Friends S09-24 - homo erectus

May 25, 2003, 6:18 AM ET201 posts by 16 posters
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Tennant Stuart

PLEASE note that this is about the *second* part of the finale.

If you have any comments about part 1, please refer to my review "Friends S09-23 - 88 little piggies". Many thanks.

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And having got big, it just kept getting bigger!

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924 "TOI Barbados (part 2)"

The morning of the third day at the Barbados conference is beautifully sunny, but alas the friends cannot enjoy it since they have to attend the keynote speech. However, Dr.Geller does well, thanks to Charlie's writing, some clear visual aids, and the odd palaeontological joke.

Monica, Phoebe & Mike listen politely, and Chandler tries to restrain himself; but frustrated beach babe Rachel just can't sit still, without making bitchy comments. As the speech turns to homo erectus, Charlie is upset that Joey finds "erectus" funny, while Rachel giggles at "homo".

Once Dr.Geller concludes, he runs to hug Phoebe as she congratulates him, but then he's pulled aside by an adoring Professor Oberblau who admires the man more than the speech. Ross is glad that Charlie was there to inspire him, making her feel like his groupie - and when he jokes about finding her naked in his room, she catches her breath.

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The others hope to hit the beach at last, but the heavy rain resumes, so Mike suggests they play Ping Pong in the games room. Monica's eyes light up, so Chandler & Phoebe remind her of the last time that they played - when she pinched them, then clunked their heads together.

However, Mike is not afraid to play her, since after he wins the first point, he informs Monica that he's awesome. As she becomes increasingly competitive, Chandler has to stop his wife from playing for money; then Mike the ex-lawyer disallows Monica's first point on a technicality.

Though Monica eventually wins the game, Phoebe is turned on by Mike's aggression; while Chandler recoils from his sweaty wife, whose hair is getting bigger. Then to Monica's despair, Mike levels the score.

After three hour's play, the deciding game remains tied for a further hour, and even Phoebe's enthusiasm has waned; while Chandler protests to Monica that her hand is blistered, she can hardly stand, and her hair has now become so huge that it's inexplicable.

But when Monica injures her wrist, she's forced to forfeit, unable to believe she's lost - except Chandler steps in and brilliantly wins the match, explaining he hid his prowess to avoid doubles tournaments.

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Back in their room, Joey & Charlie discuss how he's had the best time with Rachel, while she's had fun with Ross - yet they have had little fun together. Charlie dumps him, since they have nothing in common.

Joey takes his bad news to Rachel's room, where he tells her how he feels so stupid for always going after the wrong girl, like her then Charlie; but Rachel denies it, saying that she didn't mean Charlie.

Once outside the door, the incredible truth hits Joey, and once he goes back inside the look on her face speaks volumes. Rachel reveals that she's fancied him for a month, but Joey says that they can't be together since it just wouldn't be right, he can't do it to Ross.

Apologising and agreeing it was no big deal, Joey goes outside again to wrestle with his feelings, finally leaning against her door in deep despair - when Rachel opens the door, and he falls right through!

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Oberblau starts coming on to Ross, who is saved by the arrival of the guy's unhappy wife; then Charlie takes Ross aside to tell him that she & Joey broke up. She's about to reveal her feelings for Ross when they are interrupted by three geeks who want to throw the keynote speaker into the pool - so Ross grabs Charlie's arm, and they run off.

Ross & Charlie hide from their pursuers behind a potted palm, pressed together to look like an amorous couple. Revealing that she's single, Charlie kisses him, and so Ross kisses her back. He starts to protest that he can't do this to Joey, but gives up and kisses her hungrily.

The couple are really going for it, when Joey arrives & sees them. He carefully watches the pair; considering, contemplating, and concluding that he has the green light: then calmly returns to Rachel's bedroom.

As Rachel opens the door, Joey answers her question with a sweet kiss, holding her gently. She searches his face, then lets slip a small moan of acceptance. Staring deeper into her eyes, Joey brushes a stray lock from her cheek, while her arms snake around his neck to hold him tight, before his manly hands slide up her naked back to dive into her hair.

Starting to kiss more fervently, Joey's arms crush Rachel against him whilst her mouth grants entry to his thrusting tongue. Suddenly, their hands are everywhere as Rachel sinks right into him; with their joined passion swelling, things are starting to get steamy, so Joey kicks the door closed behind him, and then he edges Rachel towards the bed...

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Well, this episode was good fun, despite having the most foreseeable twist ending in the history of the show. Or maybe that was the least foreseeable ending, for anybody who was actually expecting a twist.

Poor David was quickly forgotten; as once again Mike wormed his way back into the gang, but he did at least give over-competitive Monica a run for her money - and the bigger her hair became, the funnier she was. Though Phoebe's reactions did not quite ring true, Matthew Perry became a joy to watch, as Chandler's love & loyalty saved the day.

Meanwhile, plot wheels were rotating, as the Rachel/Joey/Charlie/Ross love square finally sorted itself out. With a script by creators Marta Kauffman & David Crane to sanction such a momentous development, good buddies Joey & Rachel crossed the line, presumably becoming a couple.

Though the gay admirer sub-plot was awkward & embarrassing, Schwimmer cut a dash as Ross 'eloped' with Charlie, who at last had the childish fun that she could never permit with Joey. On the other hand, Joey was made to do some tough thinking, and it was right that he struggled for a longer time than Ross did, before finally following his heart.

But then, LeBlanc is always at his best when working with Aniston, and while their chemistry was as superb as it's ever been, I also enjoyed the pair's delightful comic moments, which helped to ease the dramatic tension. Okay, as finales go, this was no classic, but it did provide the right sort of fans with a happy ending. Yet what of the morrow?

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Ooh look, Monica has the left side of the bed!

It's bad enough that these people leave their front doors unlocked at home, but to do this at a hotel? Chandler did mention adjoining rooms, but Rachel clearly burst in from the corridor.

And just look at how untidy that room is! Shouldn't Monica have got it all cleaned up before the chambermaid sees it? Or is she learning at last to fling off her clothes in glorious abandon, for yet another night of no-holds-barred anything-goes no-loss-situation sex?

When Chandler reveals that Ross's speech is in 45 minutes, take a look at Rachel's left forearm, where Jennifer's bandage seems to have been removed. This becomes most obvious later on when she folds her arms to ask Joey what he was talking about, and you can clearly see a long cut (or scar) running along her arm; does anyone know what had happened to her? At least this illustrates how a finale is really two episodes.

Was Monica able to survive the keynote speech with such aplomb because her hair was even frizzier by now, and she couldn't hear a word?

Do you recall when Ross was first offered a lecturing post at NYU, and his friends tried to help improve his technique? Phoebe begged him not to drone on, Joey made him acknowledge his audience, Chandler advised him to begin his lecture with a joke, and Rachel suggested some visual aids. Here Ross did that, so how come only Phoebe listened politely?

Whose name tag does Mike Hanigan wear? Wouldn't he hate to be labelled as David Something? And even if he did not care, Mike could have used that as an excuse for taking Phoebe to the beach in the sunshine.

Did you notice the continuity error when Rachel giggled about the word "homo"? At first her right hand was waving her name tag near her face; and then she was holding up her left hand, without any name tag.

Notice once again it's always Ross & Phoebe who run to hug each other.

And it's Phoebe whom Ross tells how much it means that she's there.

No wonder Charlie was mouthing the words of Ross's speech, it was she who wrote it! Okay, so it was based upon his earlier version, and Ross had done all the academic research - but even if only 10% was actually Charlie's work, it was that which made the difference.

Did she create the slides too, or were they a source of inspiration?

And was that brief period of sun meant to be the eye of the storm?

That was nice continuity to hear a further titbit about the notorious Pictionary Incident. We first heard of this in 118 "TOW All the Poker" when Monica *claimed* that she was merely gesturing, the plate slipped out of her hand; but now we learned that Chandler received a scar upon his forehead. Or was that later on, after Monica was so frustrated that the guys couldn't recognise her sketch of a bird, yet when Rachel drew a bean, Joey knew that she meant "The Unbearable Lightness of Being"?

Is Phoebe proud to discover that Mike is not soft, like Chandler? Or does it count against him to be�even more competitive than Monica?

Phoebe mentioned that Mike used to be a lawyer, so what happened, did he merely give up the rat race to become a pianist? Or was he pushed?

Wow, big bushy hair, little beads of sweat, a loose cleavage, how can Chandler fail to be turned on by his steamy woman?

When Phoebe told Mike to knock that dog off Monica's head, was that an expression, or a reference to the bushy hair?

Monica can't believe that she's lost, but in fact we have seen her lose many times before. Her biggest loss cost her the apartment, for which she was rightfully anguished, but when she lost the mattresses too, she took it quite well. And there were only token grumbles when she lost at poker and the 50 States game - while after she lost that huge fight with Rachel, poor Monica was crushed, and fled in tears.

Are we to assume that Phoebe wants to be spanked with Mike's paddle?

When Chandler proposes a sudden death point, does Mike (or possibly his actor Paul Rudd) reply with "'kay" or "gay"?

Should Monica be so surprised by Chandler's prowess? We've seen them play doubles tennis before, and while she was a real tiger, he had to be good too, since he was letting his boss win. And of course Matthew Perry was once a leading junior tennis player, ranked 17th nationally in the singles category, and third in the doubles category.

What does happen if the sea turtle catches you?

When Rachel needed Joey to tell her just who Curious George was, is that because her Curious George doll is no longer curious?

And isn't the guy with the yellow hat really Rainy Day Bear?

And was the monkey Marcel?

Jarvis Oberblau of Cornell was clearly gay, yet for some strange reason Ross seemed to conclude that he wasn't, when Nancy Oberblau turned up, simply because they were married, and despite how Jarvis reacted to her. Does Ross not recall the conversation he'd just had with Charlie about his first wife & her ex-fianc�?

Since Charlie is only a secondary character, her kiss with Ross was accompanied by silence; whereas Joey was given soaring music even as he walked down the corridor. Then Rachel's positive reaction to their first kiss was marked by a 'trill' upon the cymbals, before that hard driving beat struck up, while the couple really went for it. So, can anyone identify the piece of music? Is its title significant at all?

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According to the filming report by Liat N & Mindy VR, when Ross was supposed to give his speech, the projector wouldn't work, but David Schwimmer fixed it. Ross was pleased that the only time the sun came out was during his speech, commenting that someone up there really likes him, but the people down there with him must be pissed off.

When Mike & Monica kept raising the stakes, Chandler didn't just cut off Monica, he set the prize to ten dollars per game. In some scenes the actors were actually playing the world female table tennis champ, who gave Matthew a game while the hair people were fixing & spraying Courteney's hair. He wasn't too shabby. At one point, Ross & Charlie ran into the games room, to hide on the other side of a pillar behind the door. After the hunt passed by, Ross was stunned to see Monica's big hair, then Charlie pulled him away, and they kept on running.

The scene where Joey falls through the doorway had to be done a few times, but for one take Matthew took his place, much to Jennifer's surprise. Thereafter she kept checking around the end wall. The last scene where Joey & Rachel kiss was filmed after the audience left.

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So, what didn't happen in this second part of the finale? We heard no more about David, so has he left the show forever? Will Phoebe's relationship with Mike be undermined by their guilt if David should take drastic action? He was very depressed when we last saw him.

And how come there was no mention of the nymphomaniac plot? Charlie is supposed to be under the impression that Phoebe wanted every man she could get, which includes Ross as well as Joey, yet we didn't even see Charlie reacting to the the Mike/Phoebe/David triangle.

Then there are the Bings, coming to terms with mutual infertility, and hoping to adopt a baby, but there was not a mention of this; nor did we hear Rachel checking up on Emma, wherever she is.

We heard no more about Kate Miller, so was that a throwaway in-joke, or the harbinger of doom for Rachel? Will she be about to find some happiness at last with Joey, when the first woman he loved suddenly turns up at the Paradise Hotel? And even if she did, would Joey give up Rachel for one who treated him so badly in the end?

In a nutshell, will episode 1001 completely reverse how this season ended? No matter how things look now, will Rachel recoil in disgust to run from Joey straight into Ross's surprised but welcoming arms?

For a little insight into that, consider how Seasons 1/3/4/5/8 ended with a huge twist, which simply was either undone at the start of the following season, or as part of the cliffhanger itself. But Season 9 didn't end with a twist, it was more like Seasons 2/6/7 which ended relatively quietly, and they were followed by smooth continuation.

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PLEASE note that this is about the *second* part of the finale, that's everything while Monica & Mike are playing Ping Pong.

If you have any comments about part 1, please refer to my review "Friends S09-23 - 88 little piggies". Many thanks.

Tennant Stuart

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PeterTennant Stuart

"Tennant Stuart" wrote in message news:[email]...

I'm too upset about this to respond at the moment.

Belphoebe

CarolinePeter

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Ok this is weird ... Tennant's original post, to which you are replying, did not show up for me, neither did his review of part 1, which I know he did post because you also replied to that - how can some posts go missing?

Tennant, what was the date and time of your original posts about the finale part 1 and 2?

Caroline

howieCaroline

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Carolinehowie

howie wrote:

caroline:

Stranger and stranger ... my newsgroup reader is showing no posts at all from Tennant on May 22. The closest post I have to that timestamp is Dan Ginsburg at 10.36pm on the "Re: Ross and Rachel fans" thread.

?

Caroline :(

Tennant StuartCaroline

In article , Caroline wrote:

You might have your newsreader set to ignore large posts, or possibly your ISP is doing this little 'service' for you.

If you are totally unable to put such an inconvenient situation straight, let me know and I'll post a special version or three for you. :)

S09-23 22 May 2003 18:49:56 BST Lines: 254 Size: 11k

S09-24 25 May 2003 11:18:14 BST Lines: 348 Size: 16k

If you wanted that information to check with Google, then click here...

http://google.com/groups?selm=na.9d97534bf6.a806e0tennant%40argonet.co.uk

http://google.com/groups?selm=na.91975a4bf6.a806e0tennant%40argonet.co.uk

Tennant

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CarolineTennant Stuart

Tennant Stuart wrote:

caroline:

I thoroughly checked all my Netscape NG settings, and it's not me. I can't imagine that the posts are big enough to get cut off at the server level; some of the posts in this group end up monstrously large, when people start replying and not trimming - I can't imagine that your original reviews are the longest posts in this group.

But here's an odd thing; when I read the newsgroups, the number of posts to read appears on the left; for about a week now that number and the actual number of posts don't match up. Right now, it's saying I have 6 unread messages in the Friends newsgroup, when I don't have any. My guess would now be that your two season finale reviews are two of the six; who knows what the others are. This would seem to support your view of our ISPs news server blocking some messages ...

Thanks, but I read them in google by following the link you kindly provided!

Caroline :)

Tennant StuartCaroline

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No, although *replies* to them will get even bigger.

Here is a list of the longer posts to ATF in the past week...

 25k  21st 18:13  Tennant     Friends S09-22 - stop eating hot
 24k  18th 01:14  Tennant     Friends S09-21 - ghost of the barcalounger
 17k  21st 09:24  Marita      Friends S09-22 - stop eating hot
 15k  25th 11:18  Tennant     Friends S09-24 - homo erectus
 13k  21st 09:37  Marita      Friends S09-21 - ghost of the barcalounger
 13k  26th 14:56  Belphoebe   Friends S09-23 - 88 little piggies
 12k  19th 18:01  Tennant     Friends S09-19 - she sings!!
 12k  23rd 21:30  Tennant     Friends S09-21 - ghost of the barcalounger
 12k  26th 01:30  Tennant     Friends S09-23 - 88 little piggies
 11k  19th 18:02  Tennant     Friends S09-20 - he could be good for her
 10k  18th 09:03  Tennant     Friends S09-21 - ghost of the barcalounger
 10k  22nd 18:49  Tennant     Friends S09-23 - 88 little piggies
 10k  24th 15:56  Belphoebe   Friends S09-23 - 88 little piggies
  9k  21st 12:57  Belphoebe   Friends S09-21 - ghost of the barcalounger
  9k  19th 23:30  Belphoebe   Friends S09-21 - ghost of the barcalounger
  8k  20th 17:24  Tennant     Friends S09-21 - ghost of the barcalounger
  8k  24th 11:44  Tennant     Friends S09-23 - 88 little piggies
  8k  24th 12:34  Paul Hyett  Friends S09-21 - ghost of the barcalounger
  7k  18th 17:14  Tennant     Friends S09-22 - stop eating hot
  7k  24th 12:01  Tennant     Friends S09-23 - 88 little piggies
  7k  18th 01:20  Tennant     Friends S09-20 - he could be good for her
  7k  24th 19:06  hotmasita   Season Finale's thoughts (Spoilers).
  6k  18th 17:32  Tennant     Friends S09-20 - he could be good for her
  6k  24th 16:20  Kathy       Season Finale's thoughts (Spoilers).
  6k  20th 00:17  Belphoebe   Friends S09-22 - stop eating hot
  6k  18th 01:28  Belphoebe   Friends S09-22 - stop eating hot
  5k  20th 17:33  Tennant     Friends S09-22 - stop eating hot
  5k  19th 22:49  Tennant     Friends S09-20 - he could be good for her
  5k  23rd 18:46  Paul Hyett  Friends S9-21 : TOW the Fertility Test
  5k  24th 12:22  hotmasita   Season Finale's thoughts (Spoilers).
  5k  20th 15:42  DanG82      FINAL SEASON RATINGS- Friends #1 Comedy
  5k  23rd 16:03  Andr�       Friends S09-23 - 88 little piggies
  5k  23rd 01:46  Belphoebe   Friends S09-23 - 88 little piggies
  5k  23rd 13:35  Belphoebe   Friends S09-22 - stop eating hot

..how many of those did you get?

Okay. Did you manage to read all my earlier reviews?

Tennant

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Tennant StuartPeter

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Pourquoi?

If your academic feathers are in a ruffle, did you not read that which you then snipped, which read "Okay, so it was based upon his earlier version, and Ross had done all the academic research - but even if only 10% was actually Charlie's work, it was that which made the difference."

Tennant

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PeterTennant Stuart

"Tennant Stuart" wrote in message news:[email]...

I did read that--I still think you're being too ungenerous to Ross. He has managed to establish an impressive professional reputation. His colleagues enjoy his work and don't consider him a dullard.

You seem to assume, based on the students "resting their eyes," that Ross couldn't possibly have written a speech that went over so well.

Here's my take: He knows how to write to an audience of paleontologists. He is less adept at preparing a lecture geared toward your typical, disengaged undergraduate. You surmise that even his advanced students are bored, but we have nothing concrete on the show to establish that. And even if it were true, a student in an upper-level course is still not the same as a fellow paleontologist.

He wouldn't be the only academic who has that problem (being able to appeal to colleagues but not students/laypeople). They're distinct skills.

Don't forget Joey's comment about being in an upside-down world where Ross is famous. He's a star in his profession. Isn't that wonderful? The young woman who wants his autograph has been following his career for years and certainly doesn't find his work boring at all.

When Charlie finishes *reconstructing* his speech, she says that she *remembers* it better than he does. He wrote it, he read it to her, but she *remembered* it. (Funny how this links her to Joey--they both are good memorizers).

She mouths the words along with him because *she memorized the speech*, not because she wrote it. I write things all the time without memorizing them. If someone delivered a speech I'd written, I wouldn't be able to mouth it along with him/her--not unless I made a special point of memorizing it.

So we had this scene where Ross's friends had their typical responses to his work--whether humoring him politely, being obviously bored out of their minds, or making silly jokes/comments. But here they were in this upside down world--everyone else in the room was a paleontologist who thought Ross's speech was wonderful. Now there's a gauge for you--to his friends, he was being as dull as ever. So we know there was not a substantial change in his mode of communication. But to the people in his field, it was a wonderful speech.

Ross had his shining moment. Please don't take it away!

Belphoebe

Tennant StuartPeter

In article , "Belphoebe" wrote:

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I'm warming to your argument - and you can add to the list of his fans the woman who found Merriam's views far too progressionist, in 707.

The main problem for me is the plot wherein we didn't see Ross deliver his speech, he delivered what Charlie had written down. It's like the stage magician who transforms a chrysanthemum into a dove - I'd be more impressed if it had not been covered by a handkerchief at the time.

And why was Ross's presentation to Professor Sherman so very much worse?

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Meanwhile, are you ready yet to talk about the rest of my review? :)

Tennant

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PeterTennant Stuart

"Tennant Stuart" wrote in message news:[email]...

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Yay!

. . . and you can add to the list of his fans

Yes! I did think of her after I'd posted this last reply. :)

Yes, but we know that this is a device to bring them closer together while also bringing Rachel and Joey closer yet since Joey can't spend the time with Charlie.

And I do think the writers' use of "I remember your speech better than you do" was meant not only to re-emphasize that this was, indeed, *Ross's work*, but also the fact that she did remember it so well--this is to emphasize how well suited they are to each other (along with their bonding over gay ex-partners). This fits in with all the work the writers did to show Joey and Rachel reacting to things in the same way, and Joey and Charlie *not* connecting. (I found this all somewhat clunky, but that's for another post.)

But that's not unusual with this show--you've often discussed events you would have liked to have seen played out on the show (requiring special 24-hour episodes on enhanced DVD!).

Since I see the writers giving strong indications that this *was* Ross's work, I'm satisfied to take it as such.

I've given possible reasons for Sherman's response. There are so many plausible causes for his simply having been sleepy, having an off day, etc. I don't think there's a need to take that too seriously. If Ross were a total schlub in his field, with zero professional presence and no publications, I'd be more inclined to believe that reading of the situation. But given all those other clues to the contrary, I think it's safe to give Ross credit for having done the work to produce a very well-received keynote speech at the conference.

Almost: I promise I'll discuss it once I'm satisfied we've sorted out this matter! :)

Belphoebe

Tennant StuartPeter

In article , "Belphoebe" wrote:

PLEASE note that this is about the *second* part of the finale.

If you have any comments about part 1, please refer to my review "Friends S09-23 - 88 little piggies". Many thanks.

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In fact I *really* want to agree with you, but I'm still wary.

YW

And he has had two students fall in love with him, one of each sex.

Yes, I know, but it's still there.

I'm sure that Charlie did remember Ross's speech extremely well. The point at issue is :- did she write it out with a *different*turn*of*phrase* which made it easier to listen to, in turn giving Ross the confidence to be good?

That was a big first for Ross, which could help put his demons to rest.

We've seen that Joey & Rachel react similarly for a few years now.

What, that Joey found "erectus" funny, while Rachel giggled at "homo"?

How is that clunky?

Maybe, but this example still smacks of now-you-see-it-now-you-don't.

Tell you what Belphoebe - if you can persuade Marita to agree with you when she replies to these two reviews, then I'll *change* the reviews.

And the finalised versions will be uploaded in 9 days...

You know sweetie, if I'd said that, you'd have accused me of fanw***ing.

Oh come on, don't be so mean-spirited; I'm bending over backwards here.

Tennant

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PeterTennant Stuart

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Mmm, more work for me. . . .

Well, Elizabeth did--the other was faking for sympathy!

while

Ma pauvre! :(

which

good?

But you see, I think you'd have to be deliberately reading against the grain to insist that this was the case.

I hope so! :)

I think the writers were piling it on extra thick in this case.

I'll get into this more when I respond to the whole review. . . .

How would you have handled this? And if it took longer than what we've seen, what would you cut out?

Ooh, all right. Marita--what do you think?

worse?

Hmm. Well, I was trying to piece together the sort of evidence from the show that you'd accept as convincing. However, since Dr. Sherman's somnolence is not explained, I suppose any attempt to fill in an explanation would have to be a fankw**k.

Awww, I'm not trying to be mean--honest. But I'm a little gunshy after the "betrayal" issue in TOW The Inappropriate Song.

Belphoebe

Tennant StuartPeter

In article , "Belphoebe" wrote:

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:)

We think he was faking for sympathy, but maybe he was jealous of the other boy who pretended he was in love with him, but he had a girf.

BTW, these were Morse & Lewis, named after a British cop show.

I know. <sniff>

Why?

If only he could learn to trust again...

Well, they didn't laugh at quite the same bit - and of course, as a subtitle to this review, "homo erectus" doesn't just refer to that, it also has bearing on the ping-pong match, and the 3 asterisks.

Give us a hint.

I'm happy with it as it is, for even though Charlie made it easier upon the ear, all the hard work was still done by Ross. The difference between us is that I respect Ross for that, while you care only for the gloss.

Yes Marita... Yoo-hoo!! Where are you?

You have a slight reprieve on that deadline. The finale will be shown here in separate weeks, exactly has I had anticipated; so S09-23 goes up in 8 days, but S09-24 doesn't go up until 15 days now.

That's very honest of you. <sincere appreciation>

Well, I'm not as adamant as about that as I am about his betrayal of Chandler two Thanksgivings ago.

I hasten to add that if I seem hard on Ross, it's only because he's my favourite male character. I just thought you might not realise that.

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So you mean the second boy wasn't faking? I thought you were referring to the first boy. Oh, well--I still think both were faking (cynical youngfolk that they are!).

Cute.  :)

Well, you yourself have suggested that it's the writers' intent that the viewers should take it as Ross's speech--reconstructed and not "written" by Charlie ("that's what they want you to think"). If you perceive this as the writers' intent, and yet you go with a different interpretation, that's reading against the grain.

With Phoebe's help, yes? ;)

Remember how kind Ross was to Carol in TOW the Lesbian Wedding? Maybe someday she can repay him by helping him work through his trust issues.

I'm not only thinking of "homo" and "erectus" but more broadly over the whole episode.

Hey, I thought this matter wasn't settled--there you go asserting it as if it were canon )instead of fanon*)!

*I wish I could take credit for "fanon," but I lifted it from a clever poster in alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer.

I "care only for the gloss"? How do you figure?

I care about the whole package. You're suggesting that Ross is incapable of writing in a way that would captivate an audience. As someone who cares *both* about style *and* content, I object on his behalf! (And no, I don't need to be reminded that this is fiction!)

But wait--if Marita is busy and doesn't appear until after the 15 days are up, does that mean that "Ross can't write a pleasing speech" and "Charlie's 'rewriting' made all the difference" becomes indelible?7

fanw***ing.

I do try. :)

When Brad Pitt was one? Or the "smoking pot" one?

You're right--to me it has looked as if your favorite is Joey, then Chandler (except whenever he cracks a "Dumb Joey" joke), and then, as a distant, distant third, Ross.

Belphoebe

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Possibly.

No, like I said, Morse had a girf, and anyway he'd pulled the same trick with three other teachers.

Well, Lewis said he loved Dr.Geller after exposing Morse as a faker.

Yeah. Now we need to know where Ned & Alan come from.

Not really, the writers could be writing on more than one level.

Of course.

Well, I have suggested that it would be interesting if Susan left Carol (her actress has hardly been on the show in recent years) so Carol then moves back in with Ross, giving him a full-time child again.

Oh yes?

Okay, (sigh), for even if it were though (sigh)

Because that's what you have done nothing else but talk about all this time, while ignoring the rest of the whole second part of the finale.

I'm suggesting that with a little bit of help from an intelligent woman, Ross *did* captivate the audience, and the speech was all his own, except for the little bit of Charlie's surface gloss that you're hung up on.

It means that after the 15 days (it's 12 now) are up, the whole thing becomes a moo point, because nobody will see any revised version.

Unlike previous years, "Friends" is airing in the UK only from January to June, not July to December. The final version of my 923 review goes up on 6th June, and of my 924 review on 13th June. I'm quite happy to alter my reviews after the final version, but nobody will read them.

It will be moo.

Oops, my bad - two Halloweens ago.

Check out any of my posts on Angel's Friends going back as many years as I've been around (longer than on ATF). Guess whose picture adorns them.

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On Thu, 29 May 2003 01:33:28 BST, Tennant Stuart wrote:

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Actually, I'm on vacation in London at the moment. :) I don't know if I'll be able to dig through all the posts about this issue until I come home, but what I can say is that I thought the scene in question was rather preposterous. Do you have a brief overview of the discussion?

~Marita [email]
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Tennant's premise is that while the content and academic research in the speech are Ross's, the "gloss" of the speech is Charlie's--and that it is her (re)writing that is responsible for the favorable response Ross inspires in his colleagues.

He seems to believe that since his students are known to "rest their eyes" in class, and Dr. Sherman fell asleep while Ross delivered the speech in his office, that Ross simply writes boring speeches. He seems to assume that if Ross had delivered his own speech as he'd originally written it, the audience would have snoozed off.

I point out that:

*He's writing/speaking to a crowd of paleontologists. They're his audience. Just because *students* don't respond well to his lectures doesn't mean he can't write a speech that *paleontologists* enjoy.

*He has a very strong professional reputation, as evidenced by the young woman who asks for his autograph, since she's been following his career for years. She clearly doesn't find his writing boring. (Nor does the young woman who checked out his diss in TOW Ross's Library Book, nor--as Andr� has reminded me--the "Dirty Girl").

*There's no indication--IMO--that the writers intend for us to believe that Charlie did anything but reconstruct Ross's speech as she'd heard it--that's why the emphasis on her *remembering* it so well.

*Besides--and this just occurred to me--if Ross's speech were written in a dull way, ISTM *Charlie* would have nodded off upon hearing it. But she didn't. She enjoyed it so well she retained the whole thing!

*While the paleontologists ate up the speech with a spoon--laughing in all the right places and not laughing in any of the wrong ones--Ross's sister and friends responded the way they usually do when Ross talks to them about his work: they either politely endure, demonstrate overt signs of boredom, or inappropriate laughter. This suggests there wasn't any substantial change in the way the speech was written.

*Dr. Sherman's dozing is not necessarily a kiss of death, since there are any number of other possible explanations for it--we simply don't know.

I think that just about covers the premise of our disagreement and my arguments. I'm sure Tennant will weigh in as well.

Belphoebe

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Yeah, but she laughed at his Homo Erectus joke...

It could be that there was a sexual agenda here to keep her interested, and she amused herself by thinking of how much better she could have written his speech. Maybe she envisions a future wherein Charlie Geller becomes a famous palaeontological raconteur, thanks to her husband's research... :)

That's actually a very fair summary Belphoebe; and you have added some additional points, which I readily accept are well made.

Furthermore, you might add that Dr.Geller was invited to thank everyone for giving money to the museum in 302 "TOW No-one's Ready", after which he was praised by Sherman Whitfield of the London Institute; and he was invited to appear on the Discovery Channel, in 321 "TOW a Chick. And a Duck".

However, my concerns are threefold...

We have never actually seen Dr.Geller performing well before, it has always been zoned-out friends and bored students. Belphoebe suggests that Dr.Geller's cr�me de la cr�me enjoy his lectures; but again we have never seen this, we merely get Professor Sherman falling asleep while Ross presents his abstract like a crazed loon.

Charlie did *physically* write that speech, based on her memories of Ross's original, and we have no evidence that she has a photographic memory, so there just must have been slight differences. I absolutely agree that the vast bulk of the speech is his, all of the hard work, all of the academic excellence. But perhaps not the turn of phrase.

Most critical of all, is the whole idea of this story. Ross did not present his speech. It was lost, and then regained, and he presented that. It's a bit like a magic trick where the audience is supposed to believe there was just one object; but the magician secretly switched it for another object, while we were all distracted.

I want Belphoebe to be right, and I need you to convince me, Marita.

The final version of my 923 review goes up in 4 days time.

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On Mon, 02 Jun 2003 17:50:29 BST, Tennant Stuart wrote:

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That is true, and he has even made paleontology-jokes together with Charlie that she has enjoyed. She also said that she enjoyed one of his recent articles in 920.

However, there are hints saying that he might be bad at teaching other people about it, regardless of their interest in paleontology. He was obviously nervous about the lecture at NYU in 604 TOW Joey Loses His Insurance, and therefore, he was somewhat willing to take the others' advice. Judging by his speech in this episode, he has clearly used the advice.

Having said that, I can only speak from my personal experience with professors, and some of them were really great at teaching students (even undergraduates) about their field of study. Obviously, students need to be kept intrigued, and they have to interact with the professor. If Ross fails to do that, it's hardly surprising that the students are falling asleep in his classes.

I totally agree. He also got one of his articles published in 301 TOW the Princess Leia Fantasy. Clearly, he's a good scholar. His book and his articles prove that he's a well-known academic in his field.

Inside-jokes are very helpful. :)

I disagree somewhat, but not entirely. I was annoyed by the fact that Charlie's comment about him remembering so little of his own speech made him look worse. It was an unnecessary way to make fun of his career. If he had been working on his speech for a long time, he would have been able to remember more.

She might have been very interested in the guy saying the speech too, though. It was obvious that she was falling for him when they had that "moment" on the bed, so there could be several factors preventing her from falling asleep.

Could be. :)

This is true, or they have merely given up on him a long time ago.

Okay, I see. Sherman is a problem in this discussion, though. I agree that there could be several reasons why he fell asleep, but the incident did make Ross look bad. That's what I disliked the most about this plot.

Exactly.

He did manage to make the students interested in 604, though, but that was because of his accent, not his lecture.

This is true.

I see your point, but I'm not convinced either way.

I don't think I can. The fact of the matter is that I sort of agree with both of you. It really annoys me that Ross wasn't allowed to have one single moment to bask in the praise from his peers. Instead, we get a plot where we're left to question his ability to remember his own speech. Also, did he even write his own speech, or are we supposed to believe that the scholar from Harvard wrote half of it?

It is clear that Ross is a really good professor and writer, but I do question his abilities to teach others.

~Marita [email]
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True.  :)

It takes a loooooong time to get good at that, and most of those hints we've seen occurred early in his teaching days.

True.

Oh, I agree--it's a distinct talent, and it doesn't automatically develop while someone becomes a brilliant scholar in one's area of expertise. More on this below. . . . .

I know what you mean, but I think it's *possible* that the stress of the situation could make one blank out for a while.

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Looks as though Tennant and Marita were thinking along the same lines here! But Charlie doesn't strike me as someone who would be doodling "Charlie Geller" and "I [heart] Ross" in her notebook while pretending to care about his speech. ;)

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I wasn't too happy about that, either. It's as though his high points were given grudgingly.

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Ah, yes.  Ta.  :)

I felt as though this episode was meant, to some degree anyway, as a corrective of all that. A gift to those of us who are tired of Ross being shown as Dr. Dull. Finally, with the right audience, he's allowed to shine. But, as noted above, I suppose this moment is given somewhat grudgingly.

I like to think of this as an unacknowledged link to Joey. ;)

Here's my comment on this. In his Ph.D. program, Ross would have learned to become a distinguished scholar. His advisors, because of their own professional environment, would have placed their emphasis on becoming adept at research, so Ross would have learned to write brilliant journal articles and scholarly books, and to present his work at academic conferences in a way that would earn the respect and admiration of colleagues. That's what Ph.D. programs do.

As for teaching, this is largely an on-the-job-training proposition. In my grad program--with an English major--most of us had teaching fellowships, in which we taught first-year composition. Our first semester of teaching, we had to take a course in writing theory and a practicum, in which we'd discuss what we were doing in our courses. After that first semester, we were mostly on our own, except we had to take a couple of workshops every semester (and most of these were given by fellow grad students). In my final semester, I was finally allowed to teach a literature course (a more advanced teaching fellowship), but for this I was *really* on my own to figure out how to do it. Most English Ph.D.'s don't receive any formal training on how to teach literature which, for most, is what we spend the bulk of our careers teaching, provided we land the much-saught-after tenure-track job.

Although the training situation I went through was less than ideal, it's better than what many Ph.D.'s in other disciplines get. Because most U.S. college students are required to take first-year composition, most universities here rely on grad-student labor to teach almost all of their many sections of it. But in quite a few other disciplines, there is no equivalent required course. So many Ph.D.'s leave grad school having never taught a class. People in this situation will often readily admit that in their first few years of on-the-job training as new assistant professors, they frankly sucked at teaching. I suspect that when Ross first started at NYU, this is the situation he was in.

Sorry for the longwindedness The short version: engaging students and engaging colleagues are distinct skills, and it's not unusual to master one without the other--or one *before* the other.

Belphoebe

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Oh wow! Are you having fun?

Do you visit the museums, or sit around in your underwear?

And did you enjoy the sexual perversity?

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On Mon, 02 Jun 2003 17:43:40 BST, Tennant Stuart wrote:

Of course! I love London. :)

Lol. No, I haven't done any of that.

The play was really provocative and interesting, and the actors did a great job. But the best part was that I got to meet everybody afterwards. We took lots of pictures and got all their autographs. I even got to talk to Matthew. :)

~Marita [email]
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Yay!

Joking aside, don't forget to visit the revamped British Museum.

Oh wow!

I fear that a few women on ATF want to kill you now... ;)

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On Fri, 06 Jun 2003 00:06:21 BST, Tennant Stuart wrote:

I got to spend half a day at the Imperial War Museum (which was fantastic), but that was it. I wish I'd had more time.

Hehe, several people said that when I told them I'd met him. But hey, I was there, and I got all the photos... ;)

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[Shoot! I'm sorry everyone--I hit the "send" button way, way prematurely!]

Hey, Marita--I don't want to kill you, but what did he have to say (unless you don't feel like telling us!)?

Have you ever seen _About Last Night_? It was the film adaptation of _Sexual Perversity_, with Rob Lowe, Demi Moore, Jim Belushi, and Elizabeth Perkins. I've read David Mamet's original play version, but never seen it performed. It definitely has more of an edge than the film.

Belphoebe

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On Sun, 08 Jun 2003 20:50:43 GMT, "Belphoebe" wrote:

Well, he didn't say much. I think he was half-expecting to be mobbed by some of the hysterical fans there. One girl started screaming that she wanted to have his babies, and that left him a little baffled. He basically asked us if we had enjoyed the play, and later on I told him that I'd seen him before at the taping I went to last year. :)

Yes, I've seen the movie, and it's very different from the play. The play is more intense, and there is no happy ending. I hadn't read the play before I saw the stage version, so I was quite surprised by some of the scenes. Bernie's speech about the Equal Rights Amendment was very provocative, and Danny's last fight with Deborah was a far cry from your normal Friends-episode. However, the constant change of scenes made for a fast-paced and interesting play, so I enjoyed it.

~Marita [email]
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And he said...

Eep.

Who played Bernie & who played Danny?

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On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 03:40:46 BST, Tennant Stuart wrote:

He seemed surprised.

Bernie was played by Hank, while Matthew played Danny.

~Marita [email]
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Oops, I've lost track now... <looks back> ..Matthew seemed surprised that you'd seen him before at the taping you went to last year?

Ah, so in what way was Danny's last fight with Deborah (I suppose that was Minnie Driver) a far cry from your normal Friends-episode?

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On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 21:03:00 BST, Tennant Stuart wrote:

Yes.

No, she was played by Kelly Reilly. Deborah was Danny's girlfriend in the play, and they broke up after a huge fight, where Danny pretty much called her every bad word in the book. He came off as a real jerk.

Speaking of which, did you get the pictures I sent to you?

~Marita [email]
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Because he's surprised that people would travel the world to see him?

Eep.

Oops, must go look <dives in the whirling maelstrom> ah, yes thanks, a Minnie, a Hank, and two Matthews. But where were you, sweetie?

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On Fri, 20 Jun 2003 17:56:13 BST, Tennant Stuart wrote:

Lol. Probably, even though I didn't travel for *him*.

Taking the pictures, of course. :)

~Marita [email]
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Yes, but he doesn't have to know that, does he?

Couldn't you trust someone else with the camera?

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(unless

Does he seem to have a funny personality when he's not playing a character?

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I'll have to try to catch the play some time. I've liked other Mamet stuff. I've seen _Speed the Plow_ (on Broadway, when Madonna was in it with Joe Mantegna) and _Oleanna_ (a small production in upstate NY).

Belphoebe

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On Wed, 18 Jun 2003 21:32:42 GMT, "Belphoebe" wrote:

Yes. He was very charming and funny at the taping, but he seemed as though he was in a bit of a hurry in London.

SPIC is the only Mamet-play that I've seen; and if all of his plays are like that, the others are bound to be both provocative and funny.

~Marita [email]
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Oh, I *did* wonder... ;)

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I'd meant to select "save," but absent-mindedly clicked "send" instead. D'oh! ;)

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Well, at least you didn't accidentally broadcast an intimate email. :)

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True.  :)

It's never good when that happens. That seems like something the writers would assign to Chandler or Ross.

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Right.

Yeah, Chandler would accidentally broadcast Ross's intimate email.

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Oh dear, after we'd discussed the amazing new space.

So, what did you talk about?

Ooh, copies please!

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On Mon, 09 Jun 2003 17:56:29 BST, Tennant Stuart wrote:

I'm afraid that will have to wait until the next time I'm in London. :)

I told Belphoebe about it.

No problem. I brought my digicam, so I got quite a few photos. I'll try to send some to you.

~Marita [email]
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Oh well, at least that will still be there, I guess.

Cheers!

Yes, you did, thanks. :)

Meanwhile, I'm still waiting to hear from you two about the speech that Charlie wrote. The final version of this review goes up *tomorrow*...

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He's trying to provoke us, Marita! ;)

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I'm honestly not trying to do that, Belphoebe. I want to do the right thing by all of us, if possible, and time is rapidly running out.

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I thought we'd agreed that Charlie didn't *write* the speech. Ross did. That's why I thought "the speech that Charlie wrote" was meant to provoke us.

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Please read the final version of my 924 review, Belphoebe.

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Tennant Stuart likes to play a special version of 'Hey Jude', with 25 minutes of 'na nananana' and an extra verse that goes like this:

did you have to leave the headers of the last six posts in for that one line? Very AOL'ish my friend ;)

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I dunno what�AOL is like, but you're right about the headers. Originally more of the thread was quoted, but at a late stage I snipped most of it, and forgot to do likewise with the attributions.

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I don't really see why everyone puts up such a complaint about AOL.... it's really not all that bad....

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It's not about the ISP itself (well... it is actually), but it's more to do with the habit of AOL users to quote full messages and then only add something like "I agree" to it. Or more generally speaking, AOL is considered an ISP for people who are new to the internet and therefore don't always know how to act appropriately. And Usenet is quite anal about its etiquette. I consider myself to be somewhat relaxed about these things, but for others the term "AOL user" has become an abusive term.

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On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:13:52 +0200, "cookie dude" wrotE:

well I'm an AOL user, and I'm also a computer scientist.... so really that term shouldn't act as abusive IMO.... hmmm... this isn't meant to sound b*tchy by the way... it's kinda hard to express an emotion with typing, so please don't read that as I'm upset. Just giving my opinion. :)

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cookie dudeJess

Jess likes to play a special version of 'Hey Jude', with 25 minutes of 'na nananana' and an extra verse that goes like this:

I used AOL for a long time as well. Over here in Europe that isn't a smart thing to do though, since all your traffic is routed through AOL's servers in Atlanta which doesn't help with the connection speed - and if you want to cancel your account they just won't do it ;-) I've seen your comment in the other thread regarding usenet etiquette btw. - I wasn't trying to be anal there, I was just warning that specific poster that her comments with regards to spelling and such might well backfire if the "wrong" kind of people pick up on it... Believe you me, I know what I'm talking about, I tried posting in German Usenet but they'll flame you to hell and back for anything. Your screen name for example is completely inacceptable. Why? Because it's not your *full* name. And your email adress better be valid too, don't you dare posting with a "NOSPAM" address. Your punctuation/spelling and/or grammaris wrong? Sufficient reason for a flame war... It's an evil place.

As for the AOL thing, keep in mind that the "insult" "AOL user" comes from a long time ago, when the internet hadn't yet become the mass medium it is now and people were a lot more elitist about it then.

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Okay.

Belphoebe

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On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 03:30:34 BST, Tennant Stuart wrote:

Pardon? I replied to that a week ago. It's here: http://tinyurl.com/e4kc

~Marita [email]
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Yes, I read that, but your conclusuon was that you were unable to convince me that Belphoebe was right, because you sort of agreed with both of us.

Since then I have been waiting for Belphoebe to reply to that, but she has not done so, unless somehow I missed her post, which I don't think I did.

The upshot is that I've couched the discussion in interrogative terms, and you guys will just have to be content with that, since time has run out.

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I replied:

<http://tinyurl.com/edg0>

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Ah, okay. Thanks.

Well, it seems to me that I met your concerns.

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All right, then. :)

Belphoebe

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Good, so I await your reply to that review. :)

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This was a really unbelievable moment, scriptwise. Had the score been tied, then yes. But one of the players (Monica?) was ahead by one point. Why would s/he agree to *lessen* his/her chance of winning?

She thought he meant GWB.

Well, I thought David was merely a device to get Mike back -- and that Mike's return was only decided upon when they needed storylines for S10.

Yes.

Indeed.

At this point, the regular cast is getting rather large: six Friends and two add-ons. That's eight people every week. I say at least one of them is going to be written out very early in S10.

It would not surprise me if the Joey/Rachel thing is stillborn. But *if* they do that, they won't hook R&R together just yet -- whole season to go.

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I'm not sure about the finer points of the situation with the score, but Monica was physically unable to continue, while Mike arrogantly wanted a proper victory, not to win by forfeit.

Oh yes? lol

Is this a new nickname since 121 "TOW the Fake Monica" first aired?

And who are the monkey, and the guy with the yellow hat?

Probably, but David could still have an effect on S10 storylines.

Yes what?

Right.

Absolutely. My money is on Charlie Wheeler.

BTW, your observation is a clue to the subtitle of my 923 review. ;)

We'll see.

They could split up J&R and not bring R&R together...

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Doubtful about the title, since it's called "Untitled" (by Interpol) - from their CD called "Turn On The Bright Lights".

And you need to refine your definition of "trill"!

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Oh, thanks very much. Yes, no significance to the title, but is it that the title is "Untitled", or that the piece has no title?

I totally agree, that's why I put it in quotes. The word that came to mind when I wrote this was "glissando", but being no expert I looked it up, and that means the effect produced by a sliding finger along a keyboard or a string (or a sound made by a trombone). I don't know if that would apply to cymbals; so if you know the correct musical term then please enlighten me Freddy, I'd be most grateful.

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On Mon, 26 May 2003 18:21:57 BST, Tennant Stuart wrote:

Ha! I was hoping to avoid that! The print on the CD actually says "Untitled", capitalized like the other titles - so I think it's safe to say that is the actual name of the song. Were it to have no name, I think there would just be a blank spot.

Four hits upon a cymbal don't really seem to be yearning for a descriptive name. It was a very mild crescendo if anything. A trill is when you rapidly alternate between two notes no more than a full step apart. It doesn't apply to percussion instruments that aren't tuned.

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Ah. Tricky.

Fair enough, so how can I describe a very mild crescendo in 7 letters?

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Girls say that a lot when they... no, let's not go there.

Just like Belphoebe I wonder what makes you so sure that it's only because of Charlie's writing that the speech was well received

You know what? I think they're trying to tell us something. I think they want us to see how well Joey and Rachel go together. But you have to look really close to see the hints, they're very subtle

I don't know if that difference is made anywhere else in the world, but in Germany there's a difference between Ping Pong and table tennis. At a game of Ping Pong the ball has to touch down on both sides of the table, whereas at a game of table tennis it may only touch down on the other side of the table. So technically they weren't playing Ping Pong (for me anyway), although they said they would

Haha! I must admit that I quite enjoyed Mike here

Chandler's become such a pussy.... He knew how much winning meant to Monica all along, so I didn't buy this last scene at all. Apart from the obvious cheesiness, but that was a theme that ran right through the finale

This is what upset me the most. Once again Ross is made to look like a selfish bastard and what happened later between Joey and Rachel was only triggered by spite. If this is setting the level for S10 then I'll gladly ignore it

I could say *so* many inappropriate things about how you phrased that.... I'll go with "had some writing lessons at Nora Bing's?" though. I can't say I cared for this development at all, I would have wanted a cliffhanger involving Phoebe having to choose between Mike and David. But big surprise, my wish wasn't meant to be

I believe I started doing homework and cleaning my room halfway through it and left it running in the background. I found it quite dull once David was sent away and Chandler turned from Mr. Sarcasmo to his husband self again

That was his *worst* moment in this ep

Or not. I wouldn't bet on either possibility. It'll be interesting to see where this goes (hopefully) - assuming that Charlie will be gone quite soon. I can't remember anything about her being in S10, AFAIK she was only supposed to be in a bunch of episodes in S9

Kate Miller

Why? How do you know Ross's version wasn't even better? This is his crowd, don't forget that

Anything that makes someone more like Monica is a bad thing IMHO

You have odd taste in women

It sits on your face for a while then does the Macarena

I hope not

There's a history of exactly that happening...

Or even crueler (? more curel?) will either of them moan the name of a former lover?

It wasn't a twist in a surprising way, but it sure is big news for people who care enough about this (which excludes me) - I believe if you check a certain message board, you'll find many people don't think of this as a quiet ending

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..caused by the size of the guy's wallet. ;-)

If you don't mind Andr�, I'll pass on that question, since that is the only topic which Belphoebe has discussed, the whole matter has now been passed to dear Marita for arbitration, and I would prefer to discuss all of the other things about this finale. Okay? :)

ROTFLMAO!!!

I did think about this point, (not that I know anything about the game), and in the end I resisted the temptation to call it "Table Tennis" since the script referred to that name once, but to "Ping Pong" three times.

But say the word, and I'll change it, okay?

Yes, maybe Monica would meet her comeuppance.

Wasn't Chandler being a doggy, by making Monica sweat it out?

I think that "selfish bastard" is a little strong, but yes, Ross did (or if you prefer was written to) give the matter scant consideration.

Ah, here we must disagree. I do not interpret Joey as bring motivated by spite here, rather that he felt he'd been given permission. I did try very hard to convey this, in a passage which you have deleted...

}�The couple are really going for it, when Joey arrives & sees them. He }�carefully watches the pair; considering, contemplating, and concluding }�that he has the green light: then calmly returns to Rachel's bedroom.

..there was not a trace of anger in Joey's demeanour.

I'll take your words as a compliment. :)

I wrote that for Priya & all the other JnR fans, who waited for so long.

I can write in a number of styles, should I so wish; and I didn't mention even one European city, let alone any euphemisms for male genitalia. :)

Isn't that what we had in the previous episode?

So you only watched 923, and not 924?

Why?

This did include him showing Monica that he was better than she was.

Well, I did qualify that with "presumably".

Sure, she's only a secondary character anyway.

Hehe.

I don't, do I?

But then I don't know if it was either.

In writing this, I was thinking of how we have seen Ross perform, most recently for Professor Sherman, who fell asleep. I'm sure you don't feel that on that occasion Ross was anything like as good as he was here.

Indeed, Belphoebe has been coming up with textual examples to indicate that Ross has done much better with the right audience, and if Ross had simply presented a good speech then I would not cry "continuity error".

And yet, it wasn't quite Ross's speech, it had been through a process which leaves me plagued by suspicion; I'd like to support Belphoebe in this but at the moment I can't. This is why we've agreed to let Marita try to persuade me, for if anyone can, it is she.

But for now, let us pass on to other matters.

Oh dear, so a mark against Mike. Right...

Monica on heat?

Lol, isn't that what Rachel did? <checks> oh no, that was the Merengue.

Me too, it isn't *just* because I want to hear his last name.

Yep.

You can say either, (for clarity I've corrected your spelling).

Ooh, good point, I hadn't thought of that.

This could be where the Kate Miller reference comes in, without them actually having to sign up the very pretty Dina Meyer (shame).

I thought it was relatively quiet.

The only surprise for me was that there was no surprise.

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Thanks, I do appreciate you writing that since I haven't been able to see this episode but in all honesty, just like Andre, I too thought it was too Nora Bingish. :)

ROFL! :)

Priya

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You're so easy to entertain... I knew he was gonna say this when I typed up my response ;-)

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Well, you should have posted your *prediction* before then. It's no big deal to say that you knew he would say it. :P

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<crushed> Well, I did at least try. :( </crushed>

Maybe you'd have appreciated the description more if you'd seen it first.

Grin.

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I know... the wallet

oh, didn't see that before

Less to write for me, so yeah

I'm not asking to change anything, I was merely wondering if that difference is made anywhere else in the world, or if anybody besides me picked up on it

eh? I'm afraid I don't know what you mean

it's my interpretation of what happened. Seemed like Ross thought: "can't do this, Joey is my friend." (looks at Charlie again) ...."oh what the hell, I'm lonely and desperate, I'll go for it"

Again, it's just my interpretation

That's bending the truth a little, but whatever :P

You now owe me five bucks (or Euro preferrably) for being so predictable

It was treated with a lot of indifference though, wasn't it? Did you really buy Phoebe being so hung up on Mike and so cold towards David? Think back to her dilemma in 906.

924 was like radio to me for the most part. I did take the odd look and watched the end (I thought they would cut before the door opens), but most of what happened in between I only heard while putting CDs in order and stuff

His "If it means that much to you, then it means that much to me as well" line... *blergh*

I didn't say anything else. I've no idea where they'll go from here, so at least 10-01 and 10-02 should be interesting

Maybe Sherman was too tired from cheating on his wife with the secretary half an hour before Ross had to be there

Sweaty, overly competitive women

ah thanks.

hmm. I don't think it's likely (in general, not the Kate Miller thing specifically), but we'll see soon enough. I've no idea how this is gonna play out, so that's a good thing. Unlike last year, where you could easily tell how it was going to unfold

While the whole episode built up to it, two friends kissing is always a big deal to some people, no matter how predictable

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Nobody else has, you would seem to be the main man.

So, should it be Ping Pong or Table Tennis?

Doggy as opposed to pussy.

Chandler was being hard on Monica, not letting her push him around.

Yes, he was selfish, but I think that "bastard" is harsh.

Fair enough, but I think it's a key point.

Anyway, we'll know for sure when this is discussed in S10.

:)

No deal. Predicting the past is easy.

I agree, but the David/Mike story is water under the bridge.

Ah. Not agog then.

He loves her.

But if something goes wrong, Kate Miller will probably be involved.

LOL

I can handle it.

YW

Well, good. :)

Fair enough, but I reckon it won't just switch around in 1001; the writers will let it run on for a few episodes, then see how they go after that.

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It doesn't really matter, does it? Whatever you say, people will know what they were doing. It was just a case of me wondering whether only the Germans were bored enough to make a difference between the two, as I said before ;-)

He cracked in the end though

Look at the standard Joey has set in such situations

Yup

Had I said it before you wouldn't have used that reply... You have a history of using that phrase whenever Norah Bing is mentioned

I wanted it to be the main story of the finale though. Was the only couple-ish thing I cared for

agog?

I tend to think that it was just an injoke, but we'll know when S10 comes around.

Yeah.

It'd be really cheap if they suddenly reversed into R+R mode after this, but OTOH they've completely changed direction from one ep to the next before

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Okay, I'll leave it as it is, then.

How?

You have to differentiate between his friends & people we just hear about.

You could have posted to some other newsgroup, then shown me on Google.

That's not true Andr�, you are imagining things yet again. I once used the phrase to you, while discussing 909 on 18th December, but in fact on that occasion you had *not* mentioned Nora Bing...

A: Stop it with the ripe bosoms already, you're not a female erotica writer

T: If I were a female erotica writer, I'd have started with half a dozen European cities, and thrown in 30 euphemisms for male genitalia.

..but my reply to Marita about 910 on 3rd February was nothing like that...

T: So, what happened to the other four donations to the NYC Ballet?

M: Jack, Judy, Charles and Nora?

T: Of course! :)

..and after Priya actually mentioned Nora's books, I *still* didn't use the phrase, in my reply to her about 905 on 24th February...

T: I didn't say that 905 is funnier than 719, I said that Phoebe had stronger lesbian hinting here than in 719.

P: Why? Because she blurts out a description that one would find in Nora Bing's books? Her facial expression said a lot more in 719, IMO.

T: It wasn't just the blurtation (I just made that word up) it was how she behaved in the hallway. Phoebe was into a heavy lesbian fantasy there.

..and I can quote 18 more examples from S7 and 5 from S8, if you insist.

Well, think about me, caring about Ross & Phoebe...

It means a state of excited eagerness.

Yeah, I agree.

They have indeed Andr�, but I think that this has a little way to go yet.

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By finishing the game for Monica and all that "if it means that much to you" bla. As I said before, he knew from the beginning how much it meant to Monica, hence his and Phoebe's lack of enthusiasm when Monica suggests they play.

How do you mean?

Or I can live with the fact that I knew when I wrote my post you were going to use this phrase

Fair enough, I was still sure you were going to reply like that so it came to me somehow. Whether by imagining things or not, I was still right :P

But they're both there every episode, David is hardly around

Sounds like a choking noise to me

I agree and I'm not saying they should go the other direction, I'm saying I wouldn't put it past them. It'd be *so* ... dunno... unbelievable for one... and many other things

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But that was after she'd been injured.

Joey has great respect for Chandler/Monica/Phoebe/Rachel/Ross, (and also his family), but unfortunately not so much for casual pickups.

Fine, you just won't impress anyone, that's all. :)

Maybe you're psychic.

True, and I do get to see them snuggled up on the couch in Central Perk, or walking arm-in-arm along the street.

That's a gag.

Oh, I wouldn't put anything past this lot Andr�; but even if JnR only last as long as RnR, then the first cracks won't show until 1103, they will break up in 1108, and make a mess of the reconciliation in 1118.

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So? He could have told her off "see, that's what your stupid competetiveness gets you into..." etc. Monica would have done so, had the roles been reversed

So Ross should show the same respect for Joey. And he should learn from the past, does he really want to end up in a box?

Might just be...

what if they last as long as Ross and Bonnie though?

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That wouldn't have been supportive.

Well, Ross did kiss Charlie after she broke up with Joey, while Chandler kissed Kathy before she broke up with Joey.

Wouldn't you know? :)

That depends on the chances of Rachel persuading Rachel to shave her head.

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That's the point

For all Joey knows, Ross doesn't know. (if that makes any sense)

Where does it say that every "relation" that lasts for 2-3 episodes has to end because someone's head gets shaved? ;-)

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What's wrong with him supporting his wife?

That depends on what it is that you're saying Ross doesn't know.

Grin.

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Think about it, he supports her, wins this really stupid game for her and she thanks him by asking something like "since when do you not suck?". Every self-respecting person would not support someone like that

Joey might think that Ross doesn't know that he and Charlie are broken up and kissed her anyway, which brings us back to TOW in a box

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On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 21:26:57 +0200, "cookie dude" wrotE:

But it wouldn't have been a funny line anymore if she just thanked him like most people do.

Good point! I never even thought of that... TOW in a box was a great episode BTW.

~Jess~

cookie dudeJess

Jess likes to play a special version of 'Hey Jude', with 25 minutes of 'na nananana' and an extra verse that goes like this:

They could have added canned laughter and some people would have thought it was funny then. They do that 95% of the time these days :)

Thanks!

Course it was - made me cry :) We need more Chandler and Joey stories. I want 18 next year!

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That was a big concession, coming from her, taking back all she'd said.

Yes, maybe Charlie just told Ross she was on a break...

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Reposted for Sue Jones. Enjoy...

924 "TOI Barbados (part 2)"

The morning of the third day at the Barbados conference is beautifully sunny, but alas the friends cannot enjoy it since they have to attend the keynote speech. However, Dr.Geller does well, thanks to Charlie's hard work, some clear visual aids, and the odd palaeontological joke.

Monica, Phoebe & Mike listen politely, and Chandler tries to restrain himself; but frustrated beach babe Rachel just can't sit still, without making bitchy comments. As the speech turns to homo erectus, Charlie is upset that Joey finds "erectus" funny, while Rachel giggles at "homo".

Once Dr.Geller concludes, he runs to hug Phoebe as she congratulates him, but then he's pulled aside by an adoring Professor Oberblau who admires the man more than the speech. Ross is glad that Charlie was there to inspire him, making her feel like his groupie - and when he jokes about finding her naked in his room, she catches her breath.

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The others hope to hit the beach at last, but the heavy rain resumes, so Mike suggests they play Ping Pong in the games room. Monica's eyes light up, so Chandler & Phoebe remind her of the last time that they played - when she punched them, then clunked their heads together.

However, Mike is not afraid to play her, since after he wins the first point, he informs Monica that he's awesome. As she becomes increasingly competitive, Chandler has to stop his wife from playing for money; then Mike the ex-lawyer disallows Monica's first point on a technicality.

Though Monica eventually wins the game, Phoebe is turned on by Mike's aggression; while Chandler recoils from his sweaty wife, whose hair is getting bigger. Then to Monica's despair, Mike levels the score.

After three hour's play, the deciding game remains tied for a further hour, and even Phoebe's enthusiasm has waned; while Chandler protests to Monica that her hand is blistered, she can hardly stand, and her hair has now become so huge that it's inexplicable.

But when Monica injures her wrist, she's forced to forfeit, unable to believe she's lost - except Chandler steps in and brilliantly wins the match, explaining he hid his prowess to avoid doubles tournaments.

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Back in their room, Joey & Charlie discuss how he's had the best time with Rachel, while she's had fun with Ross - yet they have had little fun together. Thus Charlie breaks up with him, for they have nothing in common. Joey brings his bad news to Rachel, saying he feels stupid for always going after the wrong girl, such as her and then Charlie; but Rachel denies this, and she isn't talking about Charlie...

When Joey leaves her room, the incredible truth hits him; and once he goes back inside, the look on her face speaks volumes. Rachel reveals that she's fancied him for a month, but Joey says that they can't be together since it just wouldn't be right, he can't do that to Ross.

Apologising and agreeing it was no big deal, Joey goes outside again to wrestle with his feelings, finally leaning against her door in deep despair - when Rachel opens the door, and he falls right through!

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Oberblau starts coming on to Ross, who is saved by the arrival of the guy's unhappy wife; then Charlie takes Ross aside to tell him that she & Joey broke up. She's about to reveal her feelings for Ross when they are interrupted by three geeks who want to throw the keynote speaker into the pool - so Ross grabs Charlie's arm, and they run off.

Ross & Charlie hide from their pursuers behind a potted palm, pressed together to look like an amorous couple. Revealing that she's single, Charlie kisses him, and so Ross kisses her back. He starts to protest that he can't do this to Joey, but gives up and kisses her hungrily.

The couple are really going for it, when Joey arrives & sees them. He carefully watches the pair; considering, contemplating, and concluding that he has the green light: then calmly returns to Rachel's bedroom.

As Rachel opens the door, Joey answers her question with a sweet kiss, holding her gently. She searches his face, then lets slip a small moan of acceptance. Staring deeper into her eyes, Joey brushes a stray lock from her cheek, while her arms snake around his neck to hold him tight, before his manly hands slide up her naked back to dive into her hair.

Starting to kiss more fervently, Joey's arms crush Rachel against him whilst her mouth grants entry to his thrusting tongue. Suddenly, their hands are everywhere as Rachel sinks right into him; with their joined passion rising, things are beginning to get steamy, so Joey kicks the door closed behind him, and then he edges Rachel towards the bed...

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Well, this episode was good fun, despite having the most foreseeable twist ending in the history of the show. Or maybe that was the least foreseeable ending, for anybody who was actually expecting a twist.

Poor David was quickly forgotten; as once again Mike wormed his way back into the gang, but he did at least give over-competitive Monica a run for her money - and the bigger her hair became, the funnier she was. Though Phoebe's reactions did not quite ring true, Matthew Perry became a joy to watch, as Chandler's love & loyalty saved the day.

Meanwhile, plot wheels were rotating, as the Rachel/Joey/Charlie/Ross love square finally sorted itself out. With a script by creators Marta Kauffman & David Crane to sanction such a momentous development, good buddies Joey & Rachel crossed the line, presumably becoming a couple.

Though the gay admirer sub-plot was awkward & embarrassing, Schwimmer cut a dash as Ross 'eloped' with Charlie, who at last had the childish fun that she could never permit with Joey. On the other hand, Joey was made to do some tough thinking, and it was right that he struggled for a longer time than Ross did, before finally following his heart.

But then, LeBlanc is always at his best when working with Aniston, and while their chemistry was as superb as it's ever been, I also enjoyed the pair's delightful comic moments, which helped to ease the dramatic tension. Okay, as finales go, this was no classic, but it did provide the right sort of fans with a happy ending. Yet what of the morrow?

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A major question left unanswered by this episode was how much of the keynote speech was composed by Professor Wheeler; for she *physically* wrote all of it, as Ross remembered shockingly little of his original.

This would be of academic interest if the speech had not gone so very well, which raises a dark suspicion: that although the vast bulk of the speech was his - all the hard work, all of the academic excellence - it could be Charlie's turn of phrase that made it so entertaining.

So does this mean that Ross is a boring buffoon, who sends his friends, students, and most recently Professor Sherman to sleep? Well no, for if we look back it's clear that he is very successful with another group of people whom we've tended to overlook - his fellow palaeontologists.

For example, in 301 "TOW the Princess Leia Fantasy", we learnt that he'd had his paper published; then in 302 "TOW No-one's Ready", Dr.Geller was invited to thank people for donating money to the museum, after which he was praised by a Sherman Whitfield of the London Institute; and then in 321 "TOW a Chick. And a Duck" he was to appear on the Discovery Channel.

More significantly, Ross enjoys success with female colleagues: in 406 "TOW the Dirty Girl", Cheryl the curvaceous blonde doctoral candidate specialising in the Cenozoic era laughed at his palaeontology jokes as she took him back to her place; the young woman who admired his work in 707 "TOW Ross's Library Book" was soon hot to trot behind the shelves; when he met Charlie the first thing she said was how much she enjoyed a recent article; and as soon as he arrived at the Barbados conference he was accosted by woman who'd been following his career for years.

So, if Ross had presented the speech that he'd written, and that had been well received, there would be no grounds for any surprise. But it was Charlie's hand which drove the pen across the page, and there has never been a reference to her having a photographic memory, so there simply had to have been at least some differences in the text.

The question is, did these differences do the trick? Could they have made the speech worse? The problem is that there's no convincing proof either way. Sadly, Ross was not allowed to have his moment to bask in deserved praise from his peers - instead we are merely left to wonder, while questioning his ability to remember most of his own speech.

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Ooh look, Monica has the left side of the bed!

It's bad enough that these people leave their front doors unlocked at home, but to do this at a hotel? Chandler did mention adjoining rooms, but Rachel clearly burst in from the corridor.

And just look at how untidy that room is! Shouldn't Monica have got it all cleaned up before the chambermaid sees it? Or is she learning at last to fling off her clothes in glorious abandon, for yet another night of no-holds-barred anything-goes no-loss-situation sex?

When Chandler reveals that Ross's speech is in 45 minutes, take a look at Rachel's left forearm, where Jennifer's bandage seems to have been removed. This becomes most obvious later on when she folds her arms to ask Joey what he was talking about, and you can clearly see a long cut (or scar) running along her arm; does anyone know what had happened to her? At least this illustrates how a finale is really two episodes.

Was Monica able to survive the keynote speech with such aplomb because her hair was even frizzier by now, and she couldn't hear a word?

Do you recall when Ross was first offered a lecturing post at NYU, and his friends tried to help improve his technique? Phoebe begged him not to drone on, Joey made him acknowledge his audience, Chandler advised him to begin his lecture with a joke, and Rachel suggested some visual aids. Here Ross did that, so how come only Phoebe listened politely?

Where did the slides come from, or were they a source of inspiration?

Whose name tag does Mike Hanigan wear? Wouldn't he hate to be labelled as David Something? And even if he did not care, Mike could have used that as an excuse for taking Phoebe to the beach in the sunshine.

Did you notice the continuity error when Rachel giggled about the word "homo"? At first her right hand was waving her name tag near her face; and then she was holding up her left hand, without any name tag.

Notice once again it's always Ross & Phoebe who run to hug each other.

And it's Phoebe whom Ross tells how much it means that she's there.

And was that brief period of sun meant to be the eye of the storm?

That was nice continuity to hear a further titbit about the notorious Pictionary Incident. We first heard of this in 118 "TOW All the Poker" when Monica *claimed* that she was merely gesturing, the plate slipped out of her hand; but now we learned that Chandler received a scar upon his forehead. Or was that later on, after Monica was so frustrated that the guys couldn't recognise her sketch of a bird, yet when Rachel drew a bean, Joey knew that she meant "The Unbearable Lightness of Being"?

Is Phoebe proud to discover that Mike is not soft, like Chandler? Or does it count against him to be even more competitive than Monica?

Wow, big bushy hair, little beads of sweat, a loose cleavage, how can Chandler fail to be turned on by his steamy woman?

When Phoebe told Mike to knock that dog off Monica's head, was that an expression, or a reference to the bushy hair?

Monica can't believe that she's lost, but in fact we have seen her lose many times before. Her biggest loss cost her the apartment, for which she was rightfully anguished; but when she lost the mattresses too, she took it quite well. And there were only token grumbles when she lost at poker and the 50 States game - while after she lost that huge fight with Rachel, poor Monica was crushed, and fled in tears.

Are we to assume that Phoebe wants to be spanked with Mike's paddle?

Should Monica be so surprised by Chandler's prowess? We've seen them play doubles tennis before, and while she was a real tiger, he had to be good too, since he was letting his boss win. And of course Matthew Perry was once a leading junior tennis player, ranked 17th nationally in the singles category, and third in the doubles category.

Was this scene Matthew's revenge for having to act "The Dropper"?

What does happen if the sea turtle catches you? If you try to get away, would it chase you onto the beach? Does it come over to the beach house when you & a friend are making mad passionate love?

When Rachel needed Joey to tell her just who Curious George was, is that because her Curious George doll is no longer curious?

And isn't the guy with the yellow hat really Rainy Day Bear?

And was the monkey Marcel?

Or is it something to do with George W Bush?

Charlie is only a secondary character, so her kiss with Ross was accompanied by silence; while Joey was given soaring music even as he walked down the corridor - "Untitled" by Interpol, from "Turn On The Bright Lights" - whereupon Rachel's positive reaction to their first kiss was marked by a crescendo on the cymbals, followed by a hard driving beat while the couple were really going for it...

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According to the filming report by Liat N & Mindy VR, when Ross was supposed to give his speech, the projector wouldn't work, but David Schwimmer fixed it. Ross was pleased that the only time the sun came out was during his speech, commenting that someone up there really likes him, but the people down there with him must be pissed off.

When Mike & Monica kept raising the stakes, Chandler didn't just cut off Monica, he set the prize to ten dollars per game. In some scenes the actors were actually playing the world female table tennis champ, who gave Matthew a game while the hair people were fixing & spraying Courteney's hair. He wasn't too shabby. At one point, Ross & Charlie ran into the games room, to hide on the other side of a pillar behind the door. After the hunt passed by, Ross was stunned to see Monica's big hair, then Charlie pulled him away, and they kept on running.

The scene where Joey falls through the doorway had to be done a few times, but for one take Matthew took Matt's place, much to Jennifer's surprise. Thereafter she kept checking around the end wall. The last scene where Joey & Rachel kiss was filmed after the audience left.

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So, what didn't happen in this second part of the finale? We heard no more of David, so did he leave the show forever, or will he now (as foreshadowed by the mirror & heart-shaped bed in Phoebe's room) fall in love with Ursula? Or worse, will Phoebe's relationship with Mike be undermined by their guilt if poor David should take drastic action? He was very depressed when we last saw him.

And how come there was no mention of the nymphomaniac plot? Charlie is supposed to be under the impression that Phoebe wanted every man she could get, which includes Ross as well as Joey, yet we didn't even see Charlie reacting to the the Mike/Phoebe/David triangle.

Then there are the Bings, coming to terms with mutual infertility, and hoping to adopt a baby, but there was not a mention of this; nor did we hear Rachel checking up on Emma, wherever she is.

We heard no more about Kate Miller, so was that a throwaway in-joke, or the harbinger of doom for Rachel? Will she be about to find some happiness at last with Joey, when the first woman he loved suddenly turns up at the Paradise Hotel? Even if she did, would Joey give up Rachel for one who treated him so badly in the end? Or could it be as simple as Joey moaning Kate's name at the height of passion?

In a nutshell, will episode 1001 completely reverse how this season ended? No matter how things look now, will Rachel recoil in disgust to run from Joey straight into Ross's surprised but welcoming arms?

For a little insight into that, consider how Seasons 1/3/4/5/8 ended with a huge twist, which simply was either undone at the start of the following season, or as part of the cliffhanger itself. But Season 9 didn't end with a twist, it was more like Seasons 2/6/7 which ended relatively quietly, and they were followed by smooth continuation.

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On Sun, 25 May 2003 11:18:14 BST, Tennant Stuart wrote:

A little unrealistic, but hey, it's TV.

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Some inside jokes are always good. And he really did a good job with his speech and all the pictures once he had restored the speech.

So obvious, but the joke felt like an expanded version of 308. Granted, it was pretty funny, but you could see it coming a mile away.

Just realise what we have been seeing since day one, already..

I thought she had improved, but no such luck. Phoebe even tried to "wake the beast" in 913, and it didn't happen.

I enjoyed watching him interact so well with the others. If he's going to stick around for good this time, it's crucial that he becomes funny together with the others and has great lines. Mike succeeded on both points in this episode, so that counts in his favour.

"There's two of them!" (Is it just me, or did that make anyone else think of Chandler's comment about Janice in the S8 finale?)

It was. I can't imagine anyone looking like that in real life.

Yay! This was definitely the best moment of the entire finale. Who knew? And he's still Monica's knight in shining armour...

It was about time. Charlie and Joey had no chemistry at all, while Charlie and Ross seem to enjoy each other's company.

Too bad Monica was nowhere around this time. She would never have allowed her to say that, and then gone on to make Rachel's decisions for her.

Way to go Joey. One year later and that's still his main focus. He's too kind for his own good sometimes.

.. and this reminded me of 501, only Chandler was the one who opened the door back then.

They should have thrown them into the pool. That would have made them cool off for a bit.

Why on earth didn't Ross talk to Joey first about this? Who was it that went on and on about this kind of situation in 512 TOW Chandler's Work Laugh and the importance of friendship in 407 TOW Chandler Crosses the Line? I wonder whether they consciously tried to make Ross look like the bad guy here.

This was so obvious. I was hoping I'd be surprised by the last couple of minutes, but I wasn't. Indeed, I half-expected that they would continue paying homage to earlier episodes by having Joey entering the room and saying, "hi," but unfortunately, they didn't.

Now this was a good kiss. No wonder they couldn't show it to the audience.

Uh-oh... And the scream of horror from the RnR-fans won't stop.

It was incredibly predictable. "That's it?" I thought. This will undoubtedly join 224 TOW Barry and Mindy's Wedding as the two most boring season finales ever. Such a waste of time and opportunities. However, this finale offered us so many reminders about earlier episodes that looking for those was almost funnier than watching the episode itself. Therefore, the writers deserve credit for coming up with so many references to other episodes for the really big fans. Maybe I'm analyzing too much, but I thought there were references all throughout the episode. Besides, it gave me something do apart from rolling my eyes every time there was a new declaration of love for the people who cannot make up their minds.

Yay! This lovely quartet was ten times better than the other one. These four work well together, and shockingly enough (!), they are not about to jump into bed with each other's partners in order to create good ratings. Chandler was hilarious, and I really liked Mike in this episode, so I'm happy. :) Chandler finally showing off how good he was at ping-pong was a great and unpredictable way to end the story, and I even enjoyed competitive Monica. However, now we have to wonder whether he's actually better than her in foosball as well...

Yes, the fact that Kauffman and Crane wrote this episode says quite a lot.

Ross was good when he was together with Charlie, but the professor was cringe-worthy. Even the plot in 718 where the student "had a crush on" Ross was funnier than this idiot. MLB was good as usual, but I was nowhere near as excited about the R/J/R-storyline in this episode as I was in 812-816.

Yeah, they're good together, but I'm so sick of this love triangle/rectangle that I cannot really enjoy it anymore. Bringing it back was okay, but Rachel hasn't made the crush believable, and she has merely focused on her physical and sexual attraction to him.

Yeah, she finally got it for a couple of nights.

My thoughts exactly. Besides, this hotel must have had ancient doors seeing that Rachel could run right in. What happened to card-locks? The funny thing is that Chandler and Monica's room must have had hallways on both sides. Rachel entered from the hallway in this episode, and Chandler entered from the other side in 923.

She did a good job throwing her clothes and shoes on the floor in London, though. (It still amazes me that Joey failed to notice her shoes that were right there on the floor by the bed.) So yeah, they were probably too "busy" to clean it up.

Yeah, I noticed that, but I don't know what happened to her. Somehow I don't think Brad accidentally cut her with his sword from "Troy" or something like that. ;)

I doubt it. Big hair doesn't block out *that* much.

She finally had Mike by her side again, and nothing could ruin her day... Just kidding, but it was interesting to see that Phoebe and Mike were the only ones who paid attention. Monica laughed along with Rachel and Joey, while Chandler made jokes about his speech.

I think it's great that he's making another attempt to become friends with Ross. 909 was a complete disaster, so perhaps they'll be luckier the second time around.

Yeah, that name tag vanished all of a sudden...

And you won't give up hope, not even when Mike is back. :)

This was absolutely ridiculous. He's a professor who had just written a long speech for a conference. He should have remembered more of his own speech, not to mention had an extra copy on a CD or a disk.

I'm sure they were Ross's, as it would have been hard to get slides like that even at a paleontology conference in Barbados.

Whenever I've been in that region the weather has changed rather quickly, so who knows.

I guess we could have guessed it ended that badly, seeing that he was the one who talked about it and ducked in 118.

I doubt it.

How can you get worse than Monica? Maybe she has softened a little (i.e. 913), but she hasn't been cured yet.

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Once *he* had restored the speech?

And were those pictures new?

How come?

Absolutely, but that's what C4 is now showing as the promo here.

(Last week's promo was the pat-a-cake incident.)

Well, she had to bounce first, didn't she?

Fair enough, but I think that we should allow her to be competitive in a competitive sport. It's not like Monica was shagging Chandler in the bathroom, dissing Rachel's dates, or betting the apartment.

Yes but, (to paraphrase 208), he's not David.

I think it's just you, since I don't know what you mean <checks> ah yes, but Chandler said that about one Janice. If anything, I'm thinking more about Phoebe's song "Two of Them Kissed Last Night"...

# There was a girl, we'll call her Betty, And a guy, let's call him Neil. Now I can't stress this point too strongly, This story isn't real.

Now our Betty, must decide, Who will be the boy that she casts aside.

Will Neil be the one to love, Till his hair turns snowy? Or will it be the one, Who we'll call Jo... Loey?

She must decide, she must decide, Even though I made her up, she must decide! #

Indeed, we'd passed into silly joke territory by now.

Still funny, though.

Absolutely, and he's not her pussy (as Andr� put it).

Yep. Obviously, Charlie was caught by Joey's sexual magnetism, but that doesn't last, as Kathy found out when she switched over to Chandler.

Yes, but would Monica's decision be correct?

Rachel asked her if she could make out with Joey and not have it be a big deal, and Monica was quite right to tell her the answer was "no".

But does Monica have any right to stop Rachel making out with Joey and let it *be* a big deal, if that's what the pair of them want?

That's right, and that's why I'll go along with his eventual decision.

And I liked the elliptical way that Rachel told him the truth, and then Joey figured it out on his own.

What was that?

The three geeks should have thrown Ross & Charlie into the pool, to cool off their ardour? Or Ross & Charlie should have thrown the three geeks into the pool, to cool off their pranking?

Because Ross doesn't have the self-control that Joey has?

Compare their track record in dealing with drunken women.

Joey.

Well, what Ross said in 512 "TOW Chandler's Work Laugh" was that Janice & he have a lot in common; they've both been divorced, and both have kids.

His reaction was the same as here, he & Charlie have a lot in common.

And don't forget 315, when Ross moved faster than a speeding bullet.

So, you do agree with my assessment that Joey reacted as though he had been given permission; he wasn't acting out of revenge or spite?

Ah, but that would have to be Rachel entering the room and saying "hi", where we didn't know if it was Ross or Joey's room, then it turns out that both Ross & Joey are in there - or maybe Phoebe using a bowl to cut Monica's hair like Roddy McDowall's.

Thanks, I'm glad that you at least appreciated my description. :)

Because of what the audience might have done?

So it seems. I've noticed that many of them are insisting that 1001 will begin with Joey & Rachel discovering that the much-awaited kiss turns out to be disappointing; so I was relieved that I'd described this with such detail (the whole scene lasts only 22 seconds) that I had made it dead clear that there were two kisses, the second legitimising the first.

Yet even now they're excitedly discussing what is obviously a fake spoiler on http://www.aint-it-cool-news.com (it comes too early for starters).

Yeah.

Hey, 224 wasn't that bad; Ross & Rachel danced the Merengue, Monica shockingly dumped Richard, and Phoebe was exquisite with Chandler.

But I guess that seeing Janice again wasn't the biggest ending ever.

Absolutely. :)

You can *never* analyse too much for my taste, sweetie. :)

Any more that you haven't mentioned here?

Lol, but they *did* make up their minds in the end...

Hah. :)

Yay for you!

Well, since 424 he's doubtless already proved to her that he can suck...

I'm glad you agree, it possibly makes this official.

Yeah, in the old days of 21 minute episodes, he'd have been cut out.

Well no, but we were kinda spoilt by that, since it was so well done.

Well, for all we know, it's all over now.

Rachel hasn't or Jennifer hasn't?

Well, that's what she *said*, but she said the same about T*g J*n*s.

Could this be connected to the change in their circumstances?

It's technically possible to arrange for a set of cards to open more than one door, but there was no sign that Rachel used a card at all.

Really? I did not notice that.

In fact, I can't even recall a scene in their room in 923.

Yeah.

Maybe he thought that Chandler had been 'experimenting'.

Go Bings! :)

It's a big mystery!

Lol, I hope not!

Yeah, I was just kidding.

Awww... you cute little MnP fan, you. :)

Monica did laugh about "homo", but otherwise she paid attention.

I'm still wondering what Ross was doing, when the others hugged Phoebe at the end of 916. Did he run into Mike on the stairs? Did he try to talk some sense into Mike, or did he have a go at Mike for what he did to her?

OMG, I'd managed to forget about 909! That was *SOOO* boring!

I think that this was where I started to go off Mike.

Maybe it was Kate Miller's...

That's right, for the foreshadowing is still there, still going on.

I have still not forgotten erroneously giving up on Chandler & Monica, after I thought that I'd been proved wrong in 401 "TOW the Jellyfish".

That's right, plus on the internet somewhere that another computer can get at, and an emergency paper only version just in case.

But then I'm sure that at school when taking exams, you didn't just bring lots of biros & two geometry sets; your gonks had back-up gonks, yes?

So would not the slides have enabled Ross to recreate his speech?

Ooh, did your hair go bushy?

Yeah, now all we need is why Chandler got bitten by a peacock at the zoo.

Because they'd all learnt to duck?

LOL

Okay, but she wasn't as bad here.

Oh yes! Well done. I should've remembered that. Thanks.

Yeah...

Ah, see, now to you, those are armpits.

But to me, they are *Monica's* armpits...

Check.

Absolutely, (though a wonderful scene, beautifully directed by Schwimmer).

Indeed not not, and Chandler is good for her.

Right.

Okies.

Yeah, and revenge for having to act "The Dropper".

What?

Like a conch?

Yeah, but Joey had to be talking about Curious George from the start.

Maybe he was, but why didn't Ross pick up on it?

Yeah. :)

Absolutely. Why didn't they use hair extensions instead?

Yeah, me too!

Ah.

Yes, he's bound to figure strongly next season, since he now holds the record for an outsider SO, pushing Emily into 2nd place...

11 Mike Hanigan (903-924) 10 Emily Waltham (414-501)

7 Janice Littman (224-308)

6 Julie ? (124-208) 6 Richard Burke (215-224) 6 Mark Robinson (311-319) 6 Pete Becker (318-324) 6 Kathy ? (405-413) 6 Tag Jones (704-714) 6 Mona ? (805-817)

5 Joshua Bergin (413-420) 5 Janine LeCroix (607-611) 5 Elizabeth Stevens (618-624) 5 Charlie Wheeler (920-924)

Sigh. I was thinking that this could become a plot point.

Oh well, can't win 'em all.

I think it was just that you couldn't top that wonderful moment after Chandler gave Monica the bad news, and she cried in his arms. For me, it would have been a great cliffhanger for 924, but I guess that the producers wanted something more 'up' (to coin a phrase).

I take it you caught all the meanings of "homo erectus"? ;)

You're saying that "Kate Miller" was just a name sitting in the basket, with no more significance than Frank Medeio & Eva Trorrowomba?

Good.

I agree. Leave Joey & Rachel together, and go on to fresh stories.

But that barrier has already been crossed, hasn't it? After he'd made that objection to Rachel, then seen Ross & Charlie, Joey went back.

She wouldn't give up that easily.

I'd like to see Ross happy, but Charlie won't be around long.

Yeah, but nice all the same for the JnR fans. :)

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On Mon, 09 Jun 2003 17:55:13 BST, Tennant Stuart wrote:

Lol. I've never had that problem.

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"They," sorry. :)

Maybe he had them on a CD.

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They?

This is something I asked you to decide on, for Belphoebe & me, but you gave no definite answer, and all I'm left with is the text...

ROSS: Oh my God, we did it!

CHARLIE: Actually I did it, Ross.

He put his slides on to CD, but not his speech?

Oh, sure - but it was Rachel & Monica who laughed at "homo", Joey laughed at "erectus". However, you're right, this does show that both Rachel & Monica are more like Joey, than like Ross.

Oh, of course, I keep forgetting you're over here. :)

Joey was merely Charlie's rebound guy between Alby & Ross.

CHARLIE: (After Joey laughs) You're... you're kidding, right?

But if Ross fails to measure up, she might well bounce again.

CHARLIE: You remembered shockingly little of your own speech.

How did she take it to a whole different level? By acting like a pool-room lawyer who quotes the rule book, to score a point? Oh wait, that was Mike.

Haha, neat point.

That's okay, I like references. :)

I know, I think he was caught by the whole transatlantic pussy/fanny thing.

That's right. Charlie is where Rachel was about 8 years ago.

Even though Monica did the same thing, and she's very happy?

Well, Monica was only asked if Rachel could get away with a fling without it causing a fuss, she wasn't asked about a serious relationship.

As long as they're all happy, I really couldn't care less about the final pairings, as long as that includes Ross & Phoebe. :)

Oh, I thought you meant that Joey fell through the doorway in 501.

Why? (But see 16 lines below).

Right.

Ah, you just answered my "Why?" of 16 lines above.

Well, this is what made Joey realise that he'd waited long enough for Rachel, granted that she is Ross's third ex-wife, and they have a child together.

I did miss your point.

Absolutely, I quite agree.

However, it's curious that in 407, Joey also covered this ground...

CHANDLER: It's-it's about Kathy. I like her. I like her a lot actually.

JOEY: Well, your timing couldn't be better. She's not my girlfriend any more, she broke up with me. It's okay, cos you came to me first.

CHANDLER: When you were late last night, we got talking, one thing led to another and I kissed her. I think I'm in love with her.

JOEY: You went behind my back! I would never do that to you!

..while 512 began like this...

JOEY: It's not that big of a deal, so Monica & Chandler are doing it.

RACHEL: This is a huge deal! I need more details. Who initiated the first kiss? Is he romantic with her? Are they in love?

JOEY: (to all her questions) I don't know.

RACHEL: You don't know anything.

JOEY: I know one thing, they did it right there! (He points to where she's sitting, and she jumps up to examine the cushions.)

..Joey has no problems with two of his friends having sex when there is no baggage involved (or in the 924 case has been resolved) while Rachel is concerned that it's in the context of an emotional relationship.

Ah. Good. Great. We agree. :)

Yes, it's been long enough, the baggage has been put away.

Lol, that so pissed Rachel off.

Well, if there was, he ended up with the same expression in his face.

Lol, thanks. Next time Andr� accuses me of writing like Nora Tyler Bing just because he'd said so, I'll quote that back to him, to show that I was just as capable of writing like that more than two years ago.

Yeah, I guess.

Yes, but my point was that the kiss will not turn out to be disappointing, since they did do that, and then they went & did it again.

Good for you.

Ooh, I read that straight off, since it's mostly pairs (a-n, e-r, g-t) and f-s is always coming up, while the trickier j-w was in the GBJ.

However, if S9 taught us anything, it was that titles can easily be changed, and anyway it's far too early for valid spoilers.

Even Phoebe freaking out over Chandler's cyberchick?

Ewww.

Ooh yes, good one. Any more?

I hope so too. :)

Well, I'm glad that in Britain we got all the supersized episodes in the same length as were shown on NBC; especially as I was let down in S7 after confidently predicting that 713-716 would be uncut, then they were cut.

Ah yes, leaning against the doorpost, flowers in his hand...

And Rachel was so cute when she looked around to see if the other Joey was still in his bedroom.

Do you? I'm thinking that the triangle/rectangle thing is over, and S10 will be about JnR bonding against a disapproving four.

Well, this is where we've already disagreed, since I reckon that is just what she told Monica & Phoebe, since they didn't enthuse.

Yes indeed, I've been saying this all through S9, with many people not believing me; that Joey was failing to move on since his heart wasn't in it, hence the disgraceful way that he'd been using women from the studio. Even Charlie didn't mean that much to him, though at least Joey did bother to remember her name.

Intriguing...

No card slot?

Oh, of course, thanks.

I guess I thought of that scene as being in Mike's apartment.

Hehe.

Okay.

Well, I don't think that she felt she had to, she just did do, IYSWIM.

RPGOL!

Right....

The piano bar thing? What did he do?

He didn't even make Phoebe tell Monica that her breasts were showing.

Hmmmm...

Thanks.

Yep.

There you go, then.

Yeah, which makes me think that Charlie created them.

Ah, but ponytails aren't as adorable as Monica's hair was. :)

Yeah, what happened to that?

Right.

It was embellishing! :)

Lol, I know sweetie, I know... :)

Suredly so. Also it compensated for the slow swimmers thing.

Ooh, I forgot that, well done! Curious, isn't it?

Why wouldn't she?

Yes I know, but here it wasn't that he didn't think that Oberblau was gay, it was that he then thought that Oberblau wasn't gay just because he was married - yet he knows all about Carol's first marriage.

Oh yes?

Okay, Why didn't they use a wig instead?

Could be.

Yeah, or else his clock is ticking.

Awww... poor you.

Yep, the true meaning in the speech which went very well for Ross, Charlie going off Joey, bonding for Joey & Rachel, the ping-pong game (man versus hair), and of course the final 22 seconds...

That would be a bit bad if they did.

I did *not* say "R/J/R", just "Joey & Rachel".

You're just saying that because you're bored with the triangle, but I reckon that they will remove Ross from the equation.

I hope she does, since that would mean an 11th season.

She hasn't seen it yet, the poor dear; merely read the spoilers.

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Gotta hate when it goes flat ;)

IMO, Charlie wrote it again... Ross didn't really seem to give much input

that's why it's on TV and not real life. ;)

Who could resist laughing at homo-erectus?!?! Even better, who would actually name something that??

Maybe Ross isn't as smart as she expected

Maybe Monica has finally found her match when it comes to being competitive... good thing Mike wasn't around when they were competing for the gellar cup.

I don't think Mike has really done anything wrong... he had some econd thoughts about wanting to get married again, but I think everyone gets cold feet, especially after already being divorced once.

transatlantic pussy/fanny thing?? haha

If she didn't plan on staying with him, why would she agree to be with him for that long in Barbados?

I think Monica is just worried that things won't turn out well between them... look how rough everything was between Rachael and Ross for awhile. It kind of brought the entire group down.

I agree

I think Ross will end up with a girl we haven't met yet on the show, and Phoebe will marry Mike.... I just don't think the producers will pair up each of the Friends together.

Ross gets himself into a lot of lies that he has trouble getting himself out of

It's hard to resist someone you are falling for no matter who has dated the person.

If he was just acting out of revenge he would do it just to get back at Ross, not because he actually cared for Rachael. ... Since it's pretty obvious he likes Rachael a lot, I don't think he would lead her on just for revenge with Ross.

I don't think there was a time lapse since the producers didn't shoe Joey comtemplated outside Rachael's door.... he seemed to be sure of himself after he spotted Ross and Charlie

It was quite an impressive description

As long as they don't decide part way through kissing that they feel bad about "betraying" Ross

I don't think it's over either... Ross is going to be upset with Joey and then there are going to be cat fights again between Rachael and Ross/ Joey and Ross..... Ross is a bit of a baby sometimes.

Joey didn't seem like the type of character that would ever truly fall in love.... MLB plays this part well

Or perhaps how his Dad feels. ;)

Phoebe never really had the dramatic parts in the episodes, it's good to see she's getting more storylines and now just throwing out some jokes the entire time.

Must be a Gellar thing.

Ross could have recreated his speech if he really wanted to I'm sure, but Charlie seemed to remember it almost word for word, so why would he bother?

Ponytails can still get frizzy....trust me! lol Plus, I'm not so sure there is a ponytail holder big enough to hold that big fuzz ball that was growing on Monica's head. lol

The hair was hilarious

ewwww...... there is nothing cute about anyone's armpits.... they stink! lol

Obviously being married doesn't make someone not gay

Yeah that would be terrible to wash all the hairspray out

The cliffhanger *was* pretty boring

I'm confused with this statement....

You're insistent on seeing Ross and Rachael together then?

I'm kind of bored with Rachael's love problems altogether.... just think of how many boyfriends she has had and how many relationships she has ruined.

I highly doubt we will see an 11th season, although i would be quite happy if we did.

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That's right, she said he remembered shockingly little.

OTOH, we don't know how good the original was, maybe Charlie made it worse.

Makes no diff, you're just criticising the writers instead of Ross.

Not Cheryl, (the palaeontology doctoral candidate specializing in the Cenozoic era, who was so beautiful that Monica praised her ass while Phoebe went all lesbo about her), when outside her front door...

CHERYL: Um, would you like to come in?

ROSS: Did Homo Erectus hunt with wooden tools?

CHERYL: According to recent findings!

Errr.. someone with a clean mind? ;)

He isn't - she's been dating geniuses & Nobel prize-winners, remember?

If it had been Monica not Phoebe, Mike would've got dumped good & hard.

Yep. Do you know what I mean?

How do you mean?

Well, the group got over that in about one episode.

Thanks, Jess.

Nah, Ross & Phoebe are destined for each other.

Dunno about the other 4 tho.

Well yes, and the biggest & stupidest was the annulment thing in S6.

Quite so, but Joey did resist for over a year.

Good, I'm glad we agree too. :)

Yes, I agree.

Thankyou, Jess!! I'm so pleased that people are now appreciating it! :)

Well, Joey has sorted that out now, while Rachel wouldn't let it worry her.

I'm not saying that there won't be repercussions, I'm just saying that it's the end of the love triangle/square/rectangle whatever.

Well, some people who look as though they'd never truly fall in love are just shallow types who are incapable of loving that much; while others who look as though they'd never truly fall in love are in fact already in love with a person they can't have, so they're just thrashing around.

Ah yes, cutest dad in the show so far...

Absolutely Jess, but I want to see her get strong non-romantic stories.

Because it's a huge moment in his career?

LOL

Yay, I'm glad you agree. :)

Nah, Monica smells like a meadow... :)

Exactly.

You just throw it away.

Yep, but that just means it won't be overturned by the S10 opener.

In the speech, "homo erectus" refers to the earliest human species that walked upright on its hind legs, not stooped like an ape.

On Joey's left, "homo erectus" was the nail in his relationship with Charlie, when she realised they were hopelessly incompatible.

On Joey's right, the laughter about "homo" and "erectus" reinforced the growing realisation that he & Rachel arevery well suited.

In the ping-pong game, a man ("homo") played against a woman whose hair had become so huge that it was inexplicable ("erectus").

In the final 22 seconds of the season, Joey ("homo") passionately kissed Rachel, edging her towards the bed since he was "erectus".

No, I say leave Joey & Rachel together, and go on to fresh stories.

Right, so settle her down with Joey, and then we won't have to put up with her love problems any more.

Well, the replacement for "Friends" has turned out so racy that NBC is planning to air it at 9:30pm, so there is no replacement for "Friends".

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Well, that excludes me. lol.

But didn't Monica want Mike to come to Barbados to stop Phoebe from getting engaged to someone else? Maybe she realized that Mike didn't mean to hurt Phoebe.

no idea! It just sounded odd

Well if Charlie just thought Joey was fun and didn't plan to have a relationship with him, then why would she invest all that time and money with him in Barbados? I just wouldn't want to bother unless I really planned on staying with that person.

True, but it is still brought up every now and then.

I give him credit for that.

Thanks! :)

How could they not??

very true... I didn't think of it that way before.

She deserves them, she's a strong actress when they give her the opportunity.

Right, therefore he wouldn't want to ruin it by not having his speech almost exactly how he prepared it..... Charlie was able to do this for him. Ross may have had to sacrafice some parts because of the limited time he had for preparation.

You must have been to some nasty meadows in your time.....

I meant it would be hard to wash out of real hair.... I agree the wig would have been fine.

Wow..... now that's some deep analyzing

Sounds good

Almost nothing could replace Friends

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lol

That's Monica looking after her little Phoebe.

On your side of the Atlantic, "pussy" is somewhat rude, while "fanny" isn't. On our side of the Atlantic, the fanny has moved round to the front, while a pussy is merely a pet cat.

What investment with Joey?

She went to the palaeontology conference, and he went with her.

Oh, I dunno, Phoebe seems to regard it as a spectator sport.

Good.

Aww... you're so kind.

Some people accused me of being Nora-Tyler-Bingish, but all I did was accurately describe what happened in the closing scene.

You're welcome.

Right.

Nah, I think he just completely funked it, and she did the best she could.

Well, 'tis true that none of them compare with Monica's.

Oh, okay.

Thanks. Most of my review subtitles are like that.

Wheels within wheels...

Right!

Sigh...

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On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 21:01:00 BST, Tennant Stuart wrote:

I know that. I've never had a problem with my hair in the heat, and I've been in the Caribbean a couple of times. :)

I didn't give you an answer since I really don't have any.

Maybe the picture-files were huge, I dunno. Also, he needs the space for his computergames (921).

Yeah, and the girls have no idea what he's talking about when he talks about "homo ---".

I'm not there now though.

True. It was a temporary fling just for fun.

I think we'll agree to agree/disagree on this one.

I'm talking about her competitive behaviour so far in the series. 118, 309, 412, 517 etc.

Transatlantic confusion, huh?

Ross?

Totally different situation.

This can never be just a funny fling, though. If Rachel and Joey want to have fun for a few episodes, that's okay, but the repercussions will be far too important to ignore. I fear that the entire show will revolve around it, even more so than it already does. Just the thought of another season about this triangle makes September seem too soon.

Apparently, you have bigger requirements than I do. It has to be a sign of me not enjoying the show as much as I used to.

Nah, he was too busy eating meat.

Too much baggage.

Very true. This really was one of Joey & Chandler's best moments.

Absolutely.

I disagree. The baggage will always be there. In real life they would have moved on ages ago, but this is a TV-show that relies upon sweeps-worthy romances. As long as there is a show called Friends, there will be people wondering about Ross and Rachel. If there had been no Emma, Rachel and Joey could have had a chance, but they'll never stay together now. I'm convinced that the show will end up with RnR, even though it's really boring. I'd be delighted if it turned out differently, though.

The chicken disease wasn't very popular either.

I'm just saying that it is possible.

You have hope; I don't.

It's not just S9, though, but yes, it is too early for spoilers.

Nothing amazing about that scene. Monica and Richard were really boring (good riddance!), Rachel was painful to watch, while Ross was too one-dimensional.

It was funny and unexpected compared to the other ridiculous "gay" kisses in e.g. 720.

Chandler and Monica interrupted in bed by someone else?

We got a supersized 906, and that was the first time they showed an extended Friends-episode over here.

Absolutely. S8 at its best.

Yeah, with a jealous Ross watching. Mental Geller alert!

Yep, we do disagree.

I think he really tried with Charlie though. Otherwise, he wouldn't have gone through all the trouble with the Met. But even though he made an attempt to have a serious relationship with her, it didn't work.

Not that I could see, no.

Okay.

He played the piano and had several funny lines. That's more than enough for me.

That was Phoebe's responsibility.

He did take the others' advice in 604, though.

I'm afraid I don't understand how that hairdo is adorable. It was too exaggerated and ugly.

I told you. There were references all over the place. :)

There are thousands of Georges in the world. She might have been thinking about George Stephanopoulos for all we know.

SNL has a skit with Rachel Dratch playing "the girl with no gay-dar." It's quite funny.

You should ask the costume department.

I know the answer to this one, so I'm going to stay mum.

Oh, I see. :)

They made Rachel younger in season 7, so who knows what they did here.

What's the difference? Ross is still going to be involved.

No, I don't think so. They need to remove both of the guys from this ridiculous plot, and let all of them move on.

Aww, you and your 11th season. :)

Oh, I guess she'll love it once she gets to see it, though.

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Fair enough, especially since in the show, only Monica had trouble.

That's okay sweetie, you tried your best. :)

I hope I did a good job of representing your position.

Yes, he was playing a shoot'em up on that laptop, then pretended to be doing his emails when Charlie came in. Maybe if he's let her see the lighter side of him in the previous episode, she would not have gone off with Joey instead.

Who is the "he" in that sentence?

Sure, are you back in Norway?

Right.

Yep, but 924 was a competitive game, and it was Mike who went too far.

Absolutely.

No, Joey. Rachel had a crush on him almost 9 years ago, but by about 8 years ago she was over it.

Two best friends cross the line into a sexual relationship?

First of all, I disagree that there must be a triangle, which us what you keep moaning about. There might be a triangle, but OTOH there might not be a triangle. Ross has moved on, maybe he'll move on further.

Second of all, the show revolved around RnR in their day, then the C/K/J triangle, then CnM for years. What matters is that the relationships give the creative staff interesting stories to write about. Going back in time to some neat arrangement lacking in conflict is not going to do that.

Oh poor you. This seems to have happened to a lot of fans who came to the show in their teens, rather than being the same age as the main cast.

That's right, but when in 501 did Chandler open the door?

That's where dramatic & funny stories come from, check out Ross in S1.

Yep.

Right.

Sweetheart, you sound very pessimistic these days.

Exactly.

Maybe we'll find out in a S14 flashback, where we'll complain that Charlie's dress was a slightly different colour.

No, the suggestion was that once Rachel actually kissed Joey, there would be no spark, and she would realise that she didn't want to continue.

But they kissed twice, and the second kiss was even better than the first.

Right.

Oh, I *loved* that!

That was so tragic! <sob>

Yeah, you're right there.

I had to think a bit before I got that. Two women is different!!!

In 424?

Yay! There must have been a change in the contractual arrangements.

Right. And that's the quality I'm hoping for in S10.

Well, I'm hoping for the Ross we saw in 816 and 921.

Exactly, the heart wants what it wants.

Cheap props.

Hah, now who's being easily pleased? ;)

Yeah, he didn't make her fulfil her responsibility.

Yes, he did.

Let's face it, you just don't see Monica the way I do. :)

You were right!

Why would Joey be as curious as George Stephanopoulos?

Weird.

Sadly, they didn't reply to my review.

Okay.

Well done.

Any other subtitles you never got?

Yep.

So will Monica & Phoebe. But it won't be a triangle.

In fact it's possible that Ross will be too happy with Charlie to care, and we'll get a Joey/Rachel/Monica/Phoebe story arc.

It might be as bad as you fear, but I don't think it's likely, and there are certainly no grounds for despair *before* we see S10.

Thanks.

That's what I'm hoping. AFAIC this is for her.

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924 "TOI Barbados (part 2)"

The morning of the third day at the Barbados conference is beautifully sunny, but alas the friends cannot enjoy it since they have to attend the keynote speech. However, Dr.Geller does well, thanks to Charlie's hard work, some clear visual aids, and the odd palaeontological joke.

Monica, Phoebe & Mike listen politely, and Chandler tries to restrain himself; but frustrated beach babe Rachel just can't sit still, without making bitchy comments. As the speech turns to homo erectus, Charlie is upset that Joey finds "erectus" funny, while Rachel giggles at "homo".

Once Dr.Geller concludes, he runs to hug Phoebe as she congratulates him, but then he's pulled aside by an adoring Professor Oberblau who admires the man more than the speech. Ross is glad that Charlie was there to inspire him, making her feel like his groupie - and when he jokes about finding her naked in his room, she catches her breath.

                             ---o0o---

The others hope to hit the beach at last, but the heavy rain resumes, so Mike suggests they play Ping Pong in the games room. Monica's eyes light up, so Chandler & Phoebe remind her of the last time that they played - when she pinched them, then clunked their heads together.

However, Mike is not afraid to play her, since after he wins the first point, he informs Monica that he's awesome. As she becomes increasingly competitive, Chandler has to stop his wife from playing for money; then Mike the ex-lawyer disallows Monica's first point on a technicality.

Though Monica eventually wins the game, Phoebe is turned on by Mike's aggression; while Chandler recoils from his sweaty wife, whose hair is getting bigger. Then to Monica's despair, Mike levels the score.

After three hour's play, the deciding game remains tied for a further hour, and even Phoebe's enthusiasm has waned; while Chandler protests to Monica that her hand is blistered, she can hardly stand, and her hair has now become so huge that it's inexplicable.

But when Monica injures her wrist, she's forced to forfeit, unable to believe she's lost - except Chandler steps in and brilliantly wins the match, explaining he hid his prowess to avoid doubles tournaments.

                             ---o0o---

Back in their room, Joey & Charlie discuss how he's had the best time with Rachel, while she's had fun with Ross - yet they have had little fun together. Thus Charlie breaks up with him, for they have nothing in common. Joey brings his bad news to Rachel, saying he feels stupid for always going after the wrong girl, such as her and then Charlie; but Rachel denies this, and she isn't talking about Charlie...

When Joey leaves her room, the incredible truth hits him; and once he goes back inside, the look on her face speaks volumes. Rachel reveals that she's fancied him for a month, but Joey says that they can't be together since it just wouldn't be right, he can't do that to Ross.

Apologising and agreeing it was no big deal, Joey goes outside again to wrestle with his feelings, finally leaning against her door in deep despair - when Rachel opens the door, and he falls right through!

                             ---o0o---

Oberblau starts coming on to Ross, who is saved by the arrival of the guy's unhappy wife; then Charlie takes Ross aside to tell him that she & Joey broke up. She's about to reveal her feelings for Ross when they are interrupted by three geeks who want to throw the keynote speaker into the pool - so Ross grabs Charlie's arm, and they run off.

Ross & Charlie hide from their pursuers behind a potted palm, pressed together to look like an amorous couple. Revealing that she's single, Charlie kisses him, and so Ross kisses her back. He starts to protest that he can't do this to Joey, but gives up and kisses her hungrily.

The couple are really going for it, when Joey arrives & sees them. He carefully watches the pair; considering, contemplating, and concluding that he has the green light: then calmly returns to Rachel's bedroom.

As Rachel opens the door, Joey answers her question with a sweet kiss, holding her gently. She searches his face, then lets slip a small moan of acceptance. Staring deeper into her eyes, Joey brushes a stray lock from her cheek, while her arms snake around his neck to hold him tight, before his manly hands slide up her naked back to dive into her hair.

Starting to kiss more fervently, Joey's arms crush Rachel against him whilst her mouth grants entry to his thrusting tongue. Suddenly, their hands are everywhere as Rachel sinks right into him; with their joined passion rising, things are beginning to get steamy, so Joey kicks the door closed behind him, and then he edges Rachel towards the bed...

                             ---o0o---

Well, this episode was good fun, despite having the most foreseeable twist ending in the history of the show. Or maybe that was the least foreseeable ending, for anybody who was actually expecting a twist.

Poor David was quickly forgotten; as once again Mike wormed his way back into the gang, but he did at least give over-competitive Monica a run for her money - and the bigger her hair became, the funnier she was. Though Phoebe's reactions did not quite ring true, Matthew Perry became a joy to watch, as Chandler's love & loyalty saved the day.

Meanwhile, plot wheels were rotating, as the Rachel/Joey/Charlie/Ross love square finally sorted itself out. With a script by creators Marta Kauffman & David Crane to sanction such a momentous development, good buddies Joey & Rachel crossed the line, presumably becoming a couple.

Though the gay admirer sub-plot was awkward & embarrassing, Schwimmer cut a dash as Ross 'eloped' with Charlie, who at last had the childish fun that she could never permit with Joey. On the other hand, Joey was made to do some tough thinking, and it was right that he struggled for a longer time than Ross did, before finally following his heart.

But then, LeBlanc is always at his best when working with Aniston, and while their chemistry was as superb as it's ever been, I also enjoyed the pair's delightful comic moments, which helped to ease the dramatic tension. Okay, as finales go, this was no classic, but it did provide the right sort of fans with a happy ending. Yet what of the morrow?

                             ---o0o---

A major question left unanswered by this episode was how much of the keynote speech was composed by Professor Wheeler; for she *physically* wrote all of it, as Ross remembered shockingly little of his original.

This would be of academic interest if the speech had not gone so very well, which raises a dark suspicion: that although the vast bulk of the speech was his - all the hard work, all of the academic excellence - it could be Charlie's turn of phrase that made it so entertaining.

So does this mean that Ross is a boring buffoon, who sends his friends, students, and most recently Professor Sherman to sleep? Well no, for if we look back it's clear that he is very successful with another group of people whom we've tended to overlook - his fellow palaeontologists.

For example, in 301 "TOW the Princess Leia Fantasy", we learnt that he'd had his paper published; then in 302 "TOW No-one's Ready", Dr.Geller was invited to thank people for donating money to the museum, after which he was praised by a Sherman Whitfield of the London Institute; and then in 321 "TOW a Chick. And a Duck" he was to appear on the Discovery Channel.

More significantly, Ross enjoys success with female colleagues: in 406 "TOW the Dirty Girl", Cheryl the curvaceous blonde doctoral candidate specializing in the Cenozoic era laughed at his palaeontology jokes as she took him back to her place; the young woman who admired his work in 707 "TOW Ross's Library Book" was soon hot to trot behind the shelves; when he met Charlie the first thing she said was how much she enjoyed a recent article; and as soon as he arrived at the Barbados conference he was accosted by woman who'd been following his career for years.

So, if Ross had presented the speech that he'd written, and that had been well received, there would be no grounds for any surprise. But it was Charlie's hand which drove the pen across the page, and there has never been a reference to her having a photographic memory, so there simply had to have been at least some differences in the text.

The question is, did these differences do the trick? Could they have made the speech worse? The problem is that there's no convincing proof either way. Sadly, Ross was not allowed to have his moment to bask in deserved praise from his peers - instead we are merely left to wonder, while questioning his ability to remember most of his own speech.

                             ---o0o---

Ooh look, Monica has the left side of the bed!

It's bad enough that these people leave their front doors unlocked at home, but to do this at a hotel? Chandler did mention adjoining rooms, but Rachel clearly burst in from the corridor.

And just look at how untidy that room is! Shouldn't Monica have got it all cleaned up before the chambermaid sees it? Or is she learning at last to fling off her clothes in glorious abandon, for yet another night of no-holds-barred anything-goes no-loss-situation sex?

When Chandler reveals that Ross's speech is in 45 minutes, take a look at Rachel's left forearm, where Jennifer's bandage seems to have been removed. This becomes most obvious later on when she folds her arms to ask Joey what he was talking about, and you can clearly see a long cut (or scar) running along her arm; does anyone know what had happened to her? At least this illustrates how a finale is really two episodes.

Was Monica able to survive the keynote speech with such aplomb because her hair was even frizzier by now, and she couldn't hear a word?

Do you recall when Ross was first offered a lecturing post at NYU, and his friends tried to help improve his technique? Phoebe begged him not to drone on, Joey made him acknowledge his audience, Chandler advised him to begin his lecture with a joke, and Rachel suggested some visual aids. Here Ross did that, so how come only Phoebe listened politely?

Where did the slides come from, or were they a source of inspiration?

Whose name tag does Mike Hanigan wear? Wouldn't he hate to be labelled as David Something? And even if he did not care, Mike could have used that as an excuse for taking Phoebe to the beach in the sunshine.

Did you notice the continuity error when Rachel giggled about the word "homo"? At first her right hand was waving her name tag near her face; and then she was holding up her left hand, without any name tag.

Notice once again it's always Ross & Phoebe who run to hug each other.

And it's Phoebe whom Ross tells how much it means that she's there.

And was that brief period of sun meant to be the eye of the storm?

That was nice continuity to hear a further titbit about the notorious Pictionary Incident. We first heard of this in 118 "TOW All the Poker" when Monica *claimed* that she was merely gesturing, the plate slipped out of her hand; but now we learned that Chandler received a scar upon his forehead. Or was that later on, after Monica was so frustrated that the guys couldn't recognise her sketch of a bird, yet when Rachel drew a bean, Joey knew that she meant "The Unbearable Lightness of Being"?

Is Phoebe proud to discover that Mike is not soft, like Chandler? Or does it count against him to be even more competitive than Monica?

Wow, big bushy hair, little beads of sweat, a loose cleavage, how can Chandler fail to be turned on by his steamy woman?

When Phoebe told Mike to knock that dog off Monica's head, was that an expression, or a reference to the bushy hair?

Monica can't believe that she's lost, but in fact we have seen her lose many times before. Her biggest loss cost her the apartment, for which she was rightfully anguished; but when she lost the mattresses too, she took it quite well. And there were only token grumbles when she lost at poker and the 50 States game - while after she lost that huge fight with Rachel, poor Monica was crushed, and fled in tears.

Are we to assume that Phoebe wants to be spanked with Mike's paddle?

Should Monica be so surprised by Chandler's prowess? We've seen them play doubles tennis before, and while she was a real tiger, he had to be good too, since he was letting his boss win. And of course Matthew Perry was once a leading junior tennis player, ranked 17th nationally in the singles category, and third in the doubles category.

Was this scene Matthew's revenge for having to act "The Dropper"?

What does happen if the sea turtle catches you? If you try to get away, would it chase you onto the beach? Does it come over to the beach house when you & a friend are making mad passionate love?

When Rachel needed Joey to tell her just who Curious George was, is that because her Curious George doll is no longer curious?

And isn't the guy with the yellow hat really Rainy Day Bear?

And was the monkey Marcel?

Or is it something to do with George W Bush?

Jarvis Oberblau of Cornell was clearly gay, yet for some strange reason Ross seemed to conclude that he wasn't, when Nancy Oberblau turned up, simply because they were married, and despite how Jarvis reacted to her. Does Ross not recall the conversation he'd just had with Charlie about his first wife & her ex-fianc�?

Charlie is only a secondary character, so her kiss with Ross was accompanied by silence; while Joey was given soaring music even as he walked down the corridor - "Untitled" by Interpol, from "Turn On The Bright Lights" - whereupon Rachel's positive reaction to their first kiss was marked by a crescendo on the cymbals, followed by a hard driving beat while the couple were really going for it...

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According to the filming report by Liat N & Mindy VR, when Ross was supposed to give his speech, the projector wouldn't work, but David Schwimmer fixed it. Ross was pleased that the only time the sun came out was during his speech, commenting that someone up there really likes him, but the people down there with him must be pissed off.

When Mike & Monica kept raising the stakes, Chandler didn't just cut off Monica, he set the prize to ten dollars per game. In some scenes the actors were actually playing the world female table tennis champ, who gave Matthew a game while the hair people were fixing & spraying Courteney's hair. He wasn't too shabby. At one point, Ross & Charlie ran into the games room, to hide on the other side of a pillar behind the door. After the hunt passed by, Ross was stunned to see Monica's big hair, then Charlie pulled him away, and they kept on running.

The scene where Joey falls through the doorway had to be done a few times, but for one take Matthew took Matt's place, much to Jennifer's surprise. Thereafter she kept checking around the end wall. The last scene where Joey & Rachel kiss was filmed after the audience left.

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So, what didn't happen in this second part of the finale? We heard no more of David, so did he leave the show forever, or will he now (as foreshadowed by the mirror & heart-shaped bed in Phoebe's room) fall in love with Ursula? Or worse, will Phoebe's relationship with Mike be undermined by their guilt if poor David should take drastic action? He was very depressed when we last saw him.

And how come there was no mention of the nymphomaniac plot? Charlie is supposed to be under the impression that Phoebe wanted every man she could get, which includes Ross as well as Joey, yet we didn't even see Charlie reacting to the the Mike/Phoebe/David triangle.

Then there are the Bings, coming to terms with mutual infertility, and hoping to adopt a baby, but there was not a mention of this; nor did we hear Rachel checking up on Emma, wherever she is.

We heard no more about Kate Miller, so was that a throwaway in-joke, or the harbinger of doom for Rachel? Will she be about to find some happiness at last with Joey, when the first woman he loved suddenly turns up at the Paradise Hotel? Even if she did, would Joey give up Rachel for one who treated him so badly in the end? Or could it be as simple as Joey moaning Kate's name at the height of passion?

In a nutshell, will episode 1001 completely reverse how this season ended? No matter how things look now, will Rachel recoil in disgust to run from Joey straight into Ross's surprised but welcoming arms?

For a little insight into that, consider how Seasons 1/3/4/5/8 ended with a huge twist, which simply was either undone at the start of the following season, or as part of the cliffhanger itself. But Season 9 didn't end with a twist, it was more like Seasons 2/6/7 which ended relatively quietly, and they were followed by smooth continuation.

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PLEASE note that this is about the *second* part of the finale, that's everything while Monica & Mike are playing Ping Pong.

If you have any comments about part 1, please refer to my review "Friends S09-23 - 88 little piggies". Many thanks.

Tennant Stuart

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In alt.tv.friends on Fri, 13 Jun 2003 at 21:00:00, Tennant Stuart wrote :

Why didn't she giggle the first time she heard it, though?

Maybe not so much of a joke now...

Punched.

Indeed.

Yet another uh-oh moment!

Three paragraphs? I just summed it up as 'Joey kisses Rachel passionately'.

I liked Ross's 'Get out' comment though.

'Right sort of fans'?

'Cameron Diaz' girl!

So?

Did she realise how thin the walls were before she tried that though? :)

That's surely a rhetorical question!

It just shows the writers aren't quite as anal retentive as the fans. :)

How on earth do you conclude that - Ross knew perfectly well, hence his 'get out' (of the closet) comment.

I wondered why the crowd didn't go insane, as with C&M in London.

Ross will be in for a shock when he hears about Rachel & Joey - and with those thin hotel walls, he might even *hear* them...!

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PeterPaul Hyett

"Paul Hyett" wrote in message news:[email]...

She *doesn't* look like Cameron Diaz!

[Second verse, same as the first. . . .]

Belphoebe

Tennant StuartPaul Hyett

In article , Paul Hyett wrote:

Because she did, but we were watching Joey & Charlie at the time?

Maybe so, but maybe we will be surprised by 1001.

Ouch, damn QWERTYUIOP keyboards & spellcheckers!

Thanks.

Yeah, and your FR924M.JPG captured it neatly, thanks.

Absolutely, this was turning point in the situation ever since 813.

It was a big occasion for the JnR fans.

As in "get out of the closet"?

Fans of Joey & Rachel, and/or Ross & Charlie, and/or Phoebe & Mike.

Exactly.

BTW, I've just been watching "There's Something About Mary" as recorded from last night (and Cameron Diaz was very good in it), but when those guys sang the song, it went "There's something about Mary that we don't know" - so what was it that we didn't know?

So, these things can be very significant.

Probably not, but were they?

You'd think so, but for some strange reason the women disagree. :)

Grin.

Yeah, I've just had Belphoebe bending my ear about that, I got it wrong.

Indeedy. They should have filmed this in front of the audience, and then everyone would have assumed it was a bluff.

Could be, but how do you know they're thin?

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In uk.media.tv.friends on Sun, 15 Jun 2003 at 23:07:21, Tennant Stuart wrote :

Maybe.

Ross may be distracted if he hears about J&R first!

That was the plan!

I didn't even write three paragraphs when C&M turned up in bed together in London - just one :

'Even though I knew it was coming, I still nearly had a coronary when Monica's head popped up from under Chandler's duvet!!! :-) They didn't seem all that drunk beforehand though, so that's one theory shot down, and they seemed very enthusiastic about a repeat performance once past their early embarrassment! If it had been ANYONE other than Joey on the receiving end of Chandler & Monica's weird denial remarks, they almost certainly would have been rumbled though!'

Exactly.

I don't know - I only bought the movie as part of a 'buy 2 get one free' offer, and just skimmed through it to check out CD. :)

Ross said so when they groaned about having to forego sunbathing to hear his speech.

Could you repeat that. :)

See above - it was made clear by Ross's comment.

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Tennant StuartPaul Hyett

In article , Paul Hyett wrote:

Or maybe she wanted to back Joey up, by laughing at the other word.

You're hoping that Ross will listen through the walls?

Ah.

It's just a matter of having an eye for detail.

Right.

Well, maybe you should watch the movie...

Good point.

However, Ross's room is across the corridor from Rachel's room.

I got it wrong.

I'm always ready to admit when I'm wrong, you simply have to convince me. :)

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In uk.media.tv.friends on Mon, 16 Jun 2003 at 23:08:20, Tennant Stuart wrote :

I'm thinking he might not be able to *avoid* hearing... :)

Isn't that what obsessive Trekkies say, too? :)

If only I had it on DVD, then I could zoom in on a certain Cameron Diaz scene... :)

I depends on just how loud they were being!

Grin.

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JessPaul Hyett

Thats always an annoying thing to wake up to.

Typical guy! lol

The louder the better ;)

Jess ~~~~ [email]
Tennant StuartPaul Hyett

In article , Paul Hyett wrote:

His room is across the corridor.

Well, I'm an obsessive "Friends" fan.

I assumed you did, since it came with a CD.

What scene is that?

If they're being that loud, then the thickness of the walls is irrelevant.

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In uk.media.tv.friends on Tue, 17 Jun 2003 at 23:44:36, Tennant Stuart wrote :

He heard R&M moan about delaying their sunbathing...

CD as in Cameron Diaz, not Compact Disc. :)

You can't remember? I do, and I only watched it once!

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cookie dudePaul Hyett

Paul Hyett likes to play a special version of 'Hey Jude', with 25 minutes of 'na nananana' and an extra verse that goes like this:

I'm guessing that's the scene that finishes with the ultimate anti-climax? (when she takes her clothes off and all of a sudden the guy is looking at her aunt sunbathing naked!?)

I am what I am not http://fear.mybigmouth.com
Tennant StuartPaul Hyett

In article , Paul Hyett wrote:

They were in Chandler & Monica's room.

Oh, LOL! I completely misunderstood that, sorry!

I'm not even sure what you're referring to.

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In uk.media.tv.friends on Fri, 20 Jun 2003 at 17:53:45, Tennant Stuart wrote :

That was my point!

I'm glad we've got that cleared up.

I'll have to dig out the tape and get a time reference...

OK - about 30:15 with the 'peeping tom' bit when CD is undressing. :)

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Tennant StuartPaul Hyett

In article , Paul Hyett wrote:

Right, so Ross could hear what was happening through the wall, since that room was next to his. But he could *not* hear what happens with Rachel & Joey in her room, since it is across the corridor.

Yep.

In what?

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In uk.media.tv.friends on Thu, 26 Jun 2003 at 18:17:39, Tennant Stuart wrote :

But it won't be for a few months that we find out whether there was anything *to* hear...

'Something About Mary' of course - that's what we started off talking about. :)

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In uk.media.tv.friends on Fri, 27 Jun 2003 at 06:41:15, Paul Hyett wrote :

BTW, I just saw some stuff about 'Charlie's Angel's 2' on Liquid News, and noticed that Cameron Diaz seems to be falling for the Hollywood trap of losing weight unnecessarily.

Compare her face in 'The Mask' with recent pics of her, and you'll see it is a lot less rounded than it was then - she's not far off looking gaunt. It's also affecting her figure, too. :(

On a side issue - IMO lots of the actresses who get boob jobs wouldn't need them if they didn't live on 'starving Ethiopian' diets.

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JessPaul Hyett

On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 07:48:12 +0100, Paul Hyett wrotE:

I heard Charlie's Angels 2 was really a bad movie too.... One review only gave it a half star.... how does a movie get a half star??

I beg to differ... I eat pleanty and my boobs don't seem to get any bigger! lol. Although I'm quite small so I would think big boobs would look odd on me. ;)

~Jess~

Paul HyettJess

In uk.media.tv.friends on Mon, 30 Jun 2003 at 13:27:17, Jess <Jessica.L. [email]> wrote :

I guess it's one of those movies that many men watch just for the 'eye candy'.

I wish I could say the same thing... :)

They seem to work for Laura San Giacomo (Maya in 'Just Shoot Me').

Not that you find many men who'll agree with the notion that 'big boobs are a bad thing'. :)

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Tennant StuartPaul Hyett

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Oh Paul, I'm sure your boobs would get bigger if you took more exercise.

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In article , [email] (Jess) wrote:

By being really really bad?

...........still thinking about that... ;-)

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JessTennant Stuart

On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 17:48:34 BST, Tennant Stuart wrotE:

They must have gotten a half star for "attempting" to act well ;)

Hmm... is that good or bad??

~Jess~

Tennant StuartJess

In article , [email] (Jess) wrote:

Or half a star for Demi Moore... ;)

Good.

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On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 07:48:12 +0100, Paul Hyett wrotE:

You couldn't even see anything though in that scene, could you? I thought it was just her tank top or bra or something?

~Jess~

cookie dudeJess

Jess likes to play a special version of 'Hey Jude', with 25 minutes of 'na nananana' and an extra verse that goes like this:

I think it was her bra... But don't go there, Paul has a vivid fantasy when it comes to things like these ;-)

Andr�
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Jesscookie dude

On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:24:33 +0200, "cookie dude" wrotE:

As most men do..... lol.

~Jess~

cookie dudeJess

Jess likes to play a special version of 'Hey Jude', with 25 minutes of 'na nananana' and an extra verse that goes like this:

true, but Paul is in a class of his own

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Jesscookie dude

On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 18:03:25 +0200, "cookie dude" wrotE:

Haha... imaginative men make the best lovers. ;)

~Jess~

Paul Hyettcookie dude

In uk.media.tv.friends on Mon, 30 Jun 2003 at 18:03:25, cookie dude wrote :

Is that a good thing or a bad thing? :)

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cookie dudePaul Hyett

Paul Hyett likes to play a special version of 'Hey Jude', with 25 minutes of 'na nananana' and an extra verse that goes like this:

whatever you want it to be :)

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Paul HyettJess

In uk.media.tv.friends on Mon, 30 Jun 2003 at 13:30:52, Jess <Jessica.L. [email]> wrote :

I wonder if there were any out-takes where she got the timing a little wrong, though? ;)

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Tennant StuartJess

In article , [email] (Jess) wrote:

I think Paul's fantasising about those naked tits earlier in the scene...

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In uk.media.tv.friends on Wed, 2 Jul 2003 at 17:49:41, Tennant Stuart wrote :

I'll send you the bill for a new keyboard after I just threw up on it at that thought...

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JessPaul Hyett

On Thu, 3 Jul 2003 07:05:33 +0100, Paul Hyett wrotE:

hahaha, you know you want her body! ;)

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As long as you did actually throw up on it, and not do something else... ;)

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In article , Paul Hyett wrote:

Oh dear.

I hate it when this happens, she was so gorgeous in "The Mask" but has gone downhill since - not because of her age (look at Demi Moore) - but this 'craze' for being too skinny, which I'm sure is not the wish of the actresses involved. The tragic thing of course, is ordinary teenagers making themselves too thin, thinking that otherwise they are ugly.

Absolutely, lets see more natural looking women, like Kate Winslet (if she is still a good example); or the 'new' Gwynneth Paltrow, who has put on a moderate amount of weight the last I saw.

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if you trust the tabloids, she has on her way to become the new Cher, replacing every possible part of her body

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In article , "cookie dude" wrote:

Ah, it's just as well that I don't trust the tabloids, then. :)

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In uk.media.tv.friends on Mon, 30 Jun 2003 at 17:11:49, Tennant Stuart wrote :

Then *make* themselves ugly by *being* too thin.

Incidentally, it's a wonder such teens and/or their parents haven't filed a class action lawsuit against the entertainment industry for promoting an unrealistic ideal that causes anorexia.

An older example might be Cybill Shepherd.

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Exactly. Then die.

Well, they should. And schools should hand out soft-porn magazines to the girls, to let them see what boys actually like.

Really? Oh good.

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On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 17:55:03 BST, Tennant Stuart wrotE:

Who died from being too thin?

I'm not so sure handing out soft porn would make parents much happier. lol. And arent most girls in porn mags thin also? With fake boobs? I don't think we should be showing girls that guys like fake boobs... there would be a bunch of 13 yr old girls running around with silicon chests! lol

Daddy FreddyJess

On Thu, 03 Jul 2003 13:09:56 GMT, in alt.tv.friends you wrote:

Karen Carpenter (singer, 2/4/1983) Christy Henrich (gymnast, 7/26/1994) Lena Zavaroni (actress, 10/1/1999) Heidi Gunther (ballet dancer, 6/30/1997) Michael Krasnow (writer, 10/9/1997)

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In article , Daddy Freddy wrote:

Oh, good call, I only thought of Karen Carpenter.

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In article , [email] (Jess) wrote:

Well, Karen Carpenter for starters.

Now, you see Jess, such misconceptions are *exactly* why they ought to do this. They have all shapes & sizes, thin & fat, cute & plain.

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On Mon, 07 Jul 2003 18:03:51 BST, Tennant Stuart wrotE:

You're an expert on the porn industry huh? ;) Maybe one day we will find out that you were in a porn movie like Joey.

Daddy FreddyJess

On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 14:51:41 GMT, [email] (Jess) wrote:

Someone will have to post it to the Friends binaries group!

JessDaddy Freddy

On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 04:17:54 GMT, Daddy Freddy wrotE:

So... You are saying you want to see Tennant in a porno then? lol. :)

Tennant StuartJess

In article , [email] (Jess) wrote:

You still haven't got the point of the Phoebe joke, have you? :)

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On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 04:31:14 BST, Tennant Stuart wrotE:

Uhh... I thought I did? Am I missing something?

Tennant StuartJess

In article , [email] (Jess) wrote:

Yes. Together with Karen & Freddy, you assumed that when I replied...

}�And Phoebe.

..that I was mistaken, as though I don't know "Friends" backwards. :)

Instead, consider the implications of that brief remark, in the context of what you had just said, which was...

}�in a porn movie like Joey.

Neither Joey nor Phoebe have actually performed in a porn movie (in the full sense of the word) despite people's misconceptions.

And neither have I.

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On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:08:42 BST, Tennant Stuart wrotE:

Oh, I know Joey didn't actually perform in the video... but it's the closest reference to Friends I could think of. :) And I figured Phoebe didn't actually perform either, but I never heard of any reference to her being in one either. To actually have one of the Friends perform in a porn video would be very unlike any of their personalities IMO.

Sure sure sure..... ;)

Tennant StuartJess

In article , [email] (Jess) wrote:

Fair enough.

Quite.

Grin.

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In article , [email] (Jess) wrote:

And Phoebe.

Tennant

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JessTennant Stuart

On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 03:29:49 BST, Tennant Stuart wrotE:

Phoebe was in a porno? I must not have seen that episode.

KMBJess

Not Phoebe, it was actually Ursula. But she used Phoebe's name as her 'stage name.' To get back at Ursula, Phoebe took all her paychecks and cashed them for herself. :))

Karen

JessKMB

On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 12:33:38 -0400, "KMB" wrotE:

Oh, I see. I never saw that episode... guess I'll have to wait for it to come out on DVD. :(

KMBJess

"Jess" wrote in message news:[email]...

Do you have any stations that show reruns where you are? In Cleveland, we get an hour each weeknight on a local station. Usually they are first or second season the first half-hour, then a newer one the next half. (or maybe the other way around...lol) I think TBS shows them during the week, too, not sure though. The episode with Phoebe/Ursula was just on a few weeks ago. Joey couldn't watch it at first, thinking it was Phoebe. Once it was known it was Ursula, he was into it. LOL :))

Karen

JessKMB

On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 14:49:22 -0400, "KMB" wrotE:

Actually, I live outside Cleveland. (Seven Hills/ Parma area) lol. I know there are re-runs, but usually I have already seen them so I would rather go do something during the summer rather than watch an episode I already saw. I missed a lot of episodes during seasons 4, 5 and 6 though. (some hectic years)

CarolineJess

Wow, several fellow Clevelanders ... it's a small world. (Strongsville area!)

Caroline :)

JessCaroline

On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 01:50:33 GMT, Caroline wrotE:

South Park mall.... I'm so jealous you are close to it! ;)

CarolineJess

Yup it's cool, but I enjoy it less since it got bought out and renamed trolloptown shopping village, or whatever they call it.

To explain to non-Clevelanders and UKers, the consortium that bought out South Park and other local malls uses Fat-arsed Fergie (sorry, the "Duchess" of Pork, I mean York) in all it's promotional materials ... I emigrate 3,000 miles and find her grinning moronic face plastered over wall in the mall. And all over the TV ads for the trolloptown village malls ... really, what IS the American fascination with her?

Rant off. ;)

Caroline

Tennant StuartJess

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It doesn't matter anyway, Karen has misunderstood what I'm talking about.

Or I could repost my review for you. :)

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JessTennant Stuart

On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 04:30:08 BST, Tennant Stuart wrotE:

k! I like your reviews!

Tennant StuartJess

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Okay, but beware that I wrote it a long time ago, before my style had settled down, although it did garner over 150 replies. :)

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JessTennant Stuart

On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:10:11 BST, Tennant Stuart wrotE:

I'm sure it's still a good review. :)

Tennant StuartJess

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Thanks!

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On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 18:12:21 BST, Tennant Stuart wrotE:

YW :)
Tennant StuartKMB

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Well, *actually* you are wrong, Karen. :)

But since you deleted the message you replied to, you won't know *why*...

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Tennant StuartJess

In article , [email] (Jess) wrote:

That was the name written on the video. ;-)

Check out 614 "TOW Chandler Can't Cry".

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In other words, wait & hear. :)

I don't remember that bit, unless it was less than I'm imagining.

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PeterTennant Stuart

"Tennant Stuart" wrote in message news:[email]...

Okay, trying to respond just to the new bits. . . . Maybe we can combine posts.

Well, this still seems to leave out Ross's effort and make it seem as if the speech was Charlies in its entirety.

Ross is glad that Charlie was

Well, I'm glad to see that you no longer say that it's no wonder Charlie mouthed the words, as it "was she who wrote" the speech. ---o0o---

Well, I still don't think this was something that the writers meant the viewers to think. However, I can't prove that, so it's a fairly "moo point." ;)

But I appreciate your leaving it as an unanswered question rather than drawing the conclusion that Charlie "wrote" the speech.

Well, since we've already discussed this so thoroughtly, I won't rehash!

Yes! Well said. :)

Yup, yup.  :)

Nicely put. :)

Maybe the writers would be so kind as to retcon a photographic memory. ;)

For all we know, Ross's version could have been the superior one, yes.

The problem is that there's no convincing proof

:(

All right, I'm satisfied with the "framing the controversy in questions" technique. :)

[I responded to the rest in another post; please let me know if it failed to reach your server.]

Belphoebe

Tennant StuartPeter

In article , "Belphoebe" wrote:

Okay, but I've changed the title back since my newsreader software keeps a special eye on my reviews, and it would moan else. :)

If it hadn't been for Charlie's hard work, there would have been no speech for him to deliver. I've gone into detail further on about Ross's input.

You're welcome. :)

Well, regardez vous le text...

ROSS: Oh my God, we did it!

CHARLIE: Actually I did it Ross. You remembered shockingly little of your own speech.

Right. Thanks.

Okay.

This was for me the most persuasive part of your argument. Not the events in Barbados, which are pretty well laid out; but the reminder that well beyond the Central Perk sofa there have been many hints of Dr.Geller's esteem.

Most of those were my bits. :)

Thanks!

I now suspect that Ross has had more success with "Ranion's theory of species variegation" than Joey has enjoyed with "How you doin'?"

Lol, you never know your luck - but if Dr.Geller is so famous amongst his colleagues that some people know what he looks like (and Sarah immediately recognised him when he arrived at the Paradise Hotel) then Charlie should have done likewise when she first walked into Central Perk.

There you go, then.

Awww... chin up. :)

This is, after all, what dear Marita concluded.

Okay.

Ooh, there's lots of posts I've been too busy to answer yet. Yours are...

  2003616:200132   Friends S09-24 - homo erectus
  2003617:201014   Friends S09-21 - ghost of the barcalounger
  2003618:121346   Friends S09-22 - stop eating hot
  2003618:121947   Friends S09-23 - 88 little piggies
  2003618:131922   Friends S09-21 - ghost of the barcalounger
  2003618:132159   Friends S09-24 - homo erectus
  2003618:133159   Friends S09-23 - 88 little piggies
  2003618:214327   Friends S09-23 - 88 little piggies

..but fret not lassie, I'll get round to them .:)

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PeterTennant Stuart

"Tennant Stuart" wrote in message news:[email]...

combine

No problem--I'd only changed it so I'd find it easily in my drafts folder.

Yup. I'm just saying. :)

:)

Sure, but what is the referent for "it"? I took "it" to be remembering/reconstructing, and not "composing." My sense of it is that this was what the writers meant, and that they'd be surprised to find there's any controversy about this. But, as I've already written, that's "moo." ;)

YW. :)

Right.

of

in

beyond

:)

True. I guess I remembered shockingly few examples. ;)

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Joey would be crushed to realize that!

;)

Oh, do you mean that if Charlie had a photographic memory, she'd have recognized Ross?

Well, not necessarily. Sarah, as we know, has made a point of following Ross's career. So she has surely sought out the panels at conferences where he has presented. On the other hand, if Charlie just came across Ross's most recent article while more generally keeping up with current scholarship, she wouldn't have seen him (no photo accompanying journal articles). Even if they've been attending the same conferences, there are always multiple sessions going on during any given block of time (which is no fun when you're interested in two or more that are going on concurrently!), so she wouldn't have necessarily seen him present.

Yup.  :)

I know. :)

YW.  :)

failed

[ . . . ]

Don't worry; I've still got a backlog myself! :)

Belpheebs

Tennant StuartPeter

In article , "Belphoebe" wrote:

Okay.

I'm sure that the referent was remembering/reconstructing, and that in no sense did Charlie ever compose the speech that was given. The thing was that this reconstruction was necessarily imperfect, and since the speech was well received, the suspicion lingers that some inadvertent contribution made a difference. But for all we know it made it worse.

Right.

ROTFL!!!!!

Well sweetie, as long as you haven't just completed a pyramid of bathroom products, you may have all the credit...

It's true though, and Rachel always said HYD better, anyway.

Yep.

True, but with photographic memory, every sense impression is stored away including those many glimpses which all of us see yet few remember. There was a report once which claimed that as you walk down the street, you pass someone you once knew every 20 seconds, but you no longer remember them.

Well, it's been so nice to be 'talking' to you again. :)

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All right, here goes. . . .

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[ . . . ]

She seemed offended IMO.

[ . . . ]

"Inexplicable" was a great word for it!

Wise man, :)

[romance-novel passage follows]

Others have already jumped in with Nora Bing references, absence of euphemisms for genetalia and European-city names, etc. My original thought upon reading the passage was that the only thing missing was "his throbbing member pressed against her willing womanhood" or somesuch. But I forgot about the "European cities" requirement. I guess a new Caribbean loophole is in order. ;)

No, I pretty well foresaw it.

Like Marita, I ultimately enjoyed Mike (despite being a fan of David DeScientist-Guy).

Are you suggesting that all developments on the show--even when written by others--aren't sanctioned my MT and DC?

Yup. Bleah.

Schwimmer

That was fun.

On the other hand, Joey was

I can't help wondering--as I think Marita also suggested--whether this was done to make viewers think less of Ross (though many viewers already need very little help in that regard; I wish the writers would give such viewers less ammunition).

Hey, I recently switched sides, too (after being with my husband more than ten years and never sleeping on the other side). This is because we've got a co-sleeping bassinet attached to my (new) side of the bed; my old side was too close to a radiator (we had one explode in our old apartment last summer--so at least the water was cold--and didn't want to risk that in our new place during cold weather).

is really two episodes.

Not really. It's still one long episode to me, and always will be! :P

(At least until it's chopped up for syndication, that is!)

She has manners. Well, not always, but this time she did.

Academic conferences such as this one always have a registration table on-site, where people who haven't pre-registered can do so and obtain a badge. Probably Ross repulled his strings and helped Mike get a pass there.

Nope, but I'll look for it next time I watch. Such visual continuity errors never stand out to me as much as story inconsistencies do.

No.

or were they a source of inspiration?

They were his.

Probably both. :)

Wasn't this covered in the episode where we meet him? He seemed to suggest the former.

Ew.

The latter.

I don't think so--he said "curious like George"; maybe she just didn't think of the doll right away.

What made you think that Ross concluded Jarvis O. wasn't gay? My impression was that he knew he was, and that when the wife came along, he immediately thought about his conversation with Charlie.

                              ---o0o---

I think the "drastic action" is simply your wishful thinking spurred by your strange obsession with last names. ;)

Charlie's story arc was kept away from Phoebe's--maybe because BKC decided the nympho angle wasn't particularly interesting.

That (harbinger) would be fun.

Will she be about to find some

If it were to happen, it wouldn't be there at the hotel--it would be saved for later in the season.

I guess all bets are off, but I certainly wouldn't be surprised.

Well, if you're expecting smooth continuation, and instead there's a reversal, then the writers will have succeeded in thwarting your expectations. And maybe somewhere, _Friends_ writers are sitting in an office with an "I love to thwart" plaque. ;) =====0===== Throughout the finale, I imagined a writers' meeting in which the goal was this: find a way to bring together JnR in a way that would satisfy JnR fans without alienating RnR fans. So it seemed to me I saw the wheels grinding and was conscious of the attempts to manipulate viewers. There was a careful effort to show:

* Compatibility between JnR and between Ross and Charlie (who was practically custom-made for Ross)

  • Lack of compatibility between Joey and Charlie and between RnR

I'm not saying this wasn't achieved skillfully. It was a very workpersonlike effort and fairly effective. My being *so* aware of it made me enjoy it somewhat less than I might otherwise, but since it *was* skillful, it did do a pretty good job overcoming my objections.

Charlie *was* well designed as a partner for Ross. I certainly wouldn't be unhappy to see him end up with her. However, I can't help thinking--from this side of the fourth wall--that Aisha Tyler surely won't be a permanent cast member, and therefore their relationship can only be temporary. So that makes me wary.

As for Joey and Rachel--I don't know. It was mostly shrugworthy for me, I guess. I wasn't upset about it, but I certainly didn't get happy or excited about it, either. I wasn't gushing over the scene you describe in Nora Bing-esque flowerprose. I like them as pals, but the idea of a romance between them doesn't do much for me.

Regarding the rest--I've already mentioned that while I'm sorry to see David go, I also like Mike, so I'm not unhappy about his return. I hope Phoebe has some good stories next season (I was about to write "semester"!)

There's not too much to say about Monica and Chandler in this episode. Monica is competitive and her hair gets BIG in humid weather. :)

Belphoebe

cookie dudePeter

Belphoebe likes to play a special version of 'Hey Jude', with 25 minutes of 'na nananana' and an extra verse that goes like this:

muahahaha.... another one for my "book of quotes I'll be telling my grandchildren about" :)

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Petercookie dude

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Hope I didn't sing out of tune. :)

Glad I could help you with the book. ;)

Belpheebs

Tennant StuartPeter

In article , "Belphoebe" wrote:

Yay! :)

British/Anzac/Euro SPOILER SPACE for 924...

Oop, this old spoiler space shows you're replying to the outdated version.

Oh, so you read both versions, yet replied to the old one? Curious...

That could be part of it, yes.

I knowww!!! :)

Yes, and he knows Monica so well.

It's not as though I've never written stuff like this before. This is from when Marita asked for help having missed the last few minutes from before the commercial break of 715 "TOW Joey's New Brain"...

JOEY: Yea, yea, I noticed that. Is that because she's so passionate?

CECILIA: No, (shaking her head slightly, with the minutest trace of impatience) it's because that way the camera only sees her!

(Joey nods slightly, his head still in her grasp. Cecilia stares deep into his eyes, then removes her hands, suddenly looking much less confident as her arms drop down beside her.)

CECILIA: (With uncertainty, more like girl, but very warm) you wanna try it? (She searches his gaze)

JOEY: (Taking a sharp breath, then nervously) Yeah, if you're okay.

(Joey pauses, his tongue defensively between his teeth, then after a larger breath to gather himself, he brings his hands up, hesitating, fingers hooked, then at last he places each hand upon Cecilia's head, large palms against her cheeks, the thumbs following the bones to her eyes, the fingers flowing out across her flame-red hair. As Joey leans forward, Cecilia brings her face up to meet his, their eyes close, and at last their lips meet, soft & tender, Cecilia's elbows pulling back as her diaphragm rises to allow her chest to swell against him. With a delicate sound of released suction they part, and from nervousness she speaks a little too quickly, her voice a little too high pitched.)

CECILIA: That was good. (Opening her eyes) that was really good. (She
         nods encouragingly as he looks at her, so he takes his hands
         away) But I- I think (reaching out to him) that maybe your
         hands (taking hold of his head a little lower than before)
         were just a little off, they should be maybe (each thumb &
         forefinger now cupping an ear) right right right...

(Suddenly Cecilia lunges forward, her hands running around the back of Joey's head, the fingers interlocking, and with a violent lunge of exploding lust she pulls his body into her, her mouth opening wide to envelope him. Joey can let out no more than a strangled gurgle as his knees buckle beneath him, and she thrusts forward, his arms waving helplessly in the air behind her, as she forces him down onto a nearby couch in an embrace of such great passion that he struggles to regain control of his limbs, until buried deeply in the cushions beneath her he finally manages to take hold of her body, and as their heavy kiss continues, he hugs Cecilia tightly to pull her down, hard onto him.)

FADEOUT

If you carefully compare the old & new versions, you'll see that I made a subtle change to remove that premature interpretation.

Lol. :)

Yeah, me too.

He was alright I guess, but not as much fun as DDSG.

ROSS: Uh, Pheebs, while we're hovering around the subject, I just have
      to say that all developments in the apartment, even when designed
      by others, have to be sanctioned by MG and CB.

PHOEBE: The little ones don't.

Right.

That's right, but it was curious about Charlie, wasn't it?

As a Ross-fan myself (and therefore very critical) I don't think so.

Charlie had made a clean break with Joey, who accepted the situation, and it's not as though the couple go back a long way. Meanwhile, Ross did not simply leap in, he did carefully consider the consequences.

However, Charlie should think herself lucky that by the time she went to Ross, he didn't have an 18 page letter (front & back) for her to read.

Ah, good practical reasons.

Awww... you're so cute.

When it was shown here over 2 weeks, there was an extra credit sequence at the end of 923 (just fountain dancing though); and the first scene in CnM's room was the teaser of 924, followed by an extra title sequence.

She has manners for Ross.

Oh, okay. Thanks.

I miss most, but Marita spots them. However, this one was mine. :)

Hey, come on Belphoebe! You've just snipped all but the first two words of the old outdated version, and *completely* ignored the whole new section which I wrote specifically because you made such a big fuss of this issue!

Okay.

So where did they come from?

Ooh, tricky.

That's right Belphoebe, but you are replying to the old outdated version of this review. The new, up-to-date version does not say that any more.

Marita's reply to this was "Men..." and I think she got it right. :)

It's a strange thing to say, though, isn't it?

Well okay, this just shows that he was ahead of her. :)

That's how it seemed to me, but thinking about what you say, I got this point wrong. Sadly, it's too late to change the review now.

Yes, you're right. <shrug> Oh well, never mind.

This is true, except I'm sure you know I'm just kidding.

That's a very interesting point. So why introduce it in the first place?

Yep, but there's a new aspect to this in the new version of this review.

Well, Priya says she just wants to see a few episodes of JnR together.

For myself, I reckon the creators are waiting to see how this story plays out; as in early S5 CnM and early S6 RnR, for two examples.

Yes, it's good old "wait & see" time again. :)

Lol, but they didn't thwart the CnM fans in Season 5 did they?

After my debacle the year before, I was so on tenterhooks about that.

Hello, little separator thingie. :)

Yes, I would say that you're right.

We've seen that for ages though, especially since they've lived together.

Absolutely, she's Mona mark II, the genuine version.

Sure.

Well, that first raised its ugly little head in Season 3.

Exactly so.

Yes indeed, and once she's gone, Ross will be a free radical.

(That's a chemical not a political metaphor).

But since the writers have gone to all this trouble, and as you say they do seem to have achieved their goal, I suspect that the current situation is here for quite some while, and final decisions have not been made.

I liked it, but it didn't have the magic of S8 JnR, nor indeed S2 RnR.

The 'flowerprose' (I disagree that it's Nora Bing-esque) was mainly in there as a treat for Priya, who didn't appreciate it so much. Oh well.

I think I say this every year, and it still hasn't happened yet. I'd like to see something different happen for Phoebe, not just another romance.

Grin.

But enjoyably so, at least for Marita & me.

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:)

I'm sorry; when I wrote this, the new version had not yet turned up on my server. I wasn't intentionally ignoring your new material.

No, this was conjecture (sorry again; I'll have to do some pasting and commenting in another post. . . .)

Mmm--to me, it seemed that her feelings for him hadn't quite caught up with his longing for her.

:)

He has to for his own well being. ;)

[snipping detailed description/dialogue]

Are you trying to say that you're a softcore porn writer in the body of an engineer? ;)

Okay, I will. . . .

Yup.  :)

Just so long as there's no barking dinosaur. ;)

How do you mean?

was

need

I tend to agree with you, but I've noticed there were many posters arguing that Ross isn't a good friend, as opposed to Joey, who--according to them--is.

True.

Thanks. :)

Thanks! :)

<Ross inflection>I *am* cute!</Ross inflection>

Ah ha. . . .

politely?

Always arguing your case. ;)

BTW, IMDb spells it "Hannigan."

YW.

Yay, you! :)

section

Again, sorry--didn't mean to ignore. I'll check it out.

I don't know.

:)

Okay, sorry.

Apparently there's a gender divide on this one. ;)

Strange but funny.

As were you, me, and probably just about everyone else watching!

Okay. (You can always change it in the version[s] you post on the web.)

All right. :)

Thank goodness. :)

Expedience for the purpose of one episode, maybe? (Or maybe if your theory about Kaufman and Bright "sanctioning" certain plots is true, maybe that's an indication that the "nympho" thing was less than sanctioned.)

Ah, okay. . . .

I think it's likely that she'll get that.

Probably.

True.

Maybe they were thwarting the people who expected a reversal on that. ;)

Your debacle?

=====0===== : "Hello, Tennant!"  ;)

wheels

Ta.  :)

Sure, but I think they redoubled their efforts.

Yup.

Mm hm.

More redoubling!

Glad we agree. :)

True. And I hope it doesn't mean he's going to have a breakdown.

Heh. :)

Yup.

Well, I wasn't all that enthusiastic about S8 JnR, but otherwise agree.

Well, it's hard to judge really without a Nora Bing sample--otherwise we're just guessing!

was mainly in

Aw, I know--I saw her response. :(

I know--she deserves much better than she's gotten. LK can do so much, and should be given the chance.

:)

Oh, me, too. That was fun. :)

Belphoebe

Tennant StuartPeter

In article , "Belphoebe" wrote:

Well, she had just come by the scenic route...

CHANDLER: You're a little high maintenance. You're not easy-going, but you're
          passionate, and that's good. And when you get upset about the little
          things, I think that I'm pretty good about making you feel better
          about that. And that's good too. So, they can say that you are high
          maintenance, but it's okay, because I like - maintaining you. (612)

No, I'm a technical writer, and that was merely a detailed description.

And?

Exactly.

She was intellectual with Joey and playful with Ross.

My position is that when push comes to shove, all six are good friends.

Here, the difference between Ross & Joey was that Charlie isn't Rachel.

Yes, that harkens when Rachel was not a good friend.

Yes, but not as cute as chicken breasts at a lesbian wedding.

Of course.

That's as may be, but the end credits of 907 spell it "Hanigan".

Thanks!

Absolutely, and yay for that! :)

Oh well, I was just hoping for some cultural curlicue, that's all.

Lol, right!

Wait & see...

YW

Ooh, good point.

Yay for her. :)

Thanks.

Lol, I like the way you think. :)

I was fairly sure all through S3 that Chandler & Monica were going to get together, the foreshadowing being equal to Ross & Phoebe in S7/S9; and given the way that the season ended, I confidently predicted that it would happen at the start of S4. Then, as you know, it didn't. :(

                                  --- lOl ---

Yes yes.

More yesses.

That's because yiu make a great deal of sense.

Me too, but hopefully he'll be a power-force in the plotting.

Okay - but you must have at least liked 812 "TOW Joey Dates Rachel", yes?

Well, I think that she'd elaborate more, delving into their thoyggts and feelings. I merely descrived what was actually happening.

If anything, my writing was more like Rachel's description at the start of 208 "TOW the List", written by Marta Kauffman & David Crane.

Oh well, at least Marita Bakken & Jessica Foster both liked it. :)

Right.

Yay!! :)

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you're

little

better

high

(612)

I just saw this episode again the other day. I'd forgotten about "Dr. Monkey." Love the way Monica handled that. ;)

an

Ohhhh, you mean a *technical* description? ;)

So, I guess you work with lots of engineers, rather than being one. But are you sure you wouldn't rather write softcore porn?

I knew a technical writer in my MA program. She was a little tired of doing things like replacing "utilize" with "use" when the latter was just plain overused/utilized. ;)

But wasn't she both with Ross? They did, after all, talk shop as well as doing the playful stuff. Maybe she can't enjoy one without having the other satisfied.

Ah, pity the poor woman who isn't Rachel! ;)

to

True. It's a wonder JA can make her as likeable as she does.

Well, just so long as Monica's not affixing nipples to them (lest Carol should cry about that).

You credits-watcher you. BTW, why do you suppose the credits-folks and the set designers can't seem to agree on Green(e)? Cf TOW Rachel Goes Back to Work.

Though I ran the clip for my husband to get his opinion, and he doesn't think it's a good look for Mon. But he generally dislikes big hair.

Oh, well, sometimes we have to settle for the funny.

How long does I gotta wait? ;)

;)

Thanks. :)

But you were less than one full season off, so that's not so bad.

Awww, thanks. :)

As in your fanfic. ;)

Sure, it was a pleasant episode, but it didn't make me feel all gushy about Joey as it seems to have for many other viewers. I enjoyed how they showed one other their tricks or "moves," since they were going out as friends.

Maybe, but surely not every Nora Bing passage would delve into thoughts and feelings. There could surely be descriptive passages like yours, full of moans and sighs. ;)

Nah, yours was much more detailed. And I don't think Rachel would ever say "I moaned." ;)

There you go. :)

Yeah, I know you're hoping for all kinds of backstory via flashbacks. That's less of an interest for me, though I'd like to see a full range of stories that could include a romance that doesn't end badly. :)

Belphoebe

Tennant StuartPeter

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Absolutely.

I think the answer to that is "yes", reserving the right to change to "no".

Aaaaaarrrrgggggg! I'm mortally wounded! I so *am* an engineer! Gasp...

It has its attractions...

Pardon my lack of modesty, but the subject goes a trifle deeper than that.

Yes, you're right, she was playful with Ross once they connected.

Nor Hermione. Sigh...

Yep, that's why we still like her.

Yeah, and they're vastly preferable to Pigs In Ross.

Thankyou!

It's like the props people always getting things wrong, check out the Goofs section for many movies in the IMDB. And of course, in real life people do have to put up with misspelt door plaques & wedding invitations.

Oh well, horses for courses.

K

Errr... a little longer, but Things Are Afoot.

You're very kind sweetie, but that's not good enough, since that came out of the blue (except for a massive hint in 420) and I was referring to the foreshadowing in S3. Of course, I wasn't that far out, since the writing staff was arguing about what to do with CnM in S2/S3/S4/S5.

YW

Absolutely.

Oh, it was quite magical for me...

Well, just as long as she doesn't moan about size. :)

Thanks!

The word "moan" and its derivatives have never been said in the entire show.

But that doesn't mean that they haven't moaned upon occasion.

Right.

And Priya tells me she probably will like it if she ever sees the episode.

That's *another* thing I want to see for her.

I'd like to see a good story that does not include a romance.

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"no".
:P

Oh, now I'm confused. I thought you'd just finished telling me you *weren't* an engineer.

:)

Oh, of course. I wasn't trying to trivialize your profession. Just remembering this person's gripe. :)

There ya go. :)

Ah, yes, ask Angie Bowie.

(Before David Bowie married Angie he had a girlfriend named Hermione. Angie has said that he was still in love with Hermione when he married Angie.)

Yes, don't mess with Monica when she's on a deadline.

Goofs

True, though you'd expect them to correct them. And complain. :)

Is that another way of saying to each his own?

web.)

Dum de dum dum. . . dum! (suspense music)

The writing staff were just trying to keep you guessing. . . . .

Yeah, for me, it was fun, but I wouldn't characterize it as "magical."

Heh.

YW

show.

You probably think Joey "moaned" about the soup in his commercial audition. ;)

Belphoebe

Tennant StuartPeter

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Right....

YW

Oh, right. I was thinking of Hermione Granger.

Indeedy, she doesn't like the whooshing sound.

It's probably a union thing.

Errr... not quite.

The two are slightly different, and yours is more apt. :)

And now I can reveal that my friend Shierly has a new site at...

http://towreviews.cjb.net

..it's still under construction, but my reviews for 801-906 are already up, and 907-912 will soon follow. Some of these have been revised with new sections - for example the article on Joey's lies that failed to appear in 908, which disappointed Priya. If there's anything else about 923/4 you want to go in, then say so quickly.

Sigh, such responsibility...

Well, quite magical.

LOL, he was supposed to, but he "moaned" about noodle soup instead.

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The one from HP, right?

???

[after looking up "horses for courses"]

Ah, okay. See what you mean & thanks.

Yay.  :)

Prolly too late for that--sorry so slow.

For you or them? ;)

So I had you sussed out. ;)

Belpheebs

Tennant StuartPeter

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Yeah - why, where is the other Hermione Granger from?

Demarcation disputes.

YW, sweetie.

:)

No, not too late, because I'm keeping back the finale, just for you...

..but *please* hurry.

Me. ;)

Frin.

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No, I don't know of another Hermione Granger--I just didn't know the last name of the HP Hermione (I just barely knew that the frizzy-haired girl was called Hermione--sorry!).

Hmmmm.

Eeshk, waiting for my replies is almost as bad as waiting for season 10 to start (many apologies!).

Anyway. . . .

I can only think of two things. One: "thanks to Charlie's writing"--this seems to assert that Charlie definitely *wrote* the speech, or parts thereof, whereas you'd otherwise put in questions pointing the viewer/reader to the various possibilities. Maybe you could render this a little more ambiguous to match?

Another--where you'd thought Ross didn't realize that Dr. Oberblau was gay ("yet for some strange reason Ross seemed to conclude that he wasn't"): you'll remember that I noted that Ross does recognize Oberblau's orientation.

Looked briefly at the review site. Looks good. :)

That's not what they told me. ;)

Belphoebe

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No worries - she turned 23 yesterday, BTW. :)

Exactly. There's a neat example of the set designers getting it wrong in 817 "TOW the Tea Leaves" where the dry cleaners has "Bleeker Street" on the door; and since this is a real street in NYC, we know the correct spelling is "Bleecker". They got it right in the extended pilot, though.

That was altered for the new version which came out when the episode was shown on British network TV, but you looked at the old version instead. It reads...

}�The morning of the third day at the Barbados conference is beautifully }�sunny, but alas the friends cannot enjoy it since they have to attend }�the keynote speech. However, Dr.Geller does well, thanks to Charlie's }�hard work, some clear visual aids, and the odd palaeontological joke.

Yes dear, that was taken care of later on, following further discussion.

Thanks. I'll put 923/924 up then. Note that 924 has an extra paragraph pointing out two earlier triumphs of public speaking: with colleagues in 411 "TOW Phoebe's Uterus", and then family in 818 "TOI Massapequa".

Ooh, have they still got their WE LOVE TO THWART plaque on the wall?

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last

Really? How much older is she than her character?

the

Too bad they didn't misspell it "Bleaker," so it could be passed off as a pun.

shown

reads...

Ah, yes--and I even knew this, but then I Googled and forgot. . . .

To me, this still seems to suggest that Charlie's the only one who worked hard, precluding any such work from Ross.

gay

Okay, I just remembered during that discussion your saying that it was too late to change that. . . .

Yay.  :)

Of course. It's facing their KEEP TENNANT GUESSING plaque on the opposite wall.

Belpheebs

Tennant StuartPeter

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Yep, Harry was born 31-Jul-80, Hermione 19-Sep-80, and Ron 01-Mar-80.

Oh, the *actress* isn't. Emma Watson was born 15-Apr-90, and at the time she made the first film, "Philosopher's Stone", (set in the 91-92 school year) she was about a year younger than her character. She's catching up, though, with the sequels taking a bit longer to be released.

Hah, good point; I always reckoned that the massage parlour where Phoebe used to work should have been called "Heeling Hands".

Grin.

Four words - pyramid of bath products.

It *was* too late, but now it isn't. Ain't life grand? :)

YW

ROTFL!

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Wouldn't that mean Harry and Ron are in the 79-80 year, and Hermione is in the year below (80-81)?

AaronPaul Weaver

While true that their characters were born in 1980, the actors who play Harry, Hermione, and Ron are no older than their actual character. Supposedly the Harry Potter series is currently set around 1995 or so.

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That's roughly correct - Harry is about right, Hermione is younger, and Ron is a year or two older.

That's correct as long as you mean the latest book, which begins in August 1995 and ends in June 1996. The series is 1981 to 1998.

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No. The cut-off point is after her birthday, probably at Michaelmas.

Both Harry & Hermione were 13 years old on 06-Jun-94 (PoA-21).

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Ah, okay. Misunderstood. Didn't think Emma Watson looked as though *she* could be 23! (But I still also can't used to the idea that people born in 1980 are 23 this year. This makes me feel so old!)

That would be the punny thing to do. ;)

worked

<Ross, defensively>Oh, and do you think stacking these bath products was *EASY*?</Ross, defensively> ;)

Sure, but this still leaves open the interpretation that Ross's hard work--writing the speech in the first place--did not contribute to his success. Although you do make such distinctions later in your review, I'd like to see a modification along the lines of "hard work reconstructing the speech."

discussion.

too

Yup, just wanted to remind you in case you'd forgotten that part of the big discussion. :)

Belphoebe

Tennant StuartPeter

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Oh, I know! It's awful, isn't it?

Ta

Grin

I'm beginning to think that you're taking too much away from Charlie, now.

NW, sweetie. :)

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*she*

in

Yes! It was bad enough back in 1998, when my 18-year-old freshmen were the 1980 group. But now they're old enough to have finished college and perhaps earned a master's degree!

Of course it just get worse every year. I've tried to stop thinking about it. :)

I'd

Not at all. Reconstructing Ross's speech from memory would have been no small task. I don't imagine I could have done it.

Belphoebe

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heh, then keep in mind that I'm born 1981. While I don't really have a clue what freshmen are, I finished school in 2001 and by the time 2005 comes around I'll have finished my job training. Since the next general election in Germany is in 2006, my plan is to become chancellor then ;)

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I know, I know! :)

They're first-year college/university students in the U.S.

I'm sure you'll make many Germans feel very old when they have such a young chancellor. :)

Belphoebe

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The worst thing is when people you remember as children start having children of their own.

There you go, then.

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Not long ago, it occurred to me that some toddlers I'd babysat when I was in high school are now in they're twenties. In my mind, I'd frozen them in time. :)

Are we agreeing on something or only appearing to agree? ;)

Belphoebe

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Exactly so for me - apart from sitting them, which I never did.

I think that we're in a settled enough position to move on. :)

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