The season premeire did have some funny moments, but I thought the subplot with Monica's dad went from funny to creepy incredibly fast. I can't imagine any father sharing sex tips with his daughter like that, I don't care how old she is. And the constant confusion between Rachel, Joey, Ross, and Phoebe started to wear thin by the end. And the thought of a Rachel-Joey-Ross love triangle continuing just bores me honestly. Just let Rachel be with Ross, heck they even have a kid together now and live with eachother.
Joey got the stage fright, and turned to Chandler, shouting "Do it now! Do it!! Do it! Do it now!!" .... ya know sometimes, late at night, Chandler can still here the screaming.
At $6,500,000 per episode, and $6,000,000 of it going to the six friends, there probably wasn't enough cash to have two recurring characters on the show. So, let's just imagine that she was so tired that she decided to take a nap, and come back the next day.
You know what bothered me the most about Mr. Gellar's appearance? It was his line "Oh my first grandchild!" What was the point of that? Why make him discount Ben like that? After Ross says, "What about Ben?" he corrects himself and says, "I meant my first granddaughter." But he didn't really, it seemed like we were meant to believe he really forgot about Ben. I thought it was a very out of place statement. Unless it was an inside joke about how rarely Ben appears on the show, but I don't think so. Odd.
I can see it. Ben was born after Ross divorced Carol. Ben's "grandparents" are probably Carol's and Susan's folks. We know how little Ross sees Ben, Ma and Pa Gellar probably see him a tiny fraction of that time.
I was creeped out by EG's whole appearance, though. Of course, I don't like "everybody loves Raymond" for much the same reason. If my inlaws were like that, I'd make sure I never saw them again.
On Fri, 27 Sep 2002, an infinite number of monkeys, masquerading as Richard typed this -
I don't know about that. In TOW the Lesbian Wedding, we heard that Carol's parents refused to attend the wedding because they were uncomfortable with her being a lesbian.
They may have gotten past that since then, but if not, I doubt Carol would let them see Ben much.
I think that's EXACTLY why they had the line in there. To me it seemed kind of sad though. So, I guess we're back to your original point--why? I don't know.
I think the "joke" was that some grandpa's seem to 'fall in love' with their granddaughters....that's what I understood it as...My grandpa said the same thing when I was born, after my 4 cousins who were boys..;) "ronnie" wrote in message news:[email]...
Because I bet a lot of people forget about Ben. Remember all the "jump the shark" posts when Rachel became pregnant? Those posters forget that there were already two previous births on the show.
Big difference, though, in that none of those children were going to live with any of the Friends. In this case, there are now going to be seven Friends, one of them very small and inarticulate.
I agree. I also wonder if I'm the only one who would never connect "We're trying" with "we're trying to get pregnant." Mad About You did the same thing and I never would have gotten it if someone said that to me. It was nice to see Monica and Chandler acting like the like each other as more than friends unlike most of season 8. While Elliot Gould was funny, he seemed really out of it and I really expected more from his character, given the cute beginning with the magic tricks.
I agree with this too. I never really bought the whole Joey loves Rachel thing, so I don't really like any of it. I think that this little plot could have been taken care of so easily within the first few minutes instead of dragging the "confusion" out through the whole thing and apparently into next week's now that Ross thinks that Rachel wants to be with Joey.
I truly do not understand why Rachel cannot be alone all of the sudden. I was really hoping that this baby storyline would give Rachel a chance to prove just how far she has come in the world, but instead, it's just been about whether she wants to be with Joey or Ross because "she doesn't want to do this alone." I can't fathom why she thinks that everyone, including Ross, is just going to up and leave her to take care of the baby all by her lonesome (even though she lives with Ross), unless she gets married or involved with them. Her friends (and family to some extent) have always been there for her since she was a wet bride looking for Monica in the city. Why she think she needs a man to help her take care of Emma is beyond me.
On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:02:49 GMT, Jenn Alcivar wrote:
I totally agree. Rachel growing up and taking care of Emma would be the ultimate proof of how Rachel has changed from the spoiled little princess that entered Central Perk in the pilot. But as long as the producers think that she *must* end up with someone (i.e. Ross), I'm afraid that won't happen.
That's a very good point in terms of character development, but remember that it was only a few weeks before the baby was born when she realized (at her shower) that she knew nothing about raising a baby. She was so scared that she was willing to have her loco mama live with them. Ross did the stand up thing and explained how well he knew what to do, and he comforted her by pointing out how much she had grown over the years.
Now, honestly, what woman wouldn't want *that* version of the Ross character to help her through child-raising, and ultimately through life.
My point is that it would verge on irresponsibility to deny a willing, able and caring father his right to fulfill the role of parent just to test Rachel's character. Although, in Rachel's case, one might argue that it is taking the easy road, but I say it's great! Take the easy road. Don't knock yourself out fighting unnecessary battles. Pace yourself, and leave the challenges to the situations that can't be helped. Life gives us enough challenges without creating new ones. ;-)
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Maybe you haven't experienced the challenge of living with someone you don't love and who always verbally disrespects you in front of anybody and everybody. Teaching children these types of behavior is the downfall of society.
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On a personal note, that discribes a part of my former marriage very well. I am thankful that there weren't children involved.
The bottom line for me with regard to "Friends" is this: I don't believe the disrespect that we saw the two exchange in the third season was a chronic flaw to either character. I think it was the result of two emotionally immature people whose actions were the trials and errors of youth. Left unchecked, it could develop into a chronic problem, but this is simple to remedy on a TV sitcom.
Ross seems to be on his way to growing out it already, possibly because the trauma of "the break" may have triggered some interspection, and he has matured (some). In Rachel's case, it might just be that she has never looked at the effect of her comments and her attitude on Ross and others. If she were to look inward, she might see the error of her ways. She might need help from her friends to point out the problem. In fact, that might make for an interesting plot for one episode--The One With Rachel's Intervention.
Btw, the original post to which I responded, was saying that Rachel should raise Emma alone (or at least without marrying anyone.) I think Emma will be with her mother in either case, and her mother is the one with the biggest disrespect problem. So the effect on Emma is not averted with either choice. So, given the plethora of potential positives in the coupling, I think it could be a positive thing for Emma if Rachel and Ross got married.