If you did not catch episode 802, Ross is the father.
Ross is the father of the baby
Oct 5, 2001, 2:47 PM ET131 posts by 31 postersalt.tv.friends
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"Babe Lust Luster" a �crit dans le message news: xfnv7.4415$[email]...
I was jumping of joy when i saw it =)
Again... please use headers for big stuff... European countries are behind....
And Latin America.
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On Sat, 6 Oct 2001 08:31:29 +1200, "Dave & Sue" wrote:
Who cares? This an american show! Once its been shown all americans have seen it. Who cares about the other people...they didn't make the show for them.
On Sun, 07 Oct 2001 04:23:03 GMT, [email] wrote:
Which is why they came over to London and filmed an episode here, especially to acknowledge the fanbase here.
On Sun, 07 Oct 2001 11:56:44 +0100, Tina wrote:
Or maybe they wanted to changed the scenery...lots of shows do that. But when it gets down to it the creaters don't give a damn about overseas...they consintrate on the USA!
I would just like to personally thank you for adding to the generalization that all AOL'ers are idiots.
Larissa (who'd switch ISP's in a second if she hadn't had the same e-mail address for 5 years :)
On 08 Oct 2001 08:54:36 GMT, [email] (Larissa) wrote:
Who says I'm an AOLer. This is my spam account...only an idiot would use there real email address in a newsgroup. By the way AOL's arn't idiots there preschoolers that don't want to grow up.
Okay, well I checked, and there actually *is* a guy with the e-mail address [email], and since you're using his name, I bet he's getting a lot of spam...
Larissa
dress in a newsgroup.
Yes, that is me! That is my spam account. When I am online I use that email address. I delete the mail everyonce and a while.
*cough*troll alert*cough*
whats w/ the word "troll" here in the ng? Is that some UK term used all the time??
Sofya
"Sofya" wrote in message news:...
TROLL is just part of the terminology used in online forums.
Troll – Someone who makes posts of an inflammatory nature to get people riled up. A troll typically does not reply, they just breeze by, ruffling as many feathers as possible. They’re purpose is not to engage in a constructive discussion but to irritate as many people as possible. If they do reply it is usually to further irritate the situation. Ignore trolls, don’t respond, that’s exactly what they want you to do.
quoted from: http://www.cyberscripture.com/mboard.htm
Hope that helps! -Priya
"Babe Lust Luster" wrote in message news:xfnv7.4415$[email]...
Umm. . . pardon me asking, but where's the "spoiler space"?
There is none. All Americans watching Friends have already known. For non-Americans, who cares? This is not alt.tv.friends.uk or alt.tv.friends.xyz. You are welcome to join the American friends discussion group, but it is your choice that you might read spoilers here. After westcoast broadcasting, there is no need to put spoiler space. Even those who taped and read ng first should not complain.
Krystal Booker wrote in message news:9plgpr$62$[email]...
Uh... where does it say "American" discussion
Come on, it's common knowledge/courtesy to use headers for big stuff
I still think spoiler space should be used. It is a courtesy. True it doesn't say alt.tv.friends.uk, but at the same time it doesn't say alt.tv.friends.us. I think us Americans should care. We cannot be so arrogant all the time. Just because we think we are the biggest and baddest country doesn't mean we cannot be polite. Plus I enjoy the viewpoints of viewers overseas.
I apologize on behalf of most Americans for this guys comment. It was rude.
-Robert
"Babe Lust Luster" wrote in message news:I6tv7.5085$[email]...
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On Sat, 06 Oct 2001 06:09:35 GMT, "Robert" wrote:
No it wasn't it was dead on accurate. Stop oppressing us! Once the eps has been aired there should be no spoilers! Why should we care? Why should be stifled for the minority that don't live in america.
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Blink. Blink. I've been trying to explain why some folks don't understand our spoiler policy, and yet this statement makes me want to jump out the window.
"The minority that don't live in America." "The minority that don't live in America."
I wanna cry.
For what it's worth, even within the confines of this newsgroup, I suspect there may be nearly as many people from Great Britain as from the US.
This is a USA newsgroup! If the Brit's want to get on here they have to understand that there will be spoilers. There's a newsgroup for them...I don't post in there becuase I'm not from there...why should I have to adapt the few rebels who come to this news group.
Rebels?! Why are they rebels for not wanting to get spoilers without warning?
I am an American and I don't think it's too much of a bother not to post spoilers in the subject header or put a few blank lines at the beginning of a spoiler post. It takes, what, about 10 extra seconds to do both?!
Get over yourself! People see self-absorbed, inconsiderate people such as yourself and start believing the "ugly American" propaganda.
Donna My opinions might have changed, but not the fact that I am right.
On 08 Oct 2001 23:48:13 GMT, [email] (JLplsSS) wrote:
The question is why? Not that it's hard to put spoilers but the queston is why should we bother. This is OUR group! Not the brits or the french, or even the japs...its the USA group! I don't go to there newsgroup and ask them to write in english why should we have to conform to them?
Um, actually, this *isn't* the USA group. The USA group is "alt.tv.friends.northamerica". This is the international group, meaning people from all countries come here to post, so spoiler space is pretty common. If you don't want to use any spoiler space at all for episodes that have aired in the USA, I can guarantee that the USA group wouldn't have a problem with that.
Larissa
I checked out the alt.tv.friends.northamerica site and it has very little activity.
So why don't all of the "Americans" who don't want to respect the rest of this group start using the other newsgroup and leave this one for people who can respect one another?
Donna My opinions might have changed, but not the fact that I am right.
[email] wrote:
I am new to this news group and I am just absolutely shocked at this entire conversation. This is a pubic News group and A spoiler space is just a nice thing to do. Not only for the countries that are behind but for people who may nat have gotten to watch the tape they may have recorded because they weren't able to watch it. Anyways, this whole conversation just plays to stereotypes that Others have of Americans. Please on behalf of anyone who was offend by this as I was can this conversation just be over. Just inched a spoiler space as a common curtsy.
Kahleen Ross cut and pasted the following to look like it was MY opinion that this is a USA newsgroup. This was not me. I've been saying the same things as KR says. Please be careful to quote correctly in the future....
Donna My opinions might have changed, but not the fact that I am right.
Thanks my whole point! They have a newsgroup for friends in the UK but they UK people bitch that we don't use spoilers in US newsgroup. Why do the UK people come to this news group anyway? My point it that we each have a newsgroup and there both well populated. Seperate but Equal.
Now there's an interesting quote to pop up in this context...
But, as has been pointed out before, there is a newsgroup for people like you: alt.tv.friends.northamerica.
Tilman
"If Persia was a three-sided square like America, we could easily survey it." Professor Johann Georg August Galletti (1750-1828)
No alt.tv.friends.northamerica from my ISP server. When a series originates from US, it carries no such suffix. If a series originates from UK, that ng will belong to UK by default. No suffix is necessary. If it is imported to US and the second ng is formed, it will carry alt.tv.some-series-name.us alright.
The situation here is just like that you invite guests to your house. They begin to criticize first, then take your belongings, eventually want to take over your house.
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Funny, my server has alt.tv.friends, alt.tv.friends.northamerica and a couple of others (one for fan fiction, and one titled alt.tv.friends.puke.puke.puke), but no alt.tv.friends.uk.
Tilman
"If Persia was a three-sided square like America, we could easily survey it." Professor Johann Georg August Galletti (1750-1828)
mine doesn't have alt.tv.friends.northamerica. If you want a specific newsgroup you can request it by emailing or calling your ISP. It might not help though. And if you are wondering, my ISP is roadrunner in Houston, TX.
-Robert
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Nicely said. :)
"Babe Lust Luster" wrote in message news:zRZw7.5240$[email]...
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OMG... SOOOO... the internet belongs to the US????
On Thu, 11 Oct 2001 21:12:37 +1300, "Dave & Sue" wrote:
No but this newsgroup does....and one day the US will own the internet
The home analogy is ok, but there is one flaw. This isn't anyone's home. No one lives here, no one paid for it, no one owns it. The book club analogy is much much closer.
And How can the US OWN the internet? That is impossible. Own the wires and hardware? -Not going to happen. Own the content and traffic? -Definitely not going to happen
You cannot own something that isn't available to take.
-Robert
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Come on I was kidding about that...didn't you see the :)
I'm sure Bill Gates is looking in to it. :)
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Uhh.... this newsgroup does? It doesn't say that anywhere.... or am I missing the USA off the end... alt.tv.friends.usa???
I didn't think you would need to add it. Friends is a US show...the other countrys may get to see it but its a US show. There not paid all that money because a bunch of french people like the show! No, there paid that money because its popluar in the US.
Adding USA is silly because its implyed that its a US newsgroup.
In article , "Babe Lust Luster" writes:
That moniker of yours plus your sparkling personality must make for a real winning combination just about everywhere you go, huh?
Excuse me? I have a different idea then you and the only argument you can make is that we are babys?
My point is very simple. This is a US show and this newsgroup wouldn't exist without the US making the show so we shouldn't have to us spoilers.
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I will try to interpret in a way that does not involve destructive name-calling. There is a large group of people from the UK using this board. Your comments suggest that you don't really care how they feel. There is also the perception that using Spoiler Space isn't really very difficult, but the act of rejecting Spoiler Space really does damage the viewing experience for a large subgroup of the population of this board. Your position seems kind of self-centered; since the US makes the show, only the perception of US people matters. My position on this is that, while most other TV newsgroups do indeed discuss shows without spoiler space, it is the unusual makeup of this particular board's regular readership that makes an exception to regular rules helpful. It is the size of the UK contingent, and the remarkable, eloquent and entertaining contribution they have consistently made to our conversations, (Tennant won the Best Poster award last year) that makes me think we owe it to them to give them this level of consideration. They have really earned it over the years. If it were just one quiet guy from Suffolk, well, we would probably behave as they do over at alt.tv.frasier. Consider that perhaps we aren't so much handing them a gift of spoiler space as allowing them what they deserve. This newsgroup would be MUCH poorer without them.
On Fri, 12 Oct 2001 15:42:21 GMT, "abrahammy"
I'm sorry, wasn't I clear...I didn't mean to suggest anything. I'm flat out saying it.
You hit it on the head. The neison ratings don't show other countrys because we don't care how its doing in other countrys.
Well lets fix that. Anyone not from the US please don't come in here any more. Use your UK.Friends board. Seperate but Equal.
Wow one guy. Is it my fault that UKers like Tennant are so mad they have nothing to watch on the telly they have to resort to american shows? I love anime but you don't see me asking for spoilers becuase that would be rude. Its there TV shows over there and its our TV shows over here.
How do they act over there?
And sit in the back of the bus, damn Limeys! ;-)
Okay, since there is a newsgroup alt.tv.friends.uk and a newsgroup alt.tv.friends.northamerica, it seems clear to me that this is a newsgroup for people like me who are neither fromt he UK nor North America. And I demand my spoilers! :^)
Tilman
"If Persia was a three-sided square like America, we could easily survey it." Professor Johann Georg August Galletti (1750-1828)
On 12 Oct 2001 23:08:53 GMT, [email] (Menshevik) wrote:
Why? Friends is a US show! Why should there be a friends.northamerica? How many people are in that newsgroup anyway? NONE! Because it is so insulting that the UK bastards <j/k>, actually are trying to take over a US newsgroup.
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Forget it. You are a troll. Tennant and I agree on little, but I'd much rather argue with him any day. You are killfiled. I suspect this will become a happier place when others do the same.
Bye.
On Sat, 13 Oct 2001 23:25:01 GMT, "abrahammy" wrote:
Go ahead...I don't need a debate from a close minded person. If anything your worse then a troll.
In article , [email] writes:
See, now, *this* is precisely what prompted my question in another post: WHY don't you care? This is what boggles my mind. This is what is getting you all this static. On the other hand, you apparently seem to care just enough to do it when asked, right? But you are bound and determined to do it with a chip on your shoulder, is that it? This is what I don't get.
It's not about how it's doing in other countries. The neison ratings, nor the Nielson ratings for that matter, don't have diddly-squat to do with what we are talking about here. It's the makeup of this newsgroup, which - I hesitate to bring up again - was like this long before you got here.
You can ask all you want, it ain't gonna happen. But you are welcome to try.
You may be jumping to the wrong conclusion about UK television. I've never sampled it myself. However, whether you like it or not, you and I live in a country that exports its culture more vigorously than any other country in the world, I would think. What is rude is to be a part of that and then get all stuck-up when they want to take part in "our" discussion groups about "our" shows. --- James Squire - http://members.aol.com/jamess1889
Whoa, i didn't know that they give out awards in newsgroups! Or was that a joke?
Sofya
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In article , "Sofya" writes:
First of all, that was abrahammy that said that, not me, and not mcwrapper.
No, it is no joke. I don't know if we've done recently, but a few years ago, it was an annual occurrence. We even used to post the script for the awards ceremony in the newsgroup. I was nominated a couple of times, myself.
I am not lying.
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I think enough of those who instigated it, and of those who have supported the various ceremonies over the years, are still around for it to make sense to continue in 2002 and beyond. Some of the award winners will stay in my memory for a long time.
Jac
In article , "Jacqui" writes:
Actually, I unsubbed this group for a couple of years recently, so I missed some of them, but I now remember that you were in on the original ones. I was thinking mainly of Tina who I don't think I've seen around these parts lately. And there were others, including one dearly departed ... <sniff>
"Sofya" wrote in message news:...
Yeah, there were four threads about the alt.tv.friends awards in January this year, where these awards were handed out to several posters on the group:
Best Friends Poster The Funniest Poster Most Missed Poster The Friendliest Poster Best Overall Poster Weirdest Poster Most Humanitarian Poster Award Reviewers Award Near But Yet So Far (aka Unluckiest) Nominee Most Anal Award Most Likely To Be Living In A World Of Porn Most Acidic Tongue Most Obvious Newbie The Three 'I's Award Tennant Is Wrong award Most In Need Of Closure award Least Silent Voter award Oldest Relic award The Satirical award Best Supporting Poster Award
Who chooses the winners? And you nominates people?
Sofya
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oops, i meant to say And "WHO" nominates people?
Sofya
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On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 18:38:02 -0400, "Sofya" wrote:
All of us nominate people, and then the nominees are posted on the newsgroup. Afterwards, we vote for the nominees, and then the awards are handed out. I guess it sounds pretty weird, but it's actually a lot of fun.
[email] (Marita Bakken) wrote in message news:...
That sounds so much fun! Is this thing still around?
Priya
[email] (p r i y a) wrote in message news:...
I think so, yes. At least there was a big fuss about it last year. We'll probably start nominating people in November or December.
In article , [email] (Sofya) usenetted:
There are lots of awards given out on Usenet -- or certainly there used to be in the old days. One of my favorites was Kook of the Month. That was when Usenet was small enough that you "knew" quite a few of the regular posters, because they popped up in multiple newsgroups.
wg
No it's not. What about Candians who are on the same time table as the US? It's right now an international group, whether it was intended to be or not.
On 12 Oct 2001 21:18:08 GMT, [email] (Phyll) wrote:
Then the outsiders should deal with it.
WTF?!!
Why are you having a war?!
People can come and post and read the articles if they like. Does it matter where they're from? "Seperate but equal" is stupid and wrong. Go read a history book or something. And besides, how hard is it to go
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In article , [email] writes:
I *know* what your point is. What I want to know is how come you aren't embarrassed about making your point at the expense of lifting your little finger to think of other people's interests besides your own, not to mention how *easy* it is to do?
On 16 Oct 2001 07:20:13 GMT, [email] (JamesS1889) wrote:
Lets get something straight...I use spoilers. I just don't agree with it.
In article , [email] writes:
That is an insult of an newsgroup. Why should WE branch off. You UKer's should. You should be kissing our butts for having a country that lets us make such a quality show...have you seen the UK shows? Enough said.
Firstly, I thought you were serious... But after reading this message and few other you have posted today (lots o' free time hey?) now I know you have to be sayin' this stuff to get a reaction.
And people like you come from any country, trust me.
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"Jacqueline Rochelle" wrote in message news:Vn7x7.11311$[email]...
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I think that's a pretty fair bet. The unfortunate thing is that he and his ilk probably WILL continue to post the newest developments in subject headings. There may not be much real news for the next few weeks, but wait for November sweeps...
On Thu, 11 Oct 2001 02:48:54 GMT, "abrahammy" wrote:
I promise I will not. I will use ROT13. i still belive it is wrong though.
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Fair enough. Thank you for making that promise.
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Thank you :)
On Thu, 11 Oct 2001 02:22:45 GMT, "Jacqueline Rochelle" wrote:
1st- I'm on standby on majestic. If anyone knows that game you know why I have time to read the newsgroups.
2nd- I firmly believe in what I am saying. I do agree with spoiler space in generic newsgroups. This isn't one of them. This a very specific newsgroups.
3rd- This is the first newsgroup that I have found that wouldn't just unfairly label me a troll just because I have a different view then others. I really like that.
Thank you for your time
:)
Just in case there are any non-US folks who haven't yet killfiled this thread or this person, I just want to apologize for the "attitude" expressed below. I would change the subject of this thread except that I think the cat's well out of the bag by now. I am embarrassed to see such immature, childish, insulting remarks coming from a fellow countryman.
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2001 03:06:59 GMT, [email] wrote:
Oh wake up. This isn't YOUR news group. Does it say alt.tv.friends.us.only. Its a general group. You are the one that has to go to alt.tv.friends.northamerica if you don't want to put any spoiler space
Priya
On Tue, 9 Oct 2001, Kahleen Ross stated this considered view. Waking from my doze, I hastily scrawled -
Nice typo! :)
In article , [email] writes:
On 10 Oct 2001 15:40:44 GMT, [email] (JamesS1889) wrote:
26 Years old..how about you.
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On Thu, 11 Oct 2001 07:35:10 GMT, "Markus G. Kloetzer" wrote:
Actually, no. Alt = anything that does not fall into one of the Big 8 newsgroup categories (rec., soc. etc.). And unfortunately for you, *none* of these are US-specific.
Tina wrote/schrieb:
"!=" is "not"
and yes I agree the big8 are also not US-specific. On my servers there is no usa.* but many of the states got their own TLH's
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In article , [email] writes:
I agree but WILL YOU ALL STOP TALKING ABOUT AMERICAN EGO AND THIS IS MINE THIS IS YOURS NEWSGROUP, LETS STICK TO THE SUBJECT....or maybe that was the subject....whatever
Sofya
"JamesS1889" wrote in message news:[email]...
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I think that's a lame excuse for people starting to label a whole group based on the actions of a few. Let that be your judgement of poster X, not 260 million people. I've seen jerks on the internet from all over the world.
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Curious. This is the way this newsgroup has run for several years. Why, all of a sudden, is this such a big issue?
Please give me your numbers that show Americans are the majority of the viewers of this show. As I see it, this program is showed across half the world. Yes, America is a populous country, and yes the last episode had 31 million viewers (not typical - anyone confirm that?) but I would imagine on a typical viewing day that you total the other countries, and you would get just as many as Americans, right?
But yes, once the episode has aired in America and Canada, there should be no spoilers for Americans or Canadians. However, I would be very disappointed if I wanted to discuss something and found only Americans here because everyone else is keeping away to avoid ruining their surprise.
I enjoy the contributions of the Europeans of the group and of course my fellow antipodeans! It is why I enjoy this group so much!
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Does it count that this show actually originates in the USA? The company that produces it is from the US, the original Network it aired on is from the US. Fair or not, other countries picked up Friends after it became a hit. I don't know the history of the group, but I'm willing to bet it was created before the show was shown in other parts of the world, which is why no .us is after it. That's where the problem comes in. Then again I could be wrong, this is just my guess. Anyway, it's now obviously an international group, but was it started off that way?
On Sun, 7 Oct 2001, [email] stated this considered view. Waking from my doze, I hastily scrawled -
Minority?
There are what? About 30m US Friends fans? There are far more than that elsewhere!
What the hell is going on? Why are there so many post with people bashing non-Americans? and where does the "minority that don't live in America." come from?!
If you are counting population, you are wrong...If you are taking about viewers, I am not sure here, but I figure that there are at least equal numbers....If you are talking about in this newsgroup, then you are probably wrong....in fact I find the people from the UK more interesting to talk to than some of the people in the US. Probably because of their attitude. I am not trying to bash the Americans in this newsgroup, I am one, but some of you have to get your head out of our ass and wake up. Yes the show is made in America, but I wouldn't say for Americans...it was probably made for money.
-Robert
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Well... some people say Americans are arrogant and think anything outside of the US doesn't count... I'd NEVER experienced that until now... and am rather surprised... oh well
Well... some people say Americans are arrogant and think anything outside of the US doesn't count... I'd NEVER experienced that until now... and am rather surprised... oh well
"Dave & Sue" wrote in message news:9pqc2m$aac$[email]...
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The generalization is, like other generalizations, not a definitive truth. There are some Americans who are arrogant and think that anything outside of the US doesn't count.
On Mon, 8 Oct 2001 08:59:48 +1300, "Dave & Sue" wrote:
We Americans tend to be a bit provincial. The Internet, however, has allowed for an unprecedented level of interaction between Americans and Europeans. Fortunately, most Americans are nice folks and understand that Europeans have as much right to be on the 'Net as we do. Unfortunately, we also have our share of jerks, the kind who really shouldn't leave their houses (or use their computers) without adult supervision. If you think it's bad running into these jerks on the Internet, just imagine what it's like for those of us who have to live in the same country with them. :)
Chris
well put =)
-Robert
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If you are counting population, there are 8 billions Chinese watching Friends. Too bad they don't speak English.
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Wow! Last I heard, there were 6 billion people in the entire world. But now there are 8 billion in China? Maybe you should write the US Census Bureau and let them know this new information.
Larissa
In article , [email] writes:
No, it was rude. "Oppressing us"? Just because you are asked to do such a simple thing like put in spoiler space? Is your wrist going to fall off if you hit the return key more than once in a row or something?
The "minority" issue has already been addressed in other posts, so I'll skip that, but we're *oppressing* you? If you want to see oppression, go live as a woman in Afghanistan. Nobody is forcing you to use spoiler space, but they'll probably like you a lot more if you do. A similar situation would be if you were reading a really good book out in public somewhere, and you were about 3/4 of the way through your book, and suddenly a person walks by, sees what you're reading, and shouts out the book's surprise ending at you. You'd probably be a little pissed off, wouldn't you? But the person might try to justify it by saying that hey, why should he care? The book's been out for a while, and he's already read it.
If he had declined to shout out the ending to you, that would be something that we like to call "courtesy". It basically means taking other people into consideration, and it's something that a lot of us don't mind doing.
Larissa
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Well, the analogy might be closer if you had joined a book discussion club, in which the book you were reading was the sole topic, and half the people in the club had already finished reading it.
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Yeah, that's true. I was tired because it was almost 2AM when I wrote the post though, and that's the best I could think of at the time. :)
Larissa
And to take it one step further, you go to a book club meeting and you're the only one who hasn't read it and you forbid the rest of the group from discussing the ending because YOU haven't finished it yet. Basically, you should have stayed at home until you finished the book so the rest of the group could enjoy discussing it.
On 09 Oct 2001 21:48:46 GMT, [email] (Bosssssss) wrote:
Very well said.
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Or, to go FURTHER, you go to the book club meeting and only about half of the people have finished reading it, so the group has a whole makes a consensus that they will only discuss up to chapter seven. Those who have finished will break up into a smaller group later. Then one new guy who doesn't want to wait half an hour to break into a smaller group blurts out the ending and tells half the assemblage they aren't welcome and should go home.
He is, of course, *deeply* loved by all.
Love the analogy.
-Robert
"abrahammy" wrote in message news:OtRw7.4393$[email]...
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A similar situation would be if you
Well thats not fair....this isn't a public place. This is in a sence a private place...this would be more like going to club meeting. Now there maybe vistors (Anyone not in the USA), there but they come of there own free will...knowing that someone might spoil something for them. Everyone else isn't going to stop talking about it because 2 people in the group hasn't read the book. That would be silly...and so are spoilers.
Spoilers make sence when the topic is VAST! Like current movies...but not when the topic is nailed down and is make for the US watchs of the show.
As I have said before, I really don't think it comes from arrogance. A casual fan has no idea how many countries get Friends, perhaps some people never thought about it. Maybe it's time someone post a newsgroup FAQ so some people will actually know the rules. You can't get angry with someone if they didn't realize what they did was wrong in the first place. Also, people can get quite nasty when someone does make an accident. Just like you say Americans shouldn't be arrogant, everyone shouldn't be so nasty when accidents happen.
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On Sat, 06 Oct 2001 01:28:08 GMT, "Babe Lust Luster" wrote:
You're right, it's not uk.media.tv.friends , but it's not alt.tv.friends.us either. Friends is an international phenomenon and should be treated as such. By putting such an enormous spoiler in the heading, you ruined the fun for lots of fans on this ng who were just as anxious to watch the episode as you were. The surprise was a key factor, and I doubt that they'll be able to enjoy the episode as much as the people in the USA now that they've read your spoiler. Besides, I think you should consider the fact that Friends is a much bigger phenomenon in other countries than in the USA. In Europe, for example, you'll find several sections of Friends videos and DVDs at the store, while here in the USA you might be able to find the first two volumes of The Best of Friends if you're lucky.
Its a bigger phenomenon in Europe and non-US countries mainly because it gives foreigners a glimpse into American life which they like i'm guessing. But for Americans its like looking into a mirror. Well, maybe not "American" per se but New Yorkian (hehe). I'm a New Yorker and I love this show.
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So basically you're saying only the U.S. matters and the rest of the world can go to hell.
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No...there saying its a TV show!! Not exactly that important to bother putting spoilers for everyone in the world...but if you really want one.
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Something comical will happen on friends next week...
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If you are new here, you need to know that the policy of using spoiler space for those in other countries in this newsgroup has been established for at least 5 years now, which makes it a defacto standard. Furthermore, spoiler space is *easy* to put in, and therefore is considered good common courtesy. Please try to play along. --- James Squire - http://members.aol.com/jamess1889
"Babe Lust Luster" wrote in message news:...
The people who wrote the first message on this thread are in for a landslide of flaming. You never -- NEVER -- include spoiler info in a message header. That's the Internet equivalent of walking down a street, approaching a complete stranger, and punching him in the face.
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I think I'm seeing some rebellion here. I strongly suspect this thread was added for the specific purpose of spoiling people, because several newcomers disagree with our unusual spoiler policy.
It IS an unusual spoiler policy. Most newsgroups for American-based shows consider an episode to be fair game once it has aired to the public. Alt.tv.frasier certainly works that way. One might even argue that in making aired episodes spoilers for several months, you dilute the concept of the spoiler for episodes which have not aired at all, but for which details have been released. I don't know if the folks around here realize that treating aired shows as spoiler material is a little different from what most newsgroups do. On the other hand, we seem to have a much larger international constituency than many other shows do. That would appear to be the reason for changing the rule.
I don't see any reason why we shouldn't continue to try to protect our large European constituency, but in educating new posters we probably need to understand that we are asking them to go to a little more trouble than they usually do, and acknowledge that this is different from what is done elsewhere. Explaining why - POLITELY- is a good idea. And for those of you who resent the idea that we put spoiler space for new episodes, just understand that nearly half of the people here are British. It's a special mix, requiring special consideration.
Peace, love, out.
Understood, but I believe that everyone would agree that good Usenet etiquette is to watch the newsgroup for a little while before posting and then post similarly to everyone else. This allows continuity and for posting rules to be observed. If the newcomers do not like the rules they can go somewhere else. I agree to an extent that aired shows are no longer spoilers, but I was not the first one here nor am I going to complain about them. By putting spoiler space you are respecting other users and at the cost of what?...having to scroll a little? Think if the rolls were reversed and the show aired over there months before we could see it. I bet some of the posters that started this would not be happy.
This goes back to a great quote "When in Rome do as the Romans do". Since the newcomers are just that...newcomers, they should yield to the rules set by the existing users.
Be Courteous.
-Robert
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Just one point :- if everybody who counts already knows the spoiler information, why did the post have to be made? It did not offer an opinion or any other value other than the spoiler itself. This is the reason why the post was truly inconsiderate, because any considerate person would have realised that the only people who could possibly get anything out of the post are those who had not gotten the opportunity to see the show yet.
Are you guys paying attention??
The guy/gal that wrote that post....wrote it because some people posted that they missed the episode and they wanted to know who was the father. (he wrote, for those who missed 802....)
Just saying that i don't think it was on purpose.
But i do agree that it was very inconsiderate to non-Americans.
Sofya
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Yes but from what I gather, Frasier isn't as big as Friends is in UK. Friends has a wider audience worldwide. You have people from all over the globe on this board. Place where people haven't seen season 7 at all. So the 'special' spoiler policy is justified.
Priya
PS: I'm using a new newsreader. I did hit reply. Sorry if this comes out as a separate post.
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Please read my entire post before you argue with it. I agreed that it was, and stated why. I am just trying, apparently futilely, to make people from BOTH sides consider the perspective of the other and create a more civil atmosphere (which will engender a desire for cooperation, and the urge to ruin shows on purpose will decrease. I hope. It's a theory.)
On Sun, 07 Oct 2001 02:59:16 GMT, "abrahammy" wrote:
I did read your post fully before I replied. I wasn't arguing against you. Infact, I totally agree with you.
You were comparing Friends with Frasier (NG rules), while that comparison is fine within the US but I've read some ppl from UK (Tennant, if remember correctly) mention that Frasier isn't as big as Friends in UK. So what applies to the Frasier NG doesn't necessarily apply here. Still not arguing with ya :) Just explaining. Thanks for sticking up for us who don't get to see the show along with you folks in US :)
Priya
On Sun, 07 Oct 2001 19:57:14 GMT, [email] (Priya) wrote:
ADSL rules! And yes, I am trying to persuade my dad of that fact as we speak! *lol* (He wants NTL, but we don't know whether we can get the cable here yet. BT is to be banished into outer space for all eternity as far as my family is concerned. :))
Look, I do not support the attacks, but this is exactly why it is happening
Words from Sue: "Well... some people say Americans are arrogant and think anything outside of the US doesn't count... I'd NEVER experienced that until now... and am rather surprised... oh well"
"boy" wrote in message news:3bc0fbe5$[email]...
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It is the world's misfortune that what you said above is a wise statement.
Let me make myself clear:
The statement of this Bin Laden guy about the terror in the US shows everyone that the US people (I would try not to generalise, but now I can't) are very self centered. His words are: "The US denied help to other countries"
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On Mon, 8 Oct 2001 13:20:15 -0300, "boy" wrote:
I have no issue with Bin Laden and the Taliban being taken out. That I wholeheartedly agree with. What I *don't* agree with is the US and (unfortunately) UK's tactics - they claim to be there for the innocent Afghans (most of whom would get out of the country in a heartbeat if they could), even drop food for them, but they appear to be directly contradicting themselves by aiming a significant amount of their forces in places which appear to have high civillian populations. There is one hell of a lot of "practise what you preach" rhetoric going on here, and I cannot believe what I am about to say but I actually agreed with Saddam Hussein (I guarantee it's a once-in a lifetime event) when he said "The US should use wisdom and not force". The Taliban wanted proof before they handed Bin Laden over - but of course "the evidence is confidential", which basically amounts to Nato and all that lot saying "We're above the law, hand him over because we say so". As much as I abhor the Taliban, if the US had just shown them the evidence they wanted in the first place we wouldn't be where we are now. And the pathetic thing is that all the strikes are going to do is reaffirm the opinion in the Afghans who don't dare to think any different because of the Taliban that the US is a dictatorial state that deserved what it got. Which more than likely means more strikes. Whoopie.
And on a questioning note, how did we get here from a spoiler about a rinky-dink TV show?
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Because of "some" americans saying the rest of the "friends watching world" can go get stuffed cause they're not important enough to use spoiler headers for... so someone said that those kinds of attitudes were one of the reasons for the attacks on the US...
Well, it's an example of what really happens.
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This thread really is getting ridiculous..to compare a tiny argument on a newsgroup to some psychotic action by self serving fantics is absolutely ridiculous.
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If this is the case, your source of information differs from mine. We have been told that the US air force concentrated on taking out the Afgani air defense. They were military targets. The Taliban say we hit civilians, but the Taliban can't seem to decide whether or not they know where Bin Laden is, either, so I don't trust them just on their say-so. Did British news confirm our hitting civilians?
OK. What action do you suggest we take? What exactly does this mean?
Once again, if my information is inaccurate, please bring me up to date. I have been told that US presented their evidence to the President of Pakistan - and he agreed that we had proof. We presented the evidence to "NATO and all that lot" and THEY agreed that we had proof. So did the United Nations. Among the proof given - a confession by one of Bin Laden's lieutenants. After we attacked Afganistan yesterday, Bin Laden made a statement in which he pretty much admitted he was involved in the WTC attack. I think it's pretty clear he did it.
As much as I abhor the Taliban, if the US had just shown
Tina, I think we may have a legitimate debate as to whether or not these strikes were the right way to go, but I do not think, for a minute, that there's any chance at all the Taliban would ever have accepted any evidence we presented. If we had a taped confession by the man himself they would have accused us of either trickery or coersion. There's a very, very deep and profound sense of Muslim community which is strongly at play here, one which we have ignored at our peril for years. They think they are banding together in the name of God against the Infidel. The depth of their conviction, even misguided, must not be ignored.
And the pathetic thing is that all the strikes are going
This is true.
Which more than likely means more
More strikes there, more terrorism here, and, I am deeply sorry to say, in the UK, too. I am a much sadder and more worried person today than I was a month ago.
We got there from here because the focus became American ethnocentricism.
On Tue, 09 Oct 2001 14:41:54 GMT, "abrahammy" wrote:
The news has presented views from people - I think a major figure in the British Muslim community was one of them - which basically said that they were very concerned about the fact that their information pointed to areas with potentially high civillian populations being targeted, yes. This came from the British Muslim council just now, as it happens: "These day and night strikes -- which are already leading to innocent civilian deaths amongst the long-suffering Afghan population -- will not achieve this purpose [of justice]." And the fact that four UN workers have been killed by a "stray" missile isn't going to help that one little bit.
Well, for starters, I'm unsure as to whether there would be quite as much vigilance being taken to avoid civillian targets if it hadn't been brought to the countries' respective Governments basically by the Muslim communities and those members of the public who were looking beyond the TV media for answers.
Yes, I agree there, but did they ever actually show the Taliban that proof? I have no doubt that they would never for a second actually conceed if presented with undeniable proof, but as far as I'm aware, they never actually presented any information anyway. There are people here - trust me, I've seen them protesting in front of high-profile buildings in Cambridge today, and there's a march in London being organised for Saturday - who consider the coalition to be acting almost in the manner they are supposed to be condemning, because they basically never directly showed the Taliban the proof they wanted to see. If we had ever actually shown that proof and they *still* didn't hand him over - *then* I'd be more for it, so long as it was made absolutely certain that civillians were going to be kept well out of it. As it is, because I've not actually heard *anything* to say that we even actually attempted to show the Taliban the proof they demanded, I can't help thinking that we didn't exactly do all we could to avoid the strikes.
But then again, I just started at uni - I'm getting political mayhem thrown at me from all directions, what do I know. ;) (I have no doubt that when I go in tomorrow, there will be people with petitions and advertising Saturday's march *everywhere*.)
Oh, I agree there. Did you hear about the possible Taliban defectors, though? I think (hope) that to an extent, that means people who until now have gone along with the Taliban have realised that the fundamentalism practised is not what Islam is about. Either that or they finally plucked up the courage to leave.
And, unfortunately, probably not just restricted to the UK and US. If the current anthrax rumours I've heard - that it may have been distributed through the post - are true, then it could very easily be transported to any country that has backed the US. The threat of biological/germ warfare worries me almost more than the threat of physical retaliation, for reasons I'm not even sure of - that said, I'm supposed to be going to the film festival in London next month, and I'm not looking forward to it one bit. Even the fact that the Met Police (of which a family friend is a member) have had virtually all their leave cancelled doesn't reassure me right now.
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Yep. You were clear as a bell the first time. I said, "It is the world's misfortune that what you said is a wise statement." I was the one who was unclear. It is horribly unfortunate for a lot of people all over the world, but what you said is quite true.
It is unfortunate for the beseiged government of Pakistan. (Boy, I feel sorry for their poor President. He's stuck in the middle and it ain't his fault.) It is unfortunate for people of every nation who lost loved ones in the attacks. It is unfortunate for a lot of very oppressed people in Afganistan, whose terrible lives just got even worse.
Bin Laden has indeed pointed out one of our national sins; what he does not understand that his answer makes our mistakes look like tiddlywinks in terms of moral outrage.