's unrelenting pretention.
The Foundation for Acurate names of objects?
Sure it does, think about it. Most people get off work around 5:00 pm, no matter where they live in the US. If the sun sets and hour earlier, that means there is an hour more of leisure time with the sun down. Plus there is an hour more in the morning of sunshine, when it is still sort of cool, for jogging or other outdoor exercise, before having to go to work.
Good point on the shift workers. Because of the traffic congestion where I live, the city encourages staggered shifts to reduce the congestion. I work the 8 to 4 shift to avoid the traffic that is caused by the 9 to 5 shift workers. As a side benefit I get an additional hour of light in the afternoon to run errands and have fun outside after work.
Bob
Hundsfurtz wrote:
When I lived in Chicago, that wouldn't have helped. The morning rush "hour" lasted from 6 until 10, and the afternoon rush "hour" lasted from 3 until 8.
Paul
On 12 May 2001 09:58:03 -0500, [email] (Paul Tomko) wrote:
Los Angeles organized a wide ranging staggered hour scheme to reduce traffic tie ups during the 1984 olympics. It did reduce travel time significantly. In fact, it worked so well that most companies dropped it as soon as the olympics were over. But that is LA for you, everyone's a phoney, nobody reads and they put cicatrix on everything. . .
--Larry
Larry F wrote:
I thought you leeched the Saturday Feed off your Dish? (That was you wasn't it?)
On Tue, 03 Apr 2001 04:03:36 GMT, Mike Zaite wrote:
Yes and unfortunately, *was* is the key word here. Fox apparently leased satellite space elsewhere a few weeks ago. Now I have to wait until someone finds the new location. Since this is not an official channel, the networks don't publish schedules.
--Larry