Basically I'd like to know who is he?
In episode 814 Chandler says that Monica is Fred Sanford because she is messy.
Thanks for answer.
Daniel
P.S. Or maybe anyone knows some site, where such things as "cultural references" in "Friends" are explained?
"Daniel Jablonski" wrote in message news:a5ttpl$89k$[email]...
I dunno about a place where cultural references are expl'd, however, Fred Sanford was a reference to a sitcom on (when, maybe the '70s?? Don't recall exactly) however the show was called "Sanford 'n Son" which was a show about a trash collector/destroyer/salvage shop something like that...With an older black man (was it ... hmm..who WAS that?) who was like Archie Bunker in his stereotyping of all other folks.
Mary
Mary wrote:
Yup, it was the '70's. The actor was Redd Foxx.
--Rollie
"Essex9999" wrote in message news:[email]...
The key thing about Chandler's remark is Fred Sanford was a Junk Dealer -- so his yard and the inside of his house was always full of rusting, useless junk. So basically Chandler is saying that Monica really isn't a neat-freak, but a junk collector.
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Was it a remake of Steptoe and Son ??
Lauren
Yes. Though, not as mean as Steptoe and Son could get. (And Archie Bunker, referenced above, is the American incarnation of Alf Garret (or Gannet?) of 'Til Death Do Us Part)
James
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This reminds me--_Three's Company_ was also a remake of a BritCom (was the original also called _Three's Company_)? You might remember a reference to the show in _Friends_. The characters are watching TV at Monica's place, and _Three's Company_ is on. Chandler quips, "Oh, this is the one where there's some kind of misunderstanding" (this describes *every* episode), and Phoebe clicks it off, saying something like, "Oh, I've seen that one."
I saw a program a while back that played some scenes from the original UK version, followed by the exact same scenes recreated for the US show. In every case, I thought the UK scene was much better, even though the lines were nearly identical. The original was played with a much drier, deadpan approach, while the American remake was slapsticky and over the top. The voice-over narration praised John Ritter for adding so much physical comedy. Ick.
Belphoebe
In article , "Belphoebe" wrote:
The original was called "Man About the House". There were two spin-offs, "George and Mildred" (about the couple who owned the house), and "Robin's Nest" (about the younger man setting up his own restaurant). As well as "Three's Company", it was remade as "Tre p� toppen" and "En Fyra f�r tre".
Indeedy. Such hackneyed plots still survive in "Frasier".
Ick.
The Americans also ruined remakes of "Red Dwarf" and "Absolutely Fabulous", by sanitising those elements which made the originals so successful.
However, they did once remake "Dear John" with such faithfulness that you have to listen twice to the accents to realise it's not the original.
Tennant
Tennant Stuart wrote in message news:...
And in turn, "Three's Company" was spun off as "The Ropers" (ala George & Mildred) and "Three's A Crowd" (ala Robin's Nest). And like the UK counterparts, each were a case of diminishing returns. ("Three's a Crowd" was cancelled mid-series)
Trivia: What is "Man"'s theme song called, and the author?
And the same misunderstandings happen on "Man", especially Series 1 of each show, which used nearly identical scripts. (Of course, Jo's behind was much cuter than Chrissy's...)
Well, hey, remember, we thought Benny Hill was an art form...
I prefer "Man" over "Company"...my fav is "Have You Ever Met Rommel?"
A number of 70-80s sitcoms on ABC were remakes of Brian Cooke sitcoms:
American---British Too Close for Comfort -- Keep it in the Family Three's Company -- Man about the House
I'm sure there were more, but not off the top of me head. ;)
Most never saw the US pilot of "Red Dwarf", which is just as well, because except for Llewellen, it was crap.
And "Cybil", the psudo-AbFab was mediocre, which occasional shades of brilliance. Unfortunately, it had Cybil Shepherd in it.
I agree. That is one they got right. But, hey, we are not the only ones who make bad translations. I mean, "Brighton Belles?" (The Golden Girls). "Married for Life" (Married With Children). I've seen them, they were terrible. I'd rather watch a BBC2 doco, thanks.
James
"Tennant Stuart" wrote in message news:[email]...
I knowwwwww! Another one of the reasons I stopped watching.
Fabulous",
I thought the American _AbFab_ was shelved before it ever reached production. Roseanne was supposed to be involved in developing it. Or were you thinking of _Cybill_, which many people compared to _AbFab_?
Didn't realize _Dear John_ had been a remake.
Belphoebe
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So successful a remake was it that they sold it back to us and for ages the only version showing in the UK was the US version... Our original had Ralph Bates in it, and I think since his death the UK Dear John hasn't been reshown. :(
Other shows to cross the Atlantic include "Reggie" which was a remake of the UK's "Fall and Rise of Reginald Perrin", and "The Upper Hand", a UK remake of "Who's The Boss".
Jac
Jacqui wrote:
You might be right, Jacqui - big HI by the way! :)
The female lead was Belinda Lang, who went on to star in "2.4 Children".
Gosh.
Tennant
In article , "Belphoebe" wrote:
Exactly.
Another reference to "Three's Company" occurs in 222 "TOW the Two Parties" when Chandler asks "What would Jack & Chrissy do?", a reference to their other hackneyed plot, the door-swinging farce, also often in "Frasier".
That's a pretty good definition of being ruined.
Hardly, "Cybill" is mere fluff compared to "Absolutely Fabulous".
You don't read the end credits, do you? :)
Tennant
"Tennant Stuart" wrote in message news:[email]...
Hee hee. Good one--a knowing wink to the audience.
Ah, good point. I thought you meant it had been produced, but badly.
Yes, and it was also based pretty closely on Cybill Shepard's real life (the ex-husbands, acting career, etc.).
original.
Sometimes yes, sometimes no. It depends on whether I'm looking for something--for example, if I want to see whether a celebrity guest on _The Simpsons_ was voiced by the real person, I'll watch for that. But now that you mention it, I have a vague, shadowy recollection about a reference to an original version in the _Dear John_ credits.
When I saw _Shakespeare in Love_ with three other people, two of them insisted on watching the credits up through the location info, because they go on a university-sponsored trip to England every year, and wanted to verify that they were, indeed, the places they thought they were. The third person and I waited in the lobby impatiently.
The only time I really sat and watched movie credits was when I was an undergrad film major, and a friend was a Production Assistant in the film. A group of us from school watched for his credit.
Belphoebe
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I generally read the credits, or skim them. Often there is something I want to see anyway.
My favorite surprises came during the credits for "Airplane" and of course, my favorite (I hope I get the quote right) at the end of "Ferris Bueller's Day Off". As the last of the credits roll up the screen Ferris appears in his casual bedroom attire and says, "Are you still here? Go home."
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I don't remember which film it was, but I remember one that ended its credits with something like, "If you'd left at the beginning of the credits, you'd be home by now." When I noticed it, I was watching the film on TV, so I already was, anyway. :)
Belphoebe
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LOL It was obviously written without thought for the film's life beyond the theater, but I love the line.
In article , "Belphoebe" wrote:
Indeedy.
I think the nearest they got was a guest appearance (as their AbFab characters) in a late episode of "Roseanne".
Yes, the in-joking was quite good on that show.
Okay.
Ooh, so you've missed all the extra treats to be found in the credits of certain movies - check out Crazy Credits in the IMDb.
We always watch the whole caboodle.
Tennant
"Tennant Stuart" wrote in message news:[email]...
Yes, I remember something about them appearing during the last, worst season.
<After perusing a few examples>
Mmm hmm. Some amusing stuff--a few here and there that I knew about (if something interesting happens in the credits right away, I'm more likely to stick around a while). But I don't think I'll become a watches-the-credits-to-the-end-everytime person. However, I've got a couple of anglophile friends whose viewing habits are compatible with yours--I'll tell them to follow you to the cinema next time they're visiting. ;)
Hee hee. They'll be right behind you. They'll be the ones whispering, "Oh, yes--we were there two summers ago. . . ."
Belphoebe
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Beware the peril of Season Nine...
Good idea.
Eek, just as long as they don't whisper during the film itself.
Tennant
"Tennant Stuart" wrote in message news:[email]...
Ooh, and the ides of March. ;)
No, they've got impeccable movie etiquette. :)
Belphoebe
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Eek, that's on Friday.
Good. Have you seen "Scary Movie"?
Tennant
"Tennant Stuart" wrote in message news:[email]...
Keep an eye on your "friends." ;)
Yup.
Belphoebe
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And don't let them borrow your ears.
Well, then you know. :)
Tennant
"Tennant Stuart" wrote in message news:[email]...
Our friend Joey, is a Roman countryman! You can borrow ears from him.
Btw, the ides have arrived. Et tu Joey?
In article , "David Buehrle" wrote:
LOL - but his family are Neapolitan. :)
That's not an office for a friend, my lord.
Tennant
"Tennant Stuart" wrote in message news:[email]...
Hee hee. True.
Mmm hmm.
Belphoebe
On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Tennant Stuart stated this considered view. Waking from my doze, I hastily scrawled -
Very much the opposite for me - never liked AbFab, but loved Cybill.
It helped that all the starring females were hot (except Mary- Anne/Christine Baranski).
In article , Paul Hyett wrote:
Oh, go on, you fancied her really...
Tennant
"Tennant Stuart" wrote in message news:[email]...
She's an older woman compared to me, but I think that she is quite well kept. I mean, I'd keep her. ;-)
On Sun, 10 Mar 2002, David Buehrle stated this considered view. Waking from my doze, I hastily scrawled -
I won't stand in your way. :)
In article , "David Buehrle" wrote:
That's right, and she's usually the funniest character in the episode.
Tennant
On Sat, 9 Mar 2002, Tennant Stuart stated this considered view. Waking from my doze, I hastily scrawled -
No, not in the slightest - too horsey. Mary-Anne was hilarious though.
BTW, when Cybill was on GMTV this week, she said the age gap between Zoe & Rachel was 5 years. I always thought it was more like 8, but I guess Cybill would know, if anyone did! :)
In article , Paul Hyett wrote:
Fair enough.
I guess so.
Tennant
Tennant Stuart wrote in message news:...
"Tre p� toppen" and "En fyra f�r tre" are remakes of "Three's Company"?? Okay, Chandler's joke in 222 TOW Two Parties made so much more sense to me now. Thanks, Tennant. :)
In article , [email] (Marita Bakken) wrote:
You're welcome sweetie, but "Tre p� toppen" and "En fyra f�r tre" are *not* remakes of "Three's Company".
"Tre p� toppen" and "En fyra f�r tre" and "Three's Company" are remakes of "Man About the House". :)
Tennant
They did the same thing with the American "Three's Company". They tried to spin the Ropers (the original landlords) into their own show but it flopped. Then they took away the girls and moved Jack in with his girlfriend and he opened his own Bistro. They called this show "Three's a Crowd". It only lasted 1 season, I believed.
I wish they would make an American version of "Are You Being Served", but it probably wouldn't be as good as the British show.
Christina in GA [email]
"Tennant Stuart" wrote in message news:[email]... In article , "Belphoebe" wrote:
The original was called "Man About the House". There were two spin-offs, "George and Mildred" (about the couple who owned the house), and "Robin's Nest" (about the younger man setting up his own restaurant). As well as "Three's Company", it was remade as "Tre p� toppen" and "En Fyra f�r tre".
In article , "Christina in GA" wrote:
Yes, they sound very similar to our spin-offs, except that "George and Mildred" went only one episode less than the original, and "Robin's Nest" actually had 10 episodes more. Of course, the seasons are far shorter in Britain so we're talking about MATH 39, GAM 38, RN 48 - while TC lasted for 174 episodes, so "friends" has only just surpassed it.
There was an Australian version Christina, which even starred John Inman as Mr.Humphries, but it didn't last very long. Probably just as well...
Tennant
"Tennant Stuart" wrote in message news:[email]...
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Ah, you beat me to it Tenant. I have seen reruns of the episodes, but it didn't have that zing that the original "Are You Being Served?" had. Being American, I never saw it when it air originally, of course, but I truly enjoyed it in syndication.
In article , "David Buehrle" wrote:
Thanks - but it's "Tennant". :)
Did you realise that AYBS was the third (though 2nd made) of a series of four sitcoms, loosely based upon the life of Jimmy Perry?
Tennant
"Tennant Stuart" wrote in message news:[email]...
Oops. My bad. I've seen it done before and I should know better. To quickly typing for my own good I suppose.
syndication.
I didn't know. All English I assume. True?
In article , "David Buehrle" wrote:
Yep. Well, British.
The first was "Dad's Army" based on the experiences of Jimmy Perry as a lad in the Home Guard, since he was too young to be a soldier. The second (though 3rd made) was "It Ain't Half Hot Mum", when he became old enough to join the army, but he was assigned to a concert party (the character of Battery Sergeant Major Williams is no exaggeration, his counterpart in real life was much more of a hard-nosed bastard). Then there was "Are You Being Served?" as the young man adjusted to civilian life in the men's department of a big London store. Finally, "Hi-de-Hi!" saw him gaining his foothold in show business at a typical English seaside holiday camp.
Altogether, they total 267 episodes, which is very good even by American standards, but truly remarkable for British sitcoms where the seasons tend to be only 6 or 7 episodes long.
Tennant
Red Foxx, wasn't it?
Greg
"Mary (RMR)" wrote in message news:Ypvg8.10118$[email]...
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I feel so old!
I loved Sanford & Son. Who was that lady again? Aunt Esther? Something like that. And he would always have a fake heart attack and say "this is the big one."
"Mary (RMR)" wrote in message news:Ypvg8.10118$[email]...
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Let me get this straight. You're a television watcher and you honestly asked THAT???
"Daniel Jablonski" wrote in message news:a5ttpl$89k$[email]...
"Lenny Brockman" wrote in message news:UFDg8.139029$[email]...
Hey, I am a TV watcher too and I had never heard of Sanford until 814. I had to come on here to find out who he was. There is nothing wrong with that.
On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, Amy and Dave stated this considered view. Waking from my doze, I hastily scrawled -
As a non-American fan, I find quite a few US cultural references that I don't get.
"Paul Hyett" wrote in message news:[email]...
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No worries. I'm an 'American' fan and sometimes I struggle too...I find that I usually NEVER start watching the shows till AFTER they are big hits and usually then not even till they hit re-run status!
Examples, I never watched "Seinfeld" till it went off the air. Then I started watching it. I never really watched "Friends" (I can hear the collective gasp as I type this) till maybe last year. There are a lot of other shows I've caught up with, but for some reason, I am always a day late and a dollar short! :)
So my point is, no matter where you are, there's always SOMETHING to throw you for a loop.
:) mary
On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, Mary (RMR) stated this considered view. Waking from my doze, I hastily scrawled -
In that case, won't syndication cuts mean you'll miss out on quite a bit?
"Paul Hyett" wrote in message news:[email]...
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Probably...but I what I don't know doesn't hurt me... :) at least in sitcom world...
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I seem to recall Sanford and Son was derived from a British show called Steptoe and Son (I think).
Scott
S�ledes skrev Paul Hyett i alt.tv.friends Mon, 4 Mar 2002 09:17:02 +0000:
While we're at the more obscure references, Ross says, in the pilot, after Joeys "Grab a spoon"-speach:
Grab a spoon. Do you know how long it's been since I've grabbed a spoon? Do the words 'Billy, don't be a hero' mean anything to you?
Now, as far as I can see, 'Billy, don't be a hero' was a disco hit by Bo Donaldson and the Heywoods from 1974
As Ross had to be (some age, where grabbing spoons have another meaning) in 1974, I really don't get it.
Is it a allusion to "really long time ago" or does that reference have another meaning?
Knud
On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Knud Winckelmann stated this considered view. Waking from my doze, I hastily scrawled -
I got that one, but that's probably because I am in my mid-30's.
btw, silly nit-picking, I know, but Billy, Don't Be a Hero wasn't disco. It was merely a pop tune.
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It actually pre-dates the disco era by a smigeon.
U�ytkownik "Lenny Brockman" napisa� w wiadomo�ci news:UFDg8.139029$[email]...
Here in Poland we are not able to watch every American film ever made, so do not be astonished because of some of questions.
And thanks everybody for help.
Daniel