Retcon (retroactive continuity) in Friends. . . . (long)

Mar 17, 2002, 1:59 PM ET14 posts by 6 posters
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Peter

"Retcon" = "retroactive continuity" (another term I've picked up from the _Buffy_ and _Angel_ newsgroups). Here's the entry from "The Jargon Dictionary" (http://info.astrian.net/jargon/terms/r/retcon.html):

[begin def] 1. n. The common situation in pulp fiction (esp. comics or soap operas) where a new story 'reveals' things about events in previous stories, usually leaving the 'facts' the same (thus preserving continuity) while completely changing their interpretation. For example, revealing that a whole season of "Dallas" was a dream was a retcon. 2. vt. To write such a story about a character or fictitious object. "Byrne has retconned Superman's cape so that it is no longer unbreakable." "Marvelman's old adventures were retconned into synthetic dreams." "Swamp Thing was retconned from a transformed person into a sentient vegetable." "Darth Vader was retconned into Luke Skywalker's father in "The Empire Strikes Back". [end def]

There are some definite examples of this device in _Friends_, and I've been thinking about their effect on the show. Are there any that you wish they hadn't done? I have some examples:

"The Truth About London"

Although this one was well executed, I wish the writers had not done this. Before the episode aired, I'd had the impression that Chandler moves seamlessly from consoling Monica at the reception hall to consoling her further in the hotel room. I hate that this was retconned so that Monica was seeking Joey and that encountering Chandler instead was a (happy) accident.

"TOA the Beach"

As much as I like Teri Garr and enjoy her depiction of Phoebe Sr., I wish the writers had left Lily as Phoebe and Ursula's birth mom. The poor woman took her own life, and the writers took away her biological motherhood, too. The retcon also renders problematic Phoebe's grandmother characterizing Frank Sr. as "the irresponsible creep who knocked up your mom and stole her Gremlin." Sure, one could explain this away. Maybe the grandmother was being dishonest about the pregnancy. Or maybe Lily was not in her life when the girls were born, and she lied to her mother. But that's not what the writers intended in TOW Phoebe's Dad--it would all be retrofitting. Again, I wish Lily could simply have been left as the biological mom.

There are others, but these are the two I really wish they hadn't done. Anyone else?

These also make me wary of flashbacks in general. I sort of hope they don't do any more, unless they don't do this kind of retconning.

Belphoebe

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well, "TOW all the Thanksgivings" really messed with the continuity didnt it? I mean Joey trying to scare Chandler on Thanksgiving 1992, although as of "TOW the flashback" they werent supposed for another year, and then Rachel remembering a story about Chandler and Monica from way back although she didnt seem to have any idea who he was in the pilot. That one was very badly done, I usually dont even notice these kinds of things...

But then again, those were just details that werent important for the story, so it didnt really hurt anyone.

Andre

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I agree about the Thanksgiving flashbacks. I almost mentioned this one in my initial post, since it rewrites the past in a number of ways, but they seem pretty benign when I think about them.

Belphoebe

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It's not really retcon though, because Rachel forgetting Chandler (after meeting him two Thanksgivings in a row) seems to me to be a continuity break. One might argue that she forgot, but I don't buy it. It's benign, but discontinuous IMO.

PeterDavid Buehrle

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A very good point. Rachel seems to have met Chandler for the first time three different times. :)

Belphoebe

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Didn't Lily, Phoebe, and Frank hang out together all the time? I always thought Frank knocked up Phoebe and couldn't deal with the stituation since he was apparently already married to Lily. So, he left (in Lily's car.) Furthermore, I think the thought that Frank would take his affections elsewhere really messed up Lily to the point that she couldn't live with it anymore. It was obviously painful for her to be raising Phoebe's girls since this was one of the points she made in her suicide letter. IMO it actually adds greater continuity to the arc of the younger Pheobe's life.

PeterDavid Buehrle

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Your explanation makes sense given the season three/four developments, but I just *wish* they hadn't done it.

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I understand and agree, especially from the emotional point of view.

abrahammyDavid Buehrle

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This has happened A LOT to Ross, and it hasn't been particularly benign. They took away his rather important claim to virginity when he met Carol and gave him a bad habit of making passes at girls when he got dumped. They used retcons to completely destroy that character because he was too hard to write funny when he was nice - Michael Curtis actually told us that, though he didn't use the word "destroy."

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Wait a sec. When did they erase the fact that he was a virgin when he married? Am I forgetting something?

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Peterabrahammy

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I couldn't agree more about retcons and Ross. They've been vicious, and I wish they hadn't done that. Another example I can think of is 6.09, TOW Ross Got High. There, he was retconned as having smoked pot during college and then leading his parents to believe it was Chandler who'd been smoking. Then they have him not wanting to tell his parents the truth even though they're still holding a grudge against Chandler.

Belphoebe

TanaDavid Buehrle

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I think Phoebe, Lily and Frank did more than "hang out" together. Phoebe stated that they were "a couple", in other words, the three of them were involved in a romantic relationship. I don't think Frank and Lily were married at that point. I think what happened was that Phoebe got pregnant, and Lily and Frank agreed to raise the babies, so they got married.

One continuity error does exist in the whole story: both Phoebe Abbot and Phoebe Buffet imply that Frank left before the girls were born, yet later we see that he was around long enough to sing Phoebe to sleep. He probably went out for groceries one day and never returned, just like he did to Frank Jr.

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This is a good point--I was thinking about that, too. In TOW Joey's bag we learned he stuck around long enough to burn the formula, misdiaper the girls, and sing them a lullaby that made them cry more.

Belphoebe