How does it work?

Jan 1, 2006, 6:39 AM ET31 posts by 7 posters
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The Flavored Coffee Guy

Isaiah 45:7

I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.

Proverbs 22:6

Train a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not turn from it.

Matthew 5:48

Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

Here's what I think. The Devil/Satan, isn't real. Only God's, seem to

be behind any country at war. Extraterrestrials, are behind the major religions, and religion is a psychological warfare tactical response, intended to pit the human race against itself.

If there are only 1,000 aliens, or less, the only means they'd have of defeating humanity, would be to pit the human against human in full force and large numbers to war. Understanding common law, and popular practices, even at a primitive level, would explain everything and every war fought on Earth. Nano-technology, means that we'd never see them, or a UFO, if they had it.

Frankly, I don't see any hope for a race that literally worships evil as a majority. If you're judgement is so bad, that you don't even know

this, or you cannot even percieve it, we never needed a God, to predict

the end of the world, just an intellegent life form.

We have got to start shooting down the UFOs.

In article , [email] says...

You're completely and utterly nuts - and that is an understatement.

ie. you're completely lacking reason and logic.

What makes you think you are so right with your information, which is actually misinformation, as I haven't come across anything that backs up what you have written. I am willing to check things out.

Harvey

ChristopherYour Name Here=Harvey

On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 09:45:51 +0000 (UTC), [email] (Your Name Here=Harvey) wrote:

He lives in a trailer, and is probably married to his cat so that should explain what he is.

Christopher

Harvey,

One morning, when I was in the fifth grade, I rode my school bus to school, and I had a couple of questions. So, first I asked, "How many of your parents make you go to church? Can I see a show of hands?" Then I said this, "Out of all of you who held you hands up, can answer this one question? If you've never sinned, how can you be saved?" One kid spoke out and said, "Everyone sins." Then I said, "Can anyone answer the question without dissassembling it? The only question is, "How can you be saved, if you've never sinned?" One kid spoke out and said, "There's no way.... Unless, you sin." another said, "I guess you gotta."

You're the nut, who makes it so damn important to sin by teaching your kids to believe in that shit.

Tank FixerThe Flavored Coffee Guy

In article , on 4 Jan 2006 16:39:07 -0800, The Flavored Coffee Guy [email] attempted to say .....

early in December 2005....

When dealing with propaganda terminology one sometimes always speaks in variable absolutes. This is not to be mistaken for an unbiased slant.
The Flavored Coffee GuyTank Fixer

Mark 11:24

Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.

You know, lying like that never worked for the missionaries either.

No matter who asked for what in prayer, and No matter who believed what.

Accidentally, a whole Church full of Believers is told that all but one of the coal miners are dead. They all believe that the prayers that they've been praying have been answered, which, complies with the scripture if you want an answer, and no matter what the hell is written in the Bible, even what's in Black and White don't work.

Jesus Christ, is Bullshit.

In article , [email] says...

In light of the recent incident in the world news, it is best to put it into a detached and unemotional content as possible, so as to see with eyes unclouded about the situation.

Following the timeline of events, I guess it happened like this? Miners were trapped underground, families were informed about this, they started their non-stop prayers - after a time, news finally came that all were saved except one? However that news was not correct. That all were killed except one. That it took 3 hours before the news was corrected.

Not all prayers to 'God' work. You can work this out all by yourself, without the above incident. Because if all prayers were answered, Christianity would be the number one religion, with proof of prayers, same for other religions who also use prayer. Even a 10 year old can work this one for themself. That would be a bright 10 year old though.

Harvey

Tank FixerYour Name Here=Harvey

In article , on Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:51:51 +0000 (UTC), Your Name Here=Harvey [email] attempted to say .....

You don't get it. All prayers are answered, us humans just don't want to accept the answer is no sometimes...

When dealing with propaganda terminology one sometimes always speaks in variable absolutes. This is not to be mistaken for an unbiased slant.

Harvey, Tank Fixer,

Here's another Biblical Bullshit.

Psalm 32:6 Therefore let everyone who is godly pray to you while you may be found; surely when the mighty waters rise, they will not reach him.

The only people to avoid the Tsunami, don't pray to the Lord God, or even believe in Jesus Christ. Check at this link. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/18/60minutes/main681558.shtml

Good Luck, dipshits.

In article , [email] says...

Christianity

While the article is certainly interesting reading, your thinking is not as clear, nor do you have manners that endear you with anyone.

I won't even try enlightening you, with your attitude.

I don't believe in prayers to God, nor in Christianity, nor the accuracy of the bible, nor your comments being that accurate too...

There is enough shit in this world, without you adding your own.

Harvey

Tank FixerYour Name Here=Harvey

In article , on Fri, 6 Jan 2006 10:38:11 +0000 (UTC), Your Name Here=Harvey [email] attempted to say .....

He can't represent his own thoughts.

When dealing with propaganda terminology one sometimes always speaks in variable absolutes. This is not to be mistaken for an unbiased slant.

John 19:30 When he had received the drink, Jesus said, "It is finished." With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

Luke 23: 46 Jesus called out with a loud voice, "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit." When he had said this, he breathed his last.

Mark 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

Mark 15:37 With a loud cry, Jesus breathed his last.

Matthew 27:46 About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

Matthew 27:50 And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit.

Matthew 20:16 "So the last will be first, and the first will be last."

He couldn't win to make himself the center of right and wrong, and having refused to instruct the people on how they ought to raise their children, his antics, magic act, displays, and his will to one day be God, were thrown out of heaven. Why, as follows.

Proverbs 22:6 Train a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not turn from it.

Where wisdom is only advice, priorities are set by law, and there is nothing unwise in the law or obeying it.

In article , [email] says...

Yeah, well, your post was something along the lines of 1 + 1 = 4 kind of logic.

I never said I was for Christianity and the Bible being true, etc etc.

And I think the idea that ETs are behind the major religions - sound as bad - as too, the idea to shoot down UFOs willy nilly. How is there any logic in all that? What makes you think it's an 'Us' vs 'Them' 1950s' type movie war???

Can't you get it into your brain, that if they wanted this world off us - then they could use biological or germ warfare to do that? Or some kind of death ray that leaves structures (and even non-human life) intact?

If they got the intelligence to build and fly interstellar craft, then obviously they have got a whole lot better arsenal of all sorts of weapons than we have. Or better yet, are able to find and travel to non-human populated planets better than this one, can ever be. Only dumb humans would think the Earth is the pearl of all the planets in existence, and that travelling faster than the speed of light, is impossible, with no other alternatives possible. And we have most of the world population believing that there is no other intelligent life out there, that we are alone in the universe.

And if you read anything of UFOlogy - you'll know that downed UFOs are more common than what the public thinks. And there is a lot more information than that, if you care to do your own research? Like going over to www.earthfiles.com That site will do for starters.

Don't subsitute one crap world view (Christianity) for another (Us vs them crap). Not that there aren't hostile ETs out there. Just as there are warring and peaceful races, and so there are good and evil, as in peaceful and invading forces. As far as the earth is concerned, let's sort out the us vs us crap first, before we deal with outsiders and interlopers.

Given that the public doesn't know about all this - that governments lie to us. We still need to verify what is what? What is really truthful in this world? And what is utter crap. And show how is this so? And demonstrate how, as best as possible - which is not an easy task at all. I believe the Jews, Christians and Muslims are purposefully misled - with Bible crap (ie. their respective texts are not correct nor accurate, some of it is, though). The idea of God is non-sensible, and the God of these religions in particular display common characteristics that they should be considered one God, therefore one religion (in basic theory) that has split 3 fold, then into many, many parts. They all share common enough characteristics to be categorised as being 'together' loosely, although they disagree with one another.

Harvey

I don't expect that aliens really care about Earth, as a planet to live on. It human technology, and their presence in space over time that is bothering the aliens. The human race, is for the most part, militaristic, and a threat. But, only if they are allowed to continue on their present course.

In article , [email] says...

Yes, you need to explain that, or else we think you are quite mad.

I don't believe this at all. It does not compute, nor does it make any kind of real sense? The earth, and this universe are moving all the time, so how is it bothering the aliens?

Harvey

Very simple my dear watson. The population of the Earth Doubles every 20 years, and the human race becomes a space faring race, they'll fill every gap in it.

No, aliens aren't talking to me. I just imagine myself flying over a world full of aliens behaving like people here on Earth. The real difference is that I don't understand a word that they're saying, and can't read a word that they've written. Which really means, they use lots of weapons to kill eachother, and have a very sad disposition. Because, the slightest differences in color and clothing, seem to drive them to kill eachother. Not a very safe planet.

John 19:30 When he had received the drink, Jesus said, "It is finished." With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

Luke 23: 46 Jesus called out with a loud voice, "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit." When he had said this, he breathed his last.

Mark 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

Mark 15:37 With a loud cry, Jesus breathed his last.

Matthew 27:46 About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

Matthew 27:50 And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit.

Dear Harvey,

Matthew 20:16 "So the last will be first, and the first will be last."

He couldn't win to make himself the center of right and wrong, and having refused to instruct the people on how they ought to raise their children, his antics, magic act, displays, and his will to one day be God, were thrown out of heaven. Why, as follows.

Proverbs 22:6 Train a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not turn from it.

Where wisdom is only advice, priorities are set by law, and there is nothing unwise in the law or obeying it.

In light of the recent incident in the world news, it is best to put it into a detached and unemotional content as possible, so as to see with eyes unclouded about the situation.

Following the timeline of events, I guess it happened like this? Miners were trapped underground, families were informed about this, they started their non-stop prayers - after a time, news finally came that all were saved except one? However that news was not correct. That all were killed except one. That it took 3 hours before the news was corrected.

Not all prayers to 'God' work. You can work this out all by yourself, without the above incident. Because if all prayers were answered, Christianity would be the number one religion, with proof of prayers, same for other

religions who also use prayer. Even a 10 year old can work this one for themself. That would be a bright 10 year old though.

Harvey

In article , [email] says...

It helps to quote from a text, that is more accurate than most others...

219               Chapter 31
           Jmmanuel's Flight from the Tomb
  1.  When dawn broke on the first day of the week after Passover, the three
days and nights had passed following
      which Jmmanuel would live again after his near-death, as he had
foretold.
  2.  And behold, a great thundering arose in the air, and a radiant light
came from the sky and settled on the
      earth, not far from the tomb.
  3.  Then a guardian angel stepped forth from the light; his appearance was
like lightning and his garment
      was as white as snow.
  4.  And he went to the tomb, and the soldiers, full of fear, moved out of
his way.
  5.  He lifted his hand, and from it bright lightning sprang forth and struck
the soldiers, one after the other.
  6.  And they fell to the ground and did not stir for a long time.
  7.  Then the guardian angel stepped up to the tomb, rolled the stone away
from the door and said to Mary,
      the mother of Jmmanuel, and to Mary Magdalene, who were both there:
  8. "Don't be afraid, I know you seek Jmmanuel, the crucified.
  9. "He is not here, for he is alive just as he said he would be. Come here
and behold the place where he has lain.
 10. "Go quickly and tell his disciples that he has risen from near-death.
 11. "Also tell them: He will walk before you to Galilee, and there you will
see him. Behold, I have told you.
 12.  But Mary asked, "Yet he was dead and lay here dead. How can he then
rise?"
 13.  The guardian angel answered, "Why are you seeking a live person among
the dead?
 14. "Go now and spread the news among his disciples, but beware of telling
anyone else.
 15.  And the guardian angel went to the bright light and disappeared into it.
Soon a great thundering came
      forth from it again, and it rose up into the air, shooting straight into
the sky.
 16.  Jmmanuel's mother and Mary Magdalene then departed, leaving the tomb.
 17.  The soldiers, however, recovered from their paralysis and were greatly
astonished. So they went into the
      city to spread the news of what had happened.
 18.  And secretly they met with the chief priests and elders of the council
to decide what to tell the people.
 19.  The chief priests and elders gave sufficient money to the soldiers and
said, "Tell the people his disciples
      came at night while we were sleeping and stole his body."
 20.  And the soldiers took the money and did as they had been instructed.
 21.  Mary and Mary Magdalene, however, left and did as they had been mandated
by the guardian angel.
 22.  And behold, again a guardian angel met them on their way and said,
"Remember what you have been instructed
      to do. Be careful and do not inadvertently tell the people.�
 23.  Mary Magdalene approached the guardian angel, who wore a brilliant white
garment, and she wanted to
      grasp his hand.
 24.  But he stepped back from her and said, "Do not touch me, because I am of
a different kind from you
      and my garment is a protection against this world.
 25. "If you touch me you will die and be consumed by fire.
 26. "Step back from me and be on your way as you have been instructed."
 27.  So they departed, and they met Peter and another disciple, telling them
what had taken place.
 28.  Peter and the other disciple went to the tomb, with the other disciple
arriving there first.
 29.  And he looked into the tomb and saw the linen bandages lying neatly on
the ground, but he did not enter.
 30.  Then Peter arrived, went into the tomb and found everything just as the
other disciple had.
 31.  The bandages had been carefully folded and placed on the ground. The
sweat cloth, which had covered
      Jmmanuel's head, had been placed on a particular spot, together with the
salves and herbs and clay figurines
      of peculiar appearance, the likes of which he had never seen before.
Thus they were foreign to him.
         Jmmanuel's Meetings with his Disciples
 32.  In the evening of the same day, the disciples were gathered in the room
in the city where they had taken
      their last meal with Jmmanuel before Passover.
 33.  And they were in the room speaking to each other about what had happened
that day when, behold, the door
      opened and a stranger entered whom they had never seen before.
 34.  And they were afraid that he might be one of the Israelites who wanted
to betray them.
 35.  But then the stranger said, "Peace be with you:' and when he took the
cloth from his face,
      they recognized him as Jmmanuel.
 36.  After he had said that, he showed them his hands, his loin and his feet;
and when they saw his wounds,
      they were happy he was among them.
 37.  But Thomas believed a ghost to be in front of him. So he said, "lf I
could touch your wounds, I would know
      that you are not a ghost."
 38.  Then Jmmanuel said to him, "Reach out and place your hand on my wounds,
so that you of small mind may
      recognize the truth:'
 39.  So Thomas did as he had been told, and he touched his wounds and said,
"Truly, it is you."
 40.  Then Jmmanuel departed, saying, "Guard the secret of my return, so it
will not be known that I am alive.
 41.  And behold, the next day the disciples set out for Galilee to spread the
joyful news among
      Jmmanuel's supporters.
 42.  As other followers went along, behold, an itinerant joined them and for
part of the way walked with them.
 43.  They were sad and talked among themselves about how Jmmanuel had been
forced to die on the cross.
 44.  Then the itinerant, a stranger, said to them, "Why are you mourning?"
And they told him what grieved them.
 45.  But the itinerant said, "How little knowledge you yet have; Jmmanuel
told you he would rise from
      near-death after three days and nights.
 46. "So just as he has said, it has happened.�
 47.  After he had spoken he removed the cloth from his face and they
recognized him as Jmmanuel.
 48.  But he said nothing more, and again covering his face, he withdrew. And
he was not seen for a long time.
 49.  Long after Jmmanuel had disappeared, it came to pass that the disciples
were fishing on the Sea of Tiberias,
 50.  and they caught nothing the entire night, so by daybreak they were
exasperated.
 51.  And when they approached the shore, there stood a stranger who asked,
"Haven't you anything to eat? I'm hungry."
 52.  They answered, "No, we have not caught one fish in our nets."
 53.  Then the stranger said, "Throw the net out to the right side of the
boat, and you will have a large catch."
 54.  The disciples were astonished by what he said, but nevertheless cast the
net. And behold, they could not
      pull it in because of the multitude of fish.
 55.  And they came ashore and prepared a meal, for like the stranger they,
too, were hungry.
 56.  But when he uncovered his face, behold, it was Jmmanuel.
 57.  And while they were eating and in good spirits, he said to them, "Go to
Galilee to such-and-such
      mountain; there I will join you, because our time together has ended and
each of us may go his separate way.�
227               Chapter 32
               Jmmanuel's Farewell
  I.  They went to the mountain to which Jmmanuel had directed them.
  2.  When they were gathered there, he said to them, "Behold, I will speak to
you one last
      time; then I will leave and never return.
  3. "My path leads me to the land of India where many of this human lineage
also dwell,
      because they have left this land to live there.
  4. "My mission leads me to them and to the human population that is born
there.
  5. "My path there will be long, for I have yet to bring my teachings, new
and old, to many
      countries, and likewise to the shores of the great black waters to the
north of here.
  6. "But before I leave you, I will give you my final lessons of the
teachings:
  7. "If humans live according to the laws of Creation, they live correctly in
truth.
      But the ultimate goal should be this:
  8. "Everything human within human beings must die, but everything of
Creation within them
      must rise and embrace Creation.
  9. "Consider the universe as the place where Creation lives in infinity.
 10. "Everything humans possess has its origin in Creation; therefore it
belongs to Creation.
 11. "Human beings shall transform their entire spiritual lives and perfect
them, so that
      they will become one with Creation.
 12. "Whatever human beings do, they shall do with the awareness of Creation's
presence.
 13. "But a human being shall never attempt to force the truth onto another,
because then it
      would only be worth half its value.
 14. "First, humans shall tend to their own progress in consciousness and
spirit, so as to
      produce Creational harmony within themselves.
 15. "No greater darkness rules within humans than ignorance and lack of
wisdom.
 16. "Greatness of personal victory requires uprooting and destroying all
influences that
      oppose the Creational force, so that which is Creational may prevail.
 17. "Humans should develop within themselves the power to judge over good and
evil and to
      correctly perceive all things, so that they may be wise and fair and
follow the laws.
 18. "It is necessary to be cognizant of what is real and what is unreal, what
is valuable
      and what is worthless, and what is of Creation and what is not.
 19. "Human beings must become a cosmic unity, so that they can become one
with Creation.
 20. "Conform your lives to the laws; live according to the laws of nature,
then you will also
      live according to the laws of Creation.
 21. "Regardless of how much humans may suffer, the power of Creation within
them is immeasurably
      greater, and it will conquer all ills.
 22. "When human beings live within their consciousness only as mortal humans,
they are
      inaccessibly remote from their spirit, from Creation       and therefore
from its laws.
 23. "The greater their dedication to the laws of Creation, the deeper will
become the peace
      within them.
 24. "The happiness of humans consists in seeking and finding the truth, so
they may thereby
      gather knowledge, gain wisdom, and think and act in accordance with
Creation.
 25. "Only through the circumstances of human life can humans develop and use
their Creational
      powers in consciousness and in spirit.
 26. "Humans gain experience in the use of their powers and capabilities only
by
      trying daily to unlock them.
 27. "As long as human beings do not become one with Creation, they will never
be able
      to rise above death or near-death, since the fear of the unknown is
within them.
      Only when they are able to fully recognize the perfection and unity of
Creation can they
      slowly begin to acquire sublimity.
 28. "instead of following instinctive and impulsive urges, humans should live
by cognition
      and wisdom, so that they may live justly according to the laws and
directives.
 29. "Humans should not lose their way in the thicket of limitations, but
should expand
      their consciousness and seek and find knowledge, logic and truth, and
from these learn wisdom.
 30. "Thereby they will come closer to their life's goal and become cognizant
of the Creational
      principle in all things.
 31. "Thousands of lights will guide humans along their path, provided they
observe and
      follow them.
 32. "Human beings will attain all their knowledge and wisdom, provided they
seriously
      strive for perfection.
 33. "The laws serve all those who are prepared to seek the truth in unlimited
measure
      and to learn wisdom from them.
 34. "For in mastering all possible orientations within themselves, they
develop their
      spiritual powers to higher and higher levels, and in so doing they
perfect themselves.
 35. "Humans should not attempt to dwell upon their physical misery, but upon
the reality
      of the spirit and the existence of Creation.
 36. "A continual restlessness exists within humans, because they have a
premonition that
      Creation is their fate and destination.
 37. "Humans may be great, wise and good, yet this is not sufficient, for they
can always
      become greater, wiser and better.
 38. "There may be no limits to love, peace and joy, because the present state
must
      always be exceeded.
 39. "Truly, I say to you, a love that is unlimited, constant and unfailing is
unconditional
      and is a pure love, in whose fire all that is impure and evil will burn.
 40. "Such a love is Creation's love and, therefore its laws as well, to which
humanity
      has been predestined since the beginning of time.
 41. "Since this is the ultimate destination for human beings, they must take
steps to
      guarantee that this will come to be, for this is their destiny.
 42. "But as yet humans do not understand the wisdom of this teaching, and
therefore
      it is being adulterated everywhere on Earth.
 43. "In their ignorance, humans are falsifying the teachings in many ways and
forms,
      so that they are becoming diffused and unintelligible.
 44. "But in two times a thousand years they shall be taught anew without
falsification,
      when humans become sensible and knowledgeable, and a new age heralds
great upheavals.
 45. "And it can be read in the stars that the people of the new age will be
great
      revolutionaries. Thus, some special predestined people, who will be the
new proclaimers
      of my teachings, will preach them unfalsified and with great courage.
 46. "But you, go therefore and prepare the way for my teachings and make all
peoples
      their disciples.
 47. "However, beware of false teachings, which you may allow to arise because
of your lack
      of judgment, for some of you are inclined that way.
 48. "Teach them to follow everything I have commanded you, so you do not
falsify my teachings."
 49.  And it came to pass, that while he was speaking to them in this manner,
a thundering
      came from the sky, and a great light descended.
 50.  The light settled on the ground not far from them, and it glittered like
metal
      in the sunlight.
 51.  Jmmanuel spoke no more, but went to the metallic light and entered into
it.
 52.  Then, however, a haze arose all around it. Once again a thundering began
and the light
      ascended back into the sky.
 53.  And the disciples returned to Jerusalem in secret and made known the
events
      among their own kind.
235               Chapter 33
               Jmmanuel in Damascus
 I.  Jmmanuel was set down by the great light in Syria, where he lived for two
years
     in Damascus without being recognized.
 2.  After this time he sent a messenger to Galilee to seek out his brother,
Thomas,
     and his disciple, Judas Iscariot.
 3.  Two months passed, however, before they joined Jmmanuel and brought bad
news.
 4.  His brother Thomas spoke, saying, "Your disciples have greatly falsified
your teachings;
     they insult you by calling you the son of God and they also set you equal
to Creation.
 5. "The chief priests and elders persecute your followers and have them
stoned when they are caught.
 6. "But Thomas, one of your disciples, fled, and it is reported that he has
departed with a
     caravan for the land of India.
 7. "A great enemy of yours has arisen in a man named Saul.
 8. "He is fuming with rage and utters death threats against your disciples
and those
     who trust in your teachings.
 9. "He is having letters written to the synagogues in all regions, whereby if
any followers
     of your new teachings are found, they will be bound and taken to
Jerusalem.
10. "No distinction is being made between women, men and children. They will
all be found
     guilty and condemned to die."
II.  But Jmmanuel said, "Don't be afraid, the time will soon come when Saul
will receive a
     lesson regarding his evil thinking.
12. "He is already on the road to Damascus, following you and Judas Iscariot
here now,
     in order to lead you back to Jerusalem in shackles.
13. "However, I will confront him before he reaches Damascus, and since he
believes me dead,
     he will presume he is seeing a ghost."
14.  Jmmanuel set out to see a friend who was helpful to him in secret things
that involved
     powders, salves and liquids that smelled bad.
15.  Well supplied with these things, he departed, leaving the city by way of
the road to Galilee.
16.  A day's trip from Damascus, he waited for two days in the rocks and
prepared his concoction.
17.  During the night he saw a large group of armed men coming, among them
Saul, the persecutor
     of his disciples.
18.  When they were near, he struck a fire and tossed it into his concoction,
thus producing
     a powerfully bright light that blinded the group.
19.  Jmmanuel continued stoking the flaring concoction, so that powerful
flashes of light,
     stars and fireballs shot into the sky or fell from it. All this was
accompanied by thundering
     booms and loud hissing sounds, as if from gigantic dragons and serpents.
20.  The thundering and booms subsided, as did the hissing. The blinding
flashes and the
     multi-colored fires died down, yet stinging smoke continued to cover the
land and caused
     the group to cough and shed tears.
21.  Then Jmmanuel called out, "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute my
disciples?"
22.  But Saul was afraid and fell to the ground, crying out, "Who are you who
speaks to me
     like this?"
23.  And Jmmanuel answered, saying, "I am Jmmanuel whom you persecute in your
hatred,
     along with my disciples.
24. "Get up. Go into the city and let yourself be taught how you should live."
25.  Saul was very afraid and said, "But you are the one who was crucified. So
you are dead and
     must be speaking to me as a ghost."
26.  However Jmmanuel did not answer him. He left and headed for Damascus.
27.  But the men who were Saul's companions stood still, petrified with fear,
because
     they also believed they had heard a ghost.
28.  Saul got up from the ground and opened his eyes. However, he saw nothing
because his eyes
     were blinded, for he had stared directly into the bright light Jmmanuel
had generated.
29.  His companions then took him by the hand and led him to Damascus,
30.  and for three days he saw nothing, ate nothing and drank nothing.
31.  However, one of Jmmanuel's disciples came to Saul and preached to him the
new teachings,
     and gradually he accepted them.
32.  But because of the events by the rocks, his mind was slightly confused.
He misunderstood much
     and spoke incoherently.
33.  Somewhat confused in his mind, he went away and preached incoherent
nonsense to the people.
34.  Jmmanuel, however, remained in Damascus another thirty days and made it
known that he would be
     leaving the country and traveling to the land of India.
35.  His mother Mary came from Nazareth and set out on the road to the land of
India with Jmmanuel,
     his brother Thomas, and Judas Iscariot.
36.  And Jmmanuel began to preach again and teach the people wherever he
encountered them along
     the way and in any settlement he came to.
37.  There was a new strength within him and his teachings were more powerful
than before.

Harvey

La NThe Flavored Coffee Guy

"The Flavored Coffee Guy" wrote in message news:[email]...

I guess we'll have to rent Mel Gibson's movie "The Passion of the Christ" to get the answer to that Q.

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The Flavored Coffee GuyLa N

Every innocent child taught to believe in Jesus Christ, is corrupted by it. The New Testament, offers no hope of salvation without sin, and that makes it a priority for children to sin, in order to have a God, and Savior to believe in. The most dissappointing part of that is that, the children's love of life is being taken advantage of. The Children are being used in such a way that teaching that the need to believe in Jesus Christ, teaches them that they have to believe in him to live forever, and Jesus Christ, doesn't address the righteous, nor what happens to children raised by the unknown standard and means presented by "Proverbs 22:6 Train a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not turn from it." Which, is sexist anyway.

So, if you really believe in a perfect and righteous God, then Jesus Christ, is forsaken, finished, and for good.

The Flavored Coffee GuyLa N

Every innocent child taught to believe in Jesus Christ, is corrupted by it. The New Testament, offers no hope of salvation without sin, and that makes it a priority for children to sin, in order to have a God, and Savior to believe in. The most dissappointing part of that is that, the children's love of life is being taken advantage of. The Children are being used in such a way that teaching that the need to believe in Jesus Christ, teaches them that they have to believe in him to live forever, and Jesus Christ, doesn't address the righteous, nor what happens to children raised by the unknown standard and means presented by "Proverbs 22:6 Train a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not turn from it." Which, is sexist anyway.

So, if you really believe in a perfect and righteous God, then Jesus Christ, is forsaken, finished, and for good.

The Flavored Coffee GuyLa N

Every innocent child taught to believe in Jesus Christ, is corrupted by it. The New Testament, offers no hope of salvation without sin, and that makes it a priority for children to sin, in order to have a God, and Savior to believe in. The most dissappointing part of that is that, the children's love of life is being taken advantage of. The Children are being used in such a way that teaching that the need to believe in Jesus Christ, teaches them that they have to believe in him to live forever, and Jesus Christ, doesn't address the righteous, nor what happens to children raised by the unknown standard and means presented by "Proverbs 22:6 Train a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not turn from it." Which, is sexist anyway.

So, if you really believe in a perfect and righteous God, then Jesus Christ, is forsaken, finished, and for good.

In article , [email] says...

You have to make up your own mind - Do you believe the traditional story about Jesus? What do you believe Jesus taught?

Things to ask yourself...

Do you believe he taught about reincarnation? Reincarnation is mentioned in the Bible...

Do you believe in the resurrection? Did it happen?

If it didn't - what did happen? Some people have said, that Jesus did not die on the cross, but had a near death experience and was resucitated from near death. This is put forward in the British documentary "Did Jesus Die?"

There is an alternate story about Jesus which says in essence that Christianity does not present the true story.

Harvey

In article , [email] says...

A truthful answer would be that Jesus Christ is simply a myth, and the Bible is not a reliable source of information about the figure, that Jesus is based upon. The same can be said of Jewish and Muslim text.

They all don't give us a truthful or accurate picture of what they are trying to say. If you believe any of those text word for word - everything. Then you are being led down the garden path, away from the truth.

Harvey

Tank FixerThe Flavored Coffee Guy

In article , on 6 Jan 2006 22:18:03 -0800, The Flavored Coffee Guy [email] attempted to say .....

Explains why you are still in 3rd grade at age 19

When dealing with propaganda terminology one sometimes always speaks in variable absolutes. This is not to be mistaken for an unbiased slant.
redc1c4Tank Fixer

but he's always the first picked for teams @ recess.....

redc1c4, (mis mama is *so* proud! %-)

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