C&M v R&R - Why?

Jan 15, 2001, 4:35 PM ET18 posts by 6 postersalt.tv.friends
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Paul Clarkealt.tv.friends

Can I just ask why everybody keeps making such a big deal over this C&M v R&R debate of who is the best? Personally I prefer C&M as they were my favourite characters anyway, but saying that if R&R got together I wouldn't mind that either. Everybody has their favourites and as the writers have decided to marry C&M that's they way it is, although R&R will probably hook-up sometime in the future anyway.

If not then Ross should hook-up with Phoebe and Rachel with Joey! What do you think?

P.C

In article , "Paul Clarke" wrote:

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If Ross were to hook up with Phoebe and Rachel with Joey, then every Friends viewer on the planet would go medevil on the creators, producers, and writers on the show just for that.

Long live R&R!

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In article , Tika Waylan-Majere wrote:

Not me. Not every viewer. Maybe not even half of them.

Tennant

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ummm, I wouldn't, I even contemplated doing a couple of fanfics on R&J, cause that woulda been cool...

Toni Perry-The Wild Evil B*tch of the Middle Eastern Web http://uk.geocities.com/toni2_1/friends_section.html **Chandler: The important thing is the Dutch girl picked me! ME! not you! Holland loves Chandler! Thank you Amsterdam! Goodnight!!!**

In article , "Paul Clarke" wrote:

I think the show is more important than any particular couple, although I support all the R&R fans even since S4 I've been a C&M fan.

I think Ross & Phoebe would make a cute couple, and would provide the writers with more possible stories than reuniting R&R could. I used to think that Joey & Rachel would end up going their separate ways for the sake of their careers, but lately I've been noticing how good they are together. And as a big C&M fan I think the writers should break them up for half a season or so, and give us all a big fright...

Tennant

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It would frighten me! hehe! but it's kinda cool idea... keep us all glued to the screens in the hope that they will get back together :)

Toni Perry-The Wild Evil B*tch of the Middle Eastern Web http://uk.geocities.com/toni2_1/friends_section.html **Chandler: The important thing is the Dutch girl picked me! ME! not you! Holland loves Chandler! Thank you Amsterdam! Goodnight!!!**

In article , [email] (Toni Perry If only) wrote:

Absolutely, if well-written it would be brilliant, but we would only really enjoy it once they were finally reconciled.

Tennant

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Of course! Do you think the writers are listening to us right now? <~~~sends telepathic messages to the writers

Toni Perry-The Wild Evil B*tch of the Middle Eastern Web http://uk.geocities.com/toni2_1/friends_section.html **Chandler: The important thing is the Dutch girl picked me! ME! not you! Holland loves Chandler! Thank you Amsterdam! Goodnight!!!**
SHNOCODYSeran Perryalt.tv.friends

um....hello! Reality check!! Isn't that what we've been doing with ross and rachel for the past 3 seasons?!!? I mean, come on!!!!

Seran PerrySHNOCODYalt.tv.friends

In article , [email] (SHNOCODY) writes:

yes but we're talking about doing it rather soon after they break up, and anyway, I think it's a given that R&R aren't going to get back together anymore IMO

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abrahammySeran Perryalt.tv.friends

I am going to respond to several messages at once. I think the R&R vs. C&M animosity is based on a few factors:

1. Notes from the production staff indicated that they broke up R&R specifically to make room for C&M, and that the writing staff does not want more than one couple at a time. R&R had a very profound affect on many of us that C&M did not have, especially after they made the horrid mistake of making Monica a terrible shrew for almost a year. I understand that this has been rectified. There seems to be an underlying understanding that only one couple is going to be an ongoing concern, and C&M have basically won. They had, as of my last viewing, (which was months ago) begun to overpower the show with dull, limp, predictable plots. R&R as a couple never dominated the show as completely, or for as long, and C&M did. The other problem is that C&M also made the wonderful C&J storylines much more rare.

Since I've now come to the conclusion that Rachel is a vacuous little twit who can't love anybody properly anyway, Ross is well rid of her and Phoebe may indeed be the more interesting pairing for him. If Rachel hooks up with Joey, we'll get to see two pretty, very shallow and empty vessel hook up and that might be fitting. I really want to see Rachel die alone, though. :-) (I love to hate her. Aniston is extremely gifted.) Actually, my ideal ending would be for a desperate Rachel, her biological clock ticking, to make advances on Ross just as he rediscovers Julie, rejects Princess Bitch, and heads finally into the sunset with his one true love.

As for it being a given that R&R will never get together again... uh, no, that's by no means a given. The writers remind us of the possibility a couple of times every season. Even by the time I had to stop watching this year they had thrown in the reminder TWICE. (R&R's kiss in the first episode; a comment by Rachel that she might marry Ross in a later episode. And remember; they *are* each other's backups. That may or may not be remembered by the writers.) Any statement like that from partisans on either side is just that - a partisan jab based on wishful thinking. It is a given now that C&M will marry, but it is not a given that C&M will stay together, or that they will get divorced, or that Chandler won't discover that he's gay, or anything like that. The writers will do whatever whim comes to mind, whether it actually makes sense and is good for the show or not, and the ratings battle ahead will have them pulling outrageous stunts.

SHNOCODYabrahammyalt.tv.friends

wow, that was harsh, Claire. I still want them together (i think......).

a couple? a couple? almost every episode, practically!!!

In article , Claire Abraham wrote:

<SNIP A LOT OF STUFF I AGREE WITH>

You won't be surprised to hear me welcome this conclusion, Claire.

Hmmm... something like that. :)

I kinda have the feeling that Rachel is going to come very unstuck in her current story line.

Tennant

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In article , [email] (Toni Perry If only) wrote:

Sadly, the reality of the situation is that story suggestions published on ATF are virtually guaranteed to *not* happen. Check out para 9.2 of the "Mad About You" FAQ, which applies to all sitcoms.

Tennant

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yeah, I knew about that already, it kinda sucks really cause there are some really good ideas posted up here sometimes... okay, how about we keep sending telepathic powers to the writers to use the good story lines that we read on here, but also tell them not to read the ATF so they think it's their idea? think it'll work...? :)

Seran Perry-The Wild Evil B*tch of the Middle Eastern Web http://uk.geocities.com/toni2_1/friends_section.html **Chandler: The important thing is the Dutch girl picked me! ME! not you! Holland loves Chandler! Thank you Amsterdam! Goodnight!!!**

In article , [email] (Toni Perry If only) wrote:

Sposo, but a more practical solution is to suggest on ATF the stories that you do *not* want to happen... :)

Tennant

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toni wrote: Tennant wrote:

well yeah that too... :)

Seran Perry-The Wild Evil B*tch of the Middle Eastern Web http://uk.geocities.com/toni2_1/friends_section.html **Chandler: The important thing is the Dutch girl picked me! ME! not you! Holland loves Chandler! Thank you Amsterdam! Goodnight!!!**