ATF Awards

Mar 20, 2000286 posts by 22 posters
286 posts
Alanna Regan

Have I missed the ATF awards or have they not come out yet? I've really been looking forward to them!

Alanna

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The voting's over and the winners are chosen. As soon as the ceremony's written, everyone will find out the results.

Larissa

Coca-ColaPeachLilli

Right in time for voting to start for the the 2000 awards.

Jon

Heyyy! It's only been like over three months! Don't complain if you're not the one writing it. :P

Larissa

Coca-ColaPeachLilli

ceremony's

Sorry was that supposed to make a point Honey?

Well I did them in a night though they weren't that great so if this years one with all its extra time isn't better than a date with a stripper (I've got to paint my room this week) then I'll be upset.

J

No, Mr. My-American-Accent-Sounds-Like-I'm-From-Texas-For-No-Apparent-Reason, it was called "sarcasm." Can you say "sarcasm"? "Sarcasm." :)

Wow, was that all one sentence? But anyway, I'm not involved in the writing of this year's ceremony, so I have no comment!

Larissa

My-American-Accent-Sounds-Like-I'm-From-Texas-For-No-Apparent-Reason,

Girl, I ain't the one who needs the educatin'. When the day is done, the sun goes down and the moonlight is shining through you will know the meaning of the word sarcasm!

years

(I've

writing of

Then don't stand up for it if you're not the one writing it.

J

Alright, it's almost midnight. Does that mean I know now, or do I have to wait for a magical ray of moonlight to shine on me?

Damn! Slagged off (is that a British term?) for sticking up for friends once again! Actually we're going to need a new writer for the awards. Not me, I'm just saying.

Larissa

Coca-ColaPeachLilli

wait

There's a song but no I wont subject you to the horror.

once

I'm

What happened? It isn't the Oscars you know.

Jon

<grateful>

Yay Oscars! My favorite movie won! Anyway, remember that this year we have a lot more categories than we've had in the past, so it's going to take a little more effort.

Larissa

ActiviaPeachLilli

PeachLilli wrote:

your favorite movie? I HATED THAT MOVIE! ~Act

Really? I *loved* it! And the cool thing is that I saw it when it first came out about six months ago, and said it was my favorite movie back then, before all the praise from critics and publicity from its awards. But to each his (or her) own. :)

Larissa

TinaPeachLilli

Activa, hon, can you turn off the HTML posting, please? It's *really* annoying and unnecessary, and all it does is cause inconvenience, either because we have to decode gobbledegook or because we have to open an "attachment" file that for all we know could harm our computers. Ta very much :)

The upholder of Angelicism - or something like that... rachelgeller at writeme dot com (remove NOSPAM to reply) -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!
RavenPeachLilli

I heard PeachLilli's cries on the wind...

What happened? With my usual broad alertness to current affairs I totally missed the Oscars.

Augh, didja have to remind me?

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html

And you were in the US and could have watched it live! American Beauty won five Oscars. Have you seen that yet?

So how's that going? Oh, that reminds me, I still need to send you the winners. I will, I will!

Larissa

RavenPeachLilli

I heard PeachLilli's cries on the wind...

Drat. When was it? I totally missed that it was even happening. And yep, I've seen American Beauty. I liked it a lot, which is why I'm not going to discuss it. ;-P I try not to discuss stuff I like whenever possible. It generally just upsets me because there's always one person who'll come along and troll the conversation.

It's... uh, well... I'm sure it'll be going soon. ;-)

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html

Sunday night, exactly one week ago.

Well, that's why there's email. Hey, is this why you don't like to talk about Friends in the newsgroup too?

Yeah, and so will the list, really...

Larissa

RavenPeachLilli

I heard PeachLilli's cries on the wind...

Ooh damn. That was my birthday. I think I was kinda tired that night. We'd been down to Tucson that day.

One of the reasons. I enjoy the show a lot more now I don't read the group much. I think I just hate people analysing things overmuch. (No offence to anyone here; personal preference only. And before anyone tells me to leave the group if I don't like it, remember that I *did* leave the group.)

Whenever you're ready. :-) Anyway, I can't do a lot on it myself for the next couple of days. I have a job interview coming up on Wednesday, so I need to spend tonight and tomorrow reading up for it.

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html

You didn't tell me it was your birthday! :( (We need to start that birthday list thing again.) Anyway, happy late birthday!!

I've said that I don't like the over-analyzing, too, and they haven't made me leave. Yet.

Yeah, it won't be that hard to find, I'm sure I have it somewhere. I just have to get up the motivation to move the pointer all the way up to my personal filing cabinet and search. And good luck at your job interview!

Larissa

RavenPeachLilli

I heard PeachLilli's cries on the wind...

The point being? No one cares when my birthday is. Very few people here even know who I am, and even less care. ATF hasn't been a community in the sense where a birthday list is useful for a very long time. And even if it were (and not that I'm denigrating the current crop of posters, the vast majority of whom seem to be the kind of sensible, decent on-topic people that ATF just didn't have when I was at my height), it wouldn't need the birthday of someone who is only reading the group to keep up to date with the progress of a friend, to chat with a couple of friends, and occasionally to deal with lame trollings from someone who apparently thinks he's funny.

Thanks! For what it's worth I'd have mentioned it in email if I hadn't been in America. I kinda forgot just about everything except actually being in America while I was there.

No one would ever "make" me leave. On an unmoderated newsgroup, and without serious grounds to call in the net abuse admins, it can't be done. Sure, people here could make me feel unwelcome, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't stay if I wanted to. Simple truth is, I just don't belong here any more.

(I looked up "anymore" in my OED. :-) It's an American English word, not a UK English one. The correct English form is "any more". And guess what? It even accepts "alright" in strictly informal English. So I can still whinge, but I'm being snobbish if I do.)

Thanks for that, and thanks for the best wishes, too. Now I need to start reading their 1999 Annual Report. All 86 pages of it.)

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html
Tennant StuartRaven

In article , Raven wrote:

Hi.

Rather have *you* here than some, Raven. :)

Not snobbish by me, Raven, I'm an "any more"/"alright" person myself. My English master taught us from Fowler; he even allowed us to use "okay", as long as we never put "OK". What he hated was "etc" for that betrays sloppy thinking: if one ever dared, he'd write "AND ALL THAT JAZZ" in the margin.

And more good luck with your interview, from me.

Tennant Stuart

Greetings to family, friends, and neighbours from [email]
JacquiTennant Stuart

Tennant Stuart wrote

Which is pretty tall. (Sue still hasn't recovered from meeting you, Matt)

Seconded, thirded, sheeped, the lot.

And

So I

My

as

sloppy

margin.

"usw". That annoyed my Coleridge lecturer every time, especially when I justified it with biographical detail! :) I agree with you both (Matt, you should come to some of the OUP Dictionary Events that are running this year (they're free and fascinating)).

Seconded, but only if I can have the sentiment returned for me please (tomorrow lunchtime, second interview, great job)

Jac

Tennant StuartJacqui

In article , "Jacqui" wrote:

Lol!

I know that "usw" is a German abbreviation for "und so weiter" (and so forth, et cetera) but what has it to do with Coleridge and all that jazz?

Are you associated with Oxford University Press then, or hope to be?

In that case I second second good wishes for your second interview. :)

Tennant

Greetings to family, friends, and neighbours from [email]
JacquiTennant Stuart

Tennant Stuart wrote

when I

jazz?

Mr STC was a keen German scholar, studying the philosophers and literature, even abandoning his wife and kids to do so, at the Wedgwood's expense. He planned a huge meisterwork of translation but ran out of patience and cash. He travelled around Germany with the Wordsworths, at one point, and generally spent a lot of time there. He was also the chief admin officer in Malta at one point... interesting life.

No, but the lectures are free, interesting, and they feed us, which is more than you can say for most university lectures. ;)

Jac

Tennant StuartJacqui

In article , "Jacqui" wrote:

So that's why "usw" annoyed your Coleridge lecturer, but why did *you* use the abbreviation while discussing English poetry?

Ah, the joys (and the priorities) of student life!

Tennant

Greetings to family, friends, and neighbours from [email]
JacquiTennant Stuart

Tennant Stuart wrote

use

Because the first time I used it we were discussing German philosophers and I honestly wasn't thinking about what I said. Once I knew it wound her up I couldn't resist it (she's quite amenable to being wound up in a good natured way - I said "oh Kubla Khan must be 'some relative' of Genghis", to wind her up, and she got v defensive about Khan being an honorific not just a family name, and blow me down if Genghis and Kubla weren't grandfather and grandson after all (which I did know) and she had to explain it in the next class.... :) And I went and found out where Xanadu was as well)

It's just one of those things, it amuses me to use it.

Jac

Tennant StuartJacqui

In article , "Jacqui" wrote a lovely (snipped) story

LOL! YES!! Catching teachers out was such sport!

Tennant

Greetings to family, friends, and neighbours from [email]
RavenJacqui

I heard Jacqui's cries on the wind...

Light speed post, no time for coherence, far too much to do, proper replies to several posts coming tomorrow evening when I have more than fifteen seconds. Just wanted to say ...

Good luck, Jac! Let me know how it goes.

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html
RavenJacqui

I heard Jacqui's cries on the wind...

LOL!

And again, LOL! Damn, you're good. ;-) But thanks, to both of you.

Dates and times? Sounds fun.

Hopefully my other post was in time. I was actually in Derby, eating lunch with Ann, when I remembered your post. We both wished you luck there and then. (See my reply to Tennant for an explanation of what I was doing in Derby.)

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html
RavenRaven

I heard Jacqui's cries on the wind...

Hee! You have a mean streak to you.

How is Sir Larry these days? :-)

Email please, since I'll try to ring but I'm bound to forget. I managed to be efficient and organised today for the first time in weeks. There's no way it can last long enough to give me a second productive day.

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html
RavenTennant Stuart

I heard Tennant Stuart's cries on the wind...

Greetings. I don't recall ever 'officially' meeting you on-group before, although I've read a lot of your posts. Generally they scare me because they're too good.

<chuckle> I had several English teachers, who unfortunately tended to have clashing preferences. I was taught by one always to begin a letter "I am writing...", while another would write "And I thought you were windsurfing!" in the margin if I dared begin my letters thusly.

Many thanks! It was an ... interesting experience. All my preparation turned out to be entirely useless, of course, but I don't think it went too badly nonetheless.

What really killed me was getting back home and then having half an hour to change out of my suit, put on casual clothes and get out to the train station again to meet some friends and head up to Nottingham to see Dream Theater play live.

After the gig, we then stood around in the freezing cold for two hours to get our CD booklets signed. We finally got to bed some time around 3am, and then had to get up at 7am. I then spent the day in Derby, and arrived home a couple of hours ago.

Right now it feels like the interviews that took place a mere thirty-four hours ago were more like last month. I'm just about ready to fall asleep...

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html
Tennant StuartRaven

In article , Raven wrote:

Thanks. Too good or so good? :)

After many such travails myself, I eventually discovered that the *correct* way to write letters was to let my secretary do them. ;)

Lol - fill us in if you get a second interview...

Tennant

Greetings to family, friends, and neighbours from [email]
RavenTennant Stuart

I heard Tennant Stuart's cries on the wind...

Well, both, but mainly too. I feel threatened. ;-)

Ooh. I need a secretary. Hmm... Larissa, are you busy? ;-)

If I do, it won't be with Goldman Sachs. (That was my first interview - I don't know if I mentioned them by name.) They told me it was one day's interviews, all or nothing. I'll know within eight days, now, how I've done. I'm waiting on two other applications, as well, both of which are "being considered".

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html

For you? ... How much will you pay me? ;)

<crosses fingers>

Larissa

Tennant StuartPeachLilli

In article ,

Make sure you at least get union rate, Larissa... :)

Me too.

Tennant

Greetings to family, friends, and neighbours from [email]
RavenPeachLilli

I heard PeachLilli's cries on the wind...

Oh, damn. You had to go straight to the difficult questions.

Seven days left... No news yet. :-/

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html
RavenRaven

I heard PeachLilli's cries on the wind...

Unlike me, then...

Yep. I'm proud to announce, on this most beloved of all newsgroups, my big fat rejection from Goldman Sachs. Go ahead, jackals, have your fun.

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html
ActiviaRaven

awww sorry Raven! ~Act

Tennant StuartRaven

In article , Raven wrote:

Their loss. Keep looking... :)

Not from me. :)

Tennant

Greetings to family, friends, and neighbours from [email]
RavenTennant Stuart

I heard Tennant Stuart's cries on the wind...

Hmm, yeah. Thanks to you and everyone else who's been nice (and all those of you who sent email, too). There's still hope - I haven't had *all* my rejections yet. And I *have* been invited to take part in a global maths competition in the summer, so I won't be totally wasting my time.

Bah. Just sucks, that's all.

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html
Tennant StuartRaven

In article , Raven wrote:

Calculating latitude & longitude?

Tennant

Greetings to family, friends, and neighbours from [email]
RavenTennant Stuart

I heard Tennant Stuart's cries on the wind...

Yes. I have a plan for a great scheme to allow sailors to conquer that most difficult of problems - the task of calculating LONGITUDE AT SEA!

What's that?

Really?

When?

Oh, damn.

I hate it when this happens. Uh, sorry. My plan needs ... uh ... some revisions. I'll be right back.

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html
JacquiRaven

Tell you what, skip that. Just tell me how far I'd have to travel to go all the way around the world (and how much it would cost me). :)

Jac

Tennant StuartRaven

In article , Raven wrote:

There's a brilliant western "The Big Country", where retired sea captain Gregory Peck sets off across the vast expanse of the American plains, and the ranchers fear that he will get lost so send out search parties - but of course oceans of grass are as nothing compared with oceans of water, and our hero navigates his way back home.

Tennant

Greetings to family, friends, and neighbours from [email]
PeachLilliRaven

I think being a website designer would be an okay job...

Aww, I'm sorry! :( There will be others, don't worry.

Larissa

RavenPeachLilli

I heard PeachLilli's cries on the wind...

Does it pay much? Besides, I have a few other avenues to investigate.

Yeah, I know! I still have rejections to come from Merrill Lynch and Morgan Stanley Dean Witter. But that's actually a good thing. I'm trying to get my whole door covered with rejection letters by the end of the year. (Okay, so they were supposed to be rejection letters for something else entirely, but these are good too.)

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html
ActiviaRaven

Pats Raven on back then huggs .. awwww Dont loose your hopes, maybe they will be acception letters. ~Act

RavenActivia

I heard Activia's cries on the wind...

<grin> That'd be nice... but we'll see. Anyway, I now plan to spend the summer pretending to be a starving artist, collecting rejection slips for books that no one will publish. ;-) Don't worry, I'm not taking it too seriously. Thanks, though.

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html
ActiviaRaven

Hugs I believe in you if that means anything. ~Act

RavenActivia

I heard Activia's cries on the wind...

Thanks. Actually, it does. :-)

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html
ActiviaActivia

OMG I GOT ANOTHER ONE!! ~Act (falls out of her seat)

Tennant StuartActivia

In article , Activia wrote:

It's nice when the technology works, isn't it Activia? :)

Tennant

Greetings to family, friends, and neighbours from [email]
ActiviaTennant Stuart

Yea too bad it doesnt happen that often!

~Act

PeachLilliRaven

I dunno; you're the one who does it. :)

Good luck!

You're trying to cover your *door* with them? Why are you hanging them up?? You're supposed to file them away and pretend they never happened.

Larissa

RavenPeachLilli

I heard PeachLilli's cries on the wind...

Hee. Oh yeah. Well, the pay ain't bad, I have to admit. A guaranteed minimum is a good start.

Trust me, if anything comes of them, which is unli -

Grr, I so hate it when Sable shuts down and cuts me off without warning. As I was saying... (Thank God for unix Pine...)

If anything comes of them, which is unlikely in the extreme, then I won't be able to keep quiet about it.

There's actually a very good reason for it, originally, but it doesn't work so well with the finance companies, since those are rejections that actually matter. Let's just say I'm extending a perfectly good idea to something for which it wasn't really designed.

Well, it seemed like a perfectly good idea at the time. It made sense to me, anyway. Although you need a certain twisted logic to understand it properly.

It makes sense, really it does! Honestly!

Damn.

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html
PeachLilliRaven

Nice AOL. Good little system. <pets computer> Cuts me off all the time, but keeps whatever I was writing.

Yay! :)

Okay then! The important thing is that it makes sense to *you*.

Larissa

RavenPeachLilli

I heard PeachLilli's cries on the wind...

Likewise, hence my parenthetical comment.

(I always wanted to type "parenthetical comment", even if I do find it obscenely hard to spell.)

Oh, that it does. Farnarkling.

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html
Coca-ColaRaven

Kind of ironic then that one of the people here that knows more than most is the person you show a certain dislike towards.

That handbag does not go with your eyes darling.

Jon

I think the patient is trying to tell us something! Get the doctor!

Larissa

You're a ray of sunshine!

I know... ATF has changed a *lot*.

Well, I think *some* people might still want to wish you a happy birthday on time, regardless. But that's my opinion, of course.

It's not good to forget your own birthday, you know. Keep doing that and you'll end up much younger than you'd prefer. (Forgetting your birthday will only prove useful when you're really old.)

True. I've felt like leaving a few times because of things said, but I've always stayed for *some* reason...

That just sounds so sad. :(

See? I thought we had agreed on the grammar differences of the US and UK a while ago, though. But I'll try to not use "alright" with you much anymore. ;)

Ooh, sounds like great fun! And you're welcome.

Larissa

Tennant StuartPeachLilli

In article , [email] (PeachLilli) wrote:

Do you say "already" or "all ready" ???

Eek!

Tennant ;)

Greetings to family, friends, and neighbours from [email]

"Already." I've never seen "all ready" used unless something's ready. "Already" is for when something's previously been done.

Larissa

Coca-ColaPeachLilli

Our only sunshine. You make us happy when times are bad. You'll never dear how much we love you. So please don't take that sunshine away!

Jon

RavenPeachLilli

I heard PeachLilli's cries on the wind...

Nice to see I still have the talent! :-)

I don't even recognise most of the people here now. That said, they seem like a decent bunch.

You have a point. It's quite fun, if a little scary, not to be a teenager <USA>anymore</USA>. ;-) Maybe I'll get to twenty-five or so and then stop.

It's the terrible lure of ATF! It just keeps dragging people back...

I know. But a lot's changed since I used to post here regularly. You know probably more than most about all that.

Oh, we were definitely agreed before. It's just that I bought a nice new BIG dictionary, and I like to show off. ;-) And hey, since we're being informal, you're welcome to write "alright" so long as I can be quietly snobbish. ;-)

It was joyous. Took all day to read everything and make notes, and I didn't use one iota of it. Bah!

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html

Nice and depressing as usual! :)

Yeah, everyone just left!! But most here do seem to be nice people.

Hey, you learned how to use it the USA way! I thought you couldn't tell the difference. ;)

You'll never escape! You just have to keep coming back for more, don't you? :)

Yeah, I know. :( It's still sad!

Sure! So how are you going to be quietly snobbish? Mention your BIG dictionary again and again?

Yuck. I hate when that happens on tests! You study so much, and then like 10% of what you've studied is actually on the exam...

Larissa

Tennant StuartPeachLilli

In article , [email] (PeachLilli) wrote:

I have big red dictionary myself. I was quite pleased with it really, until I showed it to Jacqui; she opined that it was old & falling apart, and to my horror I realised that she was correct.

Think I'll buy a new one for the next century... :)

Tennant

Greetings to family, friends, and neighbours from [email]
RavenPeachLilli

I heard PeachLilli's cries on the wind...

Hey, without that one ability, my music and writing would be even worse than usual. ;-)

Well, I did look it up in the dictionary... but I've also started to notice it all over the place in American fiction now. It's strange how I never noticed it before, until it was pointed out to me. Neal Stephenson uses it all the time - I'm reading his book "Snow Crash" right now.

<grin> I just wish that were true. We both know why I'm really here.

Okay!

Ironically, I actually used more of the preparation for my University interviews than I did for the job interview!

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html

Raven wrote:

Be sure to order a pizza when you read that book.

-- Jon jonathan roberts \ the region of where guitar:synth:notes \ "Music both ecrestic and neatrosolic."
JacquiJonathan Roberts

<grin>

I prefer Cryptonomicon (plus it doubles as a doorstop)

Jac

RavenJonathan Roberts

I heard Jonathan Roberts's cries on the wind...

From Uncle Enzo? Besides, I don't know if I'd want a guy with swords turning up outside my home. ;-)

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html

Speaking of writing... How's the awards thing going? (Aren't you glad I asked!?)

In that case, you're welcome! :) But you mean you never saw it before and thought "that's wrong"?

I know. I just hope you stay for a while longer.

LOL, go ahead! ;)

Larissa

RavenPeachLilli

I heard PeachLilli's cries on the wind...

Oh, overjoyed. The awards thing *will* be going swimmingly as soon as I get far enough with the website that I can't do more until the catalogue is ready. Then I'll attack the Awards viciously until they're done, and then get back to the site.

For what it's worth, I'm growing plenty of ideas.

I'm used to spellings that *I* consider wrong in books, since most of my favourite authors are (or at least used to be) American. I think I just screen them out automatically unless someone points them out. It has led to me picking up a couple of American spellings, though. I didn't know until I looked it pu just recently that we spell jewellery/jewelry differently.

Maybe. We'll see.

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html
Tennant StuartRaven

In article , Raven wrote:

The best thing about getting to 25 is that the insurers will let you buy a decent sports car.

Tennant

Greetings to family, friends, and neighbours from [email]
RavenTennant Stuart

I heard Tennant Stuart's cries on the wind...

Why d'you think I picked 25? ;-)

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html
Claire AbrahamRaven

Ain't that the damn truth. I'm not hanging out around here because of the TV show anymore.

Why not?

RavenClaire Abraham

I heard Claire Abraham's cries on the wind...

I'm sad to say that, chit-chat aside, the only reason I'm subscribed is to see how Lee's doing.

Speaking of which, has there been any news lately?

I'm almost never on-topic, and almost all of my off-topic friends have left. I stay in email contact with most of them, but it's like going back to school ten years after leaving and wondering why you don't recognise anyone.

Plus I'm not really a Usenetter any more.

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html
Coca-ColaClaire Abraham

Take deep breaths, close your eyes and count from six down to one. As you count down think of Ross getting more like his old self, the Ross that had just been divorced for the first time and held secret feelings for Rachel. And relax.

Jon

Tennant StuartRaven

In article , Raven wrote:

I don't know who you are, because you hide behind "Raven", but please may I wish you a happy birthday 354 days early?

Tennant :)

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JacquiTennant Stuart
  • not true
  • that should be "fewer" not less.

HTH. HAND. E-mail!

Jac

RavenJacqui

I heard Jacqui's cries on the wind...

Rats! My old English teacher would have had me *shot* for that!

I know! Job interview got in the way somewhat. I'm looking at having to write a Rimmeresque timetable just to figure out how I'm going to fit into the rest of this holiday everything I have to do. Now, where are those colouring pencils?

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html
Tennant StuartRaven

In article , Raven wrote:

Our English master was also my House Master: for many months at attendance, one boy (not I) was not allowed to call out "here" or "yes"; instead he had to call out "P-A-R-A-L-L-E-L" for thricely misspelling the word.

Tennant

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RavenTennant Stuart

I heard Tennant Stuart's cries on the wind...

<grin> I can't get away with being grumpy around here any more, can I? :-) Thanks.

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html
Tennant StuartRaven

In article , Raven wrote:

And thank *you* for telling me who & where you are. :)

Tennant

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RavenTennant Stuart

I heard Jacqui's cries on the wind...

Shall do! It ought to be the 26th of this month, barring fire, flood or other randomised disaster, but I'll let you know when I'm back. :-)

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html
Tennant StuartTennant Stuart

In article , "Jacqui" wrote:

And between then & now Raven told me who & where he is, so he's no longer hiding, from me at least. Have a birthday drink on me, mate. :)

Tennant

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RavenTennant Stuart

I heard Tennant Stuart's cries on the wind...

Thanks. :)

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html
Coca-ColaRaven

Tempted, though predictable.

Jon

RavenCoca-Cola

I heard Jonathan's cries on the wind...

Oh, go right ahead. If you think *your* opinion matters to me then you're sadly mistaken. You're just reminding me of all the reasons I stayed away from ATF when I left.

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html
Coca-ColaRaven

I thought it was the second left after the traffic lights.

Am I really?

left.

You must have had a short list then. Let's hear it for the memories!

Jon

Coca-ColaPeachLilli

Yeah I know, I'm sorry.

Jon

You know? Can you distinguish between the stuff I'm going to groan at and the stuff I'm going to laugh at? Or do you just try anything?

Larissa

Claire AbrahamPeachLilli

Now, if you want to know what Texas sounds like, talk to William or me. Laurie, you are from Texas too, are you not?

I've been to Texas a few times, so I can pretty much guess what you guys sound like. It was kind of funny because it was a little hard to understand Jon's English accent, so he tried to put on an American one, but ended up sounding Texan. Then I made him stop because it was just so unnatural. :)

Larissa

Coca-ColaPeachLilli

sound

Jon's

sounding

Unless the Confederacy has started up again isn't Texas in the great US of A?

Jon

Yes. But contrary to what you may be thinking, most Americans *don't* talk with Texas accents. You should have tried an accent like the Friends - that would be considered "normal" to me.

Larissa

ActiviaPeachLilli

PeachLilli wrote:

Very true I talk nothign like the Texans..I dont have an accent at all in my book..I talk like The friends characters..or any other regular sitcom..such as Seinfeld, 2 guys and a girl, Dharma and Greg, Once and Again *not a sticom but*, Drew Carry..and several others.. ~Act

HelenaPeachLilli

American accents are cool so the Friends are normal ?? I just like the way things are pronounced so differently from what they are spelt like job is "jarb" and dog is "darg" or sometimes even "dawg" clock is "clark" it's kinda cool.. but the way us Brits say it is boring.. we just say it how it's spelt.. shame... but I do like my British accent (if there is such a thing.. there are so many) I would say I am "Home Counties" almost BBC standard, as I am from Surrey. But I am not posh !!! what accent would you guys admit to ?? I like the Alabama accent soo much, I know it's different than from Forest Gump, but I watched that film 7 times !!

Tennant StuartHelena

In article , "Helena" wrote:

Is this why your name is now Helena rather than HeLeNa ??

Tennant :)

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Owen ShiersTennant Stuart

if you look at mcdonalds in this country it will say drive thru not through, But the uk copies everything from the us anyway

ActiviaOwen Shiers

Which is ironic because the US is a new country..so maybe they are trying to liven things up? ~Act

Tennant StuartOwen Shiers

In article , "Owen Shiers" wrote:

The point is that "color" is countenanced by US dictionaries, "thru" is at best disapproved of.

Tennant

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Owen ShiersHelena

why do you guys say drive thru instaed of through, my english teacher reckons it'd lazyness since english is sucha hard language to spell

Da_LaughtermanOwen Shiers

reckons >it's lazyness since english is sucha hard language to spell

My lecturers use thru 'cos they say it saves writing time, although this time is loast in my opinion when they say "We'll use the American spelling of through, instead of the normal spelling because it saves time!"

HelenaHelena

@snet.net> wrote in message news:[email]...

Helena wrote:

    American accents are cool
    so the Friends are normal ??
  There are many American accents though in the south they dont pronounce anything barely the way it sounds! But here in NY, CT, Ohio, Penn and most of New England except if you get too far north like Main..or Boston..the Boston accent adds R's in everything! ..then the other exception is LA and Las Vegas we talk the way things are spelt in American english.
    I just like the way things are pronounced so differently from what they are
    spelt
    like job is "jarb"  and
    dog is "darg" <--never heard it said like that.. or sometimes even "dawg"
    clock is "clark" *confused*
    it's kinda cool..  but the way us Brits say it is boring..  we just say it
    how it's spelt..
  .We also spell things a lot differently..I see it in your writing(and others from Britain..) a lot and when someone from Britian transcribes a script...You never use Zs! Also you guys add u's like in colour instead of color, flavours instead of flavors
    shame...
    but I do like my British accent (if there is such a thing..  there are so
    many)
    I would say I am "Home Counties" almost BBC standard, as I am from Surrey.
    But I am not posh !!!
    what accent would you guys admit to ??
    I like the Alabama accent soo much, I know it's different than from Forest
    Gump, but I watched that film 7 times !!
  ~Act

Act.. We don;t add "u"s.. we just keep the "u"s as the words were originally invented but it is cool that our countries spell things differently, otherwise it would be so boring. How do they spell things like "colour" and "favourite" in Canada and Australia ??

Sesame SlangHelena

If a 100 monkeys each could get their own show (alt.tv.friends), perhaps one day (Sat, 1 Apr 2000 18:14:02 +0100) a chimp ("Helena") might say:

Depends.. some Canadians spell it with a u and some without (most of the ones I know use the u, though).. also in Canada they can say "zed" (like Britain) or "zee" (like the US) when talking about the letter Z.

from a BNL radio concert: Ed: "It's good to walk the cultural line between zee and zed for a good 43 points in Scrabble, for Z[ed]Z[ed] top" Steve: "oh yes, in Canada it's 'zed-zed top'" Tyler: "of course, in Germany it's pronounced 'Jshhtop'" Ed: "of course you can't do that though because there's only one zed"

sesameslang - oh canada we stand on guard by zee.. er zed!

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Tennant StuartSesame Slang

In article ,

The "u" disappeared from many American words in an attempt at spelling reform by Webster in his famous dictionary. He also dropped some double consonants ("waggon" became "wagon"), or he failed to add them where the vowel is unstressed ("modeller" became "modeler"). Another change was to use English instead of Latin plurals ("formulae" became "formulas") and similar other Latin influences ("palaeontology" became "paleontology"). Webster's work remains incomplete, with many awkwardly spelt words still plaguing schoolchildren, such as "night" rather than "nite".

Furthermore, there are a number of words where it is we British who have changed the spelling, for example "gray" became "grey", while the original form remains intact in America.

Some American forms have been so thoroughly adopted by the British that few people here still complain, for example nearly everyone on both sides of the Atlantic uses "jail", while almost no-one here insists on writing "gaol".

Finally, people here still moan about "-ise" words ending with "-ize" as though they were Americanisms, but in fact both forms are equally valid.

Tennant

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ActiviaTennant Stuart

ugh and thats just the beginning!! I just learned how to spell finally *this year* and beginning too...

I was taught to spell it grey.

while the original

ahh..yes I see this all the time in yours and others from UK.. Thankyou Tennant for the language lesson! ~Act

> > Tennant > > --
Tennant StuartActivia

In article , Activia wrote:

You're welcome Activia...

I'm no expert, just the beneficiary of a Grammar School education.

Jacqui will doubtless be along in a while to correct me... :)

Tennant

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ActiviaTennant Stuart

I was never taught that..but hey I live in America remember lol ~Act

Hey! I resent that comment about America! :) I think education is what you make of it, no matter where you live.

Larissa

ActiviaPeachLilli

I was meerly joking. The education wasnt that bad its just that they never taught language history!! ~Act

Tennant StuartActivia

In article , Activia wrote:

We weren't taught Language History per se, just the difference between American English and English English, though I still have a lot left to learn. Mind you, thinking about it now, I suspect that our English master was a secret George Bernard Shaw fan.

Tennant

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ActiviaTennant Stuart

We weren't taught the different between English Enlish and American English either! I didnt even know there was a different way to spell colour. The first time and a few times thereafter.. I thought someone had misspelled it or it was a typo..along with other words ~Act

Ida S.Activia

"Thru" is not proper English, American or otherwise. It's an advertising-era degenerative, used as a shortcut (typesetting being expensive), and also because it looks "catchy," like EZ or Pak'N'Sav. No English teacher in the country should let it be used in place of "through."

TinaIda S.

Hellooooo!!! After getting drunk in Vegas, Ida S. doodled cat whiskers on his/her face and miaowed this little lot at a statue...

Pretty much all my teachers, even my English teachers, use it as an abbreviation, but as with all abbreviations, if we use it in *essays* then we get slaughtered. :)

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Ah the joy of essays. No contractions, no abbreviations, only perfectly proper English. :)

Adriana

Ross: I don't know if anything is ever going to happen with us again, ever, but I don't want to know that it never could. So I stopped it, and she got mad and broke my projector. -TOW Chandler Can't Cry

Hellooooo!!! After getting drunk in Vegas, Adriana Ruiz doodled cat whiskers on his/her face and miaowed this little lot at a statue...

Pffffff. I still manage to get away with it on occasion. :)

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MaritaTina

On Mon, 03 Apr 2000 18:05:58 +0100, Tina wrote:

We (here in Norway) can actually get away with writing both American English and British English. I prefer British English, though, even though I love the US!

~Ariel

"Money isn't everything, but it's right up there with oxygen"

TinaMarita

Hellooooo!!! After getting drunk in Vegas, Ariel doodled cat whiskers on his/her face and miaowed this little lot at a statue...

There was a small debacle when I was little and first went to school - my dad, who lived in the US for many years before moving here, had actually taught me American English unwittingly... oh, the trauma. :)

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Tennant StuartMarita

In article , [email] (Ariel ) wrote:

Ariel, is English a foreign language to you? If so, one would not have guessed.

Tennant

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MaritaTennant Stuart

On Mon, 03 Apr 2000 22:43:53 BST, Tennant Stuart wrote:

Thank you very much! *I'm blushing right now....* :)

~Ariel

"Money isn't everything, but it's right up there with oxygen"

JRPMarita

Ariel wrote:

I'll not get into this more than I should, but, I'm taking translating courses (university) and we have full year courses dedicated to canadianisms, or international French, or American English, or British English, etc. The course load is quite full because of all the joys of both languages! ;) JRP

MirandaJRP

I think most Americans like British English better as well. Well, maybe just the accent. My English teachers last year was British and I could listen to her read aloud forever.

TTFN Miranda "Pinky, you've left the lenscap of your mind on again" "It is still a very sad thing when a member of the family has to be terminated." "May your performance be filled with cellofane crinklers and standbys!"

ActiviaMiranda

NOt the popular opinnion in my school. ~Act

Tennant StuartJRP

In article , JRP wrote:

Are these Canadianisms a variation of English or French?

Are you guys allowed to say "le weekend", and other such terms frowned upon in France itself?

Tennant

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JRPTennant Stuart

Tennant Stuart wrote:

Both. In English there are Canadianisms, as well as in French. I could surely dig up some examples if you are interested. :)

I believe our definition of "le weekend" is not the same as in France. And we say "la fin de semaine" in my area, probably because I live in a bilingual town and we fight alot to keep our French... In Canada, we are a bit more liberal with our use of certain English words, probably having to do with the US and the television influences. But Canadian French, or rather proper Canadian French, is very similar to France French (intertional French). When you do translations for governements and very specific agencies, the intertional French is used. However if it is for a more common article, there could be much more Canadianisms and regionalisms and so forth. I know an author (one of my teachers)who translated an English book into French. Now, the English book was a very specific look at French Canadians and small town issues in Canada. So when he translated this book into French, he was not going to use international French, it would have made the book very removed from the topic. Understand where the difference in Canadian and France French would lie? I'm sure there are people in this ng from FRance who could add more towards the difference in our language.... :) JRP

> > > Tennant >
Tennant StuartJRP

In article , JRP wrote:

And is International French distinct from all other Frenches, or is it once of them by another name?

Is there an International English?

Tennant

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JacquiTennant Stuart

once

Probably a purer form than colloquial French of any kind.

Yes. It's stripped of all the little nuances of regional Englishes, to make it more easily understood, and is used in business and academic "transactions" as a lingua franca.

Jac

Tennant StuartJacqui

In article , "Jacqui" wrote:

Wherefrom comes its authority? An academy as for French French, or a dictionary perhaps by OUP?

Tennant

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JacquiTennant Stuart

Tennant Stuart wrote

to

Dunno, but we've got a centre for it at our Uni... I'll make some enquiries next time I'm up there during office hours. Probably a dictionary.

Jac

Tennant StuartJacqui

In article , "Jacqui" wrote:

Thanks.

Thinks - TOUCHIE

The Oxford University Cent?? Handling International English.

What would the '??' be, Jacqui?

Tennant

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Tennant StuartJacqui

In article , "Jacqui" wrote:

Yay! Sorry you US folks!

Tennant :)

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HelenaHelena
FRIENDS RULES C+M forever and ever !!! Activia wrote in message news:[email]... Helena wrote:
ActiviaHelena

Helena wrote:

      Act..  We don;t add "u"s..  we just keep the "u"s  as the words
were originally invented
        but it is cool that our countries spell things differently,
otherwise it would
  This is true..I never knew there was a different way of spelling these
words till I started chatting on the net...I just think of it as adding
them but you're right we just take them away. The british accent is
kinda kewl.
  ~Act

lets just face it.. the USA and the UK are just sooo cool their accents rule.. although I do like the Auzzie accent.. the way they say "g'day" and "bonza" is great. !!

YEa I like the Aussie accent too!!! ~Act

Da_LaughtermanActivia

I think the Irish accent is the coolest, well some of the Irish accents. The way we like to stretch one syllable it is so cool. We use mostly the British words, with a few taken from the Irish language, like craic (pronounced crack) meaning fun (not drugs), or whiskey (coming from uisce beatha, water of life!!!). There are some cool British accents, like Damon Hill, I think there would be a lot less confusion in the world if everyone talked like him. The coolest American accent, Jay Leno.

HelenaDa_Laughterman

Da_Laughterman wrote in message news:Q4vF4.822$[email]...

The

British

water

be

When I was in Cork they had the coolest accents. Not the people who had a strong Cork accent cos I couldn;t understand it, but those with a genuine accent.. it was sooo lovely..especially the men's accents.. they are really soft and poetic

anyway.. sorry for going off topic

JacquiDa_Laughterman

Da_Laughterman wrote

We use mostly the British

which leads to one of the funniest jokes in "Empire State" by Colin Bateman (the author of Divorcing Jack). I'm not going to explain it - go read it!

Jac

Tennant StuartJacqui

In article , "Jacqui" wrote:

I had to read that three times - the paragraph not the book - before I stopped seeing the name "Batman" in there!

Tennant

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clark???

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Coca-ColaPeachLilli

of

talk

that

I could have gone for a more north sounding American accent but it takes time for me to ease myself into it and time was one thing I didn't have. After all I've had a lot of practice with the Texan one. Besides shouldn't the Friends lot all be speaking with a vaguely New York accent?

Jon - Going vaguely on topic.

You didn't have time!? You had two hours!

I guess they should, but none of them do

Larissa

RavenCoca-Cola

I heard Jonathan's cries on the wind...

BTW, ignoring the Confederacy for a moment, didn't Texas spend a little time independent?

Should be, yeah, but as I recall, only Joey has even slightly what would be considered an NY accent.

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html
RavenRaven

I heard Activia's cries on the wind...

Actually, yeah, I've been to NY, and to Manhattan... but I was basing my post on something someone else posted a while ago, before your time.

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html
Tennant StuartRaven

In article , Raven wrote:

Ross claims that he speaks with a Long Island accent, which must mean that Monica & Rachel do too. The actors might not be performing this though.

Tennant

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LaurieClaire Abraham

Claire Abraham wrote:

I'm a transplanted 'yankee'. Lived in Houston for 31 years now. Yikes!

Laurie

JacquiClaire Abraham

My-American-Accent-Sounds-Like-I'm-From-Texas-For-No-Apparent-Reason,

On a tangent, I worked with a Bill from Texas once, but he sounded the spit of Loyd Grossman, who I believe is a New Englander. Obviously it was his idea of "posh" although he swore blind it was a genuine accent.

(Are any of the accents in Dallas "real" Texas accents?)

Jac

Based on real life. Hows that for an obscure answer

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ActiviaJacqui

I dont know him but did you check to see if he really was? There is no mixing up an New Englander accent to a southern one!

who I believe is a New Englander. Obviously it

I've been to Texas many times..and the accent is extremely strong there..have you ever traveled down the east coast? I have and its funny how the accent gets changed slightly through every state.. ~Act

JacquiActivia

the

I know! He was definitely from Abilene, TX, and yet he sounded identical to Grossman (with your eyes closed it was hard to tell them apart). We even taped them both (Masterchef from the TV, Bill in the office) and replayed them to him...

Jac

ActiviaJacqui

He's in denial! ~Act

RavenCoca-Cola

I heard Jonathan's cries on the wind...

<shrug> Not everyone has infinite free time. Speaking of which, I'm on holiday at the moment, until the end of April (at this specific moment I'm in Arizona, but going home on the 30th via Vegas), so if the Awards team need an extra pen then drop me a line and I'll see what I can do.

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html
PeachLilliRaven

Yay, Arizona! Did I tell you you're staying in the city that's typically stereotyped as the most snobbish place around the Phoenix area? If you go to Scottsdale Fashion Square, compared with pretty much any other mall in the Phoenix area, you might see what I mean. :)

Larissa

RavenPeachLilli

I heard PeachLilli's cries on the wind...

I love all the little slogans you have on the city signs, like "Phoenix; best run city in the US" or whatever. That would *never* happen in England.

(Someone's going to correct me now, I bet.)

Fashion Square is the only covered-over mall I've been in. I don't even know what you'd call the other places I've been; what would you consider, say, the Pavilions to be, or the place where Barnes And Noble is?

We drove through Mesa the other day, BTW.

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html
PeachLilliRaven

I'm not going to correct you, I'm just going to say that I haven't seen those signs! Not that they're not there, I just haven't seen them. Really, I do believe that they're there. :)

Umm, just shopping centers? I like more normal malls such as Metro Center, Fiesta Mall, or Superstition Springs Mall better than Fashion Square. Do you have Barnes & Nobles in the UK? Probably not? We have a few around here, and I bet you enjoyed your time there.

Well thanks for stopping by and saying hi! :P Which part of it did you drive through?

Larissa

RavenPeachLilli

I heard PeachLilli's cries on the wind...

It's true! When you go from, say, Scottsdale into Phoenix, there are these signs welcoming you to Phoenix and telling you how lovely it is, or whatever. You probably just don't notice them because you live there, so you don't look for stuff like that, whereas I see it all since I'm a tourist.

Ironically I've only been to one mall, then, but plenty of shopping centres. I've spent quite a lot of time in Tempe since they sell a lot of what I was looking to buy. But yeah, it's been great fun. Have you been up to Hole In The Rock?

Hey, without an address... :-P I mean, I can't just call at every house in Mesa and say "Uh, do you know a girl called Peachlilli?" ;-)

We were just driving (maybe from Tempe, maybe not... my Phoenix geography isn't that hot) and I saw some signs on stores labelling them Mesa General Stores or whatever.

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html
PeachLilliRaven

Okay, sure. Of course they're there. ;)

Nope. Did you go down to Mill Ave. by the ASU campus? Mill is where a lot of the college kids hang out, and there are really nice places to shop and just be.

I'm pretty sure we're the only one in the phone book with our last name... Do you want me to check? Do you really want me to check? <gets phone book and checks> Yup, only one listing for my last name, and you know what's after the name? The address. :) Though it would have been weird if you had just shown up unexpectedly.

Uh... Mesa General Store? We're not like in the 19th century here! :)

Larissa

RavenPeachLilli

I heard PeachLilli's cries on the wind...

Oh, damn. Now I have to spot one and remember exactly what it says and where it is to prove it to you. :-P

Well, I don't know if you jaded young people would appreciate such a thing, but Hole In The Rock gives the best view of city lights I've ever seen.

I think we've been past there, but didn't spend a lot of time there. I've just come back from the Sugarbowl.

<grin> I think there are enough internet weirdos out there without me needing to become a stalker. ;-)

It was just a random example, okay? :-P I'm trying my best here! America is strange and different. Even your Twixes look different.

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PeachLilliRaven

Or, you could have your camera ready, and take a picture. And then when the local people wander by and wonder, "Why the hell is that guy taking a picture of a sign?", you can just start saying anything to them, they'll hear the accent, and be like "Ohh, okay, he's a Brit."

I have a nice view of Phoenix lights from my window. ;) Very convenient, too.

So where exactly were you that you liked shopping at?

Yeah, I could see that...

Larissa's mom: Larissa, there's some guy here to see you.

Larissa: Really? I wasn't expecting anyone. Who?

Mom: I think he called himself some kind of bird. Should I let him in?

Larissa: Um, let me go check.

[Larissa goes to the door and sees a guy dressed all in black]

The Guy: Hi, nice to finally meet you, I'm [the guy pauses for some kind of weird dramatic effect] Raven.

[Larissa looks at Raven strangely]

Larissa: Uh, who?

Raven: You know, Raven.

[Larissa stares at him blankly]

Raven: Raven! From the Internet! I've known you for over a year!

Larissa: Sure. What are you doing here and why are you dressed like one of Satan's minions?

Raven: I, um, just wanted to say hi?

Larissa: I'm going to need to see some ID.

Raven: ID? I left it in my other black trenchcoat!

Larissa: Oh that's such a shame. Bye bye now.

[Door shuts]

I'm just kidding, you realize! At least you called. :) >> > We were just driving (maybe from Tempe, maybe not... my Phoenix >> >geography isn't that hot) and I saw some signs on stores labelling them >> >Mesa General Stores or whatever.
RavenPeachLilli

I heard PeachLilli's cries on the wind...

The sad thing is that that would actually work. We ordered a taxi from the hotel to Fashion Square one morning. The driver heard our accents, and said "So where are you *chaps* from?" I didn't have the heart to tell him how people from Walsall actually address one another usually.

I wish I knew some Phoenix geography. <sigh> We just keep driving around, and, as if by magic, lots of the places I'm starting to recognise occasionally flit by, but never in the same order. I have a sneaking suspicion that you change all the blocks around at night when I'm sleeping, so it's physically impossible for me to learn the city layout.

Most of my best shopping was done in Tempe. I'm a book fanatic, so it was fun to go to Barnes And Noble and Bookstar... but most of my evil studentish stuff came from Tower Records and some book store I can't remember the name of in Tempe.

There's some good music here. We've been hanging out with a sixty-year-old Cannibal Corpse fan (who works for a friend of my Dad). And I've never been anywhere with a decent radio station before. (I am, of course, referring to KUPD.)

LMAO! I *do* have that effect on people, it's true. ;-)

Dad was pretty grumpy by the end of the call. He wanted to go to sleep... But I figured I ought to call successfully at least once before leaving Phoenix. :-) Yep, this morning it's back to Vegas, and then tomorrow flying back to the UK. Then I can get on with my job, and lots of other fun stuff... Have fun with your job! ;-)

Twixes are... bad for some reason?

Uh, not like that, not really, except maybe in some really tiny places. The last place I visited with real General Stores was a town in Malta.

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html
ActiviaRaven

Raven wrote:

I work in a grocery store as a cashier and I hear a lot of different accents suprisingly especially sinceI live in this really small town..The most surprising thing is all the Australian accents then the Brits too. When I talk to them they always look at me strange..hmm..

What are Twixes??

Hey did you get to see a new episode of friends here in the US yet? ~Act

Tennant StuartActivia

In article , Activia wrote:

I was surprised that Americans knew all about Toblerones... :)

Tennant

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ActiviaTennant Stuart

Tennant Stuart wrote:

Oh the candy! Twix candy. And I have seen Toblerones.. I didnt recongize Twix in the plural ~Act

> > Tennant > > --
RavenActivia

I heard Activia's cries on the wind...

Well, coming from Walsall, I just don't expect someone to talk to me spontaneously unless it's to demand money with menaces. ;-)

Chocolate and biscuit fingers? Two in a pack. (Generally.)

Sadly not, no. I was doing so much stuff that I just didn't have time to watch TV at all. I saw a rerun, though, in Vegas. (Which one was it? Damn, I can't remember, but it was an old one. Ooh, I think it was the first episode with Mark in it.)

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html
ActiviaRaven

Raven wrote:

I mean they come up to the register I say hi how are you? or sometimes I'm talking to another costumer thats leaving and I try to continue the conversation with the next person in line hoping they were listening to the conversation I had with the other guy..sometimes I take surveys...HEY I GET BORED OUT OF MY MIND THERE!! I have to find something intersting to do!

Yep I figured it out..if you saw my reply post..I have never seen it in the plural form so I didnt recongize it.

That's too bad..But I guess in a way its good..because then you dont have to worry about spoilers..But hey there is an episode on every night at 11...did you not get back in time for the 11pm ones?..I'm sure you werent back by 7...but I thought some of the times you wouldnt stay out that late EVERY night..ok I'm rambling now.. ~Act

Actually, where I live (and where Raven was), Friends is shown in syndication in a one hour timeslot, from 6-7PM. We don't have it at 11PM. And new episodes are on Thursdays at 7PM.

Larissa

ActiviaPeachLilli

PeachLilli wrote:

You must be in the Central time zone..same as Texas...Yes we have it run for one hour 7-8 but the same episode different channel..are you sure you dont have one run at 10 then? ~Act

I'm in the Mountain time zone right now. One hour ahead of LA. But when everyone goes on Daylight Savings Time soon, I'll be on Pacific time, same as LA. Arizona is one of very few states which doesn't do DST. And yes, I'm sure we don't have one at 10. It comes on from 6-7 on UPN.

Larissa

RavenPeachLilli

I heard PeachLilli's cries on the wind...

When *do* you go on to Daylight Saving? We've already switched.

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html

Pretty soon, I think. Maybe someone who actually *does* it can answer that? I don't have to worry about it, and I'll probably realize it when I'm talking to someone in LA and suddenly we're in the same time zone.

Larissa

RavenActivia

I heard Activia's cries on the wind...

Well, ya see, there you go right away! "How are you?"?! That isn't a question anyone asks me unless I'm paying for their medical opinion on how to improve the answer. If I'm lucky someone might actually tell me the price of whatever I've gone into their shop to buy. If I'm less lucky they'll just glare at me like I'm disturbing their rest and they're doing em a favour by deigning to serve me at all.

Well, having worked for quite a while in a shop, I know how dull it gets behind the counter. But trust me. If you work in England, just adopt a surly glare and preferably snarl at customers. It works round where I live.

Actually, I just didn't have a clue when they'd be on air. We didn't buy a TV guide at any point, and I kept forgetting to ask on ATF. The only time I remembered was when I was being cut off every ten seconds, which isn't quite long enough to log into my nwes account.

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html
PeachLilliRaven

hehe, didn't I tell ya? It's kinda sad the stereotypes that some Americans give to anyone from the UK.

Hey, you're like me! I can't find anything around Phoenix when I get out of about a twenty mile radius from my house. :) I used to be a lot worse, but then my parents had to go and buy me that car, and I had to learn a little geography so I wouldn't get lost.

Tower Records is an interesting place; I was last there about two weeks ago. Sounds like you were pretty near ASU where my dad works.

Yeah, I love our radio stations! KUPD - Arizona's Real Rock. :) KEDJ is also really good. KPTY used to be good too, with the same type of music, but then like a month ago they switched to playing stuff like the Backstreet Boys and 'Nsync all the time. [shudder]

Well, I wouldn't have been so skeptical if you would have let me know you were coming! ;)

Yes, I figured that when you were like "he's making suggestions..."

And free local calls! That must have been a nice change. (Unless you had to pay $0.50 for the call from the hotel, but anyway...)

Oh you know I adore my job! At least I got a raise yesterday. :)

No... it was mock fear. I'll blame the fact that you didn't get that on your awful complimentary Internet connection.

I can't remember the last time I visited one... Maybe out somewhere in the middle of nowhere?

Larissa

RavenPeachLilli

I heard PeachLilli's cries on the wind...

Hee. I'd be tempted to reply with some stereotypes of my own but last time I did that I got an inbox full of angry foreigners who couldn't tell I was joking.

It scares me that there's a twenty mile radius outside your house that's all Phoenix! I actually found a month or two ago to my horror that I'd never been further up my road from the corner than my house (which is the first on the corner), so when I friend drove up there I couldn't give him directions...

Yeah, we drove past the University a few times, and past the stadium once, I think.

Eeeuuurgh! I don't think I heard KEDJ... and from the sounds of it I probably just turned straight past KPTY. ;-) But I had KUPD on all the time while I was there, except when I was just scanning around. Oh, I did listen to KDKB for a while, too, for old times' sake - Dad has a friend tehre who used to tape KDKB and send it to him so Dad could play it in the car since our radio stations suck so much.

So why do Western radio stations begin with a K, anyway?

Hee! Sorry. I'll give it some more thought next time. Of course, I'll need to be awake for that. Jetlag sucks. At the moment my body is waking up at 4pm in the afternoon local time and thinking that's perfectly normal...

I really should have figured out a better way to phrase that, huh.

I don't actually know how muc hthe call cost, to be honest. I didn't look at the bill. (I try not to. Looking at bills always makes me want to stop buying.)

Woohoo! Three cents above minimum wage now? ;-)

Hee. Well, at least this one is rock solid all the time, when I can actually connect to it at all. Half the time it's the world's best connection, the other half there's a busy signal on the phone line. I miss Oxford. (Of course, you know that when I'm back at Oxford I'll be saying, "Oh, damn, the computer room's always full. Hey, the connection in Scottsdale was lousy but at least I could always get a computer.")

'Middle Of Nowhere, Nevada.' I've been there.

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html

Ahem, foreigners? I'm not a foreigner! :P Okay, you can tell me some stereotypes in email sometime. :)

Ohh, I bet it seemed like a really big city, didn't it? If you ever go to LA, you'll be very afraid! And don't worry, I couldn't give anyone directions to anything until I started driving; it helps.

Like it? That's where I'm going next year. I didn't want to go there, but damn the good grades and scholarships I didn't even apply for! Now my parents don't see why they should pay for me to go somewhere else when I can go to ASU for free. Oh well, I can always transfer later.

Aww, I should have told you which radio stations were good, and then you wouldn't have missed it. KZON is another of my favorites. One thing I love about Phoenix is that we have the best radio stations of any city I've been to. (Hey, now I sound like those stuck-up signs you were talking about!) So if your radio stations suck so much that your dad had to get the radio taped over here, what kind of music do yours play?

So as to not confuse them with the Eastern ones that begin with W's?

Nah, when someone's grumpy, someone's grumpy, no matter which way you phrase it.

Yes!!! Actually, let me do the math. <tries unsuccessfully, gets out calculator> Whoo hoo, I'm making a whole $1.60 over minimum wage! ;) Oh well, all I have to do is type and write and surf the net sometimes.

It sounds a little like AOL - half the time you get on, half the time it's busy. See, that's why I leave my computer online all the time even when I'm out. Too much trouble re-signing on. (Oh yeah, and there's a *reason* you could always get a computer in Scottsdale.)

Fun place, huh?

Larissa

RavenPeachLilli

I heard PeachLilli's cries on the wind...

Sure y'are. ;-) It's like Aaron said when he was opening the Oxford Union Debating Workshops; we were discussing accents and clear enunciation, and he said "Your accent is foreign, mine isn't." (He was addressing a group of students, some from England, some from Scotland, one from Bangladesh, etc., and was himself from somewhere a lot further east than Italy.)

Aw, man, now I'm going to be branded a racist. I hate that.

I'd actually love to go to LA at some point. I'll remember to take some anti-stress pills.

I can do some directions... actually, I can do a lot more in Oxford than I can at home.

Ah. Well, I'm paying for my own education now, but even when I wasn't I was fortunate enough to be given the choice. The only place I wasn't allowed to go was Manchester, because of the drugs.

I have to admit, given the choice between KUPD and the Vegas station Extreme (which played pretty similar music), I'd go with KUPD.

Have you seen any of those yet? I swear they exist.

Depends on the station, obviously... Umm... We have a bunch of national stations as well as local ones. The one I actually have on most is Classic FM, purely because it doesn't play Britney Spears, N-Sync or the Spice Girls every few minutes. But rock is very rare (except in trendy brit-pop packaging, or whatever they're calling it these days), and metal just doesn't exist.

I'll probably get flamed by a bunch of teenyboppers now who love UK radio.

I think some of the stations like BBC Radio 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 webcast, somewhere, but I wouldn't know where. I don't care enough to look, either. Sorry 'bout that.

Ah, the Microsoft help file answer. Perfectly correct and entirely useless. ;-)

I'm basically doing that now, as well. Professional web site design... whee! Being paid for building web pages. A good way to spend a holiday, methinks...

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html

Yeah whatever, foreigner! ;)

No you're not, look at my last comment! If anything, people will start to hate *me* now. (You know, if they hadn't before.)

Or, some anti-stress mints. (Though I don't think those really work - last night I was out on a double date type thing, and my friend kept eating those mints, and later she was like, "You know, those things don't work!") Anyway, tell me if you ever go to LA, and if Friends is still on, maybe I can take you to a filming. :)

I could have also gone to U of A or NAU free, so I did have somewhat of a choice... I didn't fill out any scholarship applications at all, or I probably could have gone somewhere out of state. I'm such a lazy ass when it comes to some stuff! I don't really mind staying around here though, because my parents give me almost no rules.

No I haven't. Did you remember to take a picture for me? (Of *course* they exist.)

Yuck, I don't know what I'd do. :( Ooh, sorry. You'd probably get used to it eventually, I suppose. Or just buy lots of metal CD's.

It's okay. I don't really care enough, either. :)

Excuse me, but Macs' help file answers are just as useless! (I have to use a Mac at work. :( )

Larissa

RavenPeachLilli

I heard PeachLilli's cries on the wind...

Same to you, foreigner! ;-)

Aw, no one hates you. You're lovely. You post on topic and you keep the unpleasant elements of the group (like me) confined to a few narrow threads where they can't do much damage.

I'll give you a call if I'm ever in town again. I don't think it'll be for a while, though. There's no way I'll be able to afford to go overseas for a few years.

Argh, so lucky!

I ran out of film at Casa Grande, I'm afraid. :-( I could get Rick to take a shot with his digital camera, though...

(Hey, you can see Rick. Go to www.flyingbuffalo.com - if it doesn't work, try it again right away. Sometimes it's weird.)

I have somewhere upwards of seventy. ;-) And I brought back five with me. CDs and books are lots cheaper there than here. I spent about $250, I think...

Hee!

Poor thing. What I don't get about Macs is why they don't have a disk eject button or a reset button. 'Cos when they crash, trapping your floppy in the drive, and you can't get at the mains power because it's a Uni computer room and they don't like people electrocuting themselves, you can't get the damned disk out!

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html

Wow. Some people can be so mean-spirited! ;)

Hey, I only post on topic some of the time... it's mostly been off lately. And I don't keep you confined here - if you didn't hate arguing, I'd say go post on topic!

I know! Right now I'm trying to think of any specific rule I have, and I'm failing... Hmm, I'm sure I have some. Ask me something if you really want to know.

Well, isn't *that* convenient?

Did he take any shots of *you* with his digital camera?

Okay, I'll go there after I post this.

So in other words, when I go to the UK someday, I shouldn't expect to do a lot of shopping?

I can honestly say I've never had *that* happen before... (And you called *me* "poor thing"?)

Larissa

RavenPeachLilli

I heard PeachLilli's cries on the wind...

Only foreigners, though. You wouldn't get that here. ;-)

I think Tennant just proved my point. :-) About you, anyway. I've answered the other question elsewhere.

<grin> This is one we can take to email.

Sorry!

Nope! There's one on the old website for my Dad's company where you can see me facing away from the camera looking at some stuff on the shelves, but that's about it.

And isn't it nice?

Basically, for books and CDs, especially books, take the price in dollars, say $7 for a paperback, and then convert that directly to pounds without using an exchange rate. So your $7 paperback is GBP7. (This silly Unix system has no Sterling key.) With an exchange rate of, say, $1.67 to GBP1, that works out at $11.69. It isn't so severe for CDs (there aren't many GBP16 CDs, for instance, although the numbers of them seem to be increasing, and GBP14 is the standard at my local CD shop - talking about little shops here, not chains like HMV), but it's still pretty bad.

Happened when I was trying to upload my website. I was logging into the server and preparing to upload, and decided to browse the disk at the same time. I should've known that was a mistake, because the Mac promptly crashed. I know all the keyboard shortcuts that usually rescue a Mac from a crash, and they didn't work. Neither did pressing any of the power buttons, or even holding them down. I couldn't get at the plug since it was tucked behind a load of metal, and I couldn't rip out the opwer cable with my bare hands because the Mac won't let you.

I had to wait until the IT engineer pulled the fuse overnight and then rebooted the whole power to the room the next morning.

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html

Nor here. Damn those foreigners!

Yeah. Which, btw, I'm still waiting for. :P (I know, I know - you're busy.)

Of *course* you are!

Oh yeah, I remember you talking about all those pictures that got taken of you from behind. Where's the website for your dad's company? (You can email that if you want.)

The picture or the site?

Yeah, that *is* kinda bad. Where did you go to buy your CD's here? Best Buy and Circuit City have the best prices. Normally $13 max, usually less.

Ouch. So did you wait outside the computer room all night, just so someone wouldn't lose your disk?

Larissa

RavenPeachLilli

I heard PeachLilli's cries on the wind...

Naw, I might as well take the opportunity to plug the website. The redirect URL is

http://go.to/dungeonsandstarships/

Some people seem to have trouble with redirects, so the home address is

http://www.flyingbuffalo.com/dunstar.htm

(Yep, Rick hosts the site for us at present.)

That site's being torn down soon, though. I'm working on its successor right now. Or, at least, would be if I weren't on Usenet. ;-)

Any of the above? ;-)

Umm... I think we went in Tower Records and Zia's. (Is that the right spelling? It's in Tempe, and it's plugged on KUPD lots.)

Nope. I went to bed and woke myself up horribly early, so I could get over to the computer room before it opened. The main computer room is closed from 11pm to 9am daily.

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html

Oh sure, blame it on me. ;) I did go to the site, though.

Yep. :) But I think your site is better. And thanks for crediting me on it, btw! I wasn't expecting that.

Maybe? I don't think I've been to Zia's.

Okay, getting up before 9am does not seem "horribly early" to me... And I'm not even a morning person. Sometimes messages I post in the morning don't make a whole lot of sense, even to me. :)

Larissa

RavenPeachLilli

I heard PeachLilli's cries on the wind...

Yay! I'll send you the URL for the new one when it's uploaded. (The old site address will still have a page pointing to the new one, but I'll give you a direct link.)

Thanks! To be quite honest, I'm not fantastically keen on the way Rick's sites are organised. (He wrote the old D&S website as well as his own.) It's all a bit haphazard for my liking. When I go to a site I want to be able to see straight away where everything I need is, rather than being forced to explore the whole site to find the bit I'm looking for. That's why there's a sidebar site map on my website, and why there'll be another site map on the new one.

Hey, you're welcome! You helped out while we were putting it together, and I figured Greg wouldn't bother to credit any of the people I emailed for help.

(BTW, for anyone still following this thread who wants to see the site we're talking about, it's the St John's College Alternative Prospectus website, at

http://www.sjc.ox.ac.uk/altprospectus/

(I think!)

I can't remember if it had another letter in the name... but that's how it's pronounced.

You do have to factor in half an hour spent doing tai chi internal exercises, though, which are some of the most strenuous exercises I've ever seen in my life. They tend to leave me unable to go up or down stairs for twenty minutes after doing them.

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html

Okay! Will it have more pictures of you from behind? Get some from the front! You know, just seeing you from behind, you look like one of my brother's really good friends. Except he tends to incorporate color into his wardrobe.

Yeah, I like frames a lot better too. They make sites look a lot more organized, and quicker to navigate.

Did that actually help? I thought my computer was being psycho, because the times differed so much.

<left in for blatant plug>

Yeah, I've definitely heard of it, just haven't been there.

You have a really good reason for doing them, right?

Larissa

RavenPeachLilli

I heard PeachLilli's cries on the wind...

But, alas, we don't have a digital camera.

Hey, I'm wearing a green silk jacket! And right now I have a (dark) blue sweater on. Only the vast, vast majority of my clothes are black.

The trouble is that I'll probably have to write a noframes version anyway, for people with antiquated and/or low-tech browsers. Did you look at the no-frames version of the Naked Truth site? I tried to make it as easy to navigate as possible, with maps at the top and bottom of the page.

Nah. We figured out what was happening. (We think it was caching from your hard drive the second time. It was the first one we wanted anyway.)

Yippee! Thanks. :-)

They make me really healthy! Once I can walk down stairs again, anyway.

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html
JacquiRaven

Quoth the Raven

Just to set your hair off to its full effect, eh? ;)

Nice site. Needs more pics though.

Jac PS having just reread Barnaby Rudge on the way to work this week, I'm afraid I may refer to you as Grip from time to time. My mind works that way.

RavenRaven

I heard PeachLilli's cries on the wind...

Actually, there isn't a free one available to students that I know of... But one of my friends has one. (Bugger. Shouldn't tell you that.)

Yeah. I mean, only *some* days am I wearing entirely black. I've even been known to wear very light grey. (From a distance it almost looks like a light colour.)

Worryingly, in a couple of weeks I may end up wearing entirely white.

Figures. I don't know why I wrote that thing, really... Well, I do know, but sometimes it just seems so pointless.

I think we're getting to the stage where it's just silly now. ;-)

You mean like in my room on the third floor five minutes before lectures, which is when I usually do them?

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html
JacquiRaven

Oxford

That's "university" :)

Hey, up the road we've got about 4 accessible scanners... but then we've generally got much better compserv than you anyway :P :)

are

looks

Then let's hope it stops snowing...

Jac

Here we could say "school" too. Just another of the language differences between the US and UK.

Larissa

Tennant StuartPeachLilli

In article , [email] (PeachLilli) wrote:

In some old Hollywood movies, you hear about people going to Oxford, but from the context it seems that they don't mean in England. Where?

Tennant

Greetings to family, friends, and neighbours from [email]
JacquiTennant Stuart

but

Mississippi? From what I remember they named a city Oxford in a bid to attract the funding for the state University, and got it. U of Miss is in Oxford, yes? Anyone?

Jac

Tennant StuartJacqui

In article , "Jacqui" wrote:

Was this before the 1930s?

Tennant

Greetings to family, friends, and neighbours from [email]
PeachLilliRaven

Ooh, now I know! You realize I'm going to be annoying you about that for a while, right?

Oh wow! Light grey... Ever wear anything red, orange, yellow, purple, or of those types of shades? I'm thinking no. But that's okay, dark colors are good.

Why, exactly?

I'm sure *some* people with incredibly ancient browsers are thankful for that. :)

I don't think that's really ever been a problem here on ATF!

Yeah, maybe. You're so smart! ;)

Larissa

RavenPeachLilli

I heard PeachLilli's cries on the wind...

Right. I've finished putting together the website. It isn't uploaded yet (tonight I need to teach Dad how to use the software to update the catalogue...), *but* there's a picture of me on it now. Heeheeheeheehee...

If it's a dark purple I'd consider it... Actually, I have a dark purple shirt. Red? Orange?! YELLOW?!?!?! Ew! No.

For effect. With any luck, my character in the current Vampire game at Uni is about to undergo a serious change of pace. I've worn purely black for the last year or so of game-time. Wearing all-white will make a point quite nicely.

I have a friend who browses using lynx - a UNIX text-only browser.

Well, that's certainly true.

Teehee. Me stoopid. Too many exercises starve my brain of oxygen. Duh. Drool.

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html
PeachLilliRaven

"Now" being the key word? I wonder if it will be taken off by the time it's uploaded...

hehe. Okay, I guess I was just naming colors. I only have one yellow shirt, and it has cute little flowers on it. I can't really see guys wearing that much yellow...

Oh. I see. You think people might start thinking you're a little strange? ;)

Look what's still there!

Ew, don't drool. You'll slip on the stairs.

Larissa

RavenPeachLilli

I heard PeachLilli's cries on the wind...

Nay, it shall remain. Upload should be taking place Real Soon Now. Deatils posted as and when... (Are you excited? I'm excited!)

Oh, *now* I get the game! ;-)

Cute. <shudder> Flowers. <wince> Yellow. <whimper> Cute little flowers on a yellow shirt. <sound of door slamming>

I'm a member of the Role-Playing society. That's virtually a given.

Isn't it weird how it keeps on staying there?

I bet sliding down them would be a lot faster than walking. Less time == less pain.

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html
PeachLilliRaven

Ooh yeah! (That's the URL you sent me a couple days ago, right? I didn't see you there...)

Your turn! :)

Yes but it's okay because I'm a *girl*! Don't insult the cute little flowers!

Ah. I understand everything now. ;)

A little strange!

What are you going to slide down the stairs on? You can't have nothing to slide down on, or else you'd hurt your ass, and it would probably take a little while to maneuver yourself onto whatever you're sliding on, so I think it's better to walk.

Larissa

RavenPeachLilli

I heard PeachLilli's cries on the wind...

http://www.dungeonsandstarships.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/

We're getting a redirect soon. And there's a genuine, bona fide picture of me, on the Credits page. Heeeeeee.

Mauve, paisley, aquamarine. ;-)

<backing away slowly> Just keep them away from me.

Just another of those mysteries of ATF, I guess.

I *could* just jump.

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html
Coca-ColaRaven

Matt I never knew you were a blonde blob.

Jon

RavenCoca-Cola

I heard Jonathan's cries on the wind...

It's a lot longer than that now. I'm really more of a yeti.

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html
Coca-ColaRaven

A blonde yeti. For a raven you've got unusually fair feathers.

Jon

Tennant StuartRaven

In article , Raven wrote:

Don't go in the basement then...

Or, come to think of it, do!

Tennant

Greetings to family, friends, and neighbours from [email]
Tennant StuartRaven

In article , Raven wrote:

Hey, I think I've been in your shop, a friend bought Napoleonic figures.

Tennant

Greetings to family, friends, and neighbours from [email]
RavenTennant Stuart

I heard Tennant Stuart's cries on the wind...

That sounds about right! I don't suppose you remember when you were there? I spent some time working there myself.

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html
Tennant StuartRaven

In article , Raven wrote:

Ooh, it was several years ago. If there were any young lads in the shop at the time I wouldn't have noticed them. I asked if the figures were Hussars: both the shopkeeper & my friend gave me patient looks...

Last time I saw it, my friend had built this huge scale model of Anglesey in his garage, but it represented a country in between France & Germany. I did once participate in the Simulation of Warfare - unfortunately I treated the exercise as a board game, leading a brave band of Prussian guerillas who leapt out of bushes to kill the English. Despite 'winning', I was told nobody fought like that in the early 19th century, and wasn't invited again... :)

Tennant

Greetings to family, friends, and neighbours from [email]
RavenTennant Stuart

I heard Tennant Stuart's cries on the wind...

Several years ago was well before my time there. :-) In fact, the shopkeeper back then might well have been Roger, who has now left the shop, bless him.

Bah! :-) If you won, then clearly that's how they *should* have fought back then...

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html
Coca-ColaRaven

That's so unfair, some of us have to work at it constantly, it doesn't come natural to us.

J

Coca-ColaPeachLilli

Sorry did I interrupt the rough guide to Arizona?

come

It's nice to see some gain for all that pain. :)

Jon

RavenCoca-Cola

I heard Jonathan's cries on the wind...

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realise ATF was your personal group to fill with bullshit as you wish. I'll keep my off-topic out of your off-topic threads in future, SIR!

Quit stirring, Jonny.

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html
Coca-ColaRaven

<Shoves large industrial block of soap into Matt's beak>

And yet you still bite, I thought you'd killfiled me.

Jon

RavenCoca-Cola

I heard Jonathan's cries on the wind...

I have to admit, that's unusually inventive. For you.

Jesus. Do something about your grammar. But anyway, to reply to your "point". Could you show me a post in which I ever said I'd actually killfiled you? No.

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html
Coca-ColaRaven

No its Jon, I don't tend t walk on water that well. <Hears Riz groan but carries on regardless.>

It's for identification purposes, y'know just in case I create another fictional character in my plot for world domination.

I don't point, it's rude!

Jon

Damn, now I'm ashamed to say I actually laughed at that!

How does that help you? Your character would also have bad grammar and it would be really obvious... And that would be a *bad* thing for you.

Larissa

Coca-ColaPeachLilli

[Ray of light shines down through the dark skies] Halle-lu-jah!!! [Backflips] Whoohoo!!! :)

[Clicks fingers] So that's where I've been going wrong all ths time. :)

Jon

Yeah really, what the hell happened there? I think it's because it wasn't like a pure pun.

Yup. Should have used a spellcheck! :P

Larissa

Coca-ColaPeachLilli

but

So maybe that didn't happen but there were solo Mexican Waves going on.

What? How wasn't it pure? It didn't wear white? It disgraced itself in some way? Been seen round town with the bad crowd?

it

I'll resist from the bad spelling jokes.

Jon

Like with margaritas and lots of tequila? That could explain the hallucination.

It moved to LA, started hanging around Sunset Blvd at night, saw how much money its new friends were making, and decided to become a streetwalker itself.

Larissa

Coca-ColaPeachLilli

Possibly but not what I was doing drinking the Margarets and Ritas. :)

some

money

#It's the Queen of Hollywood

Jon

RavenCoca-Cola

I heard Jonathan's cries on the wind...

I see. So is that why your fanfics are so ... eclectic in the grammar department, as well? Or perhaps you come from the MayNotLast "Grammar Doesn't Matter" school of writing.

I think I'm actually going to stop replying to you until you produce something that isn't a shallow troll peppered with jokes that aren't especially funny. You know, replying to someone's post snipping the part where they destroy your argument isn't very convincing unless you do it without anyone noticing.

(For what it's worth, all I snipped from this post was what I believe Jon considers a joke.)

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html

I guess some people can make okay livings without being grammar perfect. ;) And you know what you'll probably consider sad? He's actually the most grammatically correct person who IM's me. (Don't think I didn't notice what you did with the name, so that... you know... and thanks. Oh, and remember that thing that I said I hated the fact that it could happen? Yeah, it happened. But it's okay. This post is becoming very cryptic!)

He did that to me months ago... very annoying! And *I* noticed!

Larissa

RavenPeachLilli

I heard PeachLilli's cries on the wind...

	:-)

He only writes/wrote dialogue and stage directions anyway, though. I seem to recall us discussing this one before.

I stopped using IRC after a while. I figured it was destroying my ability to write English.

At this point I'm going to have to say "Moo?" I'm afraid that over the last two days I've bagged a grand total of four hours' sleep, so subtleties are flying right over my head. :-( Sorry. Feel free to go to email in an attempt to beat some understanding into me, though.

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html

Yup, I don't think we ever agreed on that one. I wonder what ever happened to that discussion! Snipped for peace, maybe?

Ever used AIM? It's kinda like ICQ when you're just sending normal messages. He's usually very grammatically correct in IM's.

Okay, maybe. After I'm done posting... You're going to find that it doesn't matter a whole lot, though!

Larissa

RavenPeachLilli

I heard PeachLilli's cries on the wind...

I think it swerved around until it was tangential enough that we weren't arguing any more. That happens quite a lot too...

Never used it, but have it installed on my Dad's machine. Actually, I think my copy of ICQ is back up again now, as well, but I haven't tried that lately either. Dad hates it because it screws up the layout of his desktop.

Actually, I got the mail, and everything makes sense now. Thanks. :-)

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html

Well, maybe we made it tangential enough on purpose, for the sake of peace.

I'd say you should use it, but you still have pretty limited internet time to actually be online, don't you?

Ugh, I know how that is. Before my parents bought me my own computer and I always had to use theirs, I couldn't use certain programs because the programs would do something to the desktop... And never mind pretty colors or wallpaper.

No problem. Glad it helped! :)

Larissa

RavenPeachLilli

I heard PeachLilli's cries on the wind...

I think I tend to do that these days. I rarely cut anything unless I know that no good will ever come of replying to it.

Actually, there aren't any official regulations about that any more, I don't think, but I try to keep it down as much as possible so it doesn't cost too much. Roll on Altavista's unmetered service!

At the moment I'm building a website, as you know, and I have to keep switching video res to test out the site. I normally use 1024x768, so switching to a lower res squashes all my icons into a little box. The effect is quite comical when I go down to 640x480 and back again. Thank heaven for the Matrox Millennium software - it lets you save the position of all desktop icons, and then it'll restore it at the click of a button.

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html
ActiviaRaven

Sometimes people (myself including) have improper grammer in fanfics to show more emphisis or write how you would hear it so you could understand it more. For example Joey's "How you doin'?" in proper english it would be How are you doing? Which would you use..see the difference? Unless you mean in stage directions.. ~Act

Tennant StuartActivia

In article , Activia wrote:

Or when writing for Ross. :)

Tennant

Greetings to family, friends, and neighbours from [email]
RavenActivia

I heard Activia's cries on the wind...

I wasn't referring to dialogue, which, if it is to be realistic, is almost by definition not grammatically correct. But the prose surrounding the dialogue should generally be correct. There are examples where authors use weakened styles to convey a certain atmosphere, e.g. William Gibson, Neal Stephenson, but that really wasn't what Jon was doing.

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html
Coca-ColaRaven

I've written fanfics? Wow! I've heard of sleep walking but sleep writing? Gotta check them out sometime.

writing.

I am him! <Insert dramatic music>

Professor come quick! It appears the subject is actually learning.

I like my troll with a little coriander sprinkled on top and then baked in an oven at gas mark 7 for about half an hour.

snipping the

In the words of Britney, oops I did it again.

I consider a joke to be; A horse walks into a bar and the barman asks, 'Why the long face?'

Jon

ActiviaCoca-Cola

<snips out everything BUT the joke> You're hilarious Jon! I enjoy reading your posts. ~Act

Hey look Jon! Now you've got one of your own! ;)

Larissa

Coca-ColaPeachLilli

Yes it is somewhat concerning isn't it. Now that somebody actually thinks I'm good I'm under all kinds of pressures to perform and I don't think I'll be able to manage my normal rock hard stance. I'll just splurt out something like 'Flaagghhn!' at the wrong moment.

Jon

Coca-ColaActivia

'Why

I'm sorry to disapoint you but I ripped that out of Hotshorts: Part Deux. Plagiarism, gotta love it.

Hey, how you doin'? . . . . . You're female aren't you? :)

Jon

Webtreks, fanfics... Almost the same thing?

I may have to shoot myself now!

Larissa

I could be mistaken, but I think people would have most likely killed that *thread* we were in, not us. Hmm, now I wonder how many people still have me killfiled because of all my off topic posting from last year.

Larissa

Tennant StuartPeachLilli

In article , [email] (PeachLilli) wrote:

And what a loss that would be.

Tennant, (I am not being sarcastic BTW)

Greetings to family, friends, and neighbours from [email]

I guess if I'm still killfiled, the stuff worth reading gets quoted, and then people read it regardless, quoted in other people's posts.

Thanks. And yeah, I didn't think you were being sarcastic there... That would be more of a Jon-type thing.

Larissa

Coca-ColaPeachLilli

would

I have my own type, I feel so honoured.

Jon

Oh, you've *always* had your own type, one way or another. ;)

Larissa

Coca-ColaPeachLilli

LOL! Two for two, you been training or something?

Jon

Nope. Sure you're not drunk or something? (It wasn't *that* funny.)

Larissa

Coca-ColaPeachLilli

I just don't expect you to be funny . . . . well not it that way. :)

Jon

Thanks a *lot*! (Yeah, like the smiley really helps.) :P

Larissa

Coca-ColaTennant Stuart

Ten you sweet talker, you devil. Hey Riz someone is attempting to kiss your ass over here!

Jon

Thank you so much for the update, Jon! And take a lesson from Tennant. ;)

Larissa

Coca-ColaPeachLilli

your

Do you really want to see my lips on your ass? :)

Jon

Coca-ColaPeachLilli

LOL! (and yes I did) So what was that? :)

Jon

What was what? That puckering noise I heard? You should know!

Larissa

Coca-ColaPeachLilli

Was that just a quip?

That was the monkey, well you weren't looking. Although I think it expects you to pick the fleas out of its coat now.

Jon

From: "Jonathan" [email]

Was that just a quip?

Coca-ColaPeachLilli

You being funny? Well not that kind . . . . I've done this one before haven't I?

expects

I don't now, you've got em. :)

Jon

Coca-ColaPeachLilli

They killed the thread? Those b*****ds! Why does that sound familiar?

Sheesh, harsh audience.

Jon

Guess what else I don't watch!

Their loss. :) (I *know*.)

Larissa

Coca-ColaPeachLilli

Nor do I and you probably could guess why.

Glad somebody does. :)

Jon

It's all the swearing, isn't it?

And apparently I'm the *only* one...

Larissa

Coca-ColaPeachLilli

Not exactly, but close.

But it takes at least two to tango. More and it gets a little weird, a bit funky but totally possible. :)

Jon

Closest I'm going to get?

Are you speaking from your own personal experience here?

Larissa

Coca-ColaPeachLilli

No you could do better.

bit

Well you experienced a bit of it last night. :)

Jon

JacquiRaven

happen

Ahem. The Oxford sign used to say "Britain in Bloom winner - 199x" for however many years it was that we kept winning. I don't know if it's still there. It also has a lot of lovely information about our twin towns and so on.... Do you come in by road or rail? Take a look when you next come up.

Jac ;)
RavenJacqui

I heard Jacqui's cries on the wind...

It never fails. Some people just can't resist a challenge. ;-)

Hey, Jac. How's things?

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html
JacquiRaven

Being away for 10 days was beginning to dull my pedantic edge...

Not bad, not bad. Have been worse. I believe you owe me some e-mail...

Jac

RavenJacqui

I heard Jacqui's cries on the wind...

Then I must provide you with more targets. ;-)

Scream. My apologies. It's very distinctly possible. I owe roughly a hundred people email at the moment. As soon as this job interview's out of the way I'll make a start on it all.

Raven "Maybe I always knew / My fragile dreams would be broken for you" - Danny Cavanagh Alt.Tv.Friends posting FAQ : http://members.aol.com/bradbb/atfnet.html

ANd I'll shall get "Most Tactless Poster" and "Worst Poster" Yet again. Well, the only way I could REALLY REALLY REALLY Get worst poster on earth is if I went to an n' sync board.

~Ashley* "I'm buying their album just for this song." "Oh, god! This song blows, so do all their Songs."

My friend on N'sync's "Bye Bye Bye"

Coca-ColaPeachLilli

Because I couldn't think of a bad one and believe it or not there were worse ones.

Jon

Uh... yeah. <turns away from the patient and whispers> Doctor, he's gone delusional again.

Larissa

Coca-ColaPeachLilli

can

Doctor: Don't worry, I've got a special room waiting for him. By the way has anybody told you that you've got the most beautiful eyes?

[Riz swoons]

Doctor [While pushing the patient away]: Maybe we could have dinner sometime.

Riz: Sure that'd be nice [Doctor and patient disapear round a corner] . . . . . . Hey, what's your name.

<FX: Chevy starting up and pulling away>

Jon

Okay, you need to work on clarification! First the doctor pushes the patient away, but then the doctor and patient disappear around a corner? Huh?

Bye bye, Miss American Pie...

Larissa

Tennant StuartAlanna Regan

In article , [email] (PeachLilli) wrote:

Okey dokey. Still lolling though. :-)

Tennant

Greetings to family, friends, and neighbours from [email]
Coca-Cola

read

The other party across the hall, it's deadly boring and the host is fanatical about the getting the click when putting the tops back on pens.

Jon (Who wonders if anybody is up for a game of vollyball.)

ActiviaCoca-Cola

I found a worse speller then me. ~Act

PeachLilli

Hey, be happy I was so nice then!

Ew, you know you're making this sound really bad? ;)

Larissa (who's glad that if the other party is reading, at least they're not commenting!)

Coca-ColaPeachLilli

me.

That's probably because there was still somebody there to carry on where I left off. (which I think I should at this point in time say was a conversation)

you

Totally the truth though, which is slightly scary.

Jon

Thank you! People were starting to think something untrue! Okay, not just "starting."

Nuh uh! I was totally not trying to get rid of you!

Larissa

Coca-ColaPeachLilli

I

just

Not even starting, how many people do you think actually read our exchanges?

You were practically shoving me out of the door.

Jon (Who just ran out of momentum.)

ActiviaCoca-Cola

*giggles in background* ~Act

Coca-ColaActivia

exchanges?

Okay that's one.

Jon

ActiviaCoca-Cola

Oh shoot have I been caught? *gasp* I swear I'm not an easedropper!!

~Act

Just us and our fans. A total of four people. :)

I have *never* done that!

Larissa (not that I could...)

ActiviaPeachLilli

ohhhh now I'm a "fan". Are you cool enough yet or do I need to go up a notch in speed?

~Act