Internet reaction to the identity of the father SPOILER

Oct 6, 2001, 1:29 AM ET11 posts by 10 posters
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abrahammy

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Father revealed and discussed at length.

I warned you.

I've been reading through internet reaction to last night's episode, not only here, but on other boards, and I have to say news of the father has been met with very mixed reactions. It isn't just that some folks think Ross is an overly obvious or dull choice; he's been so badly damaged that a lot of people are viewing him with utter revulsion. There was a time when he was a beloved character, and the audience wanted good things to happen to him. Now, a number of people no longer understand why Rachel would even touch this pathetic sad sack, and are very disappointed that he must by necessity play a larger role than he has the past couple of years. I had a nasty feeling, years ago, that the writers were going to destroy Ross and make it much more difficult for him to be effective, and I actually argued with MNL about it until he was just exasperated with me. It looks like, for the longterm health of the show, it DID matter whether or not Ross was likeable, and I was right. Well, damn.

My own view to this latest development has actually been pretty positive - although anybody who has known me for long could have told you I was going to react that way. It isn't really so much that I am still so in love with the R&R combination, however. As it stands, the only way I can make any sense out of the disjointed mess that R&R became is to say that Rachel's malicious mind games, and her "revolving door", whereby she throws Ross in and out of her life repeatedly at the slightest whim, finally literally drove Ross to the edge of mental illness. It's the only way to reconcile the fact that the Ross character of the first three or four seasons bears almost no resemblance to the character of season five or most of season six. I can't comment on seven, as I missed most of it, but if there are so many people still saying that Ross is sick and weird and creepy and unworthy, then I don't know how much better he could have gotten last year.

My real reason for being glad Ross is the father is that, for the first time in a long time, the writing staff is actually going to have to give a rat's ass what the audience thinks of the character. They are actually going to have to pay attention to how their writing affects the way he's received. If they continue with the flippant attitude that "the easiest way to make him funny is to make him look bad" this storyline will flop, and David Crane is trying desperately to wish himself into a ninth season on the success of this new story arc. I am hoping that Mental Geller will sort of suddenly disappear as quickly as he came, and a character at least redeemable as the fourth season Ross will reemerge. I don't know why they couldn't write this character effectively and gently without deeply involving him with Rachel, but that appears to be the reality - and at this moment, whether we like it or not, it's the only engine that's driving the show, as the M&C engine is kind of out of comic gas. Yes, having Joey be the father might also have been very funny, but that isn't the decision they made. (By the way, having it be Chandler's father would not have worked. Chandler's dad wants to seduce Ross, not Rachel.) For those who don't understand why the R&R fans still exist, consider this; many folks don't see that couple as they have been written recently, but as they were written in the past. As Ross and Rachel are not real people, the possibility exists that they could magically suddenly be the two terrific characters we liked so much so many years ago, or at least, a matured product that bears some resemblance to them. We want to throw away the new rancid wine, truck down to the wine cellar, and bring up a nice 1996 vintage of the R&R special to end our show, and to drive the nasty taste of more recent bottles.

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On Sat, 06 Oct 2001 05:29:09 GMT, "abrahammy" wrote:

Yes but they are also relieved that it isn't Tag!

I think most people don't see him as a man who is going to be a father (again). When he had Ben, he seemed just the write guy to have a baby. Now after seven years, its as if he's taken a trip back in time and seems so immature to be the father of two kids.

I totally disliked the idea of Ross and Rachel getting back together.

Krystal Bookerp r i y a

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It's funny, I remember reading in other newsgroups how happy they would be if Ross was the father of Rachel's baby. But on Tuesday night, their reactions were completely different. Maybe they realized that Ross really was a "duh" choice.

I agree. After the Rachel and Ross feud started, Ross's character suddenly went downhill. There's really no point in watching the "new" Ross now other then seeing his how he'll handle the new baby. Thank goodness for the TBS runs. . .

My prediction is that he *might* neglect Rachel and her baby by saying he has a big responsibility with Ben already and that he can't take care of two kids at once. (Excuses, excuses. . .) When Ross finally realizes how big a role he's supposed to play in the baby's life, he'll finally fulfil his responsibilities. Chances are that prediction won't happen.

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Whatever happened to those good times? What happened to the Ross everyone loved. Now he's a character everyone loves to hate. I really can't see him playing a larger role than he had been. Hopefully the writers will understand how they destroyed his character and bring the old Ross back. . . that'll never happen either.

I don't see them getting back together in this season either. Maybe there will be a wedding in late May, but it won't be out of love. Instead it will happen so Ross could be a "full-time" father.

When the show started, the Ross and Rachel plots really were enjoyable to watch. But now, their relationship has been going back and forth so many times I could get dizzy from seeing it being tossed again. Yes, it would be fair to see the show end with them, but it wouldn't be a very good series finale.

RobertKrystal Booker

Krystal Booker wrote:

I have to think the writers aren't going that route. It would cheapen their relationship. They needed something major to get them back together. They needed something to make them realize they do still love each other. This storyline is it.

It will be a great finale if done properly. I predict this pregnany will bring them closer than ever. It's the only way to end it.

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Lora JKrystal Booker

Krystal Booker wrote:

I don't think he will neglect her at all. I think quite the opposite. After initial shock and denial, I think he will do everything in his power to be there for Rachel and their baby. I don't know if Ross can handle being a weekend dad to two kids. He could barely handle 3 divorces.

While you can never bring back season 1 or season 2 Ross, there is a chance that he can return as a solid Ross that we can all love again.

I disagree. In Season 5, Rachel still seemed to love Ross. Well, maybe she was just jealous, but maybe she did truly have deep feelings of love for him. In Season 6, Ross also seemed to show these same feelings. Mayeb some will say it was just because he didn't want to get divorced, AGAIN, but I really think he had feelings for her. The thought of her putting a hanger on the door and being with another man drove him nuts. Now that I am thinking about it, every season since they broke up seems to have alluded to them getting back together at some point, or ones love for the other.

I was a big R&R fan. Well, at first, I wasn't sure how I felt about it. I thought that getting R&R together could ruin the whole show. But I was wrong. TOW Ross Finds Out is my all-time favorite episode. I was so excited about R&R after that. I loved them throught season 2. I was so upset the following season with the way the ended their relationship. I hated them fighting too. But even after all that, I just knew that someday they would get together, that deep down they still loved each other and that they would marry in the final season. It just seemed to make sense.

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I understand your point, but how do you think he might handle the news after Rachel tells him? (I haven't read any spoilers about the next episode.) Of course it would lead to shock and denial but with the unpredictability of the writers who knows how they'll develop him throughout this season. I, personally, would like to see him become a real father figure in his newborn son or daughter's life, but, as I said before, the writers are (mostly) in control of the show. We just have to sit and watch this developing story.

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That's another place where the writers come into the picture. If this is the last season, hopefully they'll bring back the Ross we loved, not the one most people I knew loved to hate.

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Once again, my concern is how the writers will handle the "Rachel's Pregnant" plot. I really don't want to see it -- how's the best way to say this -- very poorly done. That thought was what led me to the conclusion that they wouldn't become an actual couple at the end of the show. That comment which you disagreed with happened with another show I used to watch. The series came to an end with a sudden marriage so a teenage father could take care of his son full time. (Maybe that scenario was still in my mind at the time.) In other words, it they were to become a couple again at the end of the show, please *do it the right way*!

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When I first started watching Friends, I instantly became a R+R fan after I saw TOW the Prom Video (my favorite episode). Along with you, I fell in love with them during season 2, but season 3 was when the R+R roller coaster started. Because of the ups and downs of their relationship I doubt that they can fully return to the couple they were in season 2. Maybe after seeing a few more episodes this season I could have faith that they'll become "lobsters" again.

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Marita Bakkenp r i y a

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I wasn't completely spoiled before watching 802, so I was among the lucky ones. Due to the number of spoilers on this NG after 802 aired in the USA, I fear that there are not many people left out there who will be surprised when they find out that Ross is the father. (That is too bad, of course, since the way we found out was great! Joey's reaction was priceless. In fact, it was up there with him finding out about Chandler and Monica in 505 TOW All The Kips.)

However, I have to admit that I was disappointed when it became clear that Ross was indeed the dad. The writers could have done so much with this storyline, and they chose the easy way out. Judging by the cast's reaction to a possible season 9, it's fairly obvious that this is going to be the last season. So how do they decide to get Ross and Rachel back together? They throw in a one-night stand and make Rachel preggers. No one seems to be concerned about the fact that Rachel didn't even seem to *think* about Ross around 719, 720 and 721. Her major concerns back then were hosting Monica's bridal shower and kissing her sorority sister.

Granted, I' not the biggest R+R fan in the world, but that does not mean that I don't want to see them back together before the final episode. On the contrary, I've wanted to see a R+R reunion for a long time, but I want it to be a believable one where I can actually see them falling in love all over again.

All I'm saying is that while Ross improved a great deal last season, he is still not capable of acting like a normal adult that Rachel would fall in love with. Rachel has matured a lot since season 3 (Tag being the major set-back last season), so I cannot see the two of them hooking up right now.

Besides, do we really want R+R to get together because of a baby? I would want that to happen because of the two of them falling in love, not because Rachel's preggers. Having said that, there's no way the two of them will start dating again right away. The writers will want to drag it out for a long time, so perhaps we will start to see some sparks in February or something. (Did anybody say sweeps-material?)

Having Joey or any other man as the father would have been a far better solution IMHO. They could still have managed to get R+R back together, but Ross would have had to prove to Rachel that he would be willing to help her out, regardless of the identity of the father. This would mean that Ross would have to put himself together and grow up, and I think we all want that.

Chandler has matured ever since Kathy dumped him and he started dating Monica, so he's ready to become a father. Joey is Joey, but judging by his behaviour last Thursday and his wonderful friendship with Rachel, he's ready to become a dad as well. Ross already has a son, but he is definitely not ready for another child.

As for Tag, I hated that storyline from the start, so it's a good thing that he's not the father, but the writers will have to impress me with original storylines and a great deal of humour in order to get me to enjoy the upcoming episodes.

~Marita [email]
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"Marita Bakken" wrote in message news:[email]...

They didn't show the one-night stand, either. She may have been *thinking* about Ross "off camera".

But a baby actually could get them reexaming their relationship again.

The writers can put the old Ross back any time they want to. I haven't seen much in Rachel that says she is so mature, either. Like I said, the writers can suddenly make them both very mature if they want to.

I don't understand this "thing" with Joey & Rachel being together. I don't think the writers would pair them off like that considering the history R & R have. Joey may be a player would he really hook up with Rachel or would Rachel hook up with him? Haven't they been in the "friends' zone" too long?

Joey is Joey, but judging by

Whoa. He may have been sweet to Rachel & Phoebe but Joey being serious about fatherhood? I don't think he would really understand what it means! He doesn't even know how to have a real relationship with a woman yet.

Laurie

Anonymousabrahammy

"abrahammy" wrote in message news:...

I don't think it has to do with Ross being a different character as much as people are tired of the show revolving around that relationship. It dominated the first few years of the show, and it was unfair to the rest of the cast because they were supposed to be an ensemble cast. I also think most are ticked off that they went with the predictable choice, instead of maybe going down a funnier road like making Joey the father.

They are probably going to do another year of "will they or won't they" storylines for Ross and Rachel, when it's blatantly obvious that they are intending to get them together in the end.

I like Ross the goofy way he is now. Everyone he become more goofy throughout the show, so Ross's move to a dorkier side isn't as bad as everyone thinks.

JamesS1889Anonymous

Why did you take out the spoiler space?

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For you maybe. Not for me. I'm with Claire. Ross is a different character, and that is the only reason why the idea of Ross and Rachel getting back together gives me mixed feelings. The Ross we have now is (I fear) going to be even more prone to kind of behavior that initially got him in trouble with Rachel. --- James Squire - http://members.aol.com/jamess1889