In the celeb mags-not NE-are pics of Courteney and David at a baskekball double dating with Ali G and his lover. David gave Courteney a kiss for the cameras, and he had his eyes closed while Courteney had her's open. Seems to me she was indulging David for the cameras. What a gal.
An interesting observation
Feb 9, 2004, 8:39 AM ET136 posts by 25 posters
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What's your point?
On 09 Feb 2004 14:12:48 GMT, [email] (LizDC) wrote:
See the subject header.
And?
On 09 Feb 2004 14:34:25 GMT, [email] (LizDC) wrote:
That was the point. :->
"Christopher" wrote in message news:[email]...
Who the heck cares? Other than you, of course. And if only you care (which is indeed the case), why post it here?
On Mon, 9 Feb 2004 19:07:27 +0200, "May" wrote:
Courteney plays a character in Friends.
"Christopher" wrote in message news:[email]...
So? Why do you think everyone cares about the actors'/actresses'/thespians'/whatever personal life? Nobody does. At least, most normal people don't. Just because you're obsessed with her, doesn't mean you have to flood this place with private garbage about her. And if this is so important to you, why do we never see anything about Jen, or Lisa? How about Matthew, Matt, David? You know why. Because it's only Courteney (and to his misfortune, her husband David) you're obsessed with. You're going overboard with it. Get a grip.
Chris is not obsessed with David.....he's jealous of him. ~~~ Kathy
"May" wrote in message news:c08omc$8bk$[email]...
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On Mon, 9 Feb 2004 15:17:51 -0500, "Kathy" wrote:
Hmmm...yeah. Chandler to.
Has the line between reality and fantasy become blurred for you? Let me see if I can straighten you out.....David and Courteney = REAL PEOPLE; Chandler Bing = FICTIONAL PERSON (i.e. not a real person). ~~~ Kathy
"Christopher" wrote in message news:[email]...
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On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 08:52:23 -0500, "Kathy" wrote:
I know that, I ain't stoopid you know. Shessh, you Americans take things so literately.
If you don't want people to think you're "stoopid", then stop posting stupid shit. Anyone that considers the National Enquirer as a reliable news source ain't playin' with a full deck, IMO. ~~~ Kathy
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On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 12:31:17 -0500, "Kathy" wrote:
It...was...an...obserrrrvaaaaation.
Hmmm, a troll advising me not to post. Well Kathy my sweet, the NE may not be a reliable source to *you*, but thats just you. And people can make up their own opinions of me, not that I care.
least,
Maybe not everybody... But I certainly wouldn't say NOBODY I mean if NOBODY cared they wouldn't sell so many celeb Mags. There would be no reason for the Enquirer to stay in business as there are only so many 500lb women with 500lb cats & two headed babies & alien abductions to write about. So since the majority of people "wanna know" they follow the stars around, stalk them & shoot private photos of them & exploit them to their hearts content all so that we the fans can get a little inside sneak at something that is most likely none of our business to begin with & has little if anything at all to do with their careers/job in the entertainment industry.
Whew, thanks for taking it off the wrong edge. I meant no regular in this ng.
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On Mon, 9 Feb 2004 21:55:56 +0200, "May" wrote:
Gee lighten up Mom, its only an observation.
"Christopher" wrote in message news:[email]...
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Mom doesn't want to lighten up. Treat Mom with respect. ;)
On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 14:36:10 +0200, "May" wrote:
Well you American women do come across as tight arses.
I do. ;-p
I'm not American. But all you're really interested in is insulting Americans, so I'm just not gonna bother.
Rightyho.
On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 07:33:26 +0200, "May" wrote:
Cool.
On the contrary Americans are all right, but some of them are just so pedantic and childish, not to mention neurotic, and most of them have an irony bypass, and they seem to think that reality stops at America's shoreline, besides some of them need insulting to bring them back down to Earth. In general though I prefer Americans to the French.
:-)
I know the type. Trust me. I have no illusions (or for that matter, disillusions) about where I live... And I know the type of Americans you speak of, but you still seem to insult people here without noticing, or caring, and that's what's annoying. That, and the obsession, but... that's still forgivable.
On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 17:45:41 +0200, "May" wrote:
Seem to insult people here, ME, narr, I'm stright forward, as thats the Yorkshire man in me coming out-my grandfather Dad's side came from Yorkshire-if people take it the wrong way, then it's just how we are differnt in attitude and views.
I...am...not...obsessed...with...Courteney. If I was I'd have up sticks and would have moved to America/California, and would have done all the things stalkers do. She's on my birthday and christmas card list, so if thats what you call being obsessed then...
Anyway, she is the only reason I've stuck with Friends since episode 4 of series 1. And if she wasn't in Friends I wouldn't be here in this ng, as it is I'll be gone on 15 March.
Cool.
Rightyho, if you say so...
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Obsessions don't always lead up to stalking. Luckily.
being
Then I'm right? You -are- obsessed. The least you can do is admit it. All you do is talk about her. Here, at least. And don't come along with claims that "this is a Friends ng so that's what we do". Yes, it is. But we talk about the show, the characters, and sometimes the actors(/actresses/thespians), but not all the time, and not only about one of them.
Really? How come?
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 15:04:48 +0200, "May" wrote:
Emma Caulfield and Alyssa Milano are also on my birthday and christmas card list, so Courteney isn't the only one. ;)
Thats because she and her character have been the most consistent person/character of the whole show, but as Friends has progressed, she I have to admit has gone stale as the whole BORING RR story line is brought to centre stage, including the final series. Anyway, Courteneys 'private' life has proved more entertaining then her characters 'life'. FWIW I give their marriage 10 years tops.
OK, Ross is a nice geek, Rachel is a snob and Ross is to good for her, Phoebe is just weird, Monica is an adorable nutcase, Joey is an adorable dimwit who since series 8 has been getting all the best lines, and Chandler is the luckiest character on the show, as he had all the best lines up to series 8, and is now 'married' to the best looking female character.
Pipex my isp subs ends on 15 March as they need 30 days notice, and tommorow I'll be sending them the noticification, as I don't want to be paying for a service I won't be using, as I'm also selling this system hopefully asap i.e. everything after I've finished clearing out my harddisk so I can put it on sale from 2 April. Then with this PC hopefully gone by the end of April I can also clear out and hopefully sell all the furniture in my bed room for a total clear out, as my bedroom is only around 7' x 9' I can then buy a new bed and thinner chest of draws-I have a built in wardrobe I'll be clearing out as well-, and I'll then have enough room for a purposed made desk and chair-I have to sit on the edge of my bed, and at times it dies my back in for my new PC after Ive bought all the bits, which I have already short listed, thats why. ;-)
So as I said if pipex are efficent I'll be gone after 15 March, to the relief of you all. :> If everything goes OK, I hope to be back on line by early to mid Juneish.
Can I be there too? ;)
Not worth much. :P But who knows, 10 yrs is a lot for Hollywood celebs.
Okay. That really makes up for the rest of the nonsense you wrote about Courteney. And yes, you mostly write about Courteney and not Monica. I can hardly remember when you wrote about Monica.
Ahh, after the show ends. Great relief? ;)
Actually I don't despise you or think you're THAT annoying, but you have a tendency to write so much about Courteney's life that it gets a bit frightening. But all in all, you're not -too- bad. :p
May
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 16:52:30 +0200, "May" wrote:
No, you're not an attractive female thespian that I have watched on TV for several years, and like the look of very much. :-p
Yeah, the NE will have to keep an eye on them. :-)
Thats because she seems to be the same week in week out. But no more, as the final episode has been recorded and is in the 'can' as they say.
Yeah, I'll be back as big Arnie says, but they'll be no one left in atf. :(
Cool.
How disappointing.
You rave on and on about how intelligent you are, yet you insist on believing the National Enquirer. You are a walking, talking and breathing oxymoron.
On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:04:29 +0200, "May" wrote:
Last week the NE had a picture of Courteney and her bump, so as nothing in the NE is correct I guess she just had a lot of wind.
Hmmm.
She is pregnant, you dolt. But as far as the NE goes, they never "scoop" any story. They just come along weeks later and print something that's old news. ~~~ Kathy
"Christopher" wrote in message news:[email]...
On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 08:33:59 -0500, "Kathy" wrote:
Just checking, after all the NE is always wrong IYO.
"Christopher" wrote in message news:[email]...
Ten years? Is that enough time for you to be able to support her in the lifestyle to which she has become accustomed (as you so put it)?
Ross isn't too good for Rachel. Rachel deserves much better than Ross could ever dream of offering. Phoebe is SUPPOSE to be wierd. Joey is purely loveable. Chandler is remarkable, but he ISN'T married to the best looking female character. She's too skinny and her hair is ugly.
Did we really NEED to know all that?
Thanks for the warning. ~~~ Kathy
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 10:05:57 -0500, "Kathy" wrote:
Who knows whats going to happen. Trouble is if I am how can I get her from that big kid she's married to. I know, I can get to become rich enough to buy General Electric, then I'll have of control Universal Pictures, Music and NBC, then I'll be a major player in Hollywood land, trouble is, as such, much more attractive [and younger] women then Courteney will be available. Now how do I get to do it, any ideas? ;-)
Rachel is a whiney clingy spoilt little girl, who Ross still has a schoolboy crush on.
We agree on that point.
Yes, the rest of the cast will be making guest appearences in his new show.
Thats a womans view point, but you as a woman can't see her as a man sees her. :-p
Yes, May wanted to know why.
You're welcome.
"Christopher" wrote in message news:[email]...
Stay in the UK. However, are you saying that 40 is too old for you? How vain are you??
Rachel started out that way, but over the years has matured into a level-headed, mature woman/mother. The only female character who has remained the same is Monica -- anal as ever!
I have eyes and can see that she is too skinny (maybe not now since she's expecting, she'll put on some much needed weight) and her hair is just horrible. Her hair looks much, much better when it has some body and bounce to it and not that flat down to the head, stringy, ironed look. BTW, ALL women notice other women's hair, clothes, makeup, physical appearance -- everything. It's a woman's inherent nature.
All the gorey details of your bedroom, as well??? ~~~ Kathy
Do note that I snipped that part. I didn't ask for such details, but I guess I can give him a break if he enjoys writing it (and I didn't really read it).
Glad to hear that, May!! ~~~ Kathy
"May" wrote in message news:c0h4el$698$[email]...
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:05:50 +0200, "May" wrote:
Wish I'd known before hand, or I wouldn't have type it.
"Christopher" wrote in message news:[email]...
guess
That's alright. No biggie.
Maybe it depends more on how old *he* is? :)
On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 06:27:19 +0000, Paul Hyett wrote:
47, or I'm older by the same age as David is younger to Courteney. ;)
I'm 8 yrs older than my husband and we are a perfect match. The man doesn't always have to be older than the woman in order for a couple to work. ~~~ Kathy
"Christopher" wrote in message news:[email]...
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 08:39:36 -0500, "Kathy" wrote:
Well Courteney must have the mothering instinct with David then.
Why would she have the mothering instinct with David because he's younger? My husband is the same number of years younger than me that David is of Courteney and I don't feel like I "mother" my husband at all! You are so screwed up on this whole age thing.... ~~~ Kathy
"Christopher" wrote in message news:[email]...
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 11:02:56 -0500, "Kathy" wrote:
He's a little boy in a mans body.
You're husband is probably a lot more mature then David is.
Apparently, that works for CCA. She married him and they look very happy together. Plus, they are having a child now.
My husband is 42 and had two grown kids, plus we have two more grandchildren on the way. Yea, I will safely say my husband is probably much more mature than David. However, that doesn't mean David won't be a great father. There's nothing wrong with having children later in life. My best friend was 27 before she had her first child. ~~~ Kathy
"Christopher" wrote in message news:[email]...
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On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:57:47 -0500, "Kathy" wrote:
The calm before the storm. :)
And he might even grow up.
Thats the average age here for married women to have their first child.
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 15:17:02 -0500, "Kathy" wrote:
No, 40 is about right, but a 20 yeah old woman won't creak as much. <ducks>
It's a well known fact older me go after younger women as they are more fertile.
Oh come on, Rachel didn't even know how to change a nappy.
Being a neat freak is being anal?
Over here is called being catty.
Yeah, it's the effect of hanging around Americans for to long. <ducks again>
Older men go after younger women for an "arm ornament" and ego boost. It sure as HELL isn't to procreate! If the men are in their 50's and 60's, their children are probably already grown and out of the house. Why the hell would they want to go through that again? ~~~ Kathy
"Christopher" wrote in message news:[email]...
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 08:36:03 -0500, "Kathy" wrote:
Maybe in America but England isn't America. Besides if you check back in British social history in living memeory and I mean as early as when I was younger you'd see that older men did marry younger women in order to procreate, and younger women married older men for [financial] security.
Thank GOD this country isn't England!!!
Key word: HISTORY, British history, at that. If any older man marries a younger woman to procreate (if they don't have children), it's only because they couldn't find a woman to procreate with when they were younger. 99% of the older men these days already have grown children and maybe even grandchildren. They are ready to enjoy life without the responsibility of children, so why in the hell (I ask again!) would they possibly want to go through the diapers, bottles, day care, pre-school, high school and college stress again??? They'd probably be dead before they could see their bonus child graduate high school, anyway! Plus, younger women marry older men for much more than just financial security nowadays. When I was in my early 20's and dating, I dated mostly older men because the "men" (and I use that term loosely) my age were extremely immature and only wanted one thing from a woman. Don't generalize and lump women into categories. You could get a serious ass beating doing that! ~~~ Kathy
"Christopher" wrote in message news:[email]...
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:53:34 -0500, "Kathy" wrote:
Gordon Brown the chancellor of the exchequer became a father for the first in a few months ago, and he's older then me.
Because they wanted to.
Of course, that started to change in the mid 1960's.
Not from you.
I said appx 99% of older men already HAVE children. This Brown guy falls into that 1% category. You could ask most men 50 and older who have grown children if they'd want to go through it again and you'd hear a resounding NO! "Because they wanted to" isn't a viable reason, IMO. More like "because they HAD to" is more truthful.
Women do not need a man to survive these days. THANK GOD! If women had to depend on a man for survival, she'd starve to death.
I would beat your ass and you'd like it! ~~~ Kathy
"Christopher" wrote in message news:[email]...
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On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:54:52 -0500, "Kathy" wrote:
Fair enough, be interesting to see how the big kid takes to the responsibility of parenthood, I give it 3 months before the rows renew again.
Makes you wonder how you women managed then before recently doesn't it.
You'd try, and if you managed to hit my 'ass', the next thing you'd hit is the floor.
I'm puzzled - why do you always refer to David Arquette as 'the big kid'?
On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 06:23:43 +0000, Paul Hyett wrote:
Because he is one, and it's not just me saying that, apparently that is the general impression of him in America with the American public. As he's most known in America for an AT & T ad he's done. Which going by the news that AT & T is going to be taken over by Vodaphone, says a lot about him in the ad generating business. lol Plus his taste in fashion, and how he dresses in public do not signal a mature attitude.
So, having a great personality and zest for life, plus choosing not to dress in the "norm" constitutes being a big kid? I suppose you'd like him better if he dressed in stodgy suits all the time. ~~~ Kathy
"Christopher" wrote in message news:[email]...
On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 09:12:24 -0500, "Kathy" wrote:
If you mean acting like a prat, and dressing like a twit with the dress sense of a buffon. Then yes.
I'd like him to act his age, and dress accordingly.
Well, I'll say it again.....Courteney seems to like it alot and that's really the only opinion that should matter to him! ~~~ Kathy
"Christopher" wrote in message news:[email]...
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On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 15:07:56 -0500, "Kathy" wrote:
Till she becomes embarrassed or tired of his childish antics, after all in 6 months or so he's going to have competition.
No, in 6 mos, he's going to be a father. Also, if Courteney was going to be embarrassed of his "childish antics", don't you think she would be by now? They've been married for several years. ~~~ Kathy
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On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 08:35:08 -0500, "Kathy" wrote:
A baby fills a house. And the house won't be big enough for the two of them.
She's still blinded by 'love'.
A baby fills a house? No, a baby COMPLETES the home. Plus, they have a very, very large home, so space isn't an issue. Also, she's not having a baby elephant. (hehehe)
Wow....blinded by love for your husband. Well, if that's true, then I'm still blinded by love for my husband after eight years. Actually, I'd say the consensus of all married men is to hope their wives are still "blinded by love" for them! ~~~ Kathy
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On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 12:34:03 -0500, "Kathy" wrote:
No, a baby fills a house, as a new born baby is the main event in a house, and everything tends to revolve around it. They might have a 'very, very large home' but the baby when ita arrives will make it feel small.
Yeah, but not all married 'American' men unloke DA live in Tinsel Town.
"Christopher" wrote in message news:[email]...
you'll be asking us all to do that next :P
On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 02:01:09 -0000, "Kittypher" wrote:
Well now that you mention it... :->
Also, Cingular is buying AT&T Wireless. I don't know who the heck Vodaphone is. ~~~ Kathy
"Christopher" wrote in message news:[email]...
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I've never thought of him that way and I've never even heard or read of him being referred to as a big kid.
I've never heard him referred to as a big kid, either. This is all in Chris's imagination because he's so jealous of David. ~~~ Kathy
"Cheryl" wrote in message news:fJwYb.207882$U%5.1147433@attbi_s03...
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In alt.tv.friends on Tue, 17 Feb 2004, Kathy wrote :
The only possible thing I can ascribe it to, is him playing pinball in that coke advert.
That's true. Actually, he seemed very normal (by Chris's standards, anyway). My guess is that he is that way in his private life and in the public eye, we see him a little more funky. So, if Courteney knows how he is in private, the public David doesn't bother her at all. ~~~ Kathy
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On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 21:40:27 -0500, "Kathy" wrote:
Jealous, me, narr you jest woman. DA is a west coast based juvenile who hasn't yet grown up. As I said we'll see if parenthood makes him grow up, if not the Arquettes will become just another disfunctional Hollywood family.
Now you'll get accused of being a serial stalker... :)
On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 06:25:06 +0000, Paul Hyett wrote:
At least I have 3 women to you're 1. :-p
You seem to think you know alot about Americans, but have you ever been to America? Probably not. I'm going to quote what Jack Gellar said to Emily's dad, "you would be speaking German if it weren't for us!" ~~~ Kathy
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maybe so, but I'd like to point out the amount of time it actually took the Americans to join the war in the first place. I'm sure a lot less people would have been massacred if they'd joined sooner. Anyone else see the irony in that?
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 00:54:23 -0000, "Kittypher" wrote:
Americans probably wouldn't. ;-)
On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 18:30:03 -0500, "Kathy" wrote:
Well I have seen you're society first hand.
Five times.
Oh dear, that tired old clich� Americans come out with, will K here is one for you to chew on, if it wasn't for the British you'd all be speaking french, for it was us who stopped french expansion in the New World.
Five whole times?? I suppose that's enough to form an opinion....not! ~~~ Kathy
"Christopher" wrote in message news:[email]...
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 08:41:23 -0500, "Kathy" wrote:
Yep, five whole times. You want details? And it is, as Friends, Will & Grace, Fraser, Steinfield, Cheers... plus American movies all support my impression of American society.
No, I don't want or need the details of your whirlwind visit to this great country. 99% of American sitcoms do NOT represent true American life. Two exceptions, however, would be "All In The Family" and "Good Times." ~~~ Kathy
"Christopher" wrote in message news:[email]...
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On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 10:08:13 -0500, "Kathy" wrote:
Ive seen American society as it really is, in real life, and as a neutral outside observer from outside the bubble I can see things about it that you being inside the bubble can't see.
Are you jealous? It sure sounds like it to me! Plus, it really does sound like you want to live in America instead of where you are now. ~~~ Kathy
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On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 15:18:21 -0500, "Kathy" wrote:
No I'm not, and I woundn't want to become an American, I'm English, so why should I go down market. :)
Down market? What the heck does that mean? You have to be jealous of Americans, though. You run us down constantly. ~~~ Kathy
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 08:37:16 -0500, "Kathy" wrote:
Yep, down market.
Leaving English society to become an American would mean going down market. Besides, I don't like the way American society is structured, from the highest to the lowest in the attitude of Americans to their fellow Americans. As I said, Ive seen it first hand, and on Friends it shows now and again, you can't see it but I can. And it doesn't look nice when you are English, and have been raised English.
NOT constantly. I have defended Americans to on other newsgroups. However, I've seen in newsgroups [not this one] that certain individuals of you're country population are insufferable smug, and ask for it.
Down market.....that is just stupid. If you became an American, you would be raising your social standing in the free world 100%! I don't know what you do for a living, but I would be willing to bet you would make much, much more doing that same thing here. Except if you're a male prostitute, unelss you go to San Francisco. (hehehehehehe)
You keep comparing American "real life" to the American life depicted in sitcoms. It ain't the same, believe me!!! An apartment the size of Joey's rents for upwards of $800 a month, and that is a low guess. An apartment the size of Monica's would rent for $1,200 or more a month. Her apartment is rent controlled from when her grandmother lived there, so a new NYC resident could never afford one on their own without 2 or 3 roommates.
You Brits put way too much emphasis on how something "looks." Just tells me you are shallow.
Insufferable and smug? Ask for it? Yarite.....like you guys across the pond are just perfect ladies and gentlemen that never say a cross word or make a ugly remark!
Don't get me started.
~~~
Kathy
"Christopher" wrote in message news:[email]...
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 11:01:06 -0500, "Kathy" wrote:
You just don't understand, as you live in America, in Americas society, and can't see how it looks to none Americans. It has nothing to do with money.
American humour no dout.
It has nothing to do with flat rental ect, it's how Americans treat their fellow American's that comes across in Friends now and again. Try and look at how American society is like with the attitudes of people in it to one another from a none Americans view, i.e. imagine you were not an American and just look and listen.
No, it's us 'Brits' who have visited America see how it is in real life.
We are not as dirty mouthed as some American 'entertainers'.
Going by the above, it looks like you already are.
Kinda off-topic, I know, but is Ali G (Sacha Baron Cohen) still dating Isla Fisher?
"Christopher" wrote in message news:[email]...
On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 10:36:53 -0000, "Beyond Therapy" wrote:
Yeah.
"Christopher" wrote in message news:[email]...
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Lucky b@$t@rd!
So Ali G is gay?
On 10 Feb 2004 23:01:36 GMT, [email] (H.I.V. Steve) wrote:
No, he's also middle class.
[email] (Christopher) wrote in message
Damn that is a cold thing to say. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy HHH, even if HHH gave my mom a pedigree I don't think I could be happy if I found out one day he has aids. Man you're a cold dude.
You know something funny? I don't have any idea who you are talking about, but just by the aids reference I know it is some homosexual male, as no one else ever gets aids from sex but them.
No lesbians on the news ever die from or get aids. No normal people do.
In fact, since everyone is starting to figure this out, I am starting to see tv shows and movies again where they are trying to promote and scare people with old STDs like syphilis and herpes again since they know no one is afraid of aids anymore since they know only fags get it.
Notice this on recent programs now? Back to the real diseases that normal people get to try and scare kids from having sex (as if virgin school kids would have it to begin with) Unless kids are having sex with adults, no chance of getting any STD of any kind!
But how refreshing that it seems this next decade is getting away from worrying about aids, politicians from all sides are speaking out against gays without being called homophobes anymore, I even see people using the word "fag" again. This is great!
Let's keep going that direction and soon we can go back to the old Polish jokes again without have to be afraid to laugh at them.
Lets re-institue slavery while we're at it!
First learn how to reply after the quote, not before it.
Second, yes let's! After all that is what our country was founded on, and by slave owners.
The farther back in time you go, the more humans acted and behaved the way nature intended them to. Human society, religion, and laws have all fucked us up to the sickly weak species we are today.
You can't even drink out of a pond anymore today like our founding fathers could without getting sick and dying. You have to take pills and see doctors all the time, no other species has to do this.
Your extinction is near, and what a joyous event that will be for the rest of the species and nature, it will be a celebration.
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without persicution, thats why the pilgrims decided to venture here, the only part the slaves played was making the rich land owners wealthy by preparing, picking or what have you, the products that was sold here or exported, which in turn brought money into a white economy that started the industrial revolution, by the time slavery was abolished most farmers had enough money to buy Eli Whitney's cotton gin or other machines that could do the work of 100 slaves in half the time, then, the african americans becoming part of working society, by that, I mean, actually getting paid for working was putting there money back into the white economy so they got screwed either way. what does this have to do with how ugly hiv steve is? also, everything has its price, would you rather drink out of a pond or would you rather of not had all the modern convienencs that we take for granted and have today? and also nothing last forever, ecspecially hiv steve
Let's update you with a little history lesson....
"No, I don't know that Atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered as patriots. This is one nation under God." [Republican Presidential Nominee George Bush, 1987]
"No person who denies the being of God shall hold any office [in] the civil departments of this State, nor be competent to testify as a witness in any court." [Constitution of the State of Arkansas, Art. 19, Sec.1; violates the US Constitutional prohibition against religious tests for public office, and was ignored by Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton]
I concur with you strictly in your opinion of the comparative merits of atheism and demonism, and really see nothing but the latter in the being worshipped by many who think themselves Christians. -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Richard Price, Jan. 8, 1789 (Richard Price had written to TJ on Oct. 26. about the harm done by religion and wrote "Would not Society be better without Such religions? Is Atheism less pernicious than Demonism?")
I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State. -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Danbury Baptist Association, CT., Jan. 1, 1802
History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes. -Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, Dec. 6, 1813.
The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills. -Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814
Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law. -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814
If we did a good act merely from love of God and a belief that it is pleasing to Him, whence arises the morality of the Atheist? ...Their virtue, then, must have had some other foundation than the love of God. -Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Thomas Law, June 13, 1814
Among the sayings and discourses imputed to him [Jesus] by his biographers, I find many passages of fine imagination, correct morality, and of the most lovely benevolence; and others again of so much ignorance, so much absurdity, so much untruth, charlatanism, and imposture, as to pronounce it impossible that such contradictions should have proceeded from the same being. -Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Short, April 13, 1820
To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings. To say that the human soul, angels, god, are immaterial, is to say they are nothings, or that there is no god, no angels, no soul. I cannot reason otherwise: but I believe I am supported in my creed of materialism by Locke, Tracy, and Stewart. At what age of the Christian church this heresy of immaterialism, this masked atheism, crept in, I do not know. But heresy it certainly is. -Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, Aug. 15, 1820
"A professorship of Theology should have no place in our institution [the University of Virginia]." [Thomas Jefferson, letter to Thomas Cooper, October 7, 1814. From Gorton Carruth and Eugene Ehrlich, eds., The Harper Book of American Quotations, New York: Harper & Row, 1988, p. 492.]
(Laws establishing freedom of religion)..."were meant to include within
them the Muslim, the Hindoo [sic], and the infidel of any sort." [Thomas Jefferson in a letter to his nephew, Dethloff, Henry C., ed. Thomas Jefferson and American Democracy. Lexington, MA: D.C. Heath and Co. 1971] INFIDEL: 1 : one who is not a Christian or who opposes Christianity 2 a : an unbeliever with respect to a particular religion b : one who acknowledges no religious belief
"I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition (Christianity) one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology." [Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Woods]
"The blessed Religion revealed in the word of God will remain an eternal and awful monument to prove that the best Institutions may be abused by human depravity; and that they may even, in some instances, be made subservient to the vilest of purposes." [George Washington]
"At the time of its Founding, the United States seemed to be an infertile ground for religion. Many of the nation's leaders - include George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and Benjamin Franklin - were not Christians, did not accept the authority of the Bible, and were hostile to organized religion. The attitude of the general public was one of apathy: in 1776, only 5 percent of the population were participating members of churches." [Ian Robertson, _Sociology_, 3rd editions, Worth Publishing Inc.: New York, 1987, page 410]
"Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought most to be deprecated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society." [George Washington, letter to Edward Newenham, October 20, 1792; from George Seldes, ed., The Great Quotations, Secaucus, New Jersey: Citadel Press, 1983, p. 726]
"I care not for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for it." [Abraham Lincoln]
"The Bible is not my Book and Christianity is not my religion. I could never give assent to the long complicated statements of Christian dogma." [Abraham Lincoln]
"I knew Lincoln as early as 1834-7; knew he was an Infidel. He and W. D.
Herndon used to talk Infidelity in the Clerk's office in this city, about the years of 1837-40. Lincoln attacked the Bible and the New Testament on two grounds: first from the inherent or appparent contradictions under its lids; second, from the grounds of reason. Sometimes he ridiculed the Bible and the New Testament, sometimes seemed to scoff at it, though I shall not use the word in its full and literal sense. I never heard the Lincoln changed his views, though his personal and political friend from 1834 to 1860. Sometimes Lincoln bordered on Atheism. He went far that way and shocked me." [Col. James H. Matheny, friend and campaign manager of Abraham Lincoln]
"I am approached with the most opposite opinions and advice, and by religious men who are certain they represent the Divine will. ... I hope it will not be irreverent in me to say, that if it be probable that God would reveal his will to others, on a point so connected with my duty, it might be supposed he would reveal it directly to me." [Abraham Lincoln. Chapter 14 of Part 5 of "Six Historic Americans" by John Remsburg]
"I am for liberty of conscience in its noblest, broadest, and highest sense. But I cannot give liberty of conscience to the pope and his followers, the papists, so long as they tell me, through all their councils, theologians, and canon laws that their conscience orders them to burn my wife, strangle my children, and cut my throat when they find their opportunity." [Abraham Lincoln]
I am not a Christian -God knows I would be one -but I have carefully read the Bible, and I do not understand this book'; and he drew from his bosom a
pocket New Testament. 'These men well know,' he continued, 'that I am for freedom in the territories, freedom everywhere as far as the Constitution and the laws will permit, and that my opponents are for slavery. they know this, and yet, with this book in their hands, in the light of which human bondage cannot live a moment, they are going to vote against me. I do not understand it at all.'" [Abraham Lincoln, quoted by Newton Bateman, Superintendent of Public Instruction for the State of Illinois, from "The Religious Beliefs of Our Presidents, From Washington to F.D.R.", by Franklin Stiner]
Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear. -Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787
But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. -Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782.
Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination. -Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom
"The argument that there must be a first cause is one that cannot have any validity. If anything must have a cause, then God must have a cause.
If there can be anything without a cause, it may just as well be the world as God." -- Lord Bertrand Russell (1872 - 1970)
"Truth" wrote in message news:[email]...
freedom
citizens, nor
nation under God."
office [in] the
comparative merits of
latter in the being
1789 (Richard Price
Atheism less
whole American
establishment of
thus building a
Association, CT., Jan. 1,
priest-ridden people
lowest grade of
leaders will always
1813.
defective and
into it: and such
texts of other
cause, to
the New
have proceeded
the fabric of
parts, as to pick
1814
common law.
10, 1814
belief that it is
Atheist? ...Their
the love of God.
by his
correct morality,
so much
charlatanism, and
contradictions should
1820
To say that the
are nothings, or
reason otherwise: but
Locke, Tracy, and
of
know. But heresy
1814.
Harper Book
p. 492.]
to include within
any sort."
Henry C., ed.
Heath and Co.
Christianity
religion b : one who
superstitions of the
(Christianity) one
mythology."
remain an
Institutions may be
some instances,
to be an
include George
were not
hostile to
of apathy: in
members of
mankind, those which
to be the most
deprecated. I was in
marked the present
denomination so far
carried to such a
20,
religion. I could
Christian
Infidel. He and W. D.
in this city,
the New Testament
contradictions under
ridiculed the
though I shall
heard the Lincoln
friend from 1834
far that way and
advice, and by
will. ... I
be probable
connected with
directly to me."
broadest, and highest
his followers,
councils,
burn my wife,
opportunity."
have carefully
from his bosom a
continued, 'that I am
as the
slavery. they
light of which
against me. I do
Superintendent of Public
Religious Beliefs
Franklin Stiner]
because if there be
that of
1787
are twenty gods or
departure from the plan
proposed by
departure from the
the insertion
meant to
and the
Infidel of every
Virginia Act for
that cannot have
must have a cause.
well be the
free from the catholic church in England at that time had not been in fear of maybe getting heads chopped off because they were a group that didn't hold the same religious beliefs as devout Catholics they never would have came here to America and settled the land. They wanted freedom of religion
Not true. Anyone, even in the US that makes a scientific claim that contradicts the church, gets in big trouble. They don't chop off heads anymore, but look what happens when you want to clone or do stem cell research even today. The church works very hard to stop it.
The only reason scientists cling to the already proven false "Big Bang Theory" is that it supports and does not contradict the church's "creationism" fairy tale. Scientists were allowed to this theory many moons ago, while anything else resulted in your head being cut off.
Not true......
History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes. -Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, Dec. 6, 1813.
The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills. -Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814
Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law. -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814
If we did a good act merely from love of God and a belief that it is pleasing to Him, whence arises the morality of the Atheist? ...Their virtue, then, must have had some other foundation than the love of God. -Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Thomas Law, June 13, 1814
Among the sayings and discourses imputed to him [Jesus] by his biographers, I find many passages of fine imagination, correct morality, and of the most lovely benevolence; and others again of so much ignorance, so much absurdity, so much untruth, charlatanism, and imposture, as to pronounce it impossible that such contradictions should have proceeded from the same being. -Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Short, April 13, 1820
To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings. To say that the human soul, angels, god, are immaterial, is to say they are nothings, or that there is no god, no angels, no soul. I cannot reason otherwise: but I believe I am supported in my creed of materialism by Locke, Tracy, and Stewart. At what age of the Christian church this heresy of immaterialism, this masked atheism, crept in, I do not know. But heresy it certainly is. -Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, Aug. 15, 1820
"A professorship of Theology should have no place in our institution [the University of Virginia]." [Thomas Jefferson, letter to Thomas Cooper, October 7, 1814. From Gorton Carruth and Eugene Ehrlich, eds., The Harper Book of American Quotations, New York: Harper & Row, 1988, p. 492.]
(Laws establishing freedom of religion)..."were meant to include within
them the Muslim, the Hindoo [sic], and the infidel of any sort." [Thomas Jefferson in a letter to his nephew, Dethloff, Henry C., ed. Thomas Jefferson and American Democracy. Lexington, MA: D.C. Heath and Co. 1971] INFIDEL: 1 : one who is not a Christian or who opposes Christianity 2 a : an unbeliever with respect to a particular religion b : one who acknowledges no religious belief
"I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition (Christianity) one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology." [Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Woods]
"The blessed Religion revealed in the word of God will remain an eternal and awful monument to prove that the best Institutions may be abused by human depravity; and that they may even, in some instances, be made subservient to the vilest of purposes." [George Washington]
"At the time of its Founding, the United States seemed to be an infertile ground for religion. Many of the nation's leaders - include George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and Benjamin Franklin - were not Christians, did not accept the authority of the Bible, and were hostile to organized religion. The attitude of the general public was one of apathy: in 1776, only 5 percent of the population were participating members of churches." [Ian Robertson, _Sociology_, 3rd editions, Worth Publishing Inc.: New York, 1987, page 410]
"Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought most to be deprecated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society." [George Washington, letter to Edward Newenham, October 20, 1792; from George Seldes, ed., The Great Quotations, Secaucus, New Jersey: Citadel Press, 1983, p. 726]
"I care not for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for it." [Abraham Lincoln]
"The Bible is not my Book and Christianity is not my religion. I could never give assent to the long complicated statements of Christian dogma." [Abraham Lincoln]
"I knew Lincoln as early as 1834-7; knew he was an Infidel. He and W. D.
Herndon used to talk Infidelity in the Clerk's office in this city, about the years of 1837-40. Lincoln attacked the Bible and the New Testament on two grounds: first from the inherent or appparent contradictions under its lids; second, from the grounds of reason. Sometimes he ridiculed the Bible and the New Testament, sometimes seemed to scoff at it, though I shall not use the word in its full and literal sense. I never heard the Lincoln changed his views, though his personal and political friend from 1834 to 1860. Sometimes Lincoln bordered on Atheism. He went far that way and shocked me." [Col. James H. Matheny, friend and campaign manager of Abraham Lincoln]
"I am approached with the most opposite opinions and advice, and by religious men who are certain they represent the Divine will. ... I hope it will not be irreverent in me to say, that if it be probable that God would reveal his will to others, on a point so connected with my duty, it might be supposed he would reveal it directly to me." [Abraham Lincoln. Chapter 14 of Part 5 of "Six Historic Americans" by John Remsburg]
"I am for liberty of conscience in its noblest, broadest, and highest sense. But I cannot give liberty of conscience to the pope and his followers, the papists, so long as they tell me, through all their councils, theologians, and canon laws that their conscience orders them to burn my wife, strangle my children, and cut my throat when they find their opportunity." [Abraham Lincoln]
I am not a Christian -God knows I would be one -but I have carefully read the Bible, and I do not understand this book'; and he drew from his bosom a
pocket New Testament. 'These men well know,' he continued, 'that I am for freedom in the territories, freedom everywhere as far as the Constitution and the laws will permit, and that my opponents are for slavery. they know this, and yet, with this book in their hands, in the light of which human bondage cannot live a moment, they are going to vote against me. I do not understand it at all.'" [Abraham Lincoln, quoted by Newton Bateman, Superintendent of Public Instruction for the State of Illinois, from "The Religious Beliefs of Our Presidents, From Washington to F.D.R.", by Franklin Stiner]
Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear. -Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787
But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. -Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782.
Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination. -Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom
"The argument that there must be a first cause is one that cannot have any validity. If anything must have a cause, then God must have a cause.
If there can be anything without a cause, it may just as well be the world as God." -- Lord Bertrand Russell (1872 - 1970)
"Truth" wrote in message news:[email]...
break
had
because
came here
scientific claim that
don't chop off heads
do stem cell
stop it.
false "Big Bang
church's
this theory many
being cut off.
priest-ridden people
lowest grade of
leaders will always
1813.
defective and
into it: and such
texts of other
cause, to
the New
have proceeded
the fabric of
parts, as to pick
1814
common law.
10, 1814
belief that it is
Atheist? ...Their
the love of God.
by his
correct morality,
so much
charlatanism, and
contradictions should
1820
To say that the
are nothings, or
reason otherwise: but
Locke, Tracy, and
of
know. But heresy
1814.
Harper Book
p. 492.]
to include within
any sort."
Henry C., ed.
Heath and Co.
Christianity
religion b : one who
superstitions of the
(Christianity) one
mythology."
remain an
Institutions may be
some instances,
to be an
include George
were not
hostile to
of apathy: in
members of
mankind, those which
to be the most
deprecated. I was in
marked the present
denomination so far
carried to such a
20,
religion. I could
Christian
Infidel. He and W. D.
in this city,
the New Testament
contradictions under
ridiculed the
though I shall
heard the Lincoln
friend from 1834
far that way and
advice, and by
will. ... I
be probable
connected with
directly to me."
broadest, and highest
his followers,
councils,
burn my wife,
opportunity."
have carefully
from his bosom a
continued, 'that I am
as the
slavery. they
light of which
against me. I do
Superintendent of Public
Religious Beliefs
Franklin Stiner]
because if there be
that of
1787
are twenty gods or
departure from the plan
proposed by
departure from the
the insertion
meant to
and the
Infidel of every
Virginia Act for
that cannot have
must have a cause.
well be the
is a contradiction of terms so, I would rather just call it freedom, Because I believe every religion wants "Freedom of Religon" however, they may as well be saying " You can join us as a people practicing religious freedom, but only if you believe in our God, our scripture, and our belief system." I think that in todays society there is freedom of beliefs but having this country being founded on christian beliefs, that is stead fast of today and that is why so many other religions are frownd upon. Thats why there is no seperation between God an country. I think that America right now holds the most wide range of religions than any other place in the world but to the powers to be such as political figure heads there is but only one God and it all intersects with the belief system that was brought here by the pilgrims. There are Holy wars going on in the middle east that date back before Christ was even born and people come here to the United States today just as when the Pilgrims first set foot here and they are still looking for the same thing, Freedom from what ever tyrant or dictator thats keeping them from doing what they want. Its all based on one premise (Life, Liberty, and The Pursuit of Happiness) and that is freedom.
You mean what our founding fathers were saying.
That is what our politicians are saying today.
"No, I don't know that Atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered as patriots. This is one nation under God." [Republican Presidential Nominee George Bush, 1987]
"No person who denies the being of God shall hold any office [in] the civil departments of this State, nor be competent to testify as a witness in any court." [Constitution of the State of Arkansas, Art. 19, Sec.1; violates the US Constitutional prohibition against religious tests for public office, and was ignored by Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton]
But you saw and read what our founding fathers wanted, and it was freedom FROM religion.
"Truth" wrote in message news:[email]...
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same time they were practicing religion, and I am not talking about todays religious beliefes because as a whole you have a spectrum of satanist to saints, where as when this country was founded, it was founded by a group of people who still wanted religion under God but wanted to practice it in there own way. That was the topic of discussion, I said that this country wasn't founded on slavery, It was founded on people (Pilgrims) wanting to break free from the catholic church and the FREEDOM to practice religion the way they wanted.
Despite all his or her rage, Truth is still just a rat in a cage:
Our founding fathers did not drink out of "ponds." In their time, this was considered blasphemy, as it insulted God to drink his water without a proper drinking vessel. This was true, even though many of our founding fathers were Deists. Your understanding of history is almost as weak as your grammar.
Nonsense. The average member of the animal kingdom spends from five to ten days out of the year at the veterinarian waiting to receive pills (admittedly, this is partly due to the lack of a single-payer health care system). What's worse, most of them can't take the pills on their own, because of the lack of opposable thumbs, which ties up veterinary resources even more. All this, mind you, DESPITE the lack of homosexuality among animals. Which throws your entire theory off, making you wrong.
If I had known it would turn out this way, I would have picked my own cotton!
We were not around back then, that is a ridiculous statement as is.
But if they knew back then what this country would turn into, they might not have brought all the slaves over here. They could have done as people do now, have kids and use them as slaves to do all the work.
Domesticated animals are bred and kept under human rules and procedures, they don't get to choose their mates and live as nature intended either.
None of the animals that live in the wild need any pills, unless some stupid human captures them and forces them down their throats.
You moron. I just saw a bird two weeks ago make a bent hook tool out of a piece of wire to pull a piece of food out of a hole.
Actually, any lack of homosexuality would help prove my point. Thanks.
Despite all his or her rage, Truth is still just a rat in a cage:
You actually thought I was talking about domesticated beasts of the field and sky? WRONG. I was talking about wild beasts. You have fallen right into my trap. I have studies written by college-educated individuals which back up what I am saying, and I will be glad to share them with you (as they prove my point, to the detriment of your point).
My studies indicate that wild beasts spend from five to ten days a year at the vet. Ever hear of tracking devices, similar to the ankle bracelets worn by those under house arrest?
This is immaterial. Therefore, I am removing it from the evidence.
You're welcome, but it helps to prove MY point. Homosexuality is casually unconnected to--i.e, it is not caused by, does not cause, and is not caused by the same thing as--the disorders that cause human beings *and* beasts to need medical care.
Also, you are avoiding any discussion of our founding fathers and their religious beliefs. Why is that? Are you ascared to debate this with me?
See, always believing in what OTHERS tell you! College-educated means nothing more than someone who had rich parents so they could party and swallow goldfish for a few years.
I know what I know because I have watched and observed nature and animals all my life. I know a lot more than some rich college dope like Bush that has to read every speech off a teleprompter that is written by someone else, because he can't write his own speeches.
I can find just as many "college educated" people who will back me up, so where will that get us? That is not proof. If you want proof, go outside into nature and just LOOK! OBSERVE!
I produced a television talk show many years ago that was bringing up viewpoints and discussions such as this and we agreed we would never allow any guests or "experts" on the show, because for every expert you can find on one side of the debate, you can find just as many on the other side, so what does that tell you about "experts"? It tells you that half of them are full of shit!
Why don't you post some reports that back my side instead of the ones that back yours?
Fuck all the reports, just look and find out for yourself and see the REAL unedited TRUTH!
ROTFFL! Do they use their credit cards to pay too? How do they know which building is the vet?
Only stupid uneducated researchers use those, I never had to. The animals are not scared of me, I can get them on a scale without having to pull them out of a tree with a noose too. I let them get on the scale themselves, not by force.
It is the capturing, shooting them, mishandling them, putting uncomfortable collars on them that cause them to get sick or injured by other animals.
Animals have colors and markings that are very important to them. A collar or tracking device not only causes damage from the radiation it emits, but it gives them an appearance that makes the others in their species look at them differently. It may cause others to attack it as an outcast, or avoid it because it thinks it is poisonous.
Humans have a lot to learn about the other species, I knew more as a child than most of those idiots on the nature channels know after abusing animals for several decades.
I already posted it about 3 or 4 times already, but just for you, I will post it again.
Here. Read all about our founding fathers and how they felt about religion.....
I concur with you strictly in your opinion of the comparative merits of atheism and demonism, and really see nothing but the latter in the being worshipped by many who think themselves Christians. -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Richard Price, Jan. 8, 1789 (Richard Price had written to TJ on Oct. 26. about the harm done by religion and wrote "Would not Society be better without Such religions? Is Atheism less pernicious than Demonism?")
History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes. -Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, Dec. 6, 1813.
The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills. -Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814
Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law. -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814
If we did a good act merely from love of God and a belief that it is pleasing to Him, whence arises the morality of the Atheist? ...Their virtue, then, must have had some other foundation than the love of God. -Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Thomas Law, June 13, 1814
Among the sayings and discourses imputed to him [Jesus] by his biographers, I find many passages of fine imagination, correct morality, and of the most lovely benevolence; and others again of so much ignorance, so much absurdity, so much untruth, charlatanism, and imposture, as to pronounce it impossible that such contradictions should have proceeded from the same being. -Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Short, April 13, 1820
To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings. To say that the human soul, angels, god, are immaterial, is to say they are nothings, or that there is no god, no angels, no soul. I cannot reason otherwise: but I believe I am supported in my creed of materialism by Locke, Tracy, and Stewart. At what age of the Christian church this heresy of immaterialism, this masked atheism, crept in, I do not know. But heresy it certainly is. -Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, Aug. 15, 1820
"A professorship of Theology should have no place in our institution [the University of Virginia]." [Thomas Jefferson, letter to Thomas Cooper, October 7, 1814. From Gorton Carruth and Eugene Ehrlich, eds., The Harper Book of American Quotations, New York: Harper & Row, 1988, p. 492.]
(Laws establishing freedom of religion)..."were meant to include within them the Muslim, the Hindoo [sic], and the infidel of any sort." [Thomas Jefferson in a letter to his nephew, Dethloff, Henry C., ed. Thomas Jefferson and American Democracy. Lexington, MA: D.C. Heath and Co. 1971] INFIDEL: 1 : one who is not a Christian or who opposes Christianity 2 a : an unbeliever with respect to a particular religion b : one who acknowledges no religious belief
"I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition (Christianity) one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology." [Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Woods]
"The blessed Religion revealed in the word of God will remain an eternal and awful monument to prove that the best Institutions may be abused by human depravity; and that they may even, in some instances, be made subservient to the vilest of purposes." [George Washington]
"At the time of its Founding, the United States seemed to be an infertile ground for religion. Many of the nation's leaders - include George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and Benjamin Franklin - were not Christians, did not accept the authority of the Bible, and were hostile to organized religion. The attitude of the general public was one of apathy: in 1776, only 5 percent of the population were participating members of churches." [Ian Robertson, _Sociology_, 3rd editions, Worth Publishing Inc.: New York, 1987, page 410]
"Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought most to be deprecated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society." [George Washington, letter to Edward Newenham, October 20, 1792; from George Seldes, ed., The Great Quotations, Secaucus, New Jersey: Citadel Press, 1983, p. 726]
"I care not for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for it." [Abraham Lincoln]
"The Bible is not my Book and Christianity is not my religion. I could never give assent to the long complicated statements of Christian dogma." [Abraham Lincoln]
"I knew Lincoln as early as 1834-7; knew he was an Infidel. He and W. D. Herndon used to talk Infidelity in the Clerk's office in this city, about the years of 1837-40. Lincoln attacked the Bible and the New Testament on two grounds: first from the inherent or appparent contradictions under its lids; second, from the grounds of reason. Sometimes he ridiculed the Bible and the New Testament, sometimes seemed to scoff at it, though I shall not use the word in its full and literal sense. I never heard the Lincoln changed his views, though his personal and political friend from 1834 to 1860. Sometimes Lincoln bordered on Atheism. He went far that way and shocked me." [Col. James H. Matheny, friend and campaign manager of Abraham Lincoln]
"I am approached with the most opposite opinions and advice, and by religious men who are certain they represent the Divine will. ... I hope it will not be irreverent in me to say, that if it be probable that God would reveal his will to others, on a point so connected with my duty, it might be supposed he would reveal it directly to me." [Abraham Lincoln. Chapter 14 of Part 5 of "Six Historic Americans" by John Remsburg]
"I am for liberty of conscience in its noblest, broadest, and highest sense. But I cannot give liberty of conscience to the pope and his followers, the papists, so long as they tell me, through all their councils, theologians, and canon laws that their conscience orders them to burn my wife, strangle my children, and cut my throat when they find their opportunity." [Abraham Lincoln]
I am not a Christian -God knows I would be one -but I have carefully read the Bible, and I do not understand this book'; and he drew from his bosom a pocket New Testament. 'These men well know,' he continued, 'that I am for freedom in the territories, freedom everywhere as far as the Constitution and the laws will permit, and that my opponents are for slavery. they know this, and yet, with this book in their hands, in the light of which human bondage cannot live a moment, they are going to vote against me. I do not understand it at all.'" [Abraham Lincoln, quoted by Newton Bateman, Superintendent of Public Instruction for the State of Illinois, from "The Religious Beliefs of Our Presidents, From Washington to F.D.R.", by Franklin Stiner]
Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear. -Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787
But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. -Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782.
Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination. -Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom
Case closed.
Despite all his or her rage, Truth is still just a rat in a cage:
You are wrong. College educated = peer review. My studies (i.e., the studies I can cite at a moment's notice if necessary) carry a great deal of clout.
I've watched NASCAR racing all my life but it doesn't mean I can fix a car. Also, your effort to change the subject by bringing Bush into it just makes you look like a foole (who has to change the subject [because he is wrong]).
I have already debunked your ridiculous claim that observation (which is NOT the same as examination) equals proof. Your methods are in blatant violation of the scientific method, which will render you ineligible for government aid in most states. So why should I listen to you?
It tells me that you and the other buffoons on your talk show were afraid to debate the issues with people who know what they're talking about. The fact that you are actually bragging about refusing to hear the opposition's viewpoint says more about you than it does about me (because you're the goddamned moran who admits to doing it).
"Hey, Larry, next time we play basketball can you please throw the ball into your own goal a few times so that I can score a few points?"
I already have. But for some reason you don't want to discuss my PROVEN case studies, written by respected and wealthy professionals.
I would appreciate it if you would give my assertations the respect that they deserve. An animal does not have to "know" which building is the vet.
Is that before or after you have them read the eye chart?
But in all seriousness, it's those ankle bracelets that are the key to the research I cite. They also answer your dumn question about how the animals "know" where the vet is. You do yourself a disservice by mocking them.
Yes, we all know how vitally important fashion is in the animal world (see how annoying it is to be mocked, ASSHOLE?). But without this research we wouldn't know how often wild animals visit the veterinarian, or what pills they take. In short, without these tools of research and learning, the entire world would be as ignorant as you are.
Balderdash. The "radiation" it emits is nothing more than harmless RF (radio frequency) energy, similar to when you or I key the microphone of a CB radio. If you honestly don't know the difference between that and radioactivity, you are a foole. If you do, you are disingenuous (and a foole).
It hurts to be different, doesn't it. Do I sense a bit of projection here? Hmm?
...or maybe a lot of projection. Is there something you want to share with the group, lol?
Yet you don't know how often wild beasts visit the goddamned doctor. So what good are you?
(This is the part you snipped:)
Like I said, it proves MY point. And the fact that you snipped this part out without any comment also helps to prove MY point (my point being that you are a raving jackass).
Quotes 2, 3, 4, and 7 are known forgeries. I suspect that quote 11 was fabricated by you (can you prove that this was actually said?). Quote 14 is real, but was said by somebody else. The rest are immaterial. This, too, helps prove MY point. Good day to you, sir.
No, not again - no more radio talk!
"Truth" wrote in message news:[email]...
to do this.
kingdom spends from five to ten
waiting to receive pills.
human rules and procedures, they don't
intended either.
domesticated beasts of the field
beasts. You have fallen right
college-educated individuals
College-educated means nothing more
party and swallow goldfish for a few
Vo do de doh do!!!! 23 skidoo!
observed nature and animals all my life.
like Bush that has to read every speech
else, because he can't write his own
to share them with you (as they
point).
people who will back me up, so where will
proof, go outside into nature and just
that was bringing up viewpoints and
never allow any guests or "experts" on
on one side of the debate, you can find
that tell you about "experts"? It tells
side instead of the ones that back yours?
yourself and see the REAL unedited
need any pills, unless some stupid human
throats.
from five to ten days a year at
pay too? How do they know which
ankle bracelets worn
never had to. The animals are not
having to pull them out of a tree with a
themselves, not by force.
them, putting uncomfortable collars on
other animals.
important to them. A collar or tracking
it emits, but it gives them an
species look at them differently. It may
avoid it because it thinks it is poisonous.
species, I knew more as a child than most of
abusing animals for several decades.
of a single-payer health care
take the pills on their own,
make a bent hook tool out of a piece
hole.
lack of homosexuality among
off, making you wrong.
help prove my point. Thanks.
founding fathers and their
ascared to debate this with me?
but just for you, I will post it again.
how they felt about religion.....
the comparative merits of atheism and
in the being worshipped by many who
Jan. 8, 1789 (Richard Price had written to
and wrote "Would not Society be better
pernicious than Demonism?")
priest-ridden people maintaining a free
ignorance of which their civil as well
themselves for their own purposes.
Dec. 6, 1813.
is so defective and doubtful that it
and such tricks have been played with
relating to them, that we have a right,
parts of them are genuine. In the New
of it have proceeded from an
the fabric of very inferior minds. It is
diamonds from dunghills.
January 24, 1814
the common law.
February 10, 1814
a belief that it is pleasing to Him,
...Their virtue, then, must have had some
13, 1814
[Jesus] by his biographers, I find many
and of the most lovely benevolence; and
absurdity, so much untruth, charlatanism, and
such contradictions should have proceeded
April 13, 1820
nothings. To say that the human soul,
nothings, or that there is no god, no
I believe I am supported in my creed of
what age of the Christian church this
crept in, I do not know. But heresy it
15, 1820
place in
October 7, 1814.
The Harper Book
1988, p. 492.]
meant to include within
infidel of any sort."
Dethloff, Henry C., ed. Thomas
MA: D.C. Heath and Co. 1971]
Christianity
religion b : one who
superstitions of the world,
(Christianity) one redeeming
and mythology."
God will remain an
best Institutions may be
even, in some instances,
seemed to be an infertile
leaders - include George
Franklin - were not Christians,
were hostile to organized
was one of apathy: in 1776,
participating members of churches."
Worth
mankind, those which are
appear to be the most
be deprecated. I was in hopes
has marked the present age,
every denomination so far that
disputes carried to such a pitch as
October 20,
Quotations,
726]
not my religion. I could
statements of Christian dogma."
an Infidel. He and W. D.
office in this city, about
Bible and the New Testament on
appparent contradictions under its
Sometimes he ridiculed the Bible
scoff at it, though I shall not
never heard the Lincoln
political friend from 1834 to
went far that way and
and advice, and by
the Divine will. ... I
that if it be probable
point so connected with
it directly to me."
broadest, and highest sense.
pope and his followers, the
their councils, theologians,
them to burn my wife, strangle
their opportunity."
one -but I have carefully read the
he drew from his bosom a
continued, 'that I am for
as far as the Constitution
are for slavery. they know
in the light of which human
vote against me. I do not
Superintendent of Public
"The Religious Beliefs
by Franklin Stiner]
god; because if there be one he must
of blindfolded fear.
10, 1787
there are twenty gods or no God. It
departure from the plan of the holy
proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that
Jesus Christ, the holy author of our
great majority, in proof that they meant
protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the
of every denomination.
to the Virginia Act for Religious
"Russell B" wrote in message news:[email]...
still just a rat in a
back to the old Polish
them.
it.
was founded on, and by
and behaved the way
and laws have all fucked
our founding fathers
their time, this was
water without a proper
founding fathers
weak as your
spends from five to ten
receive pills
single-payer health care
pills on their own,
veterinary resources
homosexuality among
you wrong.
or monkeys didn't it? Please, try to refrain from saying that the monkey was a homosexual!
You people with your constantly believe in urban legends long proven exactly that.
NEWSFLASH: Aids was a man made virus.
FACT: Human aids has NEVER been successfully introduced into any other species or animal.
Despite all his or her rage, Truth is still just a rat in a cage:
Please cite proof.
"Russell B" wrote in message news:[email]...
still just a rat in a
apes
saying
legends long proven
credibility of CNN, look at this:
"Russell B" wrote in message news:[email]...
is still just a rat in a
came from apes
from saying
urban legends long proven
A man made it with another man, ROR?
"John McGuirk" wrote in message news:[email]...
Site references.
Site references.
"Truth" wrote in message news:[email]...
Foul.
Despite all his or her rage, "Cheesecake" is still just a rat in a cage:
--- Begin quoted material ---
COMPUTER PROGRAMMER ARRESTED
Atlanta, Georgia (AP Wire Reports)
An Atlanta computer programmer was arrested early this week after his houseguest, an undocumented immigrant, presented himself at a local police station telling of beatings and sexual assault at the hands of his host.
David Harris, 37, was taken into custody late Monday night by detectives who had to make their way through piles of fast-food containers and empty bottles of hand lotion to gain access to Harris's bedroom.
Police became aware of the situation in Harris's residence Monday afternoon when Stephen Carter, an unemployed English subject, entered the Zone 2 Precinct office of the Atlanta Police Department in a state of dishevelment and panic and told officers there that he had been staying with Harris, a freelance computer programmer, since early September.
Carter, who claims to be a puppeteer although APD is unaware of any public performances in metropolitan Atlanta, said that he met Harris "online" in a Yahoo chat room, and that the two struck up a long-distance homosexual romance. Harris invited Carter to move in with him until Carter found work, said Carter, who took Harris up on the offer, bringing all of his possessions with him from Bristol, England.
The relationship soon went sour, the young would-be entertainer told police: Harris was an Internet addict who was often unhappy at the way he was treated by his "online" friends, and he beat Carter savagely and forcibly sodomized him on several occasions after being mocked in chat rooms. According to Precinct Commander Maj. Joseph Spillane, the pale and weedy young performer broke down in tears several times as he described the hours-long sexual assaults to which he was subjected by Harris, which sometimes involved violent and painful anal penetration while Carter was restrained physically and beaten if he screamed.
Harris was not available for comment; however, his attorney, Audrey Masero, said Tuesday that Harris denied the charges.
Carter, in a prepared statement, said that he wished to remain in the United States and seek work in television. "I still believe in Americerr," he said, adding a consonant to the final vowel in "America" in the English fashion, "and I think that given the chance, Americerr will believe in me."
Harris remains in custody in lieu of $200,000 bail.
--- End quoted material ---
"Russell B" wrote in message news:[email]...
a
a
afternoon
dishevelment
a
the
Masero,
Americerr,"
me."
Thank you.
Despite all his or her rage, "Cheesecake" is still just a rat in a cage:
You're welcome. That (citing references and otherwise being of assistance to my fellow posters) is what I'm here for, after all.
"Russell B" wrote in message news:[email]...
is still just a rat in a
can go back to the old Polish
laugh at them.
before it.
country was founded on, and by
humans acted and behaved the way
religion, and laws have all fucked
today like our founding fathers
"ponds." In their time, this was
drink his water without a proper
many of our founding fathers
almost as weak as your
do this.
kingdom spends from five to ten
to receive pills
single-payer health care
the pills on their own,
ties up veterinary resources
of homosexuality among
making you wrong.
there are gay dogs. when i was fucking my doberman, he didn't even fight back.
Despite all his or her rage, "John McGuirk" is still just a rat in a cage:
You say your mom didn't fight back?
"Russell B" wrote in message news:[email]...
just a rat in a cage:
.
it!
we
not
our
today.
is
to
waiting
of a
take
which
lack
off,
If I meant "mom" I would have spelled it m oh m, not "doberman"
Despite all his or her rage, "John McGuirk" is still just a rat in a cage:
I was reading between the lines.
On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:13:52 GMT, Truth wrote:
Funny thing is you're name is truth but you're full of shit. Why did you conviently leave out the webpage that says exactly who the guy was? You fucking internet liar. You have none of my respect, 3 things I hate girls, women, and bitches.
Despite all his or her rage, Truth is still just a rat in a cage:
You're afraid to laff at Polish jokes? Sheesh, what a total fag.
I spelled the word for you, you could have just copied it.
Truth wrote in message news:...
White women that have sex with niggers get AIDS.
Don't even try to deny it niggerlover.
Don't call ME a niggerlover, but if you change "have sex with " to "get raped by" then you may actually have another possible way to get AIDS, but I still have never heard of a woman getting aids from sex.
Only dirty needles and blood transfusions or contaminated pap smears.
"Truth" wrote in message news:[email]...
him
about,
no one
do.
to see
people
raped by"
have
you're damned near as stupid as the niggerz you love
What i'd like now is for all you fat, uneducated, bottom dwelling Usenet posters to stop posting now and let me show you what a real Usenet poster posts like. Now Hit My Music........:
Just to let anyone know who doesn't yet. HIV Steve & Steven Perkoff are the same person. He uses multiple (Over 10) nicks to post. He's trolled in alt.pro-wrestling.wwf for 3 years now. Everyone there knows most of his numerous nicks.
"~I�c���~" wrote in message news:[email]...
dwelling
what a real
alt.tv.friends,alt.pro-wrestling.wwf,rec.sport.pro-wrestling ,alt.tv.real-world,alt.fan.howard-stern
in
knows most of
we know, I think everyone knows
[email] (Steven Perkoff) wrote in message news:...
I am pretty sure HHH has HIV anyway from Pat Patterson.