Friends S09-23 - 88 little piggies

PLEASE note that this is about the *first* part of the finale.

If you have any comments about part 2, please refer to my review "Friends S09-24 - homo erectus". Many thanks.

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Say what you like, you've just gotta love the hair!

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923 "TOI Barbados (part 1)"

Ross & Charlie begin at the palaeontology conference a day before the others, so Joey goes with them. He looks forward to spending the 5-hour flight with Charlie under a blanket, until Ross reminds him that it's not an invisibility cloak! But to Joey's surprise, once they reach the hotel in Barbados, Ross is in his own element, with even a palaeontology groupie begging him to give her an autograph.

Charlie is entranced to hear Ross practicing his keynote speech; but due to Chandler using his computer to look at pornographic emails, a virus wipes the hard disc, wiping the speech: and Ross has neither a back-up nor a printout. However, Charlie claims she can remember the whole thing, so she gives up her time with Joey to help Ross.

Left to his own devices, Joey is joined by Rachel. Wandering to a pharmacists convention, they steal two name tags - Rachel's is meant for a Kate Miller, which Joey promptly sticks onto her left breast.

Rachel comments that's the most sex she will get, so Joey obligingly pats it into place a few times, gives her breast a good swirl around, then pats it some more. As a goofy smile sneaks onto her face, Joey finishes her boob off properly, but she droops when they go inside.

Ross makes a pyramid out of bath products while Charlie does all the work of writing his speech. He is really impressed, then as he thanks her, their faces come close, and they have a moment. Ross is even more impressed when she teaches him how to fiddle the mini-bar; then after Charlie gets Ross talking about his first marriage, she reveals that her ex-fianc� was gay, and soon the two of them are connecting.

Joey & Rachel have a fun time, but when he asks about her love-life, she tries to deny it. Joey knows her too well to be fooled, so presses her until she gives in. But just as she's about to tell him the truth, they're interrupted by Ross, with a hungry Charlie. As Joey takes her to dinner, Rachel & Ross watch the pair depart, and sigh in unison.

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Back in Central Perk, Phoebe is preparing for the journey, when she accidentally refers to David as "Mike". She makes a mess of laughing this off, so Monica drags her outside - where Phoebe confesses that while she's crazy about David, she can't stop thinking about Mike.

Meanwhile, Chandler insists he's bad at giving advice, but informs David that Phoebe dumped Mike for refusing to marry her. He suggests that David lets Phoebe know he's open to marriage, but the scientist takes this the wrong way, and decides to actually propose to her.

When Monica (looking very hot in a loose blouse) finds this out, she informs Chandler that Phoebe will reject David's proposal, his heart will be broken, they won't recover, and she'll end up alone again.

When they arrive on Barbados, it is pouring with rain, and the high humidity causes Monica's hair to frizz to twice its volume, making her look like one of The Supremes, or even Roseanne Rosannadanna!

But once Phoebe learns that David plans to propose, she tells Monica that would be fantastic, since Mike would've married her only if she kidnapped him first. Monica phones Mike to warn him of events, then orders him to call Phoebe; making Chandler accuse her of meddling.

At the restaurant, David is about to propose when Mike shows up, and insists that he asks her first. When Phoebe says no, David is mildly triumphant, but she explains that she never needed a proposal, she just wanted to know if she & Mike could have a future together.

Phoebe informs a defeated David that she might have told him yes, but that would be wrong; thus the poor guy regrets all his years in Minsk without her, plus the toe he lost to frostbite. As he departs, Phoebe & Mike kiss, and an even bigger-haired Monica exults in her meddling.

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This was actually quite a good episode, as long as one puts aside the high expectations of a season finale. Both stories were rather jolly, as long as one only has hopes for the 'right' couples. And meddling Monica was not too overbearing, as long as one is able to find enough humour in her hair taking on a wild life of its own.

Meanwhile, the script did a fair job of handling nine characters, with everyone getting a fair go, including Aisha Tyler who finally is becoming to come alive; and veteran scene-stealer Hank Azaria, who did very well with the difficult task of portraying the tragic figure of David, realising he wasted his life, and being shafted.

But of course the main event was the ongoing love-square, which is now showing distinct signs of folding about its diagonals. Freed of his usual duty as resident loser, Ross gave good value once he had some quality time with Charlie; while yet again Joey & Rachel were good fun, as long as one is not put off by a certain risqu� scene.

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After not seeing Emma herself for quite a long while (the last two episodes we just saw her pushchair) we at last got a proper look at her. This time she was no animatronic robot, but a real child; as one can tell since her eyeline was all over the place, presumably looking for her real mother. Those who didn't believe it was a robot before, should now be able to see the huge difference quite easily.

When Rachel reaches out to take Emma from Ross, take a look at her left forearm, where she seems to be wearing a bandage. This becomes obvious later on when she complains to Geller about the monsoon. As nothing was said, it must be Jennifer Aniston who was injured; does anyone know what had happened to her?

Wasn't it sweet to see Ross so excited all his friends were coming to his big conference, that he took so much trouble to get them full passes? Phoebe tried to be supportive, Chandler said he was looking forward to the speech, yet once again it's Rachel who put him down.

Is Ross's joke about an invisibility cloak the first Harry Potter reference on the show? They made nothing of Monica's bushy hair...

If Joey really had been a palaeontologist, would Sarah the groupie have asked him to sign her bra, instead of just a book?

Ross is quite correct, no "The" in "Days of Our Lives", but is Joey used to hearing a narrator say "these are the days of our lives"?

In the past, Joey has said "Days of Our Lives" correctly 22 times, and never wrong once; while the phrase "the days of our lives" has come up four times as part of a normal sentence.

Joey gave thanks to thongs in "508 TOW the Thanksgiving Flashbacks", but has he ever worn a thong? Well, he almost wore a lavender thong in 722 "TOW Chandler's Dad", but he then changed his mind. However, Chandler did wear a hot pink thong, in 213/4 "TOA the Superbowl".

Did you realise that Joey wanting to dig a hole was great continuity with 325 "TOA the Beach", where he dug a huge hole in the sand? Does this mean that Chandler Bing will end up peeing on someone again?

Kate Miller? This cannot be a coincidence. Was this an in-joke, in which case does anyone have any ideas? Or was it foreshadowing, to label Rachel with the name of Joey's long-lost love from Season 3?

Or did Kate marry a millionaire pharmacist for his money, and she will turn up in a new episode, to wreak havoc for Joey & Rachel?

Was the pat-a-cake scene inspired by the Monica/Richard out-take?

When Ross made his pyramid, did he get his building blocks from the bathroom, or did he have to take them from his suitcase?

If Charlie's fianc� was gay, did she lie at the soap opera party?

When Ross & Rachel sighed together, was that the first time that they've been on the same wavelength - while sober - in 7 years?

Chandler & Monica have now been happily together for 120 episodes.

How come Chandler & Monica can quite happily talk about science topics to David, yet feign sleep or death when Ross tries to talk to them?

Both David & Monica were right about how a plane flies, though.

Whilst Phoebe first refers to David as "Mike", did you notice that his mug of coffee is *exactly* the same colour as his shirt? It even seems to have the same patterning on it! Well, either that, or David was actually holding an invisible mug of coffee...

Did you notice that the blackboard outside Central Perk still announces "Neighbour Tim", the way it did back in 802?

With all those extras at Central Perk & two conferences, was this the episode with the greatest number?

Okay, when Monica leans forward to talk about Mike to Chandler, all the CCA fans are going to blow a gasket! But wasn't it great to see that she cared more for Phoebe's well-being than bitchy Rachel did?

Yet doesn't Phoebe have back-ups to ensure she won't end up alone?

When Monica's hair gets some extra body, isn't she just adorable?

But why exactly did Phoebe refer to her as "Roseanne Rosannadanna"?

When Chandler & Monica are at the restaurant watching David propose to Phoebe, how come we don't see Joey & Charlie arrive there?

Awww, poor David, to be so badly treated, and yet he was the one with the ring! By the rules established in 624/5 "TOW the Proposal", David should have been the winner, just as Chandler not Richard had a ring.

And how David suffered in Minsk without Phoebe, did she pick the right guy? It was only two years ago that he was the love of her life.

Or was David doomed by Hank Azaria having more clout than Paul Rudd?

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PLEASE note that this is about the *first* part of the finale, that's everything while Phoebe is torn between David & Mike.

If you have any comments about part 2, please refer to my review "Friends S09-24 - homo erectus". Many thanks.

Tennant Stuart

"Tennant Stuart" wrote in message news:[email]...

Erg. I have a hard time pretending this episode is two eps, don't you?

Not "writing" his speech; reconstructing it!

Yes--it's nice to see some focus on his career.

.>Phoebe tried to be supportive,

Really? I didn't think it was so supportive of her to say that David would enjoy attending the sessions only because he needs to stay out of the sun.

Was that a Harry Potter reference? I haven't read the books or seen the films.

?

No.

Only if he's in the habit of watching the show broadcast on TV. It's not as if a narrator comes in and does the intro each day.

A girl can hope. <eg>

What pat-a-cake? What out-take?

He got them from a basket on the sideboard. (Translation: I dunno.)

When she said. . . .

No.

They were settling an argument. It doesn't count!

Why, yes! (That's a lie.)

He developed it in Minsk when he was supposed to be otherwise engaged.

No, but then again I never noticed it in the first place. (I guess I don't have "eagle eyes," like some folk. I have mole eyes, maybe. ;) )

See my post at:

http://tinyurl.com/cgda

Because they weren't the focus of the scene.

I wanted her to end up with David. :(

I don't know.

Okay, but I reserve the right to pout. . . .

Belphoebe

In article , "Belphoebe" wrote:

Not at all. It *is* two episodes, with two numbers, two sets of writers, two different stories, and two different production codes at the end.

And in some countries, these two episodes will be shown in two different weeks - in Denmark possibly even in two different years, IIRC.

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That's what they want you to think.

The acid test will be how the speech is received (no spoilers please).

Well yes, but also look at how much it meant to the poor guy.

Indeed, but I said she tried to be supportive, I didn't say she succeeded.

Possibly.

Really? Practically everyone I know has.

The leading female character is a kind but bossy girl with bushy hair.

Oh well, no point in being a palaeontologist, then.

Good point. But doesn't he watch the show on TV with his friends?

If that should be so, it's amazing that the writers thought they could slip that name in, without every fan jumping out of their seat.

It's a rhythmic clapping game that British children play. It's so old that American children are bound to play it too, but maybe your ancestors changed it to be about frisking for guns or something.

Anyway, as two children sing "Pat-a-cake, pat-a-cake, baker's man, bake me a cake as fast as you can", they clap their hands together in time with the words, then clap their hands against their friend's hands, then beat their hands upon each other's chests, and so on.

Sorry, it wasn't Richard, it was Joey.

I'm afraid I confused two different out-takes there.

In my defence, both of them consist of Chandler bursting into the kitchen to find Monica up to her tricks with another man.

What??

LoL, you nearly got me. :)

CHARLIE: I just broke up with Albert Wintermeyer. He is brilliant,
         and while that is everything one looks for in a boyfriend,
         he had a lot of issues...

ROSS: Oh! like what?!

CHARLIE: Okay, you want the dirt? Alby was seriously insecure. I mean,
         he was really intimidated by Benjamin Hobart, the guy I dated
         before him, who won two Nobel Prizes.

ROSS: Oh my God! Have you ever been in a relationship with someone who hasn't won the Nobel Prize?

CHARLIE: No... bu-but my first boyfriend Billy did just win the McArthur genius grant..

Billy, Benjie, or (probably) Alby was gay - but Charlie didn't let on, even though she told Ross that she was giving him the dirt.

When then?

It was still a scientific argument, and they don't go to Ross about such things.

Go have a look then, and be truly astonished. :P

LOL, well he should have made his fortune, and swept Phoebe off her feet.

Awww.... poor you!

Ooh, thanks!

I don't mean anything big, they could have just turned up & sat down.

I'm not so sure about that, but better him than Mike, yes.

Ah.

Awww, don't pout sweetie - I've got this afternoon free to do more on the review, and then I hope to complete it on Sunday morning.

Tennant

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I know this is technically true, but since I viewed it as one continuous episode, I think of it as an organic whole--and it's hard for me to limit myself to discussing the first half. :(

Yup

BTW, did you notice that this new baby they have portraying Emma has very different coloring than the one in "Inappropriate Song"? The other had dark hair/brown eyes, while this new one has light brown/blue.

Awww, don't take that away from Ross! :(

Gung'f abg snve!

Are we disagreeing about something? ;)

But to me it didn't seem like a genuine try. In fact, it seemed rather mean-spirited. As a scientist, David probably *would be* interested in the sessions, even though he's in a different scientific field.

Now you know someone who hasn't (contrarist that I am!).

Ah, we're still in HP references. I've seen that little girl in promos and on talk shows.

By that standard, is there any point in being an engineer? ;)

I don't know. We've seen them all watching together when Joey first started, and also when (IIRC) he was reinstated. But do they make a regular habit of it? I suspect not. Though since Rachel and Monica like the show, *the* might tape and watch. Joey doesn't seem particularly interested in the show (beyond it being his job).

Maybe they threw it in for the alert fans to pick up on it (casual viewers wouldn't, I expect).

[snip explanation]

I'm familiar with the game--just not sure of the reference. Who was playing pat-a-cake?

I'm still confused, because I'm not remembering the outtakes you mean (sorry to be so clueless. . . . )

Giggle! :)

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I guess this depends on whether you consider omission a lie. She either left out the fianc� altogether, or left out that detail. Perhaps she didn't feel comfortable enough with Ross yet. Maybe she feared he'd judge her for not having guessed (remember she only revealed that once she knew about Carol).

Or perhaps this was part of the insecurity she mentioned regarding Alby. Perhaps he'd been too insecure to face his sexuality.

Totally agreeing about the cuteness of Emma; agreeing that they should watch what they say around her. . . . . They seemed very much on the same wavelength in TOW Rachel's Other Sister (picture them knocking wood, etc.).

Maybe they're more polite about making conversation with casual acquaintances.

[checking]

Oh, yeah--they do match.

True (but you only seem to care about him for learning his last name. I don't care if we never learn it, but I like the character and would have liked to have seen him stick around!).

I guess if I cared enough about such things, I'd watch for them--at least when possible (lots of mommy-multitasking these days--watching _Friends_ while nursing a baby, eating a sandwich, stopping everything to take baby to his changing table and change his diaper [aka "nappy"] [or enlist husband's help for that!], return to previous activities. . . . .)

YW

Not worth the trouble, I suppose.

I know you have ulterior motives!

If it can't be David (and it seems to be the case), I don't mind it being Mike. I do think Paul Rudd is a cutie.

All right, then. :)

Belphoebe

In article , "Belphoebe" wrote:

Gosh.

I would have thought that you of all people possessed the mental agility.

Come to think of it, that might have been Holland.

Marita will know.

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No, I didn't notice that, thanks very much!

<SNIP REST OF THIS SECTION, TRANSPLANT TO 924 THREAD>

Well, you didn't quite seem to be right there with me.

You're not looking at this in the right way.

Do you not remember "CRAP FROM THE STREET"?

I said *practically* everyone. There's an old woman I know who hates anything that's fictional, and a few babies too young to read yet.

Well of course, in the talk shows, she (her name is Emma Watson and she's a year *younger* than her character) wears her own, less bushy, hair.

Sadly, no.

Joey might well watch it just to sit with Rachel.

Could be.

You know sweetie, you have a habit of snipping the bit which would answer your next question. :)

What does "beat their hands upon each other's chests" suggest to you?

That's okay. :)

[Scene: Allesandro's kitchen in 410 "TOW the Girl from Poughkeepsie" where Joey, who is one of the waiters, is patting Monica's left breast from when she set it on fire.]

JOEY: Oh! Ooh-ooh!

MONICA: What are you doing?!

JOEY: You're still a tiny bit on fire there.

MONICA: Oh geez! Okay! Thanks!

(Matthew Perry runs in and starts patting Courteney's right breast, then walks away. Matt Leblanc slowly stops patting her left breast.)

[Cut to that same kitchen in 625 "TOW the Proposal (part 2)" where Richard has come to see Monica.]

RICHARD: It was great seeing you the other night.

MONICA: Well, it was good to see you too. Did you come down here to tell me that?

RICHARD: Noo! I came down here to tell you something else. I came here to tell you I still love you.

(Suddenly the door flies open and in walks Chandler!!)

CHANDLER: What the fu�(beep)�ck are you doing?!

:)

Telling Ross that she was giving him the dirt was a lie.

True. I'm not having a big go at her, but it does seem that she lied.

Neah, not really, that's just typical parent.

Yes, you can have that one. :)

Any more?

You're saying that they made it up for the occasion?

Right. :)

I actually like him quite a lot, he's what Ross ought to be more like.

Bet you can't pee while combing your hair... ;)

The latest version of my review says...

If you're wondering about Roseanne Rosannadanna, she was a character with extremely bushy hair, played by Gilda Radner on "Saturday Night Live" in the 1970s. Click on http://tinyurl.com/bvw3 for a picture.

Sigh.

Moi?

Well, his cutieness is lost on me, while he's boring compared with David.

And it's now up.

Tennant

"Tennant Stuart" wrote in message news:[email]...

you?

writers,

And now you think I lack mental agility? :(

I didn't realize you considered this an intelligence test. FWIW, *all* of the other finale discussions in atf are about the whole, entire, one-hour episode. So perhaps I could be forgiven for thinking of it as a continuous whole, where the stuff that happens in the first half leads inevitably to everything in the second half, and is best discussed as such.

different

If so, I feel bad for my mom's cousins!

Okay.

very

You're welcome. (I think the new Emma is cuter!)

Not following--where were you, exactly?

I remember the "crap," but I don't quite see a connection here.

If anything, her admiration of "science boy" would have had me expecting her to look forward to learning something from the sessions (even if it meant saying something to Ross in private, maybe whispering an aside).

Heh. Add an American Ph.D., her husband, and her baby. ;)

I've also seen the promotional clips for the films, so IKWYM.

:)

It's possible.

viewers

This is why I "snipp[ed] the bit which [allegedly] would have answered my next question: this didn't suggest "pat-a-cake" to me at all.

(Irrevelvant factoid: in the U.S. we typically render it "patty cake.")

[ . . . ]

Well, a couple of more generous interpretations:

• She gave him the dirt, just not *all* of it.
• She doesn't consider her ex-fianc�'s sexuality "dirt."

[Addressed above]

Doesn't matter if it's typical--they were still on the same wavelength.

Yes! :)

I'm too tired!

Not necessarily--maybe the topic came up, and since David was there, they politely included him.

feet.

Ross should have spent eight years in Minsk? ;)

I hate to admit it, but I think I have. . . . .

Cool! :)

But why would this have been important to you?

life.

Mais si.

being

Well, all the heaving cleavage you and Paul rave about it lost on me. ;)

Belphoebe

In article , "Belphoebe" wrote:

I think you have a great amount of mental agility, hence my surprise.

I don't.

Well, this is different from the rest of ATF.

Lots of episodes lead inevitably to the following episode.

Right.

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And no longer creepy for the actors, who kept complaining about the robot.

However, like most babies her (I assume it's a girl, and she is probably a pair of twins) eyeline is all over the place. There is a baby boy who plans Ben Kirk in "Neighbours", and he looks at whoever is holding him, which looks far more natural, but he is a rare exception.

I'm talking about what it means to Ross as a person, who is supposed to be a best friend to these people, yet they tend to scorn him.

She labelled something that she treasures as "Crap".

That's right, and she does, but not in public where people will hear.

K

Right.

Yep.

You don't see a connection in the milieu of patting the chest area?

Ah.

That would be giving him some of the dirt.

That's a good point.

Not really, since every parent would react in the same way.

I'm referring to instances where the similarity itself seems significant.

YW

Aww...

Fair enough.

Lol, no.

ROTFL - I was going to say "shaving"...

Thanks for the help. :)

It makes it more real.

Ler og rister p� hodet.

Quite so, not that much of it is allowed to heave. :)

Tennant

Tennant Stuart wrote:

Actually, I mentioned this a while ago too (I think it was in the same post that I made the Hank Azaria Simpsons comment) - it's really TWO sets of twins - both were featured on Entertainment Tonight a week or so ago.

So either no-one reads my posts ;) , or my own posts are getting crunched in the same way that some others are for me!

Caroline

In article , Caroline wrote:

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The earlier posts of yours I have, were posted as follows...

Feb 28 13:48 Friends S09-05 - chick or cheat Mar 03 16:09 Friends S09-05 - chick or cheat Mar 21 17:07 Friends S09-16 - once afterwards Mar 21 22:22 Friends S09-16 - once afterwards Apr 12 01:39 Friends S09-14 - long time no see May 16 18:04 ross isnt a real friend May 24 15:29 Friends S09-23 - 88 little piggies May 25 14:57 Friends S09-24 - homo erectus May 25 14:58 Friends S09-23 - 88 little piggies May 25 19:59 Friends S09-24 - homo erectus May 26 14:32 Friends S09-24 - homo erectus

..and none of them mention any twins. The only one which says "Hank" was your May 24th post replying to Belphoebe, which went as follows...

..and that doesn't mention the twins; though curiously you again complained that people seem to be ignoring you. I think you have a problem somewhere.

Tennant

You are missing one, the post I am referring to was sent to alt.tv.friends May 9 at 3.44 pm, titled "How many episodes left?". Right at the bottom of that post I mentioned "Did anyone see Entertainment Tonight before last night's Friends? They showed that Emma has been played by two sets of twins ... "

See above.

Well, I have a copy of the post I'm referring to in my outbox, and searching dejanews turned it up immediately, so it definitely made it to the group; since *your* original posts went missing for me, maybe the problem is at your end.

As for people ignoring me, if people keep posting comments/factoids I had already mentioned, as if they were for the first time, then what conclusion am I supposed to draw other than people don't read my posts ...<shrug>

Caroline

In article , Caroline wrote:

I don't have that post.

Don't worry, I believe you. :)

Maybe it never came this way, or maybe I deleted it...

I said *seem* to be ignoring you Caroline, nobody is really. :)

So, have you seen all my S9 reviews now?

Tennant

Tennant Stuart wrote:

It's at:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=friends+%2B%22how+many+episodes%22&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=3EBC0529.5020201%40NOSPAMinspiracy.com&rnum=2

(that's a heck of a long URL ...)

Glad to hear it. :)

It's just an odd little niggle for me, I like to know WHY things happen - why should two of your posts go missing, why should a few others ... I just like to know these things so I can do my best to overcome the problem!

Well, not now that by protesting I've forced myself into the collective consciousness. ;)

I believe I have. I don't respond much as people usually beat me to it by saying what I want to say, and I don't see the point in posting like a "me too" aoler ;) LOL

Caroline

In article , Caroline wrote:

That's because there were some extra bits you don't need.

All you do need is...

http://google.com/groups?&selm=3EBC0529.5020201%40NOSPAMinspiracy.com

YW

Maybe they just go the scenic route.

Heaven forfend.

Okay. :)

Tennant

Tennant Stuart likes to play a special version of 'Hey Jude', with 25 minutes of 'na nananana' and an extra verse that goes like this:

or www.tinyurl.com! It's your friend when you want to post long URLs :-)

cookie dude wrote:

Hey Andre that's great! Thanks for the tip. ;)

Caroline

In article , "cookie dude" wrote:

Well yes, but it's nice to see where one is going.

Tennant

Caroline likes to play a special version of 'Hey Jude', with 25 minutes of 'na nananana' and an extra verse that goes like this:

Isn't www.dejanews.com a mere redirector to Google these days?

Well yes, it is, it's just that "dejanews" just comes naturally to me since I used it for a long time - to tell the truth I *was* a bit startled the other day to end up at google when I'd typed in www.dejanews.com! ;)

Caroline

Caroline likes to play a special version of 'Hey Jude', with 25 minutes of 'na nananana' and an extra verse that goes like this:

hehe... ;) Apparently a lot of people think so. Once I got an email from somebody who asked me on advice about a certain program since I'd posted a lot about it in various NGs. When I asked him how the hell he found me, he said he searched for posts about the program on dejanews and my name constantly turned up... Google had already bought the archives off dejanews back then, so I wondered what their site looked like and was quite amused to find it was redirected to Google :) But OTOH it shows you're not alone by still referring to the Google Groups site as dejanews.

And on a related topic, if you go to www.napster.com it'll take you to the Roxio website, which is a burning program. Imagine, there'll be a time when people won't even remember Napster or Deja. I'm starting to feel old, especially since I gave a presentation on how to get a website listed in search engines today and told my co-students about the old days where people wrote tons of keywords at the bottom of their page, but in the same colour as the background was, so that nobody would see it. I was the only in the room to have ever come across such a page.

Andr�

cookie dude wrote:

Glad to hear that I'm not the only one behind the times. :)

I know ...

Aww. Wait till you start mentioning *TV* programmes no-one has ever heard of! *That* will make you feel old. ;)

Caroline

"Tennant Stuart" wrote in message news:[email]...

brown/blue.

Yeah, I imagine they're hard to train when they're that little. :)

You know, I'm thinking they must have decelerated Emma's age. I recently saw my one year, 2.5-month-old niece. The last time I'd seen her was last summer when she was 3.5 months old. She is much, much bigger than this new Emma, who looks much more like the 3.5-month old from last summer.

The last clue we had to Emma's age was when Rachel mentioned having had sex with Ross "eighteen months ago," placing Emma's age at nine months then. I wonder if they intended to freeze her at that age until they get around to advancing her sometime this fall.

He's a better friend to them than they are to him.

But it's quite common to use "crap" to mean "stuff"--it doesn't provide that much insight into Phoebe's psyche, and I don't think it provides a clue regarding her comment about David. It just seemed like a joke on par with the remarks the others were making.

I don't buy that she's so embarrassed about her intellectual pursuits. She wasn't shy about wanting to learn in her lit class.

my

Nope.

<Chandler voice>What scary-ass version of patty-cake did *you* play?</Chandler voice> ;)

Yup.

Yay!  :)

Heh.  :)

Oh. Nope, *that* I haven't tried. ;)

No problem.

I miss Gilda Radner. :(

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David.

;)

Yeah, well, my husband is still waiting for the porn version of _Friends_. ;)

Belpheebs

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Maybe, but that's probably what the actress who plays the mother has done, by getting involved with the child's family as his 'big sister'.

That's what Rachel said in 914 "TOW the Blind Dates" - but we have had another clue since then, since Monica reminded Chandler in 921 "TOW the Fertility Test" that they'd been trying to have a baby for over a year.

That's right.

What I'm saying is that Phoebe can be reticent in expressing support.

That's about herself, not about Ross.

I fail to see why you don't.

It was all perfectly innocent!

Right. :)

Awww... poor you. It's a pity that she died at 43.

�?

It's the Norwegian for "laughs and shakes head".

LOL, don't let Paul hear you say that! :)

Tennant

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Why?

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Too late--he heard! ;)

Belphoebe

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Because you might get all hot & bothered. :)

Tennant

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Probably more dedication than most actors would have.

Then again, it's not *that* odd that a baby should look around in different directions, even in the presence of his/her parents.

True--so now if they fudge with Emma's age, it will really seem glaring.

Maybe so, but to me, the "crap" usage doesn't demonstrate that. (I know, I know, I'm giving you a hard time. But I don't mean any harm!)

But it wouldn't really be "about Ross" if she were simply interested in learning something from sessions at the conference.

Yup, and yet you're out there convincing the girls that "patty cake" requires patting your partner's chest! ;)

It is.  :(

Belphoebe

In article , "Belphoebe" wrote:

Right.

Yes, I guess it's like painting horses to look like cows, because real cows just don't look like cows. (It's a joke in "The Simpsons".)

Yeah, though that probably won't stop them.

Okay. :)

Maybe she's a dabbler, then.

We were only about six!

Yep.

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Nope.  :(

Probably.

:)

The way I remember the game, it involved patting your hands together and against the hands of your partner--*maybe* crisscrossing against your own chest, but not slapping the other person's chest.

Belphoebe

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Have you seen Bavarian folk dancing, where they slap *everywhere*?

Tennant

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EVERYWHERE?? ouch!

~Jess~

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Yeah...

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own

No--sounds painful. ;)

Belpheebs

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Well, not while you're watching it (see Holyfield discussion).

Tennant

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Well,sure--it's not the spectators who are being slapped around!

Belphoebe

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Well, pat-a-cake is the gentler version.

Tennant

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Yes, she looked much too young - she's supposed to be about 12 months old now.

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I wonder why they did this. . . .

Belphoebe

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More than that - back in 921 "TOW the Fertility Test", Monica reminded Chandler that they've been trying to have a baby for over a year.

Tennant

On Mon, 26 May 2003 01:30:55 BST, Tennant Stuart wrote:

Actually, it was Sweden. They showed 615, took the summer off (maybe it was more than that - I can't remember), and then returned with 616. Come to think of it, that was probably the first J&R cliffhanger. :) Meanwhile, the Norwegian channel TV2 showed 801 to 912 in one go, but they won't air 913 until the fall.

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Lol

Thanks Marita, it was the 615/616 hiatus I was thinking of.

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The way I look at it, 90% of the speech was Ross's, or whatever percentage you care to attribute to the main academic content.

What Charlie wrote, (and don't forget that all Ross did was play with some bath products), was exactly the same speech but in her own words, with a better turn of phrase perhaps, that made it more interesting to listen to, and less soporific.

It went very well, didn't it?

Tennant

In uk.media.tv.friends on Sat, 24 May 2003 at 11:44:17, Tennant Stuart wrote :

BTW, how long do your reviews usually take to write?

Mine take an hour or so.

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Longer than that.

Tennant

In uk.media.tv.friends on Sun, 8 Jun 2003 at 07:41:04, Tennant Stuart wrote :

Well yours are rather long & better constructed than mine.

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Thankyou. :)

Tennant

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I would but it's not there. And how did you find out where the first episode is over?

As someone else complained about, how computer illiterate are these people? A virus cannot wipe out the entire hard drive just by being executed, at least on Windows based machines, as all the required files for the OS are protected, you cannot simply delete them. And what makes the whole thing even worse, it was an Apple laptop, most likely a G4 powerbook judging by the look. Since they run MacOS they're quite immune to all these viruses spread through email as they only affect Windows based systems (with Outlook/Outlook Express as the mail client). It's nonsense like this that makes people say "yeah, these computer viruses are dangerous, I recently went on this website and all of the sudden my monitor exploded. Must have been one of these viruses"..... Assuming the notebook was there as a product placement I also wonder why Apple didn't object to this.

They're really stressing this "Joey & Rachel couldn't care less about Ross and his speech while Charlie respects and is proud of him" thing, aren't they?

They *really* don't like me in Burbank

A scientist who's too fast when it comes to marriages - where have I seen that before?

Stupid bitch couldn't just have kept her mouth shut :(

Nothing against Mike, but this is just *wrong* - you hear me? W-R-O-N-G I tell ya!

He should've known better than to make that effort

When? How?

I knew there was something about him digging a hole, anyway, that's the Joey the way I love him

Wouldn't that be weird if she showed up again?

I believe you can count the final scene of 907 in as well, when they "danced" for Emma together

I think so. This was all doomed for me anyway, since I had read long ago that Paul Rudd was contracted for at least another five episodes - didn't even know Hank Azaria was going to be on back then. *damnit*....

Andr�

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I haven't finished writing it yet.

I've got this afternoon free, and hope to complete it on Sunday morning.

The semi-climactic mid-point was followed by a commercial break.

After that began a new day, with a new story.

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Who?

But it might delete Ross's speech, yes?

That's possibly a corporate thing.

Have you tried dropping monitors from ever-increasing heights to see if you can make one explode? (Or implode, he added pedantically.)

It's all a plot by Bill Gates.

Yes, but what would be new about that?

In 302 "TOW No-one's Ready", the only one who respected him was Phoebe.

Yeah, this didn't suit me all that much either.

LOL, good point. But then we know who's destined for her... ;)

For once I agree, Andr�. Monica was not my favourite person in this episode, and coming from me that is something.

Did you like the way David went "ah-hah"?

Absolutely. How could the writers do that to him? :(

Well of course, the answer is that Hank Azaria is too much in demand to be a recurring character on the show, but at least they could have revealed his last name before they sent him out into the snow.

He should, but you can see why he did that.

She said that David would probably want to hear a few lectures.

Me too.

I love to dig holes on the beach, but sadly I'm doomed to failure, since when I was little my cousins dug holes 25ft deep, and I can't compete.

Yes it would, and yet I believe it is a distinct possibility.

Unfortunately it will be hard to avoid the spoilers if she does, for some idiot will announce that Dina Meyer has been signed up by the studio.

What, when Ross betrayed her to their friends?

Oh dear, sulk.

Poor David was so downhearted, and the series is overdue for a death...

On the bright side though, Mike is far less like Ross than David was.

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<nitpick>It was "ha-ha."</nitpick>

(Hey, could this count as a _Simpsons_ reference? Think of the bully who always jumps in with "ha-ha" whenever another character faces humiliation.)

We know his last name. They've been saying it all along. His full name is "David DeScientist-Guy." ;)

She gave with one hand and took back with the other, by saying that this was because he needs to avoid direct sunlight (and not because he's a scientist who would have an actual interest in the subject matter).

Heyyyyyyy. I thought I'd convinced you that this was *not* a betrayal. I'm feeling a bit betrayed myself. :(

If you want to see betrayal, watch Joey at the end of TOW the Nap Partners!

You don't really *want* this, do you?!?! :(

Belphoebe

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Hey, I already mentioned that when I posted about the finale! I said it was a neat homage to Hank's main series, having him deliver Nelson's catchphrase!

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who

humiliation.)

Ah, I'm sorry, Caroline--I missed yout post. Hey, great minds think alike! :)

Belpheebs

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alike!

Yup. ;) One of the funniest moments of the finale for me!

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Oh, okay.

Not really. David doesn't say it in anything like the right way.

Yes I know, you're referring to Nelson Muntz.

I might still have agreed if Nelson was voiced by Hank Azaria, but in fact the character belongs to Nancy Cartwright, who also voices Bart.

:P

I didn't say that she *was* supportive...

Had you?

Awww....

There you go then, you agree with me.

Well, as long as we get a good look at the headstone...

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He said it in a way that was more characteristic for David. But that doesn't mean it wasn't a reference for alert _Simpsons_ fans.

I know he doesn't do the voice for Nelson, but that doesn't mean it's not a reference to the show.

To me, a convincing argument is the situation: Poor Mike had just suffered a humilating blow. If this happened on _The Simpsons_, you bet Nelson would have popped in with his ubiquitous "Ha-ha."

There, problem solved!

She didn't try very hard.

Yes, after I expended tons of energy explaining why it *wasn't* a betrayal, you told me that you liked my interpretation. I took that to mean that I'd convinced you. But now you've carried on calling it a betrayal, as if I'd never "spoken" at all.

Maybe you could make me feel better by reconsidering. . . .

No, because while I think Joey betrayed Ross, I don't think that Ross betrayed Rachel.

In the latter situation, it was quite obvious that both were doing the "inappropriate" song, so there was no way the friends would have taken Ross's feigned protest seriously.

In the former, they've no way to know it was actually Joey who had so strongly advocated their co-napping. For all they knew, Ross might have done this against Joey's will.

That's horrible! You'd actually want him *killed* to learn his stupid last name? Your last-name obsession is more extreme than I realized.

(I propose we all drop our last names to piss you off!!!)

Here's something to give you a headache: Is Cher's last name still Bono? Did she go back to Sarkisian? Does her social security card actually have her with just the one name--Cher? Does she sign her checks "Cher"?

(heh heh)

Belphoebe

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I'm in. However that does not apply to my screen name, there's no way in hell I'll be posting as 'cookie'

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Fair enough. From now on, you're to be known here as "Andr�," sans last name! :)

Belphoebe

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I already do call him "Andr�". But "Cookie" is rather sweet. :)

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Shrug.

I've already shrugged.

How many times do I have to shrug around here?

Neah. It's gonna havta be the headstone now...

This is Phoebe we're talking about.

Maybe you just didn't give me a better word to use instead.

Okay, I'm in a good mood today.

What are you suggesting Ross was thought to have done here?

You haven't seen the full of it, babe.

I already know them.

Have you forgotten 912 "TOW Phoebe's Rats" already?

RACHEL: He didn't have a last name. It was just "Tag", you know, like Cher, or, you know, Moses.

As I pointed out in my review, not only is Tag's last name Jones, but Cher is actually Cherilyn Sarkisian LaPierre, whilst Moses was doubly born of the house of Levi...

Furthermore, Cher is also the name of Marita Bakken's barcalounger, (full name Cherilyn aged 2y5m), and *her* last name is Stolveig. :P

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Well, besides shrugging, are you still insisting that it can't be a _Simpsons_ reference?

Did I know you were going to shrug?

You don't have to shrug at all, since you're being unkind. I didn't deserve that.

Noooooooooooooooo!

betrayal.

How about "prank"?

Something objectionable enough to inspire Joey to say, "Dude! What the hell are you doing?! God!"

OMG. Well, tell me, then!

Not if we legally change our last names without telling you what we changed them to. . . . .

Bono?

have

Yes, I'd already forgotten them.

That *was* her name; what is it now?

But they didn't have last names.

Aww, how cute! :)

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Not really. An actor appearing on "Friends" voiced a two syllable word sounding different from the way an actress on "The Simpsons" pronounces it. Nobody would pay any attention to this if the actor wasn't on both shows. I'm sometimes accused of being obsessed by trivia, but this is not so - however, if you want to believe in the connection Belphoebe, then that's just fine by me, as long as it makes you happy. Okay?

Oh, I'm sorry if you felt that I was being unkind, since I promise you that I wasn't. I just don't think it's an issue worth arguing about.

Grin.

No, that's inapt, Ross didn't prank her to their friends.

Ross physically abusing Joey by effectively sneaking into his bed?

Would they ever assume such a thing?

Well, if Monica murdered Chandler, we would hear her full name being read out in court, and we would learn her middle name.

I'd shrug that off (which is not being unkind to you).

I don't care. It's what was given in the IMDb the last time I looked.

If it's changed since then, I'll use the new name. If it's vanished, then I'll carry on using LaPierre.

I know, but if they did, it would be Moses Levi.

Yeah. :)

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betrayal.

It seemed like a prank to me. Or maybe you'd prefer "joke" or "pretend-betrayal."

What matters it what Joey did and what *he* meant for the others to think.

Oh, noooooooooooooo!

Why? Wouldn't you be obsessed about knowing what our names are now (or would be then)? Or do you only care about birth names?

IMDb specifies that this was her *birth name*, and notes that she legally changed it to "Cher." So, again, do you care only about birth names?

It has:  "Cher."  ;)

Belphoebe

In article , "Belphoebe" wrote:

I need a transitive verb.

Ooh, sneaky.

EG

Well, of course it would be better to know your name *before* that... ;)

ibid

Look more closely, sweetie. :)

http://uk.imdb.com/Bio?Cher

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*That's* the reason for this impasse? Why do you "need" a transitive verb? Why not be a little more flexible, rather than insisting that you need to be able to take one word out, and replace it with another? Hey, I'd understand if you were revising a typewritten draft and needed to be able to white out your old word and replace it with something that took up the same amount of space, but as you are so fond of pointing out, a computer *is not a typewriter.*

Thus, Ross played a prank on Rachel. He played a prank on her in front of their friends.

think.

<Phoebe voice>Thank you.</Phoebe voice> :)

You don't know my birth name. :P

legally

Look more closely than what? You seem to be ignoring the bits I pointed out to you about legally changing her name. I saw nothing to cancel that out.

Belphoebe

In article , "Belphoebe" wrote:

It's a matter of style.

Sniff.

YW

Yes, I do.

No matter, LaPierre is still there.

Tennant

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Hmph.  ;)

of

Here's a Kleenex.

I've never told it to you. Have you obtained a copy of my marriage license?

that out.

As her birth name, not as her current name. Is Cary Grant Archibald Leach to you?

Belphoebe

In article , "Belphoebe" wrote:

It's still something which Ross does *to* her, a direct action.

Having reduced the word, your phrase pulls it away to one remove.

And you're the one who said Joey betrayed Ross at the end of 706, so I don't see why 907 should be that much different.

Are you all cried out today? ;)

Yes you have, and no.

Yes.

Humphrey Bogart called his fourth wife by her real name Betty.

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Pulling a prank on someone *is* doing something to someone.

In RnR's case, it was obvious that both were doing the "inappropriate song." In Joey and Ross's case, it was not obvious that *Joey* had been after Ross to nap with him again.

But if you really don't see a difference, we can say that Joey played a prank on Ross, too. ;)

Me? You're the one who "sniffed." :)

When did I tell you my birth name?

Leach

Why?

That was probably Lauren Bacall's preference. If she'd preferred "Lauren," he probably would have called her that. Cher doesn't seem to prefer "Cherilyn Sarkisian LaPierre."

Belphoebe, who never uses her birth name and who deliberately dropped her middle name.

Belphoebe wrote:

was your middle name Muriel by any chance?

"Andr� Knoche" wrote in message news:3f7aeaa4$0$6595$[email]...

Heh. Nope, but I did actually have a neighbor named Chandler many years ago. :)

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In article , "Belphoebe" wrote:

I'm willing to go for an intermediate term, less�harsh than "betrayed", yet somewhat stronger than "pranked", if you can think of one suitable. Okay?

You're the one sacrificing your Kleenex.

Check out Chandler in 205 "TOW Five Steaks and an Eggplant".

Just over two years ago.

That's his name.

Of course, but it was still her name.

Preferring to be called something else doesn't change your name.

You say that as though your middle name is not a birth name.

Did you acquire it at a later time?

Tennant

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yet

Lemme think about it.

Oh, I see. Actually, IRL, I'm very low on Kleenex, but not because of tears--because of baby spitup. :)

I don't recall that at all. Could you e-mail me?

Legally changing one's name changes it.

Okay. Trying to differentiate middle from last.

Belphoebe

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I feel like I'm in Physics again.....

dunno, post has surely gone off my local version of ATF by now. There was a thread about this though

Hmm, surely there's virii that delete the contents of the "My Documents" folder. Another point though, didn't Chandler say something about the attachment being pictures of Anna Kournikova? AFAIK the only *.jpg virii around are "proof of concepts" ones that don't really do any harm, they just show you could potentially cause damage that way. But I'm so not uptodate on Techie stuff, so I dunno. In my little world *.jpg virii don't exist ;)

What do you mean?

Do I seem like someone who has too much money?

He "signed" my MCP certificate, so he's alright by me

Charlie for one. :P

They had other troubles. Monica was hung up on Richard, Rachel was suddenly confronted with Ross' err... stronger side and Chandler and Joey had to settle a matter of principle (not sure if this works in English, I'm thinking of the German saying "Es geht hier um's Prinzip"), hehe...

So much for them reading your reviews...

Rebecca Romijn-Stamos aka "The Dirty Girl"? She was a colleague who also appreciated his work a lot and I liked her a lot more than Charlie

Of course :)

There have been other relations where we didn't see the guest star for two eps in a row or so, haven't there?

I believe it's Churchill

.... Since he couldn't be exposed to too much sunlight....

Why would you dig a hole that's 25 ft deep? Who/what were they trying to bury?

Ya think? ISTM hardly anyone will know who she is. Or is that actress really famous for something?

They weren't dancing anymore then, were they?

If that happens I'll be coming by your house to kick your ass....

How's being more like Monica a good thing though?

Andr�

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Oh. Well, as far as I can tell, none of these six friends are at all expert in computers, so what they say should not be taken seriously.

Don't ask me, viruses die as soon as they enter my computer. But for the sake of the story, we can assume any possible virus did exist.

Warner Brothers not showing a Gates machine letting the hero down.

Sadly, perfectly usable monitors are thrown away in dreadful numbers simply because they're not the latest model. Happens all the while.

You have a Male Chauvinist Pig certificate?

I must say I'm warming to her.

Well, that's just it, the other four all put themselves first.

Phoebe put Ross first.

Maybe still so, since they've read what I'd like even more. :)

I don't think she'd get on with her sister-in-law.

Good. Or maybe it was "hah-hah".

Well, for starters Mike easily survived the critical 6-episode point...

10 Emily Waltham (414-501) 10 Mike Hanigan (903-923)

7 Janice Littman (224-308)

6 Julie ? (124-208) 6 Richard Burke (215-224) 6 Mark Robinson (311-319) 6 Pete Becker (318-324) 6 Kathy ? (405-413) 6 Tag Jones (704-714) 6 Mona ? (805-817)

5 Joshua Bergin (413-420) 5 Janine LeCroix (607-611) 5 Elizabeth Stevens (618-624)

4 Charlie Wheeler (920-923)

..as for going missing, Mike now holds the record at 5, having not been seen in 918-922. In second place is Mona at 3 (812-814). It's quite common to go missing for two episodes, Mike himself has done that twice (910-911 and 914-915).

Really? On what basis?

That's Phoebe for you. She's a nicer person in private.

The key to understanding the hole-depth-thing is "when I was little".

Growing up, one doesn't get bigger, the world gets smaller.

She's made a few movies & TV shows...

 1993   Strapped - Delivery Person
 1994   Beverly Hills 90210 (TV) - Lucinda Nicholson
 1995   Johnny Mnemonic - Jane
 1996   Dragonheart - Kara
 1997   Friends (TV) - Kate Miller
 1997   Starship Troopers - Private Dizzy Flores
 1998   Ally McBeal (TV) - Anna Flint
 1998   Nowhere Land - Monica
 1998   Poodle Springs - Laura Parker-Marlowe
 1999   Bats - Dr. Sheila Casper
 1999   Stranger Than Fiction - Emma Scarlett
 2000   Secret Agent Man (TV) - Holiday
 2001   Deadly Little Secrets - Stephanie Vincent
 2001   Time Lapse - Kate
 2001   Unspeakable - Diana Purlow
 2002   D-Tox - Mary Malloy
 2002   Federal Protection - Bootsie
 2002   The Movie Nut and His Audience - Elizabeth
 2002   Star Trek: Nemesis - Donatra

(I've bleeped out a word that Belphoebe finds offensive)

Well, dancing to the same music is not much of a connection.

Hah.

David isn't like Monica, Mike is.

Tennant

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Awww, thanks! :)

Hey, there was more to it than that--it was their coordinated silliness in collaborating to make baby Emma laugh.

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Yes, but that is not the sort of thing I'm talking about.

It has to be a weird sort of seemingly telepathic thing, something almost unworldly, to make a neutral observer sit up & take notice.

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Ohhhhhh. I couldn't tell that this is what you meant.

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Okay. I think that you guys sometimes say "jinx" when it happens.

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That's when we say the same thing at the same time.

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Right. Well, this is like that, but actions instead of words.

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It's not about the characters, it's about the people put that laptop there and came up with the story in the first place

Hmm, interesting. Maybe not so much WB as NBC had an interest in not showing a Windows based system fail, what with MSNBC and all... I smell a conspiracy!

Not so much. Microsoft has deemed me capable of administrating a W2K based network and therefore awarded me with the "Microsoft Certified Professional" certificate (more info: http://www.microsoft.com/mcp)

Because she had nothing else to worry about

I think they'd get along great. It'd be like a new hobby for Monica, it'd give Chandler some time to spend with Joey - they way I look at it, everybody wins.

All I wanted to know ;)

Was the first thing I could think of

It's never gonna happen pal

[Dina Meyer]

That's bad...

But the reason to their dancing is: They deliberately made fools of themselves, just to please their daughter. While it may not be anything special to you, it shows that they were on the same wavelength which is all I am talking about. BTW: I don't think their scenes in this episode were worth mentioning in this context

Exactly. He's not like Ross, he's like Monica - so I ask how's that a good thing?

Andr�

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Yes, but what I'm saying is that we don't know what really happened, since the witnesses were inexpert, so we can't criticise the story.

Exactly.

Ah. Good for you. :)

The only one who had something else to worry about was Monica.

I didn't say that Monica wouldn't get along with Cheryl.

I don't think that Cheryl would get along with Monica.

YW

lol

We'll see.

How come?

But parents do things like that.

Maybe not many, but enough that seeing it happen is not weird.

Well, it was just the most together they've been in years, is all.

It isn't that Mike is more like Monica, it's that he's less like Ross.

Tennant

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But I want to! :)

Here's where I disagree. I think Chandler's and Joey's problem was very important too

We can't say for sure, can we? She might just be lazy and can't be bothered to ever clean her apartment. That she shut the door in Monica's face might be because Monica came there in the middle of the night

Trust me on this one

The ones I knew off that list were shockingly bad and I've no reason to assume the others were any better

neh, don't think so.

Andr�

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Grin.

Childishly squabbling over a chair?

If you want to believe that, then please do so. :)

I never said she'd done Hedda Gabbler.

Okay.

Tennant

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It was a matter of principle. Just as much as fighting over the remote is. Or like buying the foosball table was for them in S1 :)

Huh? She's lesbian? And what's that got to do with her movie career?

btw: I finally watched Series 8 of Red Dwarf - *that's* a comeback series, unlike Friends S8, which in retrospective is even more rubbish than I thought at the time. Up until the 8th season I thought the parallels between the two shows were quite interesting, out of all the people I know they rate the first five seasons very highly and are heavily disappointed with everything that comes afterwards. And they had to end it with a cliffhanger... *argh* I must say I find that one a lot more interesting than the (Friends) S9 cliffhanger, wonder if there'll be a ninth series of Red Dwarf.....

Andr�

In article , "cookie dude" wrote:

That doesn't come close to Ross's career or Monica's devastation.

Hedda Gabbler is a famous intellectual play.

I didn't like the way they went 'back' to a populated ship.

Grin.

Well, since the eighth season finished over 4 years ago, I doubt it.

Tennant

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it does for some people :)

[Dina Meyer]

You had to ruin my silly joke, didn't ya?

It was a bit odd, but at least Rimmer returned. Kochanski didn't work for me at all during S7 (I suppose this is where Paul enters this conversation.... :) ) And how Lister and Rimmer got themselves into trouble with the captain all the time was hilarious. I thought I was going to die during "Pete, Part 1&2"

I don't know much about the history of Red Dwarf, but aren't they notorious for this? Wasn't there another huge pause between two serious' because one of the guys was sent into jail for something? The official website says that they're about to start filming for the movie, but I assume that has been said a lot before.

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Hmmmm...

Oh, sorry - as in "done" - I get it now. :)

Yep.

I was all set to hate the new Kochanski, because I had fallen in love with Clare Grogan in "Gregory's Girl" then Altered Images, but for me Chlo� Anett turned out to be rather spiffing, actually. :)

Probably... Paul?

Oh, I preferred stuff like the snacks dispenser, that nearly killed me.

Craig Charles was accused of something which I shall not repeat, because the whole thing was totally unfounded. I don't know about Germany, but this kind of thing seems to happen an awful lot in Britain.

Anyway, you're right, this caused a gap of 3y2m between S6 & S7. But it's now been 4y2m since S8 ended, and nobody has been in trouble with the law.

Craig Charles is now firmly established as the presenter of "Robot Wars".

I dunno, but movie deals are always falling through.

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...and as a DJ on 6 Music.

They've been about to make a movie for 2-3 years now. Search google groups and no doubt you'll find the insights of RD geeks that will reveal more.

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Oh, I mostly listen to Radio One & Jazz FM.

Yeah.

Tennant

Tennant Stuart likes to play a special version of 'Hey Jude', with 25 minutes of 'na nananana' and an extra verse that goes like this:

d'uh....

Apart from her looks, I have a thing for that kind of accent. Same reason I prefer the male Holly to the female Holly, the accent alone cracks me up

Give him some time, he's currently categorizing his vidcap galleries: "nice cleavage", "lots of cleavage", "insane amounts of cleavage" and "not for public viewing" :)

Hehe, yeah that was nice as well. But preparing a curry for a T-Rex... rofl

Just two days ago, they raided the private home and offices of the vice president of the jewish commitee in Germany and found bags of cocaine. Really funny, because this guy was really annoying, always making himself out to be a saint, when the talkshow he hosted was all about him insulting his guests (and never ever giving them the chance to defend themselves). I hasten to add that my dislike towards him is not because of him being jewish

Ah well. The DVDs are quite good from what I've been told though (only S1 and S2 have been released so far). I'll probably pick them up soonish

What a weird show that is, only Brits or Japanese could come up with something like this :)

Andr�

In uk.media.tv.friends on Sat, 14 Jun 2003 at 15:45:32, cookie dude wrote :

Actually, the fourth category is named 'Dedee Pfeiffer in S9-03 cleavage'. :)

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Grin.

Ah yes, sigh. Have you seen "That Sinking Feeling"?

You'll love it, but make sure you don't get the butchered US version.

Ah.

Gosh, even I haven't seen the NFPV collection.

Yes, but can't compare with Cat playing with a roast chicken dinner...

Gosh. I couldn't believe it when the British Tory minister was found dead after committing lewd acts that I had to have explained to me.

Sure, no worries.

Yep, the uncut version of 101 was much better.

I dunno about the Japanese, but our robots thrashed your robots. :)

Tennant

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[Chlo� Anett]

What is it? Might check it out

"what's happenin' dudes?" lol

You don't need to know everything ;o)

Yeah, you know that, but I got in trouble for that before, think it was with Sofya or whatever her name was

I have to admit that I found S1 to be a little hard to appreciate, S2 was miles better IMHO

Yeah, we like to invest our money in proper tanks, not some fancy lawn mower robot type thing :P

Andr�

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I was talking about Clare Grogan.

Written/directed by Bill "Gregory's Girl" Forsyth, four bored, unemployed teenagers in dreary, rainy Glasgow come up with a great idea - stainless steel sinks are worth lots of money, so they come up with a complex scheme to steal them from a warehouse, dressed as girls using a paralysis drug.

"This is not a daffodil; repeat, this is *not* a daffodil!"

<sulk>

I remember one of you two getting annoying a touch annoyed when the other one used the word "verboten".

Yes, it was - but S1 was excellent for a first season.

Smirk, I seem to recall that our tanks thrashed your tanks also. :P

Tennant

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Ah, didn't seem like it

:D

ISTM like S1 was merely setup for what was to come

That's because our tank drivers had had too much proper German beer the night(s) before ;-)

Andr�

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You're right, it didn't. Sorry about that.

Oh no, I think it was better than that.

LOL!

Tennant

Tennant Stuart likes to play a special version of 'Hey Jude', with 25 minutes of 'na nananana' and an extra verse that goes like this:

no problem

I'm not saying it was bad or anything, I'm just saying that it seemed to me as though the main purpose of the first season was to introduce us to the characters, to get a feel for them and then when S2 came around they went really crazy. I quite liked it that way.

Andr�

In article , "cookie dude" wrote:

That's character development. There's a lot of truth in what you say; it's just that, for a first season, "Friends" was remarkably good. Indeed, its pilot was very good for a pilot, most aren't.

Tennant

Tennant Stuart likes to play a special version of 'Hey Jude', with 25 minutes of 'na nananana' and an extra verse that goes like this:

I don't know about you, but I was talking about Red Dwarf :P

Tennant Stuart likes to play a special version of 'Hey Jude', with 25 minutes of 'na nananana' and an extra verse that goes like this:

muahahahaha.... this is genius

In uk.media.tv.friends on Sat, 14 Jun 2003 at 09:41:53, Tennant Stuart wrote :

She wasn't bad...

Yes?

Find a less dangerous snack dispenser then. :)

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Not bad? Only the cutest little thing!

What about Chlo� Anett then?

It was a totally harmless snack dispenser, that was the point!

Tennant

In uk.media.tv.friends on Mon, 16 Jun 2003 at 17:57:14, Tennant Stuart wrote :

Clare Grogan is cute. Chloe Annett however, is sexy.

BTW I saw CG doing some commentary on VH1's '100 sexiest artists' last weekend - she still looks fine. :)

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Absolutely right. I was still talking about Clare Grogan, though I concede that the context was somewhat confusing.

Yeah, and she was on Buzzcocks not long ago.

Tennant

On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 13:12:54 BST, Tennant Stuart wrote:

There's only one "b" in her last name, though... :)

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Marita--I still owe you a reply to our "Hedda"/"Nora" discussion from January. Sorry!

Here goes:

Marita wrote: On Sat, 18 Jan 2003 17:06:15 GMT, "Belphoebe" wrote:

have

And imagine Barry coming up with all those ridiculous nicknames, like "my little songbird" and "my little spendthrift." Of course, Rachel wouldn't have had to forge her father's signature to get a loan. Well, maybe I'm wrong, since she would quite possibly not have any collateral of her own.

enough

I think she can be at times.

She's definitely had her moments!

Hedda was being blackmailed, though--so Rachel would have to feel pretty desperate (hey, Tennant would love that; he enjoys the dark stuff!). I can't imagine Rachel romanticizing suicide, though.

Belphoebe

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Grin.

No, she wouldn't. Long before reaching desperation, Rachel would start to cry, Monica would get annoyed with her, and Joey would come running.

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And Phoebe would tell her a story about her life on the streets, and accuse Rachel of obsessing over "high-school stuff." ;)

Belphoebe

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Awww... to be fair to your quasi-namesake, that was the hormones. :)

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Heh, but I wasn't mean during *my* pregnancy! ;)

Belphoebe

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What about Evander Holyfield?

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The cardboard cutout was safe. :)

Belphoebe

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You had one?

Tennant

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No--wherever the cutouts are, they were safe. ;)

Belpheebs

In article , "Belphoebe" wrote:

Lol, that's what Ford said about the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal.

Tennant

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Oh, a _Hitchhiker's Guide_ reference. I listened to a radio-progam version many years ago, but never read the books.

Belphoebe

In article , "Belphoebe" wrote:

Oh, the radio version is very good (much better pictures than the TV) but of course that can't compare with the books, where one may enter into the minds of the characters.

One reason why I enjoyed 813 "TOW Chandler Takes a Bath" so much.

Tennant

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Eep, I must have been thinking of gobbler... ;)

Tennant

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Thank you, Andr�! Another for my list! :)

See, Tennant--wishing him dead is dangerous! ;)

Belphoebe

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Another what? Or is Rebecca Romijn-Stamos on your freebie list? She'd certainly be on mine, if I had to worry about something like that

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Eep, no.

My list of people who admire Ross's work. :)

Belphoebe

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She did admire more than his work though ;)

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Awww... when you get to know him, Andr� is actually a very nice guy. :)

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episode

I wondered the same thing!

Yes, I agree. I kept thinking I could really hear the gears grinding in the way they were writing this. I'll pick up on this more in the 9/24 thread, once it appears.

Belphoebe

In uk.media.tv.friends on Fri, 23 May 2003 at 16:03:21, cookie dude wrote :

Yes, this was utterly unrealistic.

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Clever headline, BTW.

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Nice to see Ross as the popular one for once. :) Finally he can speak to someone who appreciates science. (Yeah, I know, apart from Phoebe. <g>)

This was so unrealistic. Why on earth didn't he have an extra copy? And don't get me started on him building a pyramid of bath products while Charlie helped him out. But we're already discussing this in another thread, so...

As for Charlie, she becomes nicer every day. I just hope she's a "Mona" and not a "Gary" when the writers decide to say goodbye to her.

410 TOW the Girl From Poughkeepsie all over again, even though the mere fact that it was Rachel this time around makes it different.

How thoughtful of him... :)

Talk about meant for each other. Even though Ross's obsession with raiding hotels for free stuff got old pretty fast after 919 TOW Rachel's Dream, it was actually quite funny here. And from the moment they started sharing experiences about gay partners, you knew something was going to happen. (Speaking of which, I thought Ross's suggestion for him, Carol and Susan only happened in 615/616, but oh well..)

I heard many fans complain about the fact that Ross and Charlie were *too* perfect for each other, and that it was contrived, but in many ways she really is a great match for him. She's a smart, lovely and funny woman, so yeah, poor Ross if he ends up with Charlie instead of Rachel.

And that was pretty much it when it comes to interaction between the two so-called star-crossed lovers.

That has been pretty obvious ever since her tough break-up in 916. And why shouldn't it be? Mike was a great guy. :)

I immediately thought of this line when I saw this scene: (817 TOW the Tea Leaves) Chandler: I�m not great at the advice, can I interest you in a sarcastic comment? Some cheese?

Yeah, it's like you say, they should listen more to Monica.

Strange how something so stupid can be so funny. Speaking of which, it would have been funny to see Mr. Kotter and Roseanne Rosannadanna in a scene together..

I bet Chandler was reminded of his friends' meddling when he was going to propose. Fortunately, it usually turns out alright in the end.

Was this a 624 flashback or what? Thankfully, the woman chose the right guy here as well. And I'm still convinced that Phoebe will be driving Mike Jr and Sophie to soccer-practice in a boxy Volvo in a couple of years.

Agreed. David would have felt terrible if she had married him and called him Mike in her wedding vows... ;)

Yay! :)

I had expected much more from a season finale.

Monica was painfully loud once she got to Barbados, and I didn't like that part of her story, but her hair was funny.

I like Charlie. She fits well in the cast, and Aisha is oddly believable as a professor for some reason. I do feel bad for David, but I see what Chandler was saying, and in the end I was just as annoyed with David as Chandler was. He became a pushover in the restaurant, and this obviously became the character flaw that eliminated him from the show.

They were okay, but I just find this entire plot so incredibly boring. I want more papertowel fights, nap-partners and miracle-chairs. Those were the days...

They have used both a robot and a real baby this season. A couple of weeks ago Entertainment Tonight talked to the mothers of the two sets of twins who have played Emma so far. In fact, Emma at 7 months and older was played by twin girls of Greek descent, and apparently Jennifer started giving them Greek nicknames because she thought they were so adorable. The mother of the first set of twins said that they had been lucky enough to get 907 TOW Ross's Inappropriate Song, and she had had to dance around in front of her daughters together with Jennifer Aniston in order to make them smile.

Yeah, I noticed that too. I have no idea what happened to her, though.

Yeah, we can see the pattern. She has no respect whatsoever for what he does for a living. It would have been different if he had cared as much about his job as Chandler did with his former job, but Ross loves his job, and therefore, it's a big part of what he is.

That didn't occur to me, but who knows.

Hehe, depends on whether she's as crazy as Mon.

I have no idea. I've never watched the show.

But DOOL was involved some way in the scenes in question, right?

Chandler wore Monica's underwear to work as well. (704) Monica didn't say whether it was a thong or not, though.

I certainly hope not! He can help someone out in a different way instead.

I noticed that too. It was really bizarre.

Hehe. Maybe she married Barry the orthodontist who thought it would be great to go to a pharmaceutical conference dressed as a pharmacist?

You mean the Monica/Joey/Chandler outtake from 410, right?

Probably both. Plus, he could always steal some from the maid's cart in the hallway.

Perhaps she didn't talk about all of her partners in 920.

No, they've been fairly okay when they've dealt with Emma.

Yep. 5-year anniversary and everything.

Because Chandler spends the time observing David in order to do a good impression of him afterwards?

Oh, that's right! Very true, by the way.

They must really like him..

I dunno, but I heard Aisha say that she was terrified of bumping into people and falling flat on her face in the Central Perk scenes. (Not this episode, but another one.) So maybe they have increased the number of extras.

Yep. Who knows how many she has by now.

No. It wasn't too bad in the beginning, but it only got worse and worse. And she was terribly loud.

SNL-character. It's too bad they don't show SNL in Europe.

Perhaps Joey took her to the local Pizza Hut instead.

Chandler had a real and visible diamond, though. "Diamonds are a girl's best friend," remember? ;)

Monica thought Richard was the man she was supposed to spend the rest of her life with, and two years later that all changed.

I'm not sure. Paul Rudd is pretty well-known in the States. He has a critically acclaimed movie out at the moment ("The Shape of Things"), and he's constantly showing up in different plays and movies. Azaria has The Simpsons, so I don't know if one of them is busier than the other. I'm just going to be happy that Mike is back.

PLEASE note that this is about the *first* part of the finale.

The second part of the finale will not be shown in Britain until next week, so NO SPOILERS PLEASE about what happens in the end!

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Thanks, sweetie! You surely are my star.

I know! This was so great.

Well yes, apart from Ph-

Ah, you're ahead of me. :)

It makes no sense. Even someone who is no expert will have lost stuff before, so will have learnt by experience. It's like the way that adults check they have their key before slamming the front door shut - oh.

Well, this was *partly* in character. It was silly that he should mess about while Charlie helped him out; but given that he did, a pyramid of bath products was like him. They fit in his suitcase easier like that.

Quite so, but allow me to acquaint you with the *new* version of that paragraph, which I've carefully made as neutral as possible. This gives you another week before the final version of my 924 review goes up...

}�Charlie is entranced to hear Ross practicing his keynote speech; but }�due to Chandler borrowing his computer to look at pornographic emails, }�a virus wipes the hard disc, deleting the speech: and sadly Ross has }�neither back-ups nor a printout. However, Charlie claims that she can }�recreate it, so she gives up her time with Joey to help Ross.

Yeah, I'm warming to her too.

I know what you mean, but I quite liked Gary's departure, since I hated the guy, so I was glad to see him painted black. On the other hand, poor Mona was really nice, and it was such a shame the way that Ross treated her so badly. You will recall that some episodes before she left, I had the idea that Joey/Rachel/Ross/Mona should share a large flat together, then the baby would have both parents without anyone spitting up.

But you're right, Charlie is nice; so we don't want to suddenly discover that she has�already married, or doesn't want any children, or is boring when drunk, or hates Monica, or loves Chandler, or is too zesty, or has sex with her brother, or feels ensnared, or is immature, or decides to became a wrestler, or shaves her head, or makes a pass at Phoebe...

That's right! The poor JnP fans must now be feeling left out.

We reckon that from when goofy smile sneaks onto her face, it wasn't Joey patting Rachel's breast, it was Matt patting Jennifer's breast.

Here's the new carefully neutral version...

}�Ross makes a pyramid out of bath products while Charlie does all the }�hard work on the speech. He is really impressed; but then as he thanks }�her, their faces come close, and they have a moment. Ross is even more }�impressed when she teaches him how to fiddle the mini-bar; then after }�Charlie gets Ross talking about his first marriage, she reveals that }�her ex-fianc� was gay, and soon the two of them are connecting.

It was the surprise shot of that little pyramid. Could the young Ross have fancied himself as an archaeologist instead of a palaeontologist?

Yes, this was a first for Ross, I think.

Ross said that he floated the idea, he didn't say that it happened.

Well, except for the way she dumped Alby for being insecure.

They are certainly better suited, and Charlie is no bitch.

Yep. Not a spark. For a moment, I thought perhaps they would comfort each other, but there was less affection than Chandler & Joey would have shown to each other. They just went to their separate rooms.

He might be a great guy in terms of what would be good for her, but he's become so *boring*! David is always fun, Azaria knocks spots off Rudd.

Lol yes, good call.

That was neat continuity, and in this episode Chandler also combined advice & cheese, when he mentioned pizza toppings.

Thanks, though of course Phoebe still had her back-up back-up... ;)

Absolutely! Though to be scientific, you can make your own humidity meter with a long strand of your hair (carefully degreased) tied onto a long pointer made of plastic or balsa-wood, near to the pivot.

Ah, that's what Joey calls teenaged Ross in 214 "TOW the Prom Video" when the gang sees his 80s haircut, (though the transcript spells the name as "Cotter"). So, who is this guy, then? Was he on SNL?

Maybe, but the pig sex thing was very nearly disastrous.

In a way, but the guy with the ring is supposed to get the girl!

We might have to disagree on this, except that since I reckon David would be so much better for Phoebe, I'm glad that he's out of the way, leaving second-rate Mike to be disposed of by Ross.

Nah, you're forgetting what the tea leaves said. ;)

LOL, it's a shame this wasn't a running joke in the series, with Monica saying "I take thee Joey" at her wedding to Chandler.

Ooh, you heartless woman! The poor guy was *devastated*!

Exactly.

That's what I meant, the hair was the good bit.

Yeah. I like the way it seems as though she can't quite believe what the gang gets up to.

Yes, I too was annoyed by David's lack of backbone here.

Well, I wouldn't say it was boring, it was just kinda nice.

Well quite, that kind of thing is what was lacking here. Maybe we'll see more of The Cobras in S10, if the other four should turn against them.

Awww...

I'm not surprised, but that's what was going wrong here, with the baby looking at its mother instead of Miss Aniston.

How soon did you notice it? In the above passage, I cited the first moment the bandage is visible, and when it is the most obvious, but in fact for me recognition came at some point in between.

It's a mystery...

Quite so.

OTOH, we've also seen that Ross has no respect for her career either, he's never been supportive; while as recently as the previous episode Joey lauded Rachel to his squeeze as a fashion expert.

A friend tells me there's been quite a few on Buffy TVS.

Oh, I though it was just the whole showbiz thing.

Would you let Matthew Perry sign your bra? ;)

Me neither.

Well, yes.

Oh yes, good call.

Grin.

Yeah. I think it's significant, possibly on a level with the casual references to the girl from the Xerox place in 301 and 303.

Gosh! Well, Barry was available, the last time we heard. (615 teaser)

Yeah, unfortunately I confused it with the out-take from 625.

In my defence, both of them consist of Chandler bursting into her work kitchen to find Monica up to her tricks with another man.

Ooh, he could have built an ancient Mayan city.

Maybe, but it seemed as though she did, and omitting a fianc� is a bad omission to make.

I know, but that's to be expected. I'm thinking of "jinx" moments.

Ah, the 5-year anniversary comes in 924, (due to S6 having 25 episodes).

Really? What makes you say that, sweetie?

Thanks!

Yeah, the bastard. I wanna see Phoebe back there.

Could be.

But then, Aisha is not exactly an experienced actress, is she?

Oh, I didn't think of it like that! Maybe she has.

I wonder how far down the list she's placed Roger (709/811).

Awww...

I suspect that some of her charm is lost on you. ;)

Is that where Mr Kotter/Cotter comes from?

RPGOL!

However, a friend has told me that earlier in the episode, Charlie asked Joey if they could have a romantic dinner on the balcony, and he agreed.

So, we all missed that one!

Hmmmm... the best bulge in a guy's trousers is where his wallet is...

Yeah, good point.

And she was upset for far longer than Phoebe was.

I think that the better measure of fame is that Azaria is by far the better-known outside of their homeland.

Okay sweetie, I'm happy that you're happy. :)

PLEASE note that this is about the *first* part of the finale.

The second part of the finale will not be shown in Britain until next week, so NO SPOILERS PLEASE about what happens in the end!

Tennant

Tennant Stuart wrote:

Jeez, you guys - what was in the least bit spoilerish about this exchange that needed encoding??? For those who don't have easy access to a ROT-13 translator, here is the "spoiler" translated:

I've said this before and I'll say it again ... if you get a kick out of sending each other "coded" messages then take it to private email, and don't waste our time here.

In article , Caroline wrote:

I must confess that there was a slight error here.

The exchange *was* spoilerish to anyone who had not seen 923, hence the ROT-13. There might not have been any plot elements involved, but we also do not want to ruin the jokes for people.

However, when Marita posted the first remark in ROT-13, and I began to reply to her post, it was *before* 923 aired in Britain. By the time my completed reply was posted on Friday, it was *after* 923 aired. So yes, the ROT-13 had become unnecessary, and I didn't think to decode it.

I've said this before and I'll say it again... we do not get a kick out of sending each other "coded" messages. We are trying to protect fans around the world, who are not lucky enough to see the episodes when you do.

If in attempting to do this, we should sometimes happen to err on the side of caution, then that is exactly how it should be.

As for wasting your time Caroline, this was 5� lines of text out of a post that was 675 lines long - hardly a significant fraction; yet since then you have wasted even more of more your valuable time complaining about it.

Tennant

"Tennant Stuart" wrote in message news:[email]...

Gabe Kaplan played the title character in the 1970s sitcom _Welcome Back, Kotter_ (1975-79), about a high-school teacher who returns to his alma materto teach a group of misfits called the sweathogs; he himself had been a sweathog when he'd been a student there.

For a photo, follow the link below:

<http://www.pmpnetwork.com/gabe_kaplan/cast.jpg>

The guy in the middle--with the mustache--is Gabe Kotter, surrounded by his main sweathogs. You'll also notice John Travolta on your left. He played Vinnie Barbarino on the show.

While the reference has nothing to do with SNL, the vintage is about the same (Gilda Radner was on SNL from 1975-80).

Belphoebe

In article , "Belphoebe" wrote:

Ooh thanks Belpheebs, I've corrected the transcript now.

Hey, and Matt LeBlanc played Vinnie Verducci in "Vinnie & Bobby".

Which means that Marita Bakken was spot on, as usual. :)

I see from the IMDb that Gabe Kaplan reprised his r�le as Gabe Kotter in episode 115 of the sitcom "Mr.Rhodes" first airing on 3rd February 1997, which fell in between episodes 313 & 314 of "Friends".

Tennant

"Tennant Stuart" wrote in message news:[email]...

YW :)

Yup.

Yes--well done. :)

I never saw that program, but I've just had a look at IMDb, and it was a guy named John Kassir, and not Gabe Kaplan, who appeared as Mr. Kotter in that episode.

<http://us.imdb.com/Name?Kassir,%20John>

Belphoebe

In article , "Belphoebe" wrote:

Eep, you're quite right, sweetie.

Fancy bothering with a crossover, when one doesn't have the proper actor to do it with. This obviously confused whoever it was posted the earlier entry to the IMDb, which is what I had referred to.

This gave the information I posted above, then claimed that John Kassir appeared in that episode, playing Gabe Kaplan. Very strange.

Tennant

"Tennant Stuart" wrote in message news:[email]...

That does sound strange. The person who posted that might have been confused since both the character and the actor (in the original) were named Gabe.

Belphoebe

In article , "Belphoebe" wrote:

That could account for it.

But then, it happens in far too many US sitcoms that they keep the first name of the character to save troubling those tiny minds in the audience from having to handle a different name...

Andy 'Taylor' Griffith in "The Andy Griffith Show" Bing 'Collins' Crosby in "The Bing Crosby Show" Bob 'McKay' Newhart in "Bob" Charlie 'Crawford' Sheen & Michael J. 'Flaherty' Fox in "Spin City" Cybill 'Sheridan' Shepherd in "Cybill" Dave 'Nelson' Foley & Joe 'Garelli' Rogan in "NewsRadio" Debbie 'Thompson' Reynolds in "The Debbie Reynolds Show" Delta 'Bishop' Burke in "Delta" Don 'Robinson' Rickles in "The Don Rickles Show" Doris 'Martin' Day & Peter 'Lawrence' Lawford in "The Doris Day Show" Dudley 'Bristol' Moore in "Dudley" Ellen 'Morgan' DeGeneres in "Ellen" Fran 'Sheffield' Drescher in "The Nanny" Gabe 'Kotter' Kaplan in "Welcome Back, Kotter" Gene 'Bergman' Wilder in "Something Wilder" George 'Coleman' Wendt in "The George Wendt Show" Glynis 'Granville' Johns in "Glynis" Jenny 'McMillan' McCarthy in "Jenny" Joan 'Gallagher' Cusack in "What About Joan" Julie 'Carlisle' Andrews in "Julie" Kel 'Kimble' Mitchell & Kenan 'Rockmore' Thompson in "Kenan & Kel" Lucille 'Carter' Ball in "Here's Lucy" Madeline 'Wayne' Kahn in "Oh Madeline" Marion 'Cunningham' Ross in "Happy Days" Mary Tyler 'Richards' Moore in "The Mary Tyler Moore Show" Mickey 'Grady' Rooney in "Mickey" Nancy 'Kitteridge' Walker in "The Nancy Walker Show" Patty 'Lane' Duke in "The Patty Duke Show" Phyllis 'Pruitt' Diller in "The Pruitts of Southampton" Ray 'Barone' Romano in "Everybody Loves Raymond" Shirley 'Partridge' Jones in "The Partridge Family" Tamera 'Campbell' Mowry & Tia 'Landry' Mowry in "Sister, Sister" Tim 'Taylor' Allen in "Home Improvement" Tom 'Potter' Ewell in "The Tom Ewell Show" Tony 'Banta' Danza in "Taxi" Valerie 'Hogan' Harper in "Valerie" Woody 'Boyd' Harrelson in "Cheers"

..those are just the most famous names, out of 264 examples.

Tennant

"Tennant Stuart" wrote in message news:[email]...

[snipping list]

Funny--I always thought it was more of a slap in the face to the actor, as if it's not certain that s/he will be smart enough to answer to a different name. I remember Tony Danza making a joke about this, since his character in _Taxi_ was not originally meant to be named Tony. (He was also going to have an Irish--rather than Italian--last name, but when Danza was first cast, the plan was only to change the last name.) Then, of course, he was also "Tony" in _Who's the Boss_.

Belphoebe

Belphoebe likes to play a special version of 'Hey Jude', with 25 minutes of 'na nananana' and an extra verse that goes like this:

I am! sorry, couldn't resist that one :-)

"cookie dude" wrote in message news:3ee89a16$0$6787$[email]...

Glad we cleared *that* up. ;)

Belphoebe

In article , "Belphoebe" wrote:

Yes, you do have a point there, dear.

There's no reason why both things can't be happening.

IIRC, they made a running joke of Joe Rogan in "NewsRadio" about this.

Sure.

To keep the list short, there was only one entry per actor.

Tennant

"Tennant Stuart" wrote in message news:[email]...

Thanks. :)

I suppose not, though I'd make a distinction based on whether the character is built around a well-established persona, such as Jerry Seinfeld. But when Tony Danza was cast as Tony Banta in _Taxi_, he was unknown (so in that case there'd be no special motive to prevent confusion for an audience with no existing associations regarding the actor).

Of course, by the time he was Tony DiMeo in _The Tony Danza Show_ (1997), things were different.

Did they? My viewing of that show was spotty, I guess (at least in the latter seasons).

Oh, I wasn't trying to criticize--I just imagined you pointing that out. :)

Of course, there were a couple of others I missed (one I mentioned above; also there was "Tony Canetti" of Hudson St.). I suppose this has become a joke within the industry, too. ;)

Belphoebe

In article , "Belphoebe" wrote:

YW

Yeah, I guess so.

Ah, except that we never got that show here, while "Taxi" is still going.

Yeah, they could never remember his name.

That's because you didn't fancy Maura Tierney. :)

Okay.

If you're interested, I'll look to see if anyone beat Danza's record.

Tennant

"Tennant Stuart" wrote in message news:[email]...

[ . . . ]

Okay, I think I can live with this. :)

As promised, I'll discuss the rest. . . .

BTW, I agree with Marita that having Ross fail to have a hard copy of his speech is ridiculous. I'm so neurotic about such things that I would have had two hard copies (one in the carry-on and another in the checked luggage), one burned to CD, and a copy e-mailed to myself, in addition to the file saved on the hard drive. (Okay, now you think I'm a Monica! ;) )

Belphoebe

In article , "Belphoebe" wrote:

Fine. :)

I'll look forward to that!

You should also have a copy hidden on the net where anyone can get at it.

IIRC, you've been very Monicaish in the past also. :)

Tennant

"Tennant Stuart" wrote in message news:[email]...

Uh-oh. Now I feel it has to be a phenomenal response. The kind of phenomenal response that happns at this phenomenal moment. Where it's just gotta be one of those things where I just like . . . sweep everything off the table and throw you down on it. . . ;)

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Yes, I would definitely do that, too! ;)

Heh. Yes, though I'm not nearly so neat as she is. But I do have an older brother who misremembers our childhood.

Belphoebe

In article , "Belphoebe" wrote:

Yes! Take me! Never mind that microscope!!

BTW, the final version of the 924 review goes up *tomorrow*, and I'm still waiting to hear from you & Marita about the speech that Charlie wrote...

Right.

Eek, I'm a younger brother who true-remembers my sister's teenagehood.

Tennant

"Tennant Stuart" wrote in message news:[email]...

:)

Do you want me to respond to that version rather than the original?

and I'm still

Hey, hey, mister! If you keep with that premise, I'm *not* throwing you onto that table! ;)

Yeah, older siblings--they're just *mean*! ;)

My husband is an older brother whose gripe is having to share everything with two younger brothers who insisted on tagging along and getting in the way. My mom was an only child who never understood why we didn't just get along.

We're pretty sure we're only going to have one child!

ObFriends--and in the next generation, we've got Ben as older (half)brother to Emma. Of course, they've got a larger age difference and aren't being raised together, though. I'll bet you'd enjoy a flash-forward to see how they come out (_Friends: the Next Generation_?)

Belphoebe

Belphoebe

In article , "Belphoebe" wrote:

If you like; but please be aware that if there is anything else in the review which should then concern you, and which I would have hastened to change for you, then in all this time you'll have left it too late.

I'm not quite sure what the right answer to that is, so please assume it's whatever makes you throw me on the table. :)

Oh, yours might be, but my sisters were born 10 and 12 years before me; and the younger one was given the privilege of choosing both boy & girl names, to help prevent jealousy etc, which apparently did the trick.

Awww... I think it's a lot easier being the baby of the family.

Sure, but if the Bings adopt, their child could well be intermediate in age. (In the FtNG discussion below, I shall assume they get pregnant).

Oh yes, they'd be Ben, Frank, Lesley, Chandler, Emma, and Daniel.

If they ended up as couples, then to avoid consanguinity it would have to be FnE, so the FtNG fans would divide between the BnL/DnC shippers and the BnC/DnL shippers. I think I'd be in the first group, since it would be much more fun if Chandler's father-in-law was Chandler.

Tennant

On Fri, 06 Jun 2003 21:01:00 BST, Tennant Stuart wrote:

Hehe. I thought it was too exaggerated, but it worked with the jokes.

Qvqa'g lbh trg gung jvfu tenagrq va gur arkg rcvfbqr, gubhtu?

Really? In addition to the discount at Ralph Lauren?

Good. That means that Rachel is once again her dad's favourite daughter.

:)

He deserves it. :)

Hehe, I knew you were going to say that, so I thought I might as well include that last part.

Yeah. If you haven't learned it before, it's the first thing you learn at college. Seeing that Ross not only has a PhD, but also works at a university, it was a very unbelievable scenario.

You'd think that he'd be more focused on his speech (and his career) than free bath products.

Sounds good. :)

Four's Company?

Boring when sober.. (Fun Barry, 210) Or are you thinking about someone else?

Yeah, we don't want any of those.

Yes, that pairing seems very unlikely now.

Sounds very reasonable.

Yes, that's much better, and it should please Belphoebe as well.

Well, yes, he went to Egypt with his dad, and he likes to think of himself as Indiana Jones, so that's a possibility.

Yes, I think so too. Even though he has shared his past with others in the past (e.g. 405, 512 and 909), I can't remember him bonding about gay partners.

Maybe Charlie will be the woman who finally helps him with his insecurity.

Exactly. Ross would respect her work, and vice versa.

Yes, it's weird how this has changed. They used to have amazing chemistry, and somehow you knew they would end up together in the end. However, the last time I can remember thoroughly enjoying Ross and Rachel together is 716, and that wasn't even a romantic storyline.

I disagree, but Azaria is still a great actor. (He was great in the play.) I used to think that Phoebe should end up with David, but I don't anymore. Mike is just a better match for Phoebe IMO.

Yes, David really should go to Joey if he wants to know about pizza toppings.

Not if she cancelled her back-up.. (516)

Oh, I didn't know that.

Belphoebe beat me to it.. :)

Yes, but fortunately, Monica stopped in time, and Joey intervened.

Not if the ring is a terrible gumball-looking ring.

Ah, I see. What is it that you dislike so much about him anyway?

I've never believed in tea leaves.

I wouldn't want to see that, but in a way Chandler deserved it given his breakdown right before the wedding.

Yeah, I'm really cold and heartless, plus I just wanted David to stop stuttering. ;)

However, it's ridiculous that CC is stuck doing a story about her hair, while the love rectangle takes center stage once again.

Yes, and she shows the others that paleontologists are not necessarily old geeks like Professor Sherman.

He didn't use to be this bad. After all, he stood up against Max in 110 TOW the Monkey, and the fact that he stayed in Minsk for eight years shows an unwillingness to give up. In this scene, however, he gave up the minute Mike entered the restaurant. If Chandler had done that in 624, who knows what might have happened.

I'm so tired of it all...

That would provide them with lots of storyline-possibilities, and the gang could finally reunite in the end of season 10.

Or maybe Emma was looking for Gunther...

I can't really remember the moment I noticed it for the first time, but when I look at it now, it seems as if they thought that Emma would take the focus away from her mother's arm.

Yes, that has been obvious ever since 208. Strangely enough, Ross's total lack of respect became even more apparent when she got a great job doing what she really loves. He even seemed relieved that he wouldn't have to worry about her taste in fashion in 321.

No way! I have some self-respect. :) I was probably one of the calmest people there.

It will show some real planning from the producers if she shows up in season 10.

Yep, and it would be fun to find out what happened to him.

Ah, I see. :)

Yes, and they both ended with Monica and the other guy smiling/laughing at his actions.

Or some pyramids in Egypt.

613 TOW Rachel's Sister: Jill: Oh, Mr. Scientist has to get all technical!

No reason, only Chandler made a good impression of him later, and he hasn't spent that much time together with David. He hardly talked to him in 110, which was more than eight years ago, and he never even met him in 711. Obviously, he had met him and talked to him between 922 and 923, but how well can you know a person after a few days?

Maybe she entertains the customers at Lavender Day Spa nowadays. After all, she sang when Rachel was there.

No, she's more used to TV-work on other shows. She's going to be on NBC all summer as a judge on a new talent-show.

Hopefully, he comes before the other Roger (113).

Ah, the glory of take-out or room-service.

Lol. Yep. At least for materialistic girls like Rachel and Madonna.

Exactly. She was so desperate that only Joey could keep her away from the sperm bank. How ironic that seven years later she came dangerously close to going back to that place.

I'm not entirely convinced about that, but maybe it's different in England.

In article , [email] (Marita Bakken) wrote:

Yeah.

That's right, but I was not going to say so here.

Of course!

Yay!

Absolutely.

<warm fuzzy glow>

That's right, but then Ross isn't very practical.

Yes, one would. Maybe he expected his speech to be bad.

I'm glad you agree, for the final version of this review went up 6 days ago.

Why not?

Nope. I had to reverse it, since Professor Wheeler is not a drunkard.

Well, making a pass at Phoebe might be fun, for us guys. :)

Indeed. Some JnP fans point to Joey kissing Phoebe in 714, forgetting that this was set in S4 - as you said, Monica wore a dress from 401.

Right. Thanks.

Okay, thanks, but that still leaves me wondering what to do with 924.

It goes up tomorrow, and you haven't given me a definite pointer.

Lol, yes. :)

Absolutely, while in 405, Rachel taunted him about marrying only lesbians.

You reckon? I rather doubt that.

And she genuinely shares his appreciation of art & theatre, unlike Mona.

Quite. And I reckon that Kauffman & Crane watch this sort of thing going on (or its lack) which influences their future plotting. Chandler & Monica were supposed to last a few episodes, but their chemistry was amazing.

Quite so, though Rachel was also very good with Ben in that episode.

The purely RnR stories since then have been the following...

722 "TOW the Speeding Ticket"

803 "TOW Rachel Tells..." 813 "TOW All the Baby Names" 818 "TOW the Fake Proposal" 821 "TOW the Temptress" 822 "TOW Rachel is Late" 823 "TOW Rachel Has a Baby (1)"

903 "TOW the Pediatrician" 905 "TOW Judy and Emma" 907 "TOW Ross's Inappropriate Song" 911 "TOW Rachel Goes Back to Work" 913 "TOW Rachel & Emma Move Out"

..they were quite good in 803/823/913, but not so as to compare with 716.

Well of course, I think that Phoebe should end up with Ross.

Grin.

What? <checks> RPGOL!

Now you do. :)

Yep.

That's right, and Joey was so great in the hallway. Very scary.

Yes, but it wasn't like that, it was small but sincere.

I don't dislike him, I'd be quite happy if he married my sister.

I'm just not entertained by him as a sitcom character.

You don't have to.

Exactly.

LOL

ROSS: I don't know what she sees in... innn that goober. And it takes
      him, what? Like... like... I don't know, uhh... uhhh, hello...
      a... week, to get out a sentence.

CHANDLER: Yeah, it's annoying, isn't it?

ROSS: ... Yeah. (210)

Yew, you're right, but what counts is not what you get, but what you do with it (he said philosophically). CC made her part the centre stage.

Lol, before I got to the end of your sentence I was expecting "Geller".

David was pretty cowed by Phoebe in 110, and he might have stayed in Minsk for eight years because he was afraid of her.

No prizes for guessing who IMHO is least afraid of Phoebe.

Yeah, I totally agree.

Just sit back, put your feet up, and relax, (even if you don't have Cher).

Absolutely.

Gasp, not the real father?

Maybe, but what they should have done is written it into the script with a throwaway line, based on what really happened to the actress.

It's all bound up with item #4 on her con list, "just a waitress".

In high school, Rachel was the prom queen, and the homecoming queen, and the class president; but then she became just a waitress, and Ross could handle that. It was Joey who helped her to follow her dream.

Interestingly, of the first three items, Joey seemed to agree that Rachel is a little spoiled sometimes; but maybe like Chandler in 612 that's okay, because he likes spoiling her - is that right?

It's certainly true that being a little ditzy makes her more suited to Joey than to Ross; while Joey must like her being too into her looks.

On the other hand, #5 "chubby ankles" was Joey's contribution, and one that Rachel took great exception to, blaming it on Ross. Did she ever ever find out that line was Joey's, and if so would it matter?

Of course...

Oh, so the others were letting Matthew Perry sign their bras? ;)

Yep.

All his plugs have fallen out?

Yep.

Exactly.

Maybe, but take another look at Ross's model.

Heh-he!!!

That reminds of when Ross bested Joey in a dating contest in 717 "TOW the Cheap Wedding Dress", by bending the rules with a technicality.

Before that moment, Ross said "technically" six times, Joey said it once.

After that moment, Ross said "technically" once, Joey said it five times.

Good point, but when did Chandler do an impression of David?

Lol, maybe she'll be discovered on one of those CCTV reality shows.

Really? So is that what she's being groomed for?

Oh, she hates that guy!

Yep.

And it goes to show that when I ask these kind of questions, there really is a real answer out there, somewhere. :)

Right.

Quite, but she & Chandler could do worse than rely on their friend.

It's not that he's better known in England, it's that a better measure of fame is how far it has travelled.

Tennant

On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 18:11:07 BST, Tennant Stuart wrote:

Forgetting your keys is one thing, messing up at work is very different indeed.

I hate it when they portray Ross like this.

Should be the perfect title for a new Friends-spinoff.

Ah, gotcha now.

She's taken. :)

Yes, that was in the past.

I answered, and Belphoebe replied to my post.

That's right, and she hoped Emily was one in 418.