814 - After 45 episodes, the end of an era...

Jan 31, 2002, 11:19 PM ET22 posts by 14 posters
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Anonymous

Well, I'm sure a lot of people, whatever you are rooting for in terms of couples, was disappointed to see Rachel moving out of Joey's apartment. They gave the show life support when it was about ready to die, and now that the show is back on top, it's time to say goodbye....at least for now.

It was necessary to have Rachel move out to extend this storyline for any reasonable amount of time, and it was necessary for Ross to have more access to his child, and he has had little access to Rachel in general since she moved in with Joey. So I think it was a sensible and smart move on the writers' part. They clearly have their head in the game this season.

Monica and Phoebe were really funny this episode. They have had great interaction this season when they are paired off. Chandler was ok, but still is not even close to the comic timing he had in the 4th, 5th, 6th seasons.

Did everyone else come away with the impression that Joey is the underdog we need to root for in all this?

A good episode for sweeps, it will be interesting to see what next week holds for us.

Grade for 814: B+

Past Grades:

813: B- 812: A 811: C 810: B+ 809: C+ 808: B+ 807: A- 806: A- 805: B+ 804: A- 803: C 802: B+ 801: B

Jonathan RobertsAnonymous

A. Non Ymous wrote:

I'll actually give it a B myself; I was amazed to see an episode where no one acted like a brain-dead fool.

-- Jon jonathan roberts * guitar, songs * North River Preservation
SadgeAnonymous

I thought it was a little wierd ... anyone remember a year or so when Will & Grace did pretty much the same joke (except that the mess was in the apartment and not in a closet)? Jack and Will walked through the apartment doing the theme.

I wear eyeglasses during the day. Yesterday, I was walking down the street wearing my eyeglasses and all of a sudden my prescription ran out. - Steven Wright "Anonymous" wrote in message
~Brian~Sadge

From: "Sadge"

Will &

apartment

I'm not a big fan of W&G but I think I remember that episode

Does anyone think W&G is the same show as Ned & Stacy, but they just made the two guys gay? Just curious

~Brian

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David Buehrle~Brian~

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I hadn't thought of it, but now that you mention it . . .

Amy and DaveDavid Buehrle

I thought that when I first saw it.

"David Buehrle" wrote in message news:VfI68.348473$[email]...

made

SadgeDavid Buehrle

made

You mean Ned and his friend (the one now on Ally McBeal) weren't gay?!?!?!? ;)

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Lee JamilkowskiAnonymous

Remember though, that it was implied that Rachel's moving in with Ross might be a trial basis. Probably based upon a variety of factors (i.e. Mona, Ross & Rachel, Joey actually telling Rachel how he feels, Joey's success in living alone, etc.)

Christoph PäperLee Jamilkowski

"Lee Jamilkowski" schrieb:

That ^^^^ should be over soon: Look how Ross treats her lately and he wasn't that comfortable about the holiday card etc. I don't like her neither and the actress doesn't appear at all. I wondered how many episodes are already filmed ahead? Because right now, the authors could let anything happen NBC wants, it'll fit: besides normal R&R or J&R come-togethers e.g. death/heavy injury of the unborn baby or Ben to get R&R closer or Joey in a serious relationship (w/out Rachel, I think that is what he really wants), everything but a C&M break-up. I know there'll be some R&R romantic scene(s) soon, but am not quite sure what's gonna be after that. So are the authors, I guess.

Christoph, still hoping for R&R

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David BuehrleChristoph Päper

"Christoph P�per" wrote in message news:a3f2i2$jig$[email]...

Oh yeah, Mona is gonna LOVE this setup . . . NOT. We'll see her for the last time in 815. I'd put money on it. (Not a lot though. I just dropped a bundle on a few stocks that I think are going pay off big in the next 6 months!!)

DennisDavid Buehrle

"David Buehrle" wrote in message news:njI68.348474$[email]...

dropped

Yea, there is no way Mona will go for this arrangement. I don't know if it's a good idea to lay odds on it happening in 815 though.

Dennis "Nothing is so bad, that it can't get worse!"
p r i y aDavid Buehrle

"David Buehrle" wrote in message news:...

Mona's not going to like it. So, Rachel might move out of there not wanting to complicate things for them. :P

Priya

John HullsAnonymous

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I think Rachel moving out will make the J&R relationship more likely. I can't wait to see Rachels reaction when she finally discovers how Joey feels about her and realises what a sacrifice he was making when he encouraged her to move in with Ross.

Love is when the other person's happiness is more important than your own. (H. Jackson Browne).

John

SofyaJohn Hulls

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feels

her

How was it a sacrifice though? He can still see her, he could still have a relationship with her. What is he losing? Besides seeing her everyday in the morning...etc.

Sofya

SofyaJohn Hulls

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feels

her

It wasn't a sacrifice. It was the right thing to do. He should have done it from the beginning.

Sofya

AndreaSofya

It was a sacrifice, because (like all the R&R diehards seem to wish) the fact that Ross and Rachel live together may bring them closer to a relationship. And since Joey wants a relationship with Rachel and knows this, it is a serious sacrifice. He is putting everyone before himself - the baby, Ross and even Rachel. He is more concerned about hurting someone else than being hurt himself. God, I love him. Andrea

David BuehrleAndrea

"Andrea" wrote in message news:[email]...

The truly selfless act! He has just proved himself wrong! There is such a thing! When he's feeling a little better Phoebe should point it out to him. She would do that, don't you think?

abrahammyAndrea

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First of all, I don't want what I am about to say to sound like Joey didn't make a sacrifice. What he did was hard and it made him sad, and the audience was clearly supposed to feel sad for him. I might suggest that, in his difficult situation, it might also have been a very insightful moment of self-preservation. If you are deeply attracted to somebody and you feel dating them is a destructive idea, it is usually very wise to put a little distance between them and yourself. While he will miss her terribly in the short term, he will find it easier to resist her charms when she isn't living practically in his lap. It makes the torture a little less bad. In practical, mental health terms, Joey's gesture was a very good idea on a number of levels.

David Buehrleabrahammy

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"After the bee stung you, he probably died." And the totally selfless act is alluded once more.

AnonymousAndrea

[email] (Andrea) wrote in message news:...

And that's what the writers want you to do with Joey. He has got to be portrayed as that underdog type if anyone is going to root for him to get Rachel. And now that they are beginning negotiations for a 9th season, obviously the odds of a Joey & Rachel relationship become much better since it will have ample time to develop this season and next. Does it end with them? I guess that depends on the fan reaction. I'm sure they probably would have broken up Monica and Chandler after awhile if they weren't so popular together.

It seems like in the next episode, which according to the promo looks like Joey telling Ross his feelings, you would think this would be the perfect opportunity for everyone to root for Ross again if he was devastated by hearing of Joey's feelings. But if Ross keeps up the same personality that he has the last few episodes, Joey's revelation probably won't garner much support for Ross.

SofyaAnonymous

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I see nothing wrong with how Ross has been acting in season 8 except for TOW Ross's Step Forward.

Sofya

SofyaAndrea

If he truly cares about Rachel then he should think of the baby before himself. Not a sacrifice...the right thing to do.

Sofya

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