Deep Impact, Potential EMP pulse.

Jul 3, 2005, 8:33 PM ET34 posts by 15 posters
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The Flavored Coffee Guy

In spite of NASA's refusal to accept that the pressures resulting from deep impact's impact on the comet being well beyond those found on the sun, they've posted no warnings.

They assume that the comet is a rubble pile. As if there isn't any potential of a comet impacting an meteorite, and producing a solid core.

When a impact pressure produces a pressure in excess of that found only on the sun, then the potential of a nuclear reaction involving non-fissle isotopes becomes possible.

Unplug your computers transient protector from the wall but, do not unplug your computer from the transient protector.

If the comet is a rubble pile, then only 4.5 tons of tnt will equal it, and there will be no EMP pulse. If not, unguessable. I've done the math, and if they hit a hard spot of sufficient mass, then the pressures will exceed those found on the sun, where raw hydrogen is in fusion and fision.

A nuclear reaction will generate an EMP pulse. But, that far away, and the antenna that would recieve the full potential of that power isn't a small box filled with components, like your computer. But, a birds nest of wire like the power grid that leads to your house from the power station.

Al SmithThe Flavored Coffee Guy

Hey, crazy conspiracy guy, you get points for originality. A nuclear reaction! Neat. Impossible, but neat. But you forgot to war people to put on tinfoil hats to protect their brains from the pulse.

Larry W. JewellAl Smith

Some poeple never take their little tinfoil hats off, so they don't need a reminder.

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John FieldsThe Flavored Coffee Guy

On 10 Jul 2005 12:52:43 -0700, "The Flavored Coffee Guy" wrote:

--- If ignorance is bliss, then you're not here, you're in nirvana.

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BobThe Flavored Coffee Guy

"The Flavored Coffee Guy" wrote in message news:[email]...

Thanks for the heads-up, Chicken Little.

Bob

In article , The

Well, the Sun has enough pressure in its core to compress 15 million degree Kelvin hydrogen to over 10 times the density of lead. Even with such pressure and such high temperature, only a few percent of the Sun's hydrogen gets turned to helium every billion years.

Somehow, I don't see that kind of temperature and pressure occurring during "Deep Impact".

Even if both the pressure and the temperature get that great during the impact on the comet, I don't see any significant amount of nuclear reaction occurring during the microsenconds that the pressure and temperature are highest.

- Don Klipstein ([email])
Don KlipsteinDon Klipstein

In art. , I, Don Klipstein wrote:

I add:

1. Consider that even if pressure and temperature get like that in the core of the Sun (and it appears to me that most proposing that either, let alone both of these can occur get suggested to wear tinfoil hats), the amount of nuclear reaction would be miniscule compared to that in a nuclear bomb. The Sun is expected to take about 10 billion years to fuse most of the hydrogen that the Sun's core will fuse, and the highest pressure of the impact will last what - a fraction of a millisecond? I don't see anything like a nuclear bomb here even if both pressure and temperature are like those in the core of the Sun.

Difference between the Sun and nuclear bombs:

Nuclear bombs with fusion reactions rely on especially fusible isotopes of hydrogen (deuterium and tritium), along with temperature and pressure never achieved by humans except by nuclear explosions.

Other reasons to not worry:

1. This is supposed to happen at a distance a bit over 220 million miles or a bit over 350 million km from Earth. This is more than twice as far away as the Sun is. I am unworried enough to be willing to leave my computer and modem on and connected even if a nuclear bomb was scheduled to be detonated directly above me at that distance.

2. If you are in the eastern or "midwest" USA or USA's "gulf coast" area, or in Europe, the comet will be below the horizon at time of impact. Radio waves that are not limited by "line of sight" do so by being reflected or waveguided by frequency-selective regions of the Earth's outer atmosphere.

- Don Klipstein ([email])

Okay, look at the flash. 4.5 tons tnt was their calculation. The flash is shown to be almost the same diameter as the comet itself. Kilotons.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/deepimpact/main/index.html

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/deepimpact/images/Deep_Impact_Images_Search_Agent_archive_2.html

"almost"? Are you Bill Clinton? The flash was no where near as large as the comet, and it's just an animation anyway, not a film. Reality show come to your house for dinner once in a while.

The Flavored Coffee Guy wrote:

Contact me: larry w jewell @ hotmail . com (remove spaces, of course)

There isn't many inventive thinkers here. If I used unstable isotopes, at that velocity, mass, and managed an impact of equal potential, would by far be able to construct a more effecient bomb. To consider the potential of avoiding collisions, and the usability of such a device in an act of war becomes impossible by design. The Earth's atmosphere is too thick, and if there were any heat shields, the bomb couldn't detonate or burn up in the atmosphere. In the otherhand, utilized for the purpose of intent, to steer an meteorite, or asteroid away from the Earth, would allow us to build bombs that were of a much higher yeild, and only usable for that purpose.

The pressures achieved on impact, are much higher than any pyrotechnic could achieve. The velocity is a result of expending a very large quanitity of pyrotechnics to achieve that velocity over time. Time and experimentation my prove that the quality of the fissle materials required are not even of weapons grade in comparison to those now utilized with pyrotechnics here on the planet for no other purpose except war. Because, the function of velocity, and pressure of impact are so much higher, than the blasts used to detonate a nuclear bomb.

John FieldsThe Flavored Coffee Guy

On 10 Jul 2005 13:01:22 -0700, "The Flavored Coffee Guy" wrote:

--- Well, just because you can't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist, does it? ---

--- If frogs had wings ---

--- and if frogs had wings ---

--- Yes, but when you consider that the harbingers of leptitude often reminisce, it becomes ever more increasingly difficult to find sources of missile faterialism. That is, with the diamond vats all cold, how could you expect to date anything _but_ carbon?

John Fields Professional Circuit Designer

On 2005-07-03 20:33:04 -0400, "The Flavored Coffee Guy" said:

Snip!

What kind of drugs are you on???

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KathyFred Garvin

Coffee dude is on bad halucinogenics.

Don K. -- your knowledge of scientific events is very impressive!!! Please, try to impress upon Coffee dude the effect of bad drugs on his brain cells....he's not getting the message. ~~~ Kathy

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John FieldsKathy

On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 13:41:56 -0700, "Kathy" wrote:

--- There are no bad hallucinogenics, there are only bad trips.

John Fields Professional Circuit Designer
John FieldsJohn Fields

On Mon, 04 Jul 2005 16:31:08 -0500, John Fields wrote:

--- Oops... There are no bad _hallucinogens_, but there may be bad hallucinogenics....

John Fields Professional Circuit Designer

On 2005-07-03 20:33:04 -0400, "The Flavored Coffee Guy" said:

SNIP!

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http://www.strangecosmos.com/content/item/12342.html

PCs, like air-conditioners, are useless when you open Windows.

The Flavored Coffee Guy wrote:

OK, if your theory is good, then you won't mind showing 'the math' you've done so your peers might prove your theory to be sound.

Personally, I think you speak via your rectal orifice, but who am I to judge?

The Caretaker .........

Refrence to finding sun's pressure at the convective zone http://www.sparknotes.com/astronomy/sun/section4.rhtml

Refrence to impact pressures http://www.science.org.au/nova/058/058key.htm

The flash from several angles http://deepimpact.jpl.nasa.gov/home/index.html

The Movie of the blast, with the excess light removed. http://www.nasa.gov/mov/121527main_MRI_impact.mov

Refrence to pressures nearly equal to those achieved by deep impact. http://flux.aps.org/meetings/YR01/DPP01/abs/S1600101.html

All of the required information needed to calculate an estimate is refered to in all of the above links as a sum of links and refrences.

Al SmithThe Flavored Coffee Guy

Weren't you predicting some sort of terrible disaster? The whole thing's over and done with. Where's the fusion explosion? Where's the EM pulse? They didn't happen, did they? All you got was a flash from the impact -- which anybody might have predicted.

Not really.

To make such calculations would also require you to do a lot of guesswork and make a few suppositions, which, seeing as the expected event you predicted didn't happen, would appear to have been flawed.

As usual with many 'UFO reports'.

The Caretaker .........
rotobo-xThe Caretaker

We're missing the larger point that NASA does not know what it is doing, at least in this case.

Agreed?

Regards, http://icold.blogspot.com
Al Smithrotobo-x

Well, no. I mean, granted, NASA has screwed up frequently in the last couple of decades, but the whole comet mission went pretty well according to plan.

John Fieldsrotobo-x

On 6 Jul 2005 12:17:12 -0700, [email] wrote:

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No.

The mission went exactly according to plan, and after six years of planning the probe was launched and deployed and performed just like it was supposed to.

Could you have done better?

No, so what're you bashing NASA about? That they didn't live up to your expectations? Which were that they'd fail so you could be the harbinger of bad news and be then prophet who said, "See, I told you so"?

Get lost, loser.

John Fields Professional Circuit Designer
Bobrotobo-x

wrote in message news:[email]...

You're a fool.

Bob

The Caretakerrotobo-x

[email] wrote:

I think it's been proved, by his own attributions, that the OP is absolutely wrong, not NASA.

Not at all.

NASA devised, deployed and managed this mission to such a degree of accuracy that the data gathered might be useful for years to come.

What have you done that can have the same epithet applied?

Stop being a fucking prophet of doom and just step back and listen to yourself. You might see why so many 'normal' people see UFOlogists and doom-mongers as mere loonies.

The Caretaker .........
Bob Myersrotobo-x

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No, all the evidence is that NASA/JPL knew precisely what they were doing in this case.

Bob M.

Bob MonsenBob Myers

Well, the point of research is to do things in a controlled way that you don't really know the outcome of beforehand. However, the idea that this hit would create a blast that could crash your computer is nonsense.

Assuming the thing actually could explode, the energy would emerge in a sphere. By the time this sphere hit us, it would have an area of 2.4x10^24 square miles. The cross section of your computer is about 3e-7 miles^2. Thus, the ratio of energy hitting your computer to the entire energy output would be 1.35e-31. Assuming an energy output of 1 million megatons, (1 megaton = 4.184e15 joules), your computer would be subjected to about 500pJ. The entire earth would catch about 14 microjoules.

Regards, Bob Monsen If a little knowledge is dangerous, where is the man who has so much as to be out of danger?
Bob MyersBob Monsen

"Bob Monsen" wrote in message news:[email]...

Yes, but I would maintain there's often a difference (and definitely in this case) between "knowing what you're doing" and knowing what the results are going to be.

Bob M.

Bob MonsenBob Myers

Agreed. They certainly have the technical ability to pull it off, and they showed that brilliantly.

Regards, Bob Monsen If a little knowledge is dangerous, where is the man who has so much as to be out of danger?

On 3 Jul 2005 17:33:04 -0700, The Flavored Coffee Guy wrote in :

"fissle"? Like your ideas, they'll fizzle, maybe.

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