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Andrï¿½ KnocheJun 13, 2002, 5:57 PM ET

I've been urged to ask you about your theory regarding Joey's attempt to repopulate the earth with condoms. So if you'd be kind of enough to fill me and everybody else who has not yet heard about this in? ;-)

Andrï¿½

Tennant StuartJun 13, 2002, 8:03 PM ET↩ Andrï¿½ Knoche

In article , "Cookie Dude" wrote:

Joey was making no such attempt. :-)

All one has to do is stop thinking of Joey as a complete dumbass who does not know what to do with a condom, and the answer is obvious.

Tennant

SofyaJun 13, 2002, 10:25 PM ET↩ Tennant Stuart

"Tennant Stuart" wrote in message news:[email]...

Is it?

Sofya

AneslyJun 13, 2002, 10:47 PM ET↩ Sofya

[Fri, 14 Jun 2002 02:25:41 GMT] "Sofya" wrote:

My impression when I watched this episode wasn't that Joey actually thought they might have to repopulate the earth; rather, he'd put away some condoms on the off chance they got to have sex for whatever reason-- for example, boredom, and that the 'repopulate the earth' bit was just a lousy lie he tried to cover with, and was immediately pointed out as such by Chandler.

Amy and DaveJun 14, 2002, 6:59 PM ET↩ Anesly

"Anesly" <devnullatdeadletter.org> wrote in message news:[email]...

That's what I got too.

Tennant StuartJun 15, 2002, 1:27 PM ET↩ Anesly

In article , Anesly <devnullatdeadletter.org> wrote:

That's pretty close, but rather than a lousy lie, ISTM that Joey was putting on his dumb act, to deflect Chandler, who should have kept his big mouth shut.

Tennant

JamesS1889Jun 16, 2002, 10:34 AM ET↩ Tennant Stuart

In article , Tennant Stuart writes:

That's entirely possible, but it strikes me as an extremely imaginitive interpretation. It is far from clear to me that this is the most likely explanation. --- James Squire - http://members.aol.com/jamess1889 IDF Soldiers' Combatant Letter 2002 - http://seruv.nethost.co.il/defaulteng.asp Personal Testimony of an Israeli Refusenik - http://www.shalomctr.org/html/peace84.html

Andrï¿½ KnocheJun 16, 2002, 12:42 PM ET↩ JamesS1889

JamesS1889 wrote:

I guess we do not need to debate that Joey put the condoms in there in case he and Chandler might have an opportunity to have sex with Phoebe and/or Monica while being stuck in Monica's room during one of Ross and Rachel's never ending fights again.

Actually, how would you explain the scene, or which part of Tennant's explanation can you not agree with? I've always thought of the scene in the same way (which was why I was rather confused, when I was told to ask Tennant about his mysterious condom theory and all he did was to state what to me was pretty obvious anyway)

Andrï¿½

JamesS1889Jun 17, 2002, 9:33 AM ET↩ Andrï¿½ Knoche

In article , "Cookie Dude" writes:

I'm gonna go out on a limb and agree ;-)

"Dumb act" is hardly the first thing that occurred to me when I saw it. I just thought it was typical "Joey-speak".

There's no law that says I'm right and you two are wrong. I never said I "cannot" agree. I simply said that Tennant's explanation is hardly the most obvious one, and he shouldn't be so amazed that not too many people agree with it. That's all. --- James Squire - http://members.aol.com/jamess1889 IDF Soldiers' Combatant Letter 2002 - http://seruv.nethost.co.il/defaulteng.asp Personal Testimony of an Israeli Refusenik - http://www.shalomctr.org/html/peace84.html

Andrï¿½ KnocheJun 17, 2002, 11:34 AM ET↩ JamesS1889

JamesS1889 wrote:

I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm honestly asking you for your interpretation!

Andrï¿½

JamesS1889Jun 17, 2002, 10:13 PM ET↩ Andrï¿½ Knoche

In article , "Cookie Dude" writes:

I'm not saying that you are saying I am wrong. I gave you my interpretation above. --- James Squire - http://members.aol.com/jamess1889 IDF Soldiers' Combatant Letter 2002 - http://seruv.nethost.co.il/defaulteng.asp Personal Testimony of an Israeli Refusenik - http://www.shalomctr.org/html/peace84.html

SofyaJun 17, 2002, 11:02 PM ET↩ JamesS1889

"JamesS1889" wrote in message news:[email]...

interpretation

And...I'm saying that I know that you know that I know that you're saying that you were not saying that you were wrong...how about that? lol :)

Sofya

Andrï¿½ KnocheJun 18, 2002, 6:08 AM ET↩ Sofya

Sofya wrote:

Yeah, my thoughts exactly :)

Andrï¿½

p r i y aJun 18, 2002, 2:48 AM ET↩ JamesS1889

[email] (JamesS1889) wrote in message news:...

But aren't you surprised that almost everyone who has posted in this thread saw the scene in the same way as Tennant in an "extremely imaginative" way? ;)

Priya

JamesS1889Jun 19, 2002, 10:00 AM ET↩ p r i y a

In article , [email] (p r i y a) writes:

Tennant StuartJun 20, 2002, 8:11 AM ET↩ JamesS1889

In article , [email] (JamesS1889) wrote:

To be perfectly honest, me too. :)

I'm afraid I was a bit defensive at first (so apologies to Andrï¿½).

Tennant

p r i y aJun 20, 2002, 11:37 AM ET↩ JamesS1889

On 19 Jun 2002 14:00:20 GMT, [email] (JamesS1889) wrote:

What Andre thought was obvious in Tennant's interpretation seemed extremely imaginative to you. I think it goes to show that one can't argue that a joke was written in a specific way. Obviously, different people see the scenes as they choose and nobody is either right or wrong. It's a matter of personal interpretation. None of us had to scratch our heads and think hard to make Joey look smart or less dumb here. What was discussed and explained (in the other thread and here) was how many of us saw and perceived those scenes when we first watched the episodes.

Priya

Tennant StuartJun 18, 2002, 7:54 PM ET↩ JamesS1889

In article , [email] (JamesS1889) wrote:

You think that Joey knows nothing about condoms?

Or that Monica would consent to sex without one?

BTW, it is true that Monica would reject Joey's advances, but Joey doesn't know that. At this moment her relationship with Chandler was the best-kept secret of the gang - that is until Joey figured it out a little later.

Tennant

JamesS1889Jun 21, 2002, 11:17 AM ET↩ Tennant Stuart

In article , Tennant Stuart writes:

No. I actually have no idea just how much he knows about them, but more than likely he knows what their basic purpose is. Which makes his comment all the more ridiculous. I am ambivalent on the question of whether this makes Joey slow or not, but I am firm in my opinion that this does NOT make Joey clever. Chandler's comeback proves that.

No.

Tennant StuartJun 22, 2002, 12:58 PM ET↩ JamesS1889

In article , [email] (JamesS1889) wrote:

It was Chandler who foolishly ruined the whole thing by pointing out the condoms in the first place, so Joey had to cover by putting on his dumb act. Chandler's comeback proves that he fell for the ruse.

Tennant

JamesS1889Jun 23, 2002, 5:33 PM ET↩ Tennant Stuart

In article , Tennant Stuart writes:

I think Chandler's question was quite legitimate, not to mention understandable considering that he and Monica were - albeit secretly - having a relationship together.

And the fact that Joey felt the need to come up with a "dumb act" to cover (not for Chandler, but for himself) is Joey's foolishness, not Chandler's.

If you are saying that Chandler "fell for it" by taking Joey's dumbness too seriously, fine. I'd say he only did so in order to make fun of Joey, but if you want to make a big deal out of it, be my guest.

Tennant StuartJun 24, 2002, 12:47 PM ET↩ JamesS1889

In article , [email] (JamesS1889) wrote:

O4sure, he came back in an entirely understandable way for him to do so.

Well, Joey didn't know that Monica was off-limits, and he didn't want to have her or Phoebe rounding on him for such premeditation.

I'll go for the former, but I don't want to make a big deal out of it. :)

What was that?

Tennant

JamesS1889Jun 25, 2002, 12:26 AM ET↩ Tennant Stuart

In article , Tennant Stuart writes:

Something like: You're looking at a yellow donut and you see an orange bagel instead. --- James Squire - http://members.aol.com/jamess1889 IDF Soldiers' Combatant Letter 2002 - http://seruv.nethost.co.il/defaulteng.asp Personal Testimony of an Israeli Refusenik - http://www.shalomctr.org/html/peace84.html

p r i y aJun 25, 2002, 8:59 AM ET↩ JamesS1889

On 25 Jun 2002 04:26:31 GMT, [email] (JamesS1889) wrote:

Or it's really an orange bagel and you are the one seeing a yellow donut instead. ;-)

Priya

JamesS1889Jun 26, 2002, 12:44 AM ET↩ p r i y a

In article , p r i y a writes:

That is always a theoretical possibility, which means nothing. That several people see it that way is obvious. It doesn't change the fact that we each think we are right. --- James Squire - http://members.aol.com/jamess1889 IDF Soldiers' Combatant Letter 2002 - http://seruv.nethost.co.il/defaulteng.asp Personal Testimony of an Israeli Refusenik - http://www.shalomctr.org/html/peace84.html

Tennant StuartJun 25, 2002, 5:57 PM ET↩ JamesS1889

In article , [email] (JamesS1889) wrote:

Oh. (?)

Tennant

Andrï¿½ KnocheJun 14, 2002, 8:16 AM ET↩ Tennant Stuart

Tennant Stuart wrote:

I don't think of Joey as a dumbass

eh? Now I'm confused

Andrï¿½

Tennant StuartJun 15, 2002, 1:35 PM ET↩ Andrï¿½ Knoche

In article , "Cookie Dude" wrote:

Andrï¿½, I very carefully used the impersonal idiom ("man" in German) since of course that attitude doesn't apply to you.

Joey filled the box with food and recreational materials.

One never knows one's luck, but Monica won't do it without a condom.

Incidentally, people always focus on this condom aspect of the story (mostly without thinking it through), but they very rarely bother to notice just how clever Joey had been in the first place...

  JOEY: (holding a box) Well, remember when they got in that big
        fight, and broke up, and we were all stuck in here, with
        no food or anything? Well, when Ross said "Rachel" at the
        wedding, I figured it was gonna happen again, so I hid
        this in here.

Joey's prediction was absolutely right, while none of the others even thought about it, let alone made all the connections.

Tennant

Andrï¿½ KnocheJun 15, 2002, 10:04 PM ET↩ Tennant Stuart

Tennant Stuart wrote:

Just making sure. People are surprisingly touchy on the issue of Joey's intelligence or lack thereof

Andrï¿½

Tennant StuartJun 18, 2002, 7:51 PM ET↩ Andrï¿½ Knoche

In article , "Cookie Dude" wrote:

Very wise, I'm sure. :)

Tennant

Paul HyettJun 16, 2002, 4:37 AM ET↩ Tennant Stuart

On Sat, 15 Jun 2002, an infinite number of monkeys, masquerading as Tennant Stuart typed this -

Ah, so this is one of those 'clever Joey' moments you were reluctant to list a few days ago?

Tennant StuartJun 18, 2002, 7:53 PM ET↩ Paul Hyett

In article , Paul Hyett wrote:

Yep, the key words in that sentence being "clever" and "list".

Most of the time, I describe Joey as "clever", simply as an antonym to "dumb" - here, although still not the work of a genius, we saw Joey rising above his general status as just an ordinary guy.

But I'm not going to start making a list just yet.

Tennant

Paul HyettJun 14, 2002, 4:44 AM ET↩ Andrï¿½ Knoche

On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, an infinite number of monkeys, masquerading as Cookie Dude typed this -

Wouldn't repopulating it with people be a better option? :)

David BuehrleJun 14, 2002, 8:09 AM ET↩ Paul Hyett

"Paul Hyett" wrote in message news:[email]...

Well, that's what *I* would do. ;-)

AdelineJun 14, 2002, 1:51 PM ET↩ Andrï¿½ Knoche

Ooh, an ATTN: Tennant thread... why, this is the perfect place! Happy birthday, hon! ;)

Roselani ScottJun 14, 2002, 8:18 PM ET↩ Adeline

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