The orgination of Jealousy:

I thought that maybe we could analyze each character towards there Jealousy. I would love to do them all right now but I dont have time. I'll do Chandler tonight since this episode that I saw repeated inspired this thread.

Many of the characters have Jealousy issues, but there is reasons behind them. For example take Chandler. He has been in love with 3 women, that we have seen. The first one and the most serious relationship is Janice. How did he and Janice break up? Janice kissed her X-boyfriend. Then we go to the next girl he was in love with Kathy. How did they break up? She cheated on him with Nick.

Ok that's one I'll do the rest tommorro.

In article , Activia wrote:

No, not ex-boyfriend, Gary was her husband & the father of her child.

Chandler didn't break up with Janice out of jealousy, but made the noble sacrifice of sending her back to her family...

"I think you should go back with Gary. I don't wanna be the guy that breaks up a family. Y'know, when my parents split up, it was because of that guy. Whenever I would see him I was always think y'know 'You're the reason, you are the reason why they're not together' and I hated that guy."

Chandler's courage then failed him, and he begged Janice to stay, but by then he had convinced her of the right thing to do.

Ah yes, but Kathy thought that she was on a break...

Tennant

It's more complicated than that. Since Activia's subject is "jealousy", you cannot properly discuss Kathy in that context without discussing why she slept with Nick. Chandler's jealousy started the spiral. He was so uncomfortable with Kathy's love scenes in the play that he jumped to the conclusion that she was sleeping with Nick. That was not true when he first made the assumption. She got so angry at him that she told him to call her when he grew up - and he retorted that it would be a long time before that happened. Then, of course, in a childish rage she went off and became guilty of doing what he had falsely accused her of. Chandler even realized that he had been part of the problem until Rachel convinced him that it was entirely Kathy's fault. (That figures.)

It was not entirely Kathy's fault. She committed the worst sin, and he had reason to call it a day, but Chandler contributed to that breakup.

claire abraham wrote:

Ya, no doubt. Instead of flying off the handle like Chandler did, why not just sit down with her and talk to her about how the sex scenes made him uncomfortable, uneasy, nervous, etc etc etc.

Grin. Because Paget's contract was up and they had to write her out. :- )

Just one of the many abrupt "sympathetic SO suddenly develops serious and unforgiveable flaw" endings to storylines.

Yes, but dont forget this is justified in that Kathy had cheated before.

~Act

In article , Activia wrote:

On Joey! Kathy is now level with Ginger & Janice in scoring 2 out of 3...

Tennnant

In article , claire abraham wrote:

Yes indeed Claire, that's what I was suggesting in my brief remark. :)

Tennant

Exactly, which orginally orginated from Janice.

He was so

This is called a fight, Do you go off and sleep with someone when you have had a fight with your boyfriend?

Then, of course, in a childish rage she went off

He should have called her.

~Act

She got so angry at him that she told him to

No, of course not. Nowhere in my post did I say that what Kathy did was right. I said that Chandler contributed to the breakup.

Hardly, just an incy bitty itty bit. sorry its too late to go on to Ross tonight.

~Act

In article , Activia wrote:

Yes, but the Winds of Fate were blowing (or the wheels of the plot were turning) for in 11 episodes time his dreams were about to come true...

Tennant

its interesting how in the next episode he says that he has reached phase 4. He could sleep with one of his friends. I know I snipped his lines..but hey its midnight..and I dont feel like going to the CFSI, plus thats the only important part of the line for my sakes right now.

~Act

In article , Activia wrote:

Yes, although to be accurate, Phase 4 is where he doesn't want to have a relationship ever, but just have sex with strippers & his friends.

Tennant

Thanks couldnt remember the exact line, and was on my way to bed.

~Act

We dont know this.. She never said this.

Tennant you seem to have missed my point. I was not saying that he was jealous but nearly where Jealously could come from. If 2 women cheated on him he can easily get Jealous in the future.

~Act

In article , Activia wrote:

Indeed not, it was a remark that Ross made.

Oh dear, Activia, I do seem to have missed your point. Hmmm, I think I see what you're driving at, but did Janice cheat on him or on Gary?

Tennant

Chandler. She was with Chandler at the time. "but You're with me" She had broken up with Gary by the time they got back together.

~Act

Actually, I'm with Tennant. I think Janice cheated on Gary. She and Chandler were committing adultery. Given Gary's behavior, her own infidelity is forgiveable, but Gary had the better claim to Janice's loyalty. I take the marriage oath very, very, very seriously, and tend to be harder on people who treat it lightly. That, among other things, is why I'm generally so hard on Emily; she did not behave as if she'd taken a marriage vow, and for the most part Ross did.

claire abraham wrote:

Well, wait a minute. Didn't you give me grief several months ago about Ross not giving up on Emily, even after Emily had convinced everyone else here that she was asking for too much from Ross (aka not to see Rachel anymore)??? You seemed to indicate that what Emily was asking for was totally, un-equivocally absurd. I was thinking it was a little beyond reasonable, but doable, and that he should have given it a shot, despite the fact that she said she couldn't trust him. She could have learned to. .

Or did I miss something?

In all reality, even if Ross did agree to that and he and Emily did get back together, the "Rachel ban" would likely not be a "permanent" thing. In other words, when Ross is walking down the street and he sees Emily, must he close his eyes?

I think that after Ross had moved in with Emily and they were well on their way to raising a family or whatever, that visits to Monica would have been allowed, knowing that Rachel was there. . .

Just my opinion.

Asking for him to give up his apartment and sell all his furniture was absurd. I actually agreed with his original intent to avoid Rachel, and think he'd have been happier if he had. If you'll find the quote where I gave you grief, maybe we can sort out what I meant. I am on record as saying I felt Ross owed it to Emily to try to honor his committment to her, and I agreed with his intention to avoid her. (Deja news will show you my debates with Lee on the subject.) On the other hand, I think Emily's behavior was absolutely as bad as it could possibly have been, and I blame her, not Ross, for the divorce. He really tried. She didn't. Not even one bit, and at the end she realized it and regretted her behavior.

I said a similar thing to Lee all those months before.

claire abraham wrote:

Naw. It's not worth the effort to research. I was just razzin' you. I see what you're saying. I totally agree that Emily turned into a un-predictable witch during that whole mess. I think Ross tried hard also. But I think that just because Emily said "No" to the "Don't you trust me?" question posed by Ross, shouldn't be the end of a marriage. So she doesn't trust him now. . . You can always win back trust with some effort. Also, for Emily, learning to forgive is a key component to making a marriage work, IMO.

Hellooooo!!! After getting drunk in Vegas, Randy Hinds doodled cat whiskers on his/her face and miaowed this little lot at a statue...

I believe Ross probably saw that as the final straw; he'd been trying to win back her trust and forgiveness for almost two months by that point, and not only had she not budged even one iota, she'd raised the stakes along the way to a point where it would have been almost impossible for him to meet her demands unless he cut his sister out of his life completely. (Actually, these days it's debatable whether Monica would have even noticed if that had actually happened, but that's another matter...) She was determined not to forgive him or trust him, and personally I think to an extent she may have realised that she didn't love him anyway and was just stringing him along. When that happens in a relationship, there's only so much you can do before it's time to call it quits - and when Emily said that she didn't trust Ross in spite of all his efforts to bring her back, they'd reached that point.

A small observation: It's interesting that most of the major damage to all characters was done *after* this point. I wonder if this was when the big writers change-up happened?

Tina wrote:

Hmm. Could have been. I think that had I been Ross, I would have assumed (ya I know, dangerous word there. . . ) that Emily didn't mean cut his sister out of his life completely. I would have assumed it meant cut Rachel out as much as possible without harming the family ties with his sister.

Although Emily did have a coronary when Ross mentioned that Rachel was in the room when she called, but I had assumed (there's that word again . . ) that it was because it was sooooo early in the life of the "deal" they had brokered. She hadn't even arrived in NY yet. .

But you're right, she hadn't shown any signs of a change of heart regarding Ross. . .

I agree. The characters all went through major metamorphoses after that point . . . Interesting. . .

Hellooooo!!! After getting drunk in Vegas, Randy Hinds doodled cat whiskers on his/her face and miaowed this little lot at a statue...

Yeah, but the way Emily put it left absolutely no room for leeway - she was saying "Don't see Rachel anymore, no matter the cost". She wasn't going to compromise for the sake of him seeing his sister in the state she was in. I think Ross realised that, but probably assumed she'd loosen up - then realised that she wouldn't.

I think she was probably just mad because she was beginning to realise she couldn't control him, more than anything. There was a lot of underlying "You're not doing what I've told you to do" in that scene, well I thought so anyway.

And by that stage, I don't think she was going to.

They werent still married, they were divorced.

~Act

<<They werent still married, they were divorced.>>

Actually, the divorce wasn't finalized at the time that Janice and Chandler started dating. Janice was in the *process of* divorcing her husband. So, technically, as much as I like Chandler, Janice *was* still legally married and cheating on her husband.

Wendy

They were indeed still married. Chandler committed adultery. He is forgiven, but it's the truth.

Hmm, Ok, I thought they had talked about Janice and him being divorced. But you arent usually wrong. They were officially broken up though.

~Act

Oh, I've let a doozy fly now and then. I do not have access to Tennant's database! :-)

They were officially broken up though.

Marriage has a higher standard of "officially" breaking up than regular affairs do. That's why Janice went back to Gary.

In article , claire abraham wrote:

Yes. And this wasn't Chandler's first time, he was 'the other man' with Aurora in 106 "TOW the Butt", even though she claimed her husband knew.

Tennant

In article , Activia wrote:

She was angry with her husband because he was sleeping with his secretary, but they were still married, and they had a child.

Janice was just looking for a bit on the side for herself, until the guy she met on the internet turned out to be her ex-boyfriend. After she slept with Chandler, she spoke about seeing a divorce lawyer, but she didn't go ahead. Note the gang all refer to Gary as Janice's ex-husband, except for Chandler who calls him Janice's husband.

Tennant

OHHh thats why I got confused, thanks Tennant.

~Act

Activia wrote in message news:[email]...

sure. jealousy is a major thing but I would say the most major relationship is with him and Monica.. he hasn't been with Janice as a couple since TOW the rugby.. if you call it that.. over two years ago.. and that was hardly a relationship. he went to Yemen !!

he sure was jealous in Vegas with Monica though.. about the Richard stuff......

Which is what I was hinting at :o). I wasnt saying that he was jealous with Janice, but that is where his jealous could have orginated from. Once you get cheated on you are scared in the next relationships, as we see with Kathy. Then once again he is cheated on, so of course now he's terrified...ok I'll do Ross when I finish reading the other threads.

~Act

You really need to do give your grammar some attention.It means people will give your opinions more credence.

will

And you ought to learn to quote from the message to which you are replying, otherwise your point is completely lost.

Who were you talking to?

Jac

In article , "Jacqui" wrote:

Indeed. Then there's the stoneholes in his greenhouse.

Tennant :):)

yea, I really dont think my grammer is that poor. Although I never know when to put commas in.

~Act

As a rule, in pairs. Whatever is either side of the pair should be able to make sense with the comma'd bit removed. e.g.

"I went to the shop and I bought some eggs, really big ones, and a loaf of bread." You can take ",really big ones," right out and leave yourself with "I went to the shop and I bought some eggs and a loaf of bread". No commas needed (because they lifted right out, remember?). Here endeth today's grammar lesson. ;)

Jac

Yea, thats ONE reason why you use commas. What about the other 30..

~Act

know

able

loaf

of

heh. I have plenty of time to explain.... by June we could get onto colons and semi-colons, if you like.

Jac

In article , "Jacqui" wrote:

What about the difference between "I went to the shop which sold eggs." and "I went to the shop, which sold eggs." ?

Tennant :):)

Tennant Stuart wrote

loaf

of

That's the lesson for May 11th, so don't jump ahead. :)

Jac

In article , "Jacqui" wrote:

Lol! I know the answer by the way, but I like you in schoolmarm mode.

Tennant :):)

When I read it on the internet its the same. But grammatically I guess you could guess taht the second one meant which shop sold eggs, and the other one says a show which sold eggs. Just a guess. It doesnt make a difference to me, you can tell by the context what they mean. One reason why I rarely catch other people's typos.

~Act

In article , Activia wrote:

"I went to the shop which sold eggs."

This means I *deliberately* chose that shop because it sold eggs.

"I went to the shop, which sold eggs."

But here the shop just *happened* to sell eggs, and I bought some.

Tennant

HUH? I guess I can KINDA see this but you usually wouldn't use which. You sould say, "I went to the shop because it sold eggs"

~Act

wrote:

eggs."

guess

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make a

No, you shouldn't, you should use "which". You're determining (pointing out the difference) between shops (the one that sells eggs and the ones that don't), not explaining your reason for the journey. If you replace "sold eggs" with "was open" that would then read "I went to the shop which was open" or "I went to the shop, which was open". In the first you've explained that, of all the shops in the row of shops, you've picked the one that was open. "I went to the shop because it was open" indicates that you just had to go there because it had opened, perhaps the first day it was open? (Or that you are really really bored.) That would be a reason for your journey, not a reason for your choice of shop.

The second points out that you were going to go to the shop, for whatever reason, and it happened to be open. Again, because would not be appropriate.

Jac

In article , "Jacqui" wrote:

Beautifully put Jacqui, and 10 days early too!

Tennant :):)

Nope, I wouldnt use which there either. I would say "I went to the shop that was open" I have never heard anyone use which in that context..

~Act

(pointing

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replace

open"

perhaps

That

anyone

"Which" would be grammatically correct, though.

Mind you, you probably *wouldn't* have heard anyone use it, in the circumstances. You *will* probably have heard people say "dove" (past tense of dive) and "gotten", both of which the UK appear to have completely dropped (although they're still grammatically ok). Language evolves and mutates. "Which" should still *not* be replaced by "that", but I think the meaning is still clear either way, and certainly in speech no one would pick you up on it. I'd still be surprised to see it in print in anything "respectable", though. :)

It's like learning a foreign language, you can get by but it takes a long time to get the idioms and nuances right. English English still retains a lot of nuances that American English has shucked.

Jac

Jacqui wrote:

Actually, "which" would not be grammatically correct in the United States�or, at least, it wouldn't be considered good style. According to the rules of American English usage, the pronoun "which" should be used only in nondefining or nonrestrictive clauses, (e.g., I went to the store, WHICH SOLD EGGS) while "that" is to be used in defining or restrictive clauses (e.g., I went to the store THAT SOLD EGGS.) (Strunk and White explainn this much more clearly in chapter IV of their ELEMENTS OF STYLE, if you happen to have access to a copy.)

Thankyou Sprong, see I KNEW I never heard it in that way before!

~Act

First I'll work on learning all the real words of the langauge..or the gramatically correct ways. It's not easy though.

~Act(quien aprenda espanol para cuatro anos ahora)

If a 100 monkeys each could get their own show (alt.tv.friends), perhaps one day (Tue, 02 May 2000 19:51:01 -0400) a chimp (Activia ) might say:

<g> I've been learning french for almost 6 years and i suck at it :) I wanted to learn Spanish but NOOOOOOOO our school doesn't teach it. *pfft*

sesameslang - ME LIKE HOCKEY!

In article , [email] (Sesame Slang) wrote:

I was hopeless at learning French at school also, but when I was working in Paris it surprised me how much stuff suddenly surfaced when I found myself caught in a situation where I *had* to make myself understood.

Tennant

Sesame Slang wrote...

<me choke> What do I hear, what do I hear? What are these NOOOOOOOO and *pfft* to be taken for???!

Adeline.

===== "Your timing couldn't be better, I'm puttin' out fires all over the place." ~Joey Tribbianni, "Friends"

"I'm right! I'm right! Am...I...right??" ~Chandler Bing, "Friends"

If a 100 monkeys each could get their own show (alt.tv.friends), perhaps one day (Wed, 3 May 2000 20:34:04 +0200) a chimp ("Adeline" ) might say:

The NOOOOOOOO and *pfft* was a reaction to my stupid school stunting my learning, because they don't teach Spanish, while the [rival, grr!] school on the other side of town teaches Spanish, French and German (they are a language college however. BUT they even have a better technology department than us and WE'RE a Technology college.. argh! ) I think I picked the wrong school, my one has too much of a bad reputation. The local papers hate us too, if for some reason both schools need to be in an article, they always put Imberhorne (the other school) first and Sackville (my school) second. Pees me off, grr!

sesameslang - still, our school's the only one that's allowed to put pupils into the Charlton Chase elite event (my team finished! sure we ended up with -12 points because we ran over time, but we finished all the same!)

Sesame Slang wrote...

Ok, so they aren't supposed to be insults to the French language. Now that's better. =)

Adeline.

===== "Your timing couldn't be better, I'm puttin' out fires all over the place." ~Joey Tribbianni, "Friends"

"I'm right! I'm right! Am...I...right??" ~Chandler Bing, "Friends"

If a 100 monkeys each could get their own show (alt.tv.friends), perhaps one day (Thu, 4 May 2000 17:53:53 +0200) a chimp ("Adeline" ) might say:

Oh no! I'm not insulting French! I like it, I just suck at it :)

sesameslang - ME LIKE HOCKEY!

Sesame Slang wrote...

that's

=) Well, maybe I can teach you. Sound good? =)

Adeline.

===== "Your timing couldn't be better, I'm puttin' out fires all over the place." ~Joey Tribbianni, "Friends"

"I'm right! I'm right! Am...I...right??" ~Chandler Bing, "Friends"

Than how did you know I was talking about me learning spanish?

~Act

If a 100 monkeys each could get their own show (alt.tv.friends), perhaps one day (Wed, 03 May 2000 17:52:26 -0400) a chimp (Activia ) might say:

I got myself a babelfish :)

sesameslang - ME LIKE HOCKEY!

What's a babelfish?

~Act

If a 100 monkeys each could get their own show (alt.tv.friends), perhaps one day (Fri, 05 May 2000 16:04:30 -0400) a chimp (Activia ) might say:

<g> Read/listen to the Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy :)

(hey, that's mentioned twice in different threads, nice)

sesameslang - ME LIKE HOCKEY!

yea, whenever I get the FREE time..which is when? once a year?

~Act

If a 100 monkeys each could get their own show (alt.tv.friends), perhaps one day (Fri, 05 May 2000 17:02:00 -0400) a chimp (Activia ) might say:

okay then, just have a look at www.babelfish.altavista.com :)

sesameslang - ME LIKE HOCKEY!

My curiousity is now gone..

~Act

In article , Activia wrote:

In the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, it's a tiny telepathic fish that you stick in your ear so it can translate everything for you, thus proving the non-existence of God.

Tennant

I get it now.

~Act

Activia wrote...

Oh it's not that hard. I just wanna say, before taking a shot at interpreting your Spanish sentence, that I have never in my entire life learnt Spanish. You don't have to believe it, but it is the truth =). Ok here goes, I think, I *think* you said: "I've been learning Spanish for 4 years already" or something like that. I have no idea what 'quien' and 'ahora' mean, but all the other words look somewhat like the French ones. Oh and by the way, it's 'espa�ol' =)

Adeline.

===== "Your timing couldn't be better, I'm puttin' out fires all over the place." ~Joey Tribbianni, "Friends"

"I'm right! I'm right! Am...I...right??" ~Chandler Bing, "Friends"

I know but I didn't feel like getting out my character map to get that n its a pain in the butt.

French and Spanish are close, but Spanish and English are not nearly as close, so someone who just knows english would probably only pick up the word spanish cause you hear people refer to it as espanol a lot. ayudar you wouldnt know unless you knew a foreign language and cuatro either. ahora means now and quien means who

so I said

~Act(who has been learning spanish for 4 years now)

my grammer was a little off, but oh well.

~Act

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