who keeps putting this up?? And why??
Episode 1 - Space Pilot 3000 RAR-------7/21 10 MB - episode01.r05 (12/28)
S01E01 Space Pilot 3000retroSep 29, 19996 months later105 posts by 26 posters
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On 29 Sep 1999 13:34:33 GMT, [email] (PDogL3000) wrote:
Clark Kent
mfG Ripper
Well then, Mr. Kent, may we respectfully request that you do not post any more binaries to this newsgroup?
Or as they say in Austria: Hau ab!
Respectfully nothing. Get the f out of here, Adolf, and take your stinkin' sauerkraut with you...
OOps, nazi refrence the thread is dead.
In article , [email] wrote:
hey pisser, NOT GERMANY, i come from AUSTRIA
ich hasse sauerkraut i hate "sauerkraut"
mfG Ripper
On Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:14:14 -0700, Toothless Jack wrote:
interestingly enough, this doesn't stop you from being a dumbass...
Yeah, but everyone knows "Austria" is just another name for "South Germany"
HEEEEEEEEEYYYYYYYYYY
�!%(=)/&(&!�"=)&(/ beleidigen kannst wen andern �")(/amp;�()"!$/&%)$ we hate germany and the people there, they are so stupid
mfG Ripper
On Thu, 30 Sep 1999 01:57:08 -0700, Toothless Jack wrote:
so who is racist ?
The Real Ripper wrote:
�sterreich? Ist das nicht dieser Witz s�dlich von Bayern? (Isn't Austria this joke south of Bavaria?)
Your problem. Eat Kaiserschmarrn.
shut your muoth, asshole, you come from TU-BERLIN halt den mund arschloch, du kommst von der TU-Berlin (du hast e gelesen was er �ber die deutschen geschrieben hat. oder?)
mfG Ripper
On Thu, 30 Sep 1999 06:16:38 +0200, "Martin 'Anakin' Schmidt" wrote:
CDR wrote:
N�. Nur der von mir verwendete Newsserver steht da. Wenn es dich aber beruhigt: Ich bin aus Berlin. Und au�erdem bist du ja wohl hier das Arschloch - 200 MB in eine Non-Binary-Gruppe zu posten. Dich sollte man auf Lebenszeit aus dem Usenet verbannen.
Na und. Damit kann ich leben, da ja eigentlich du gemeint warst.
In alt.tv.futurama, on the "Re: Episode 1 - Space Pilot 3000 RAR-------7/21 10 MB - episode01.r05 (12/28)" thread, The Real Ripper wrote:
I'm not real up on my Hitler history, but wasn't he born in Austria before moving to Germany?
Benjamin Robinson wrote:
before
Yes.
See, that's where we are one up on you guys. You have to be born in the United States to become president.
Bronco Bob wrote:
Seems to be my lucky day. Now I know that under no circumstances I will become president of the USA. ;-)
BTW, what's so great about being American president? You control ONE country. The president(?) of Luxemburg does the same and in the UNO both countries have the same rights. The only difference is that a civil war in Luxemburg could be ended by the local fire dept. ;-)
Yeah, but the American president has his finger on the trigger of all those neat nuclear missiles, nuclear submarines, and nuclear bombers.
Boyah baby
And the hard-on that goes with knowing he rules the most powerful country on the planet.
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Martin 'Anakin' Schmidt wrote:
Shows how little you know you piece of euro-shit. The United States is represented in both the UN General Assembly and the Security Council PERMANENTLY. When the shit hits the fan you assholes go crying because you dipshits haven't been able to find your asses economically or militarily for over a hundred years. And you ask yourself what's the big deal?
If Luxembourg is so great, how come you don't hear hundreds of thousands of people trying to get there to live?
It's pretty big talk from a dick head who comes from a country smaller than metro-detroit, with a GDP smaller than my kid's allowance. Just because you can hold your breath underwater doesn't mean you can swim with the big fish.
Calling yourself a country really doesn't make it so.
Not to the people who matter.....
And it would be about as important as a weenie roast
It's typical of you euro-shits. The next time someone decides to invade your country or starts to kill thousands of people because they worship differently or speak a different language, how about you send your navy to protect their sorry asses. Oh, that's right, you're land locked. Well, I'm sure you could maybe scrounge up a couple of farm hands. Then when all of the real work is over and the real soldiers come back from the fighting, you can hear all of your neighbors crawl out of their holes and whine about luxembourg's imperialism.
If it weren't for the United States, government of the people, by the people, for the people wouldn't exist except for a few treatises about ancient greece and their fanciful thoughts that men had the right to determine their own destinies instead of having a government dictate it for them.
Neither would:
The telephone, radio, television, computers, the transistor, anti-biotics, aircraft, radar, sonar, freedom of speech, religion or the press, the right to redress of grievances against the government, and this isn't even a miniscule amount of the contributions that the United States has given the world.
When I am able, as a citizen of this planet to have a direct say in what the united nations does, then I might be convinced as to it's viability as a 'government' (snicker). Until then, I and my family shall hold our allegiance to our country, and by extension there of the president. I may not agree with his politics or his personal standards, but he is the leader of the greatest nation this world has ever known.
So, I end this with a quote from one of the greatest americans to currently be walking (and stalking) this planet, Ted Nugent:
"KISS MY ASS!!!!"
Just a little correction here:
Telephone was invented in Canada by Alexander Graham Bell, who was born in Scotland. Nothing to do with the USA....
I don't know about the rest, but I'm pretty sure the americans didn't invent Religion......
The lite-bri--er, television is also a Scottish invention, and was used in Europe long before it arrived at the New York World's Fair in 1939.
Nicolas Payette wrote in message news:[email]...
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grosse wrote in message ...
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Fine, replace them with the AC power generation system, the liquid fuel rocket and the Panama Canal.
Well, that's debatable. There actually is no single person *universally* accepted as THE inventor of television. This is no doubt because several scientists in several countries developed television at around the same time.
So is the inventor the Scotsman John Logie Baird? The Russian-born Vladimir Zworykin? Or perhaps it's Philo T. Farnsworth, a farmboy from the unliveable state of Utah. (Say, I wonder if a certain character in a certain show is named after P.T. Farnsworth?)
For some reason I said he was Scottish, which was just silly--I got him confused with the inventor of the mechanical TV. You can read more on good ol' Philo at http://www.songs.com/philo/ .
Personally, I think it would be sensible for the writers to name him after a holder of over 300 US Patents, at least more so than a baseball player.
Dale G. Abersold wrote in message news:[email]...
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Yes there is, Philo T. Farnsworth. A Supreme Court ruling a few years back determined Farnsworth was the inventor. Zworykin was just RCA's stooge that they used to claim the rights when RCA stole Farnsworth's idea. Big company, little guy, you know the routine.
You misunderstand. As I said, there is not singler person UNIVERSALLY accepted as such. There are still those who don't support Farnsworth as the inventor. (I personally support Farnsworth, being from Utah myself...)
Modern, practical television was invented by Philo T. Farnsworth, who live in Utah, USA.
Bronco Bob wrote:
Nope. The TV system, which all TVs today base on, was invented by Manfred von Ardenne and Paul Nipkow in Berlin in the 20s.
Ya gotta go back to Vladimir Zworykin, 1923.
But Bob is right. The key words are "modern" and "practical".
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dumb children with no parental supervision, and access to a hammer.Telephone - Canadian and Scottish - Alexander Graham Bell Radio - Canadian Television English - John Logie Baird Computers - English - Charles babbage The printing Press - German - Johannes Gutenberg Aircraft - America and New Zealand, Debate continues between the Wright brothers and Richard Pierce
A few more. I am also pretty sure that Antibiotics and Radar were invented by Europeans but have trouble searching for the details cause the web is so americentric.
Mandos D Shadowspawn Esq /s
One thing I keep kicking myself about is that I thought that Philo T. Farnsworth was Scottish, when in fact it was John Logie Baird. So much for piecing together history from sugar packets.
Mandos D Shadowspawn Esq wrote in message ...
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Who started teaching at Boston University (as in Boston, Massachussets, USA) in 1873 and began his experimental work during 1874-1875 and was able to create his telphone in 1876
Marconi is the accepted inventor of the radio, however is primary patents were later voided after it was found that many of them were derived from the work of Nikolai Tesla who was working in the United States at the time.
This one is debateable, see one of my previous posts.
The derivation engine was a mechanical calculator. So by extension was the abacus. Even still, it wouldn't be a computer by accepted standards. It was not programmable beyond accepting data (it could only calculate derivations not integrals) It had no memory (each calculation wiped out the last).
Of course, the western continents hadn't been discovered yet.
Richard who?
I'll give you antibiotics and raise with the transistor. Radar was also anticipated by Nikolai Tesla (see radio) and was derived from his work in high frequncy electrical fields.
but have trouble searching for the details cause
(you are whining)
Who invented the web?
His experimental work was actually done in Brantford, Canada where he invented the first telephone, march 10 1876...
1867, Luckenwalde (Germany): The "Pappteller" (paper plate) was created by Hermann Hentzschel.
/ Andreas Höhne
Tim Berners-Lee - Switzerland.
But the Web is meaningless without the Internet, which was invented in the US of A.
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dumb children with no parental supervision, and access to a hammer.Nikola Tesla, while in America
Philo T. Farnsworth
Pat Livingston wrote:
Tesla. Not Marconi. Tesla. Common mistake. Bit of a crackpot, but most of his bad rep due to T.A. Edison, an ACTUAL bad-tempered crackpot who thought having an AC relay station every quarter-mile would be a really keen idea.
I'd like to end with two quotes from the current head of the NRA, Charleton Heston:
"Get your hands off me, you damn dirty ape!"
and
"Soylent Green is people!"
Makes Nugent sound positively eloquent.
Isn't that like quoting Anthony Hopkins as saying "I ate his liver with some Fava beans and a nice Chianti"?
grosse wrote:
Oh, Heston's such a pontificating blowhard he deserves whatever he gets. . . .
DC. Edison was strongly opposed to AC, and staged animal electrocutions to prove that AC was dangerous. (Ignoring the point that DC can also be dangerous.)
Eric Smith wrote:
You're right, DC it was. My bad. (I used to know a girl in college who mixed up her AC's and DC's as well. Boy, was she fun at parties. . . . )
Pat Livingston wrote:
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The television was invented in Berlin, GERMANY!!! And the first TV programme was broadcasted also in Berlin. And the computer was invented in the 30s by Konrad Zuse (the computer was "Zuse 1"), a German.
Wrong. A german invented the mechanical scanner in 1884. It wasn't until the 1920's when a Brit (Alan A. Campbell-Swinton) invented the CRT, and the first practical TV signal generator was devised by Vladimir K. Zworykin and Philo T. Farnsworth, a Russian and an American. In San Francisco on Sept 7, 1927, Farnsworth produced the first successful transmission of a television image by wholly electronic means, making him the "inventor of television". In case you're interested, he was given US patent #1,773,980. (BTW, guess where the name of the Professor Farnsworth character in Futurama came from.)
Because the 1936 Olympics happened to be held in Berlin? And it wasn't the first broadcast, only the first with enough power to reach a large number of people.
Actually Zuse invented a mechanical calculator, a crude pre-cursor to the computer. So is he taught in German schools as the "inventor of the computer"? What about Aiken and Hopper, who invented the Harvard Mark 1? Or Eckert and Mauchly, who invented the ENIAC 1 *and* the UNIVAC? Or Bardeen, Brattain and Shockley, who invented the transistor which paved the way for *real* computers? How about Kilby and Noyce, who invented the integrated circuit (ie. the 'chip')?
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dumb children with no parental supervision, and access to a hammer.Dave wrote:
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Well, Manfred von Ardenne did it already 1926. So TV was indeed invented in Berlin.
Professor
But what does that prove? I don't deny that Farnsworth was a great inventor, but he did not invent TV.
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Actually when I was in school no inventor was mentioned, neither German nor American.
That was later.
Whoa there Pat, take a break and count to ten.
Bronco Bob wrote in message ...
Sorry, man when someone sits there and expects me to equate the political/economic/social status of a country you couldn't find on the globe using the Hubble telescope with the country that not only created the era of democracy but has protected it with the lives of her men and women deserves the "shower time in the men's maxi prison" treatment.
These are the same people who whine about the tragedies in Kosovo, Lebanon and Ruwanda, they cry for leadership but then are unwilling to accept the leadership that has shown through history that it is not based on the principle of Noblese Oblige but by the simple principle that "that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."
So, why shouldn't these jerks piss me off?
It isn't their fathers, brothers, sisters and children expected to go and put themselves in harms way for liberty & freedom. They aren't the ones being treated as pariahs for answering the call when the world called them. But the men and women of the United States armed forces.
You really need to spend some time overseas to gain a better perspective on the real world outside of the US.
On the other hand you could just keep this crap pout of this newsgroup and into soc.I.love.the.USA where it belongs.
Mandos D Shadowspawn Esq /s
Pat Livingston wrote:
people, he supports a system
neighbors who were victims of
The Nazis killed over 50 million people, not 6. BTW, how many people did your country kill? Probably more than Nazis and communists together.
Where did your family (decades) centuries ago come from? So you're euro-shit, too.
Pat Livingston wrote:
***Quote begin*** Where did your family (decades) centuries ago come from? So you're euro-shit, too. Not actually, they left there looking for a better life. And they found one. While we remember our heritage, we don't worship it. We are Americans whose great- grandfathers and great-great-grandfathers came from Scotland. We don't sit around pretending our country is important, simply because it is allowed to exist. We know our country is important because of what our country has given to the people of the world. Which is the idea that mankind is not to be coddled by their government as if they were children who didn't know enough to wipe their asses, but through a free and democratic process men have the ability and the right to determine their destinies. The men and womenof the US have fought and died on hundreds of battlefieldfields for this simple idea, in this country and on nameless islands, beaches and hamlets of many others. Upon entering the US military, every soldier, sailor and airman does not only swear allegiance to the United States, does not only accept the president as their commander-in-chief, but they also swear to "protect and defend the Constitution". The Constitution of the US is an embodiment of an IDEA that all men are created equal, that all men have the right to speak their mind, that all men are equal in the eyes of the law and guarantees these rights in it's basic government charter.
NAME ONE OTHER COUNTRY THAT DOES THAT! ***Quote end***
I don't see anything I could be proud of if I where in your situation. I am happy to have spent the first years of my live in a country totally independent from the USA. I can compare both systems and today there is too much Americanism. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed my holidays in the states - nice people, great landscapes and speed limits on freeways (I hate the Autobahn without limits), but I absolutely hate the fact that you Americans think you are the rulers of the world. And every country that does not fit your view is suppressed by your army. You are ONE country. And as I already said in the UNO and NATO you have the same rights as every other country. You say one of the biggest American achievements is personal freedom. So give other countries the same right - their way of freedom. With entering the UNO (BTW, you still have to pay billions of Dollars to them) you agreed to their rules, but broke them by attacking Serbia. I am not defending Milosovic. He did absolutely terrible things, but you broke the rules you agreed to.
A few months ago the American government published a report about human rights violations all over the world. But somehow they forgot to mention their own country, the situation in the prisons, the suppressing of minorities even by the state (e.g. the police), and especially the death penalty.
And now, before you start attacking Germany, let me tell you one thing: You can't hit me. I hate Germany and I think I will leave it one day. And I really would like to see Germany going down. So you can attack Germany and I'll probably totally agree with you.
So that whole "basic human freedoms" thing means nothing?
The US is the world's biggest exporter of popular culture.
Levi's, Coca-Cola, Disco, McDonalds, Elvis, Seinfeld, Oreos, Futurama...
Americanizing the planet, one consumer at a time.
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dumb children with no parental supervision, and access to a hammer.Thats something of an interesting point. I wonder if that applies to the basic freedom to believe and support communism? I wonder if McCarthy was a true American with all the people he unlawfully detained and persecuted? America is as bad as everywhere else when it comes to persecution and intolerance. It however has a better media engine to cover up it's screwups.
And the world largest exported of death and distruction. Most countries only fight their neighbours. The US sticks it's unwanted nose in all over the wsorld.
Mandos D Shadowspawn Esq /s
And you of course argue and bitch and moan about it in a danged Futurama newsgroup. :-P
In article , [email] (Mandos D Shadowspawn Esq) wrote:
Well spotted :-) Hung by my own noose :-)
Mandos D Shadowpsawn Esq /s
Ah, no problem then! To accept such things is very courageous and noble! Or something :-)
In article , [email] (Mandos D Shadowspawn Esq) wrote:
This is very good and all but take the damn thing somwheres else please :-)
In article , [email] (John P. Hayes) wrote:
John P. Hayes wrote in message ...
I agree but I'm in two weeks of withdrawels and the season just started(who the hell cares about baseball, give me good ol' american college football any day) but this thread should peter out once new programming comes on line. Otherwise we have a decent discussion that seems to be limited untilt new episodes come back.
God I hope (and believe) this is temporary
Sorry,
- Pat
According to ESPN, old people who live in rural areas.
(Unoffically, off the record, of course, they still like the money they get from MLB)
So in other words you agree with Pat Buchanan that the US should have stayed out of World War II and let the Gremans and Russians and British and French fight it out among themselves? A little hard to do once Japan came over and imported death and destruction to our sailors and soldiers minding their own business in Pearl Harbor, which is and was part of the US at the time.
Bronco Bob wrote:
Harbor,
It was right that the USA entered WWII (BTW, why did they enter when it was clear that Germany would lose and the USA would win, since GB, France and the Soviet Union did a great job), but Vietnam, Serbia and many other crisis' are not their problem. And bombs didn't solve the Serbian (and Iraqian) problem since Milosevic and Hussein still have the power. Maybe you should try the diplomatic way next time.
Martin 'Anakin' Schmidt wrote in message news:7tlcb3$5h$[email]...
Agreed. History has seldomed been better served than it was by the defeat of German and Italian fascism and Japanese militarism.
Disagree. The outcame of the war at this point was hardly a forgone conclusion. Britain had been run off the continent. Twice. Once from France and once from Greece. Three times if you count Crete, but technically it isn't "the continent". And didn't look to have the wherewithal to land in Europe by themselves. As for France, we are talking the same France that got itself overrun and occupied in six weeks, right? Hardly a good job for them. The Soviet did do a great job. Eventually. It just took them several years and 20 million casualties to get there.
At the point where the U.S. entered the war the Germans were parked in the suburbs of Moscow, and had pushed the British out of Libya and back into Egypt (again). The Japanese for their part had commenced a six month campaign of tear-assing around the Pacific and chasing the British back to India, grabbing Hong Kong, Malaya and Singapore en route. The outcome of the war was still very much up in the air.
But oddly, no one else in the international community seem inclined to do anything unless we're involved. Aside from ring their hands and moan about how terrible the situation is.
Well, WWII is actually a bad comparison for these cases. Unlike WWII most wars AREN"T fought to so final a conclusion. Most countries, at some point, decide that the cost of the war has exceeded whatever price they're willing to pay and they try to find a way out. Germany had the bad luck to have Hitler in charge who decided he'd win, or fight to the last man and the last round of ammo.
That's assuming the Husseins and Milosevics of the world are actually interested in a fair and just diplomatic settlement.
Just my 2 cents.
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You might be right about the Kosovo, but Vietnam was a civil war. And how would the USA have felt if Europe (especially Britain) would have sent troops during your civil war in the last century?
Martin 'Anakin' Schmidt wrote in message ...
As I attempted to point out earlier, the Vietnam war was not a civil war. At the end of the French-Indochina war, the country was divided (similar to what happened in Korea). These two countries even had a demilitirized zone along their border.
And if you read the history of the american civil war, both the englishand the french were preparing to provide assitance in the war, but were afraid to. The english were ready to side with the south,but only if the political situation in the north became more unstable. The election of 1864 was a pivotal point and considered to be a referendum of the war effort in the north. If McClellan had won the presidency (I don't remember if he ran as a democrat or if he ran for the republican nomination) it is almost certain that England would have sided with the south which would have forced a political settlement that favored the south and would have destroyed the union. The french, knowing that their traditional enemies were siding with the south were readying to support the north. These events would certainly have precipitated the spread of the war to Europe.
With Lincoln's win, both european powers held back support and with the south's lack of manufacturing infrastructure their fate was sealed.
(All of that from a product of the american public education system, and without a college degree, yet)
It was a matter of those pesky Japanese lobbing a bunch of bomb on our ships and airplanes in Pearl Harbor and killing a bunch of American sailors and soldiers. A little hard to stay out of the war after that. And add to the fact that Germany declared war on the USA. Again hard to stay out of a war when another country declares war on you.
War is a form of diplomacy.
Martin 'Anakin' Schmidt wrote:
The USA entered the war against Germany on 11 December 1941, when Germany declared war against it. I disagree deeply that it was then clear that Germany would lose. At that moment, Germany had not yet achieved its fullest expansion, and the turning of the tide was still many months in the future. The only serious German reversal I can think of prior to the declaration of war against the USA is that its armies were repulsed at Moscow late in 1941. The collapse of Russian defenses in the south still lay ahead, however, with German troops eventually occupying far more of Russia than they did in December 1941. The UK had stopped a German invasion of Egypt, but the outcome in North Africa was undecided.
Of course, many analysts with the benefit of hindsight now look at conditions at the end of 1941 and say that they think an Allied victory was inevitable. However, their position depends on considerations of manpower and production, not on events, as the war was still going well for Germany. Moreover, at that time, few appreciated what extraordinary accomplishments the Russians were capable of, no one had any basis in fact to know whether the Americans could fight, and the UK was insufficient to prosecute an offensive war on its own. So events still hung in the balance when the USA came in.
In article , [email] (Bronco Bob) wrote:
First, the preface that I, like most people (I hope), am convinced that Pat Buchanan is pure evil incarnate. Or ignorance. Or hatred. Oh, wait! All three! BUT:
This is sooooo much easier to be righteous and jingoistic about WWII in -retrospect-. "Sure we did the right thing!" "Hitler was evil!" "Allies!" "Americanism!" blah blah blah.
HA!
Do not forget that, _at_the_time_ (an important perceptual frame to try to consider), the American people were divided (or uninterested) in the whole thing. We were as likely to side with Germany as we were to side with anyone else. [Ever see the pro-nazi Disney cartoons?]
"Protect the Jews!" HA! The vast majority of the American population couldn't care about the Nazi atrocities against the Jews any more than they cared about those against gays (remember them?) or gypsies (ever heard of them?). Remember, too, that we didn't find out about them until after the battle was well and truly joined, and they didn't really expand to the level of overwhelming genocide until nearer the end of the war.
Here's the catch: Germany wasn't going to come after us. They had no reason to. Until we started dropping bombs on them, half our country was supporting them; if they took over Europe, all of our country would have supported them. They didn't have the resources, nor the reason to come after us. Wasn't going to happen. Soon enough, Germany and Japan would have turned on each other... if Russia didn't wind up stuck in the middle and, *again* save the world from *decades* of war (instead of just *years*) by virtue of being even more remote, resource-less, and nationalistic. You'd think, eventually, that European wanna-be World Dominators would learn that it is easier to build a huge navy and cross oceans than go through eastern Europe to Moscow. Lucky for us they haven't picked that up yet.
Fortunately for human rights (but, again only from the comfort of a retrospective perspective) [that, and our supply of oil was threatened, if you _really_ want to know the contemporary reason why we get in *any* war -- "it's about the economy, stupid"], a _very_ few powerful people had the insight and courage to go out on a limb and pick a side , and then...
HA!
(a) Pearl Harbor was an annexed naval station on an island no one outside the military had ever heard of. You think people cared about Hawaii?? Not until after the propaganda machine kicked in. Hell, we didn't even make it a state (in a big display of "thanks for letting us ruin your independence and tranquility") until after we...
(b) ... baited the Japanese into bombing the hell out of it. Step One: Assemble a -big- fleet for "exercises" half-way between you and your enemy, in relative isolation. Step Two: Wait for them to wise up enough to come take a shot at you. Step Three: Let them take their shot. We *knew* they were coming. We *knew* the strike was on it's way. But, the men with the most power had the insight and courage to know that, if we _let_ Japan come bomb the hell out of Hawaii, we could declare war on them... then the dominoes would fall and -snap!- suddenly we're in a war with Germany. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend," and all that.
Geez. It's too early in the morning for this, and I have work to do, but the point is:
Thanks whateverGodyoumaychoosetobelievein that Buchanan did something so _stupid_ as to discuss academic isolationist theory in the popular press -- *today's* American public is too simplistic, narrow-minded, and context-insensitive to see it as anything more than "He likes Hitler!"
And, thus, his career is turning from a nuisance to a mockery.....
Now, the trick is realizing this: It -is- possible that the world is a bit more complex than our national popular-awareness of "history." And, similarly, it is possible that acknowledging these complexities and the multivariate motivations of nations does not mean your are implying support for one cause or another. Point being: don't come out and call me a Hitler lover just because I believe reality (and retrospect) was/are more complex than some bullshit newspaper headline.
Now, what does this have to do with Futurama? Nothing, but the rest of the threads are so inane ["do you like... stuff?"] that I had to vent somewhere!
Jim
Jim Pearson wrote:
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Wow! Are you American? I've rarely heard such wise words from an American.
In article , "Martin 'Anakin' Schmidt" wrote:
thank ya' thank ya' very much... I'm here all week! [ok, occasionally, when work permits]
Depends on how you define "American."
Born here (-ish, Guam thanks to The Man in the "Fight Against The Spread of Communism"), raised here (LA), schooled here.
But, see, I spent 4 years in the People's Republic of Berkeley -- where you wind up either a narrow-minded, my-"liberal"-way-or-the-highway, deluding-yourself-as-"left" pseudo-"liberal" or you learn how to learn and think and analyze perspectives critically.
I chose the latter. Seems to suit one well. Unfortunately, the population seems to split about 85/15, but, well... at least that's still better than ignant-bigot.
Jim
Yeah, most of us Americans can barely string a sentence together.
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Dave wrote in message news:[email]...
Yes! Right! Smartass! :-P
In article , "grosse" wrote:
Dave wrote:
I know. ;-)
- clap * clap * clap *
Will the inane threads ever cease their meaningless, petty lives? The answer is "no." Now we've got to ask ourselves, why do these long, OT threads about important issues always start here?
In article , "grosse" wrote:
thank ya', thank ya' very much...
had to vent.
Will they end? No.
Why do the good threads also start here? Crowd B. Let me explain...
Unfortunately, the dynamic of these groups seems to polarize:
You get Crowd A: "Since it's a cartoon, my mom let's me watch it... and since she doesn't know how to use her own computer, let alone monitor my use, I post stuff when I get home from school."
And you get Crowd B: "Since it's _actually_ an intelligent sit com written by an intellectual liberal with a writing team who maintain an astounding pop culture literacy, the -true- target audience actually aligns well with those of us who, coincidentally, are technically savvy."
So far, alt.tv.simpsons has a better showing of Crowd B, and the signal-to-noise ration is _fairly_ good, but the volume is way too high, and I don't have the patience to filter out 10 years of accumulated Crowd A.
I'm kinda hoping the a.t.f will accumulate a solid number of decent contributors... but, lately.... pickin's have been mighty slim...
Jim
Here it goes.....
Sorry about that, I don't know how ti got changed... Pat Livingston wrote in message ...
Jim Pearson wrote:
First, the preface that I, like most people (I hope), am convinced
that
Pat Buchanan is pure evil incarnate. Or ignorance. Or hatred. Oh,
wait! All three! BUT:The amazing thing about Pat Buchanan is that he appeals to groups of people who don't think Catholics are Christians.
> that the US should
> have stayed out of World War II and let the Gremans and Russians
> and British and French fight it out among themselves?
This is sooooo much easier to be righteous and jingoistic about WWII
in
-retrospect-. "Sure we did the right thing!" "Hitler was evil!"
"Allies!"
"Americanism!" blah blah blah.HA!
Do not forget that, _at_the_time_ (an important perceptual frame to
try to
consider), the American people were divided (or uninterested) in the
whole
thing. We were as likely to side with Germany as we were to side
with
anyone else. [Ever see the pro-nazi Disney cartoons?] "Protect the Jews!" HA! The vast majority of the American
population
couldn't care about the Nazi atrocities against the Jews any more
than
they cared about those against gays (remember them?) or gypsies
(ever
heard of them?). Remember, too, that we didn't find out about them
until
after the battle was well and truly joined, and they didn't really
expand
to the level of overwhelming genocide until nearer the end of the
war. Here's the catch: Germany wasn't going to come after us. They had
no
reason to. Until we started dropping bombs on them, half our
country was
supporting them; if they took over Europe, all of our country would
have
supported them. They didn't have the resources, nor the reason to
come
after us. Wasn't going to happen. Soon enough, Germany and Japan
would
have turned on each other... if Russia didn't wind up stuck in the
middle
and, *again* save the world from *decades* of war (instead of just
*years*) by virtue of being even more remote, resource-less, and
nationalistic. You'd think, eventually, that European wanna-be
World
Dominators would learn that it is easier to build a huge navy and
cross
oceans than go through eastern Europe to Moscow. Lucky for us they
haven't picked that up yet.Ahhh, the naivete of left wing revisionism. Let's see, conquers Europe, invades North Africa, tries to invade Russia but he would have left America alone. Why, just because he's a nice guy? Do you think that if the nazis had stayed in power long enough that they wouldn't have built an a-bomb? and having nuclear wepons wouldn't have hesitated to use it on North America? Canada was at war long before the US was, do you truly think that Hitler would have stopped just because he had Europe? There is no reason to expect that Hitler would have been satisfied with having Europe and a lot of reason to expect him to try to take over the rest of the world. He was attempting to convince Mexico to declare war on the US for chrissakes.
Fortunately for human rights (but, again only from the comfort of a
retrospective perspective) [that, and our supply of oil was
threatened, if
you _really_ want to know the contemporary reason why we get in
*any* war
-- "it's about the economy, stupid"], a _very_ few powerful people
had the
insight and courage to go out on a limb and pick a side , and
then... > A little
> hard to do once Japan came over and imported death and destruction
> to our sailors and soldiers minding their own business in Pearl
Harbor,
> which is and was part of the US at the time.
HA! (a) Pearl Harbor was an annexed naval station on an island no one
outside
the military had ever heard of. You think people cared about
Hawaii??
Not until after the propaganda machine kicked in. Hell, we didn't
even
make it a state (in a big display of "thanks for letting us ruin
your
independence and tranquility") until after we...I don't think that people cared about Hawaii. I do think they cared a hell of a lot about their fathers, brothers and sons who happened to be stationed in Hawaii.
(b) ... baited the Japanese into bombing the hell out of it. Step
One:
Assemble a -big- fleet for "exercises" half-way between you and your
enemy, in relative isolation. Step Two: Wait for them to wise up
enough
to come take a shot at you. Step Three: Let them take their shot.
We
*knew* they were coming. We *knew* the strike was on it's way.
But, the
men with the most power had the insight and courage to know that, if
we
_let_ Japan come bomb the hell out of Hawaii, we could declare war
on
them... then the dominoes would fall and -snap!- suddenly we're in a
war
with Germany. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend," and all that. If I remember my history, weren't the carrier groups southeast of hawaii
and far enough away that their aircraft were unable to respond? Sounds like
a truly stupid strategy if you ask me. From what I have read, the US was
more worried about it's possesions in the south pacific than it was about
Hawaii.
And whose bright idea was it to bait the trap with the backbone of the
US naval doctrine? Up until Pearl Harbor, battleships were considered the
primary naval weapons and aircraft carriers were considered support ships.
But with most of the US pacific fleet's battleships sitting on the bottom of
the bay, their roles had been forced to reverse.The only things we knew were:
a. The Japanese had been rampaging through asia for nearly eight years.
b. They had a BIG problem with us wanting to be able to commercialize the natural resources in asia.
c. They were paranoid xenophobes
d. That their fleet had left Tokyo harbor on an unknown mission
Geez. It's too early in the morning for this, and I have work to
do, but
the point is:
Thanks whateverGodyoumaychoosetobelievein that Buchanan did
something so
_stupid_ as to discuss academic isolationist theory in the popular
press
-- *today's* American public is too simplistic, narrow-minded, and
context-insensitive to see it as anything more than "He likes
Hitler!"And, thus, his career is turning from a nuisance to a mockery.....
Now, the trick is realizing this: It -is- possible that the world
is a
bit more complex than our national popular-awareness of "history."
And,
similarly, it is possible that acknowledging these complexities and
the
multivariate motivations of nations does not mean your are implying
support for one cause or another. Point being: don't come out and
call
me a Hitler lover just because I believe reality (and retrospect)
was/are
more complex than some bullshit newspaper headline. Now, what does this have to do with Futurama? Nothing, but the rest
of
the threads are so inane ["do you like... stuff?"] that I had to
vent
somewhere!Jim
In article , Pat Livingston wrote:
I'd be very interested in replying to your message, but you've committed the faux pas of posting in HTML, in turn rendering your message illegible.
Please disable the bloatware "feature" in your disrespectful newsreader; I hope you choose to repost your thoughtful comments so that those of us with efficient tools and respect for / an understanding of _the_purpose_ and _correct_use_of_ the medium may read and respond.
Jim
Dave wrote:
Freedom in America. What a contradiction. Which was one of the last "Western country" that had slavery? The USA. In which country are you imprisoned for the rest of your life just for pissing three times on a public wall? The USA. Where is the basic right of (higher) education too expensive for many people? The USA. Where will you die because you can't afford the nearest hospital? The USA. I don't know about other European countries, but in Germany slavery was gone centuries ago, higher education is (almost) free and if you need it, they even call an emergency helicopter and you don't have to pay more than usual.
Futurama...
That's right. (BTW, almost nobody in Germany knows Oreos, so they are a bad example. Same about Seinfeld - the show has very low ratings here.)
Are you a Sith? ;-)
How's Futurama doing over in the land of the Deutsch?
grosse wrote:
Almost unknown by now (it's not on TV yet). The true Simpsons fans know it very good (we download the episodes every week - pleaso come back, TSAF) and the Simpsons Comics are mentioning it very often, but everyone not interested in the Simpsons doesn't know Futurama (or doesn't care about it).
Are you a geek ?
Chris
Forgive me, I was referring to freedom on October 7, 1999.
Excuse me? First, I'll have to see some evidence before I believe this.
And 2nd, who goes around pissing on public walls? And 3 times?
Everyone is entitled to their high school education. And anyone with a high school diploma can find honest work in the USA. You have a problem with that?
Now I think you're just sucking down whatever propaganda your country feeds you.
And you're saying they require a credit card number before American paramedics will give you medical care?
That's just plain dumb.
Um, I was kinda referring to the 200 or so *other* countries as well as Germany when I said "the world". I understand the Germans had a difficult time understanding the humor behind Seinfeld, so it was replaced with Hogan's Heroes. Go figure, at least you know how to laugh at yourselves.
But I only mentioned the pop culture thing because I really get a kick out of how citizens of other countries seem to want to be more like Americans. Hell, "Americanization" is nearly destroying Japan. The younger generations have no desire to carry on in their parents' footsteps. They're saying "Screw the corporation, I want my MTV." I love it. Every time I hear about another Burger King opening up in some South American or European country, I smile to myself.
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A what?
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a
this.
That was probably a bad example. I was talking about the law that you're improsened for breaking the law three times. Does it still exist?
a
problem
But do you earn enough money to have a good life? In Germany you get higher education for free so you have a better chance for a big career. BTW, the educational system is completely different in Germany. After school you "learn" a profession (lasts 2-4 years, depending on the profession and the school you visited before).
I read a book written by a man who "studied" the USA and he wrote that the ambulance will take you to a hospital you can afford. If that's wrong I'm sorry.
No.
are a
here.)
as
laugh
I like Seinfeld and understand the humor, so it's not my problem. And after the replacement by Hogan's Heroes Seinfeld was shown on a bigger channel (the OFF channel) during prime time, but the ratings were low. Now it's shown on Mondays at midnight and on digital pay TV (and according to the station it's doing well now).
some
I have no problem with American culture and I like Coca Cola, but we should keep our own traditions (which are actually older than American traditions). I like watching Futurama and I hate Germany, but I also hate the Americanization of the German language. BTW, I don't care about Japan. A country with such pervert shows doesn't deserve better.
http://work.ucsd.edu:5141/cgi-bin/http_webster?isindex=sith&method=exact
It was a Star Wars reference.
Martin 'Anakin' Schmidt wrote in message ...
What you are talking about are three strikes laws. They count three VIOLENT felonies, not minor misdemeanors.
More then 350 million dollars in private scholarships go wanting in this country.
In correct, even McDonalds offers health care. People who aren't covered choose to forego coverage for other things they find important.
An ambulance is required to take you to the nearest trauma center capable of treating you. And in most areas, trauma care is required to be given. Hospitals that are found to be 'dumping' their patients can have their licensing reviewed and revoked, then there is the horror of horrors, the personal liability attorney.
Excuse me?
Are we forgetting that little episode 60 years ago?
And what is the difference between slavery & serfdom?
higher
It is not destroying it, it is changing. Americanization is not 'homogenizing' it's an acceptance that the world itself is changing. Would it be better to have an isolationist Japan (one of the causes of thier ?sp? involvement in WWII) and a return to the shogunates? Or is it the responsibility of each generation to build on their forebear's accomplishments for the generation yet to come?
Did you know that the United States is the largest country in the world were the majority of the population speaks the same language?
Most of the largest countries in the world can't communicate across many of their?sp? governmental sub-units because of dialect differences (China & India areprime examples).
I'm pretty sure there are "3 strikes and you're out" laws, but for real crimes, not for minor vandalism or public urination. I've got a few lawyer friends I could ask for more information about this sort of law.
In the US, the Government grants low interest loans to anybody who wants to continue their education past high school but couldn't get scholarships and cannot afford to pay. In fact, right now there are over $5 billion in delinquent student loans to American citizens, but despite the seemingly incredibly high risk, the Gov't continues to loan money for school. Personally, I've had to borrow over $30k for my education, I've been paying it back for 9 years already, and still owe about $12k. Considering my marketability as a result of earning a degree, I'd say it was money well spent. And for those who feel that college is "not for them" regardless of financial issues, there are plenty of trade schools. They offer 2-year programs (usually) that teach things like auto repair, welding, cooking, etc. These schools are usually less expensive than college. And then there are 'Community colleges' in just about every major city. They provide a 2-year degree (Associates degree) for a small fraction of the cost of a University education, but the perceived quality of this education is lower. And loans are available for CC and trade school programs as well, so there are plenty of post-high school education options for *anyone* who's interested in furthering their education.
Ambulance drivers don't check for insurance. They just drive the patient to the nearest facility as quickly as possible. I've heard that some hospitals refuse to treat destitute patients, but I've never seen it happen, maybe it's just a 'big city' thing. I know for a fact that the hospital nearest me will treat anyone who needs it, regardless of their financial situation.
I'm often surprised at how well Seinfeld is received in other countries. Who would think a show about 4 self absorbed New Yorkers would have such a universal appeal?
Since the US has only been a country for about 225 years, many countries' traditions are older. That shouldn't be an issue.
I thought you lived in Germany. If you hate it, what's keeping you there?
Or even the Germanization of American English. Our children all go to kindergarten.
Sorry. A bit of American pop culture that I wasn't familiar with. :)
If you don't mind, what was a 'Sith' (in the context of Star Wars) and what did your question imply?
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after you paid back the rest you paid back money about 15 years. I don't like to owe money to someone, but we have something similar here, too.
The fact that there is no better country. Sad, but true.
And don't you have a "rucksack"?
I am sure the Poles, the Russians, the Jews, would take issue with that statement when your Little Corporal was running things back a few year ago. Or don't they teach you about Adolf's doings in German schools?
OK, you're right about that. But Nazi Germany (I don't want to defend it, don't get me wrong) didn't call themself the home of freedom and democracy as the USA do. And aren't slaves owned by someone? The people in the concentration camps weren't owned by a person or a group. They were imprisoned for braking an existing law (to be Jewish, homosexual, communist, etc.). I repeat: I don't want to defend Nazi Germany. It was the worst thing that happened to Europe in the last centuries, but there was no slavery.
I think we learn more about it in schools than Americans.
In article , "Martin 'Anakin' Schmidt" wrote:
I don't know that it's just _more_ (from what I understand, the German school system is pretty damned rigorous!), I think the important aspect is that it is from a different perspective -- that is, not one of self-defending retrospective jingoism.
American public schools (of which I am a product, mind you) have a hard enough time getting anything across to their students [thanks, in most part. to "parents," to use the term loosely], let alone complex issues.
So, teachers (of which I know many, mind you) have a hard enough time drilling things into their "students" heads without going into -real- perspectives.... so, we're left with: "The Civil War was Fought Over Slavery." "WWII Was Fought To Stop Hitler," etc etc.
Anyway...
Jim
Jim Pearson wrote in message ...
I disagree, I believe it was a general failure of all parties involved. I feel it is an out growth of the 'Big Mother' ideal that began in the sixties and found fruition in the seventies. By the late 80's & early 90's many of the people whose careers developed in the earlier periods had obtained 'tenure' and were effectively untouchable due to the involvement of the public school unions. This percieved untouchablility in not only public school education but in college education as well, allows various factions to evolve which have their own philosophical points of view with little or no accountability. You can reference this with the debate of so-called 'black english' and the abilitiy of a woman (notice no 'y' between the m & the n) to remove males from her class on feminist studies (at a catholic university no less) and then sue the university on free speech grounds.(see the facts in the case law pertaining)
by the way, my children attend a public school, but not in the traditional sense. In Michigan (the state where I live) there is an alternative to the trditional public school. they are called 'charter schools' these schools create a charter with an accredited public institution (such as a university or another public school district) which they set out a specific educational philosophy, such as Montessori or an Edison model. The Edison is a model based on providing school management from an outside source with the parents of the students providing direct input of the goals of the school through the establishment of a supervisory board. This board differs from the standard public school board in two respects. First, it is selected under the criteria set forth in the charter as opposed to being elected from the public at large. Second, it recognizes that the student achievment is a 'product' if you will and the parents are the 'customers' of this industry. Charter schools also recognize that parental involvement and input are required to the success of the school as opposed to a traditional public school where government knows best (the 'Big Mother' model).
Pat Livingston schrieb in im Newsbeitrag: [email]...
thing:
How about you go ask your >mother for your balls, so you can finally stand up for your ideals.
Wasn't it you who was proud of his family for leaving their home country and coming to America in a big crisis? Why didn't they stand up for their ideals?
There is only one conclusion: your family was a family of whiners.
Incorrect again, it's known in this country as "Shit or get of the pot". You are the one who sits there and says you don't like it in Germany. But then you go and say I think I'll leave it one day.... That sir is whining! My family didn't like what was going on so they changed their circumstances, you on the other hand have the same choice of living where you hate the circumstances or moving on, but you choose to to whine about it.
Pat Livingston wrote:
choice
choose
No. I already said that I plan to leave this f***ing country. So I am not sitting around and whining.
Pat Livingston wrote:
Clap clap clap clap.
I can't recall if I've ever heard it said better than this.
Thank you, Pat.
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that.
First of all only a minor percentage of East german were Stasi victims. Before you believe your propaganda you should find out the truth. And there more support for socialism/communism in East Germany than you might think.
And on Sunday I'm going to elect the Socialists at elections in Berlin.
Pat Livingston wrote:
Berlin.
Why? They don't have the power.
He was born in the Austrian city of Braunau am Inn, and spent many of his formative years in Vienna and Linz.
Dale G. Abersold [email]
...which gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "In Linz beginnt's."
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Seriously though...the newsfeed only holds so many days' worth of posts, and your hundreds of megabytes worth knock legit text posts off the server. My news server carries alt.binaries.tv.futurama--how about posting the mpg's there?
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Great, especially since my news server doesn't carry that newsgroup. That's a more convenient filter. For now, I have to set a filter to ignore all posts over 2000 lines long (still want to catch the FAQ posts, which may be lengthy).
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and your
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Hehe, I did it one minute before I read your posting. I included his two identities, some message-IDs and one header. I'll let you know when I receive an answer.
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On Wed, 29 Sep 1999 22:00:18 +0200, "Martin 'Anakin' Schmidt" wrote:
CDR wrote:
Willst du mich damit provozieren? Wird dir nicht gelingen, da ich Deutschland wahrscheinlich noch mehr hasse als du. In ein paar Jahren bin ich weg (wobei �si-land das letzte ist, wo ich hinziehen w�rde).
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Oh my God! I'm from Berlin! I should be punished immediately.
Und was willst du jetzt beweisen? (What are you trying to prove with this?)
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