Friends S9-08 - give thanks for Perry

Nov 30, 2002, 1:05 PM ET184 posts by 11 posters
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Tennant Stuart

This review was first posted on Wednesday, but there has not been a single reply, even though I quickly received my own copy of it.

Hopefully, it doesn't stink; instead Usenet somehow went wrong...

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Hey, the crossed saucepan handles paid off!

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908 "TOW Rachel's Other Sister"

It's Thanksgiving, and so Chandler persuades Monica to put out the fancy china for the dinner. She's scared that a plate will be broken, but he declares there's no point in having anything which isn't used.

Meanwhile, Rachel is just getting Emma ready to go when her less than favourite sister Amy arrives unexpectedly. She is more self-centred & shallow than Rachel & Jill put together, she hasn't been in touch for over a year, and she points out that Emmet the baby will soon need a nose job like his mother once did.

However, Amy's boyfriend breaks off their date to be with his wife, so Rachel very kindly takes her over to Monica's for the dinner...

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Joey is watching the parade on TV when the DOOL float passes by - and to his horror he remembers that he was supposed to have been on it!

Since he's useless at lying to his producer, Joey gets Phoebe to teach him. She quickly comes up with the perfect lie - just say that he had a family emergency, and do not go into any details...

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At Monica's, Amy is more ditzy & ignorant than Phoebe & Joey put together - she thinks that Emma is Phoebe and her name is a funny noise, then tells Joey that he's not as pretty as he is on TV.

She suddenly has the great idea that if Rachel & Ross died, then she would get Emily the baby, who would make a great fashion accessory for her. However, Rachel & Ross want Emma to go to Monica & Chandler, who are both touched by this honour.

Amy argues about this all through dinner, since not recognising thin Monica she thinks that the baby is going to a stranger. In fact she's so annoyed that she cuts hard with her knife, so alarming Monica about her fancy plates she asks everyone to slice their food in the air!

But Amy gets Rachel & Ross to admit that if Monica died as well, then Chandler can't keep the baby since he's too soft to be a father. Ross tries to lie his way out of this difficulty, but Chandler defeats him with ruthless logic.

Yet the real reason Chandler is upset is he feels that it's true - so his wonderful wife makes him see how at Emma's conception, Rachel and Ross were far less responsible than he is. Indeed, she wants to have a child with him, because she knows he will make an amazing dad.

Ross apologises to Chandler, who confesses his feelings were hurt; but the two sisters fall into a blazing row, in which Amy reveals that the baby is not cute! This precipitates a cat-fight, during which Rachel accidentally breaks one of Monica's smaller plates.

Chandler shows that he would be an excellent father by soundly telling off both Green sisters, then making them apologise to Monica and each other. Ross is most impressed, putting Chandler on the list for Emma; while Rachel makes peace with her sibling. Amy still can't have Emmet or Emily, but she can have a 45% discount at Ralph Lauren!

In the end, Chandler clumsily knocks over the box containing all the china, breaking every plate. He tapes the box shut, hoping that Monica will never find out - but although Joey has successfully lied to his producer, he blurts out the truth to a hapless Monica.

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I quite liked this episode. It was amusing, and guest star Christina Applegate did a competent job of copying Rachel's mannerisms as Amy. However, she just doesn't possess the firepower of Reese Witherspoon, so despite having a good story she failed to set the screen alight.

Amazingly, the whole show was stolen from her by Matthew Perry, who as a put-upon Chandler, came to life in just the energetic way that I was asking for, in the lamentable 905 "TOW Phoebe's Birthday Dinner".

However, considering that this was Thanksgiving, it fell short of a grand tradition of classics such as the football, Chandler in a box, Joey's head stuck inside a turkey, Monica's kitchen knife, Rachel's beef trifle, and of course Brad Pitt (later nominated for an Emmy).

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So, at last we've met Amy Green, we can even say her name, but was she not a little disappointing? She was quite a lot like Jill - but over the years we've built up rather a different picture of her...

Amy has a very masculine energy, she is an interior decorator with a penchant for wicker, she owns a ski cabin in the Poconos, she doesn't suffer from sea-sickness - and since Jill was the spoilt one, Amy was the sister who once bit Rachel, possibly whilst torturing her. And in later life, Amy was in a relationship with Donnie Mazio, who boasted about how he'd once had sex with Rachel on the Senior Hay Ride.

As for the actress to play her, many names have been put forward by the fans, of which perhaps the most popular were Gillian Anderson, Gina Gershon, and Nicole Kidman. Instead we got Christina Applegate, who played the title r�le in another BKC production "Jesse", which explains a great deal. Of course, she came to fame as the daughter in the long-running sitcom "Married... with Children", in which her boyfriend Vinnie was played by none other than Matt LeBlanc.

Maybe we were misled by that "masculine energy" tag into expecting someone more butch; but at least Applegate is about the right age, being younger than Aniston yet older than Witherspoon.

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Why was a Thanksgiving parade playing "Jingle Bells"?

How come Joey is watching the parade? In 408 "TOW Chandler in a Box", Phoebe told Chandler that he didn't have to watch the football, since Ross & Joey weren't there, so he could watch the parade if he wanted.

Why did the "Days of Our Lives" float look like a giant turkey?

Yay, at last we have the name of Rachel's other sister! This has been the biggest most important missing name in a show which does not have a good reputation for appraising us of such details. Now, apart from a few surnames, what we most need is what Monica's middle E stands for.

Was Rachel being fair to her dim sister for not being aware that she had a baby? A year before, her pregnancy wasn't even showing. In fact their father Leonard had only just received the news - and who knows when their mother Sandra was told? So when did Jill & Amy find out?

Rachel moaned that Amy didn't come to the hospital to see her, but neither did Leonard, Sandra, and Jill. That's a shame really, would it not have been great to see all three Green sisters together?

Wasn't it fun the way that Amy didn't know who the Gellers were? To her, Ross was Rachel's fat friend's creepy brother with a bad afro, while his dorky sister followed Rachel around like a puppy dog.

But at least we now know that she is a Lincoln High Survivor, which brings the current total to an amazing 39 alumni, possibly more.

Phoebe would believe that the moon landings were faked, wouldn't she?

Any there any good examples of Joey lying? I can't think of any, it's not in his nature, just as he's the only one we've never seen drunk.

Rachel admits to Amy that Emma might inherit her real nose. Did you not wonder this when she & Ross slagged off Janice's little Aaron?

When Rachel explained that Ross was not a real doctor, he was just a PhD, what was Amy going ewww about? Did she confuse the letters with PID (Pelvic Inflammatory Disease, which is sexually transmitted)?

RnR fans must have been a little happy, since the pair of them held hands on two occasions, but that was hardly the amazingly romantic getting together that was expected for the November Sweeps, was it?

And in any case, there was far more CnM chemistry than RnR chemistry.

How did Amy manage to walk back to the front door, take off her gloves, put them in her pockets, then take off her overcoat, then her scarf, and hang them up on the hooks, in less than 2 seconds?

In fact, Amy was very fast on the loo as well, wasn't she?

What was the huge green necklace thing that Phoebe wore?

When Amy first arrives, the table is already laid out, take a look as Rachel introduces her to the gang. And when Chandler kindly pats Joey on the back, you can clearly see napkins in their holders on the plates. So, when Amy then says "Phoebe" is a funny noise, did you then notice that all the napkins had mysteriously vanished?

Now count those fancy plates, which are mostly white. There are 7 of them. So how come Monica knew in advance that an extra guest was coming to dinner? Was she expecting Mike, but he let Phoebe down at the last minute? And how come Joey got one of the expensive plates, and at what point was it swapped for a cheap brown one?

And why would Monica do this? Not only is it Chandler who is the dropper, it's Ross who typically acts the fool by mocking Monica's valid concerns (in the same way that he mocked Rachel for worrying about the baby being left alone) before almost dropping a plate.

Why did Phoebe keep yelling "Phoebe" at Amy? It was obvious that the girl didn't understand. Why didn't she say to her "My name is not Emma, that is the name of the baby, and my name is Phoebe"?

How come nobody mentions that Emily is the name of Ross's second ex-wife? Or even better, how it's Monica's middle name?

As they all sat down, how come Amy's glass had already moved itself to the centre of the table? And how come there weren't any bottles?

Why do they all act as though the last person in the world to look after Emma is Joey, even though we've seen he'd do a good job?

Monica is surprised that the others see her as being strict, but is that not how we see her too - in leather, with high heels & a whip?

Did you notice that Phoebe was the only dinner guest who dutifully cut up his/her food in the air?

It's been a long time since a sitting-on-the-step scene, hasn't it?

Why does Rachel diss Amy's plan to further her career as an interior decorator? She didn't just make over their father's office, she also worked on his condominium, and that was some years ago.

How come Rachel fights so weakly? What happened to all the martial arts training that she did with Phoebe in Season Six? If we had seen Monica fighting Janine, would that have been as pathetic? In fact, did anyone apart from Chandler think that the cat-fight was anywhere near as arousing as Monica & Rachel in 212/3 "TOA the Superbowl"?

Just before Amy said she did yoga, what did Rachel say she did?

When Chandler tips the box over, did you notice that there were only enough broken bits to make about 3 plates at most? And that the rest of the box had been padded out with something wrapped in black paper?

So, did Pheebs used to be a thief, then?

No spoilers PLEASE from anyone who has seen any future episodes.

Tennant Stuart

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wendygTennant Stuart

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Didn't show up here.

Bit of a retread, I thought.

Any of whom I thought would be wholly wrong.

I'd actually like to have seen her played by someone like Christina Ricci. Would have been very interesting to have, instead of another spoiled Long Island type, someone with such a dark energy.

Macy's T-Day parade always ends with Santa Claus. Brings in the Christmas season, dontcha know?

They're not on at the same time anyway. Macy's T-Day parade starts at 9 or 10; then there's a West Coast parade, footabll starts about 1pm, I think.

Probably about 3.2 seconds after the parents did. "Do you know what your sister is doing?!"

Maybe not for the guy doing the show's budgets.

They got big schools on LI.

Plus, that's been much in the news lately, as NASA is getting sick of the conspiracy theory.

To every woman he slept with but didn't call again?

I took it as an economic ewww. As in, doctors make a lot of money, PhDs don't.

February sweeps was my prediction.

We have? He and Chandler lost Ben on a bus!

Pilates. It's a discipline involving very slow, intense, controlled movements.

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Tennant Stuartwendyg

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Ah, good (in a way) - at least it wasn't being totally ignored.

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Indeedy, it's like they couldn't afford Reese Witherspoon.

What's wrong with them? (Bearing in mind that Amy would be different.)

Really?? Isn't she a bit too young...

Christina Ricci ....... 12 February 1980

Reese Witherspoon ........ 22 March 1976

Christina Applegate ... 25 November 1971

Jennifer Aniston ...... 11 February 1969

Gillian Anderson ......... 9 August 1968

Nicole Kidman ............. 20 June 1967

  Gina Gershon .............. 10 June 1962

Marlo Thomas .......... 21 November 1937

I agree that would indeed be interesting, and if Miss Ricci were older she would indeed be great. However, Amy must be older than that (for there is already an embarrassing gap with the actress playing her mother); and it seems to me that Miss Anderson could also portray a dark energy, combined with a masculine energy.]

Unfortunately for all this, it does seem inevitable that three spoilt girls raised on Long Island would turn out like that, and the "masculine energy" took a knock in Season 6 when we heard that Doctor Green was most proud of Rachel, which made me change my mind that Amy was the oldest sister.

OIC - so it's really a Christmas parade these days?

Oh!! Good point, I didn't realise that, thanks Wendy.

So, what parade would it have been in 408 "TOW Chandler in a Box"?

Lol, yes. So when did Sandra find out?

Okay, but how much do those big movie stars cost? (George Clooney, Charlton Heston, Sean Penn, Brad Pitt, Denise Richards, Julia Roberts, Winona Ryder, Susan Sarandon, Charlie Sheen, Brooke Shields, Kathleen Turner, Jean-Claude Van Damme, and Bruce Willis.) Any one of those must have cost more than Misses Witherspoon & Applegate together.

Exactly!

My favourite 'clue' is that the whole thing must have been faked in a movie studio, since the Stars & Stripes is flapping in a breeze... ;)

Have we actually seen him doing this, though?

We've seen Chandler doing it.

Oh. It sounded more disgusted to me.

Lol, that's what they all say now... ;)

Well, for starters that shows he's no worse than Chandler; nor Phoebe who has also misplaced a baby while she was distracted. Joey has never banged a baby on the head, unlike Monica. He doesn't hold a baby like an unexploded bomb, which is how Rachel did it. He hasn't let a baby swallow Scrabble tiles, which Ross did (okay it was Marcel but it made Ross fear he'd be a bad father); and he hasn't left a baby all alone in a locked apartment like Ross did. And on top of all that, Joey has a great deal of practical experience with all his nieces & nephews.

Pilates? OIC, it's pronounced "pill arties", not "pie lates".

Thanks, Wendy! :)

Tennant

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PeterTennant Stuart

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girls

*That's* your big clue for their birth order? Why can he not be most proud of his middle child? First-borns can be f*ck-ups, too.

No, it's pronounced "pih-LAH-tees" (though I guess you meant the "R" to be unvoiced, UK style).

Belphoebe

Tennant StuartPeter

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BTW, did you notice the absence of uk.media.tv.us-sitcoms?

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You missed the point (which was better made elsewhere) that we thought that Amy was the oldest since she had a career while Rachel was 'just' a waitress, and owned a ski-lodge while Rachel was 'just' a roomie. So that means that Amy wasn't a fuck-up, and since Dr.Green was most proud of Rachel, no fuck-up either, that meant she had to be the first born.

Anyway, Marita explains it a lot better than me. :)

Well, I would, wouldn't I?

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I'm sorry, but this makes no sense to me. . . .

Sure, but not every reader of your post would necessarily realize that. Some might think you mean "pill-arrrrrrr-ties." Reminds me when you rendered "kama sutra" as "karma sutra"; to you, there'd by no difference in pronunciation.

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Oh, well.

That is so.

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PeterTennant Stuart

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Whoops, I meant to respond to this. Yes--thanks! :)

Belphoebe

Tennant StuartPeter

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See, I do listen, Belphoebe. :)

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Awww, shucks! :)

Belphoebe

Paul HyettTennant Stuart

In alt.tv.friends on Mon, 2 Dec 2002 at 18:20:43, Tennant Stuart wrote :

Should I have?

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Tennant StuartPaul Hyett

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Belphoebe (and presumably other people too) was having a big problem where her ISP banned posts that contained uk.media.tv.us-sitcoms in the header.

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In uk.media.tv.friends on Sat, 22 Feb 2003 at 17:39:51, Tennant Stuart wrote :

Actually *banned* it, rather than simply not carrying it?

How dare an ISP ban my lovely newsgroup! :)

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I might not have all the techie details right.

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wendygTennant Stuart

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Personal taste, I guess.

Ricci is, I think, capable, of portraying a character older than she actually is. Although I agree, she'd seem more like the youngest sister. She'd be fascinating to turn up, though -- maybe as the dark vampire type half-sister Phoebe didn't know she and Ursula had.

Dunno. I've known a lot of people from LI, and they *don't* all come out like that. It would be equally possible that Amy would be a truly high-powered stockbroker/financial manager who...hang on, was just as spoiled and demanding but whose center-of-the-universe instincts had been bolstered by years of success in business and the resulting sycophants. Actually, this is an interesting idea, thinking about it. Then if Amy started demanding the baby, she'd be doing so from a sense of entitlement that included considerable wealth -- but a totally absent single parent. Much stronger storyline then. Plus, it would be quite interesting to see such a character dishevel into the child she once was. Plus, you'd have your "masculine energy" with the behavior she learned to deal with traders, which is still a very male-dominated profession. Plus, she could boast the glamor of managing the fortunes of various Hollywood and sports stars...

No, it's a Thanskgiving Day parade which *ushers in* Christmas. It's always been that way, since I was a child (b. 1954).

No way to tell. There actually are a lot of them. But as they are in NYC, I would expect them to be watching the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade, which starts somewhere at the top of Central Park and wanders south to the Times Square Macy's. There are TV cameras all along the route, but I believe they show the band performances and stuff in front of Macy's. It was originally of course publicity for the store, but now it's more of an Event.

Probably about 3.2 seconds after Rachel's father did. "Do you know what *your daughter* is doing??!"

Than Applegate, but not necessarily Witherspoon. She was pretty well known (though not at her current level) by the time she appeared on Friends.

Saw an explanation of this this week: the astronauts apparently extended a rod to hold the top of the flag up so it wouldn't droop utterly, and they deliberately didn't stretch out the flag all the way so it would look like it was in a breeze.

No, we usually just see him looking uncomfortable when x woman's name is mentioned or hiding behind a coatstand. In any event, though, I bet he doesn't make his lack of intentions clear when he gets them into bed.

Well, I guess there was also an implication that a PhD would be an obsessive geek.

Yes, but it was always my prediction. Either February or a last-minute thing in May. Or not at all this year if they decide on a tenth season.

I agree with that. But if I were picking a guardian for a child I'd still want to pick a couple, and I was surprised R&R didn't simply say that raising a child is tough for any single parent, and that they'd be concerned it would be too tough a job for a single Chandler trying to hold down his working hours (particularly in Oklahoma!).

Yes, that's right. Or as an American would orthograph it, "Pill-ah-tees"

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Fair enough.

Okay.

Or she could be Joey's daughter.

Hmmmm... go on.

You put your case very well, Wendy. Okay, I'd like to see that too! :)

Lol, ushers in. Nice distinction.

Yeah, but you said that Macy's parade starts at 9 or 10; then there's a West Coast parade, and then the football starts about 1pm. So if Chandler had the football on TV, he couldn't change channels to Macy's parade.

You do know that they've been divorced for many years, don't you?

And that it was so not an amicable separation?

Maybe, but many of those names are far bigger than Witherspoon's.

For sure, in fact it's my guess that it was that foolish piece of attempted similitude that caused the whole silly fiasco.

What, you mean that every woman he's slept with somehow fell under the impression that they were going to get married? Would they want that?

Really???

Ah.

I agree with you about the couple thing, but as you say, Rachel & Ross were considering singletons.

Yap. :)

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wendygTennant Stuart

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Not that many years. And the fact that it wasn't an amicable separation is even more reason why they'd blame each other.

wg

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They've been divorced for seven years, which is much longer than any of the six friends have been married; and while I don't doubt the blame factor, it's unlikely that they get on the phone to each other as soon as they hear any piece of news about their daughters, good or bad.

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How time flies. Even so. This is HUGE news about one of their daughters, and if there *were* a time they'd call each other pronto, this would be it.

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Yeah.

You reckon? Even though they had to be so vigorously kept apart in 222?

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wendygTennant Stuart

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Time passes. My sister and her husband had an extremely bitter divorce 27 years ago but they get along fine now.

Anyway, I was only lobbing a possible explanaation for how Sandra found out. But first grandkid is a very big deal even for separated parents, and single...

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Okay, fair enough.

Right Wendy, you've convinced me. :)

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It probably wasn't Usenet itself, but some minor part of it, like your ISPs NNTP server.

... until the Queen finally stops cancelling on them.

I wondered before: Is this some allusion to JA having had one?

And a good movie out of her life.

She's all about the fun.

and that Ross won't get Joey in case he died. Is that answering you question who was Joey's best friend / caretaker? Did the comments on Joey not fit your image of him, or was there no particular reason for not mentioning them?

One of hers.

I don't remember all of the lyrics, but isn't it more a winter than christmas song? It's late November already.

Perhaps his interest has grown from dull to duller. Also it's Chandlers apartment and tv.

I'm not sure we saw it, i.e. the one we saw was the one from "Days".

I'm pretty sure it's neither Emma nor Emily.

We don't know that.

It was. I was surprised that neither Ross nor Rachel instantly insisted that they weren't dating, when Amy implied they did, but that's probably because the other clarification concerned Ross more.

Why should she have gone to a different school than her sister?

Many people do, not only stupid hippies. Me excluded.

I'm pretty sure I remember him trying to, just like with the racoon, but not clearly.

Not drunk, but drinking, e.g. orange juice past best before date and green melon stuff.

It's not a real doctor in Barbie world.

Looked cute indeed, not that it verified anything. They also sat next to each other on the table, which they IIRC didn't in the 3rd season Thanksgiving episode. (Why do I notice such unimportant details?)

I can only speak for myself: I did expect it for 901 or the 200th, not the November sweeps.

Too far, Tennant, too far! ;)

(Just learned a new word.) Yes, I noticed that, too, and thought she was just washing her hands or something, but why didn't she do it across the street?

Reminded me of some scifi gimmick.

I was for he doesn't have a family he could stay with any more.

Valid? Dishes are made to be broken. Why (and when) are they called like an Asian country anyway?

It was one of the few times they looked like siblings. Or longly weds for the other pairing.

Far too easy for a sitcom.

Or the name Ross once upon a time wanted for his daughter.

Classic "It needs two, a father and a mother" attitude. Joey needed a partner even more than Chandler.

Just to underline her coment about Monica.

Two projects in several years isn't that much of a career, also Rachel knows her better than we do.

They should have taken a different take anyway, because JA correcting her hair didn't fit into the scene.

Somebody here said "Pilades".

Life in the streets ain't easy ...

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You mean it sent my review back to me, but didn't send it onwards?

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Hah. :)

I dunno, I heard somewhere that LK had, but that might just be gossip.

Certainly, we know that both Rachel & Mindy had them.

Ross too, probably.

Well, that's what she thought, but Chandler's was better. :)

Hehe, that's our girl!

Well, apart from being those comments being excessively patronising, there's a great deal of each episode left out, to keep things short.

Yep. Was he her last boyfriend, or just one of the later ones?

It's about a one-horse open sleigh, but in Britain at least the song is more closely associated with Santa's nine-reindeer job. As for any snow, over here that's usually one Tuesday afternoon in February.

How do you mean?

Well, apart from the fact that it's Monica's apartment and TV, that's never stopped the others before.

You think the announcer was not talking about the float on the screen?

Yeah. Probably.

Indeed so, but we didn't see that or hear about it.

Yes, thus the writers neatly avoided giving anything away.

Oh, she was always assumed to be a LHS, we just found out for sure.

Yeah, as if the Russians at the height of the Cold War wouldn't loudly expose any attempt to fake the whole thing.

Me neither.

That's right - drinking, but not drunk.

LOL! Quite.

That's because Ross was lying on top of his sister at the time.

Ooh. I love such unimportant details, so just to encourage you, what was the seating arrangement (from camera left around the back of the table to camera right) at each dinner through the years?

S2 just mentioned Thanksgiving recipes, and IIRC S9 was P-K-R-C-M-Amy-J, (using K for Karen since R is Ross), and they didn't sit around the table in S3 or S5, so that only leaves five for you to do... :)

Lol, everyone denies it now... (just teasing)

They were wonderful. Chandler was really on form, and Monica was so completely on love with him. And without any sex-dangling going on.

It's a good word. Neat, yet direct.

The British "little boy's room" just causes confusion, while an awful lot of American bathrooms are rooms without a bath.

I don't know. She also communicated with Monica particularly quickly and efficiently, something she was unable to do in her other conversations.

Oh yes?

Has he been disinherited?

Well, there goes *your* invitation to dinner! ;)

Because china was invented in China.

Why was the American bird they were eating named after an Asian country?

Sorry Christoph, exactly which couples are you talking about, here?

People can be direct in sitcoms, it merely requires better writing.

Exactly! Good point.

That's an even better point, but they didn't put it like that.

Oh. :(

Yes, but she could also be far more supportive than we are.

Lol, where exactly did that happen?

Ah, Wendy said it was "Pilates".

Indeed not, Christoph. Poor Phoebe.

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*Tennant Stuart* :

If it's posted onto a server it can be fetched from that server, but it happens that the server erroneously doesn't send posts further. Few weeks ago my university's server wasn't allowed to post anything anywhere, but we still got all the news from all the world.

Sure, just teasing. After all any review is subjective, consciously or not.

According to IMDb on episodes 5.17, 5.20 and 6.9, all firstly aired throughout 1991; MwC ran from 1987 till 1997.

�Que? Valentine's Day?

Watching American football is dull, but watching a parade is even duller. As I've never seen any of those I'm taking the comparison between (real) football and "Rosenmontagsumz�ge" (Shrove Monday parade) for equal.

Isn't it actually still her grandmother's? I guess they're both contibuting to the rent.

Things can change, or there were commercials on other channels, or Joey likes balloons better than sweating men, or, or his story wouldn't have worked else.

Did we see the screen while he talked? If so I take back that comment.

[Could as well be any unverified fact, thus I snipped the actual one.]

Exactly, and that's reason enough to not state otherwise, IMHO.

Yeah, I'm enjoying the "How close are they really?" atmosphere more with every episode. But that's probably just me.

If I wasn't already tired of it from the last time, I'd prove you that a good conspiracy can deal with any fact, just a hint: There's nothing like Russians. Or Americans.

I *really* have to work on a lecture about "Information Processing by Dynamical Interaction of Oscillatory Modes in Coupled Cortical Networks". In fact, I should be right now.

Then it's an image from a different season in my mind.

Isn't it awful that so many people are going to "wash their hands", but don't afterwards?

Yeah, some alien had some thing like this on its forehead lately. Don't remember which film or series, though.

I thought after the dinner with Phoebe, Bitsy and Theo, he'd celebrate Thanksgiving with her instead of his parents.

It's partly European. And what does it have to do with PCs? (Don't try to answer if your German isn't pretty good.) And why is a hamburger not necessarily from Hamburg?

I thought Ross and Monica behaved like real siblings (like they did in TOW the Football), which they rarely do. Ross and Rachel in TOW Phoebe's Borthday Dinner were more like a married couple. Yes, you may disagree on that.

I'm with no-one as honestly and harshly critical as with my brothers.

Not really correcting, but she waved her head during the fight so you could see her face better. Do that in a fight against on e of the Klitschko brothers and you're dead.

So did the somebody, I just misquoted.

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Have you been smoking in the backyard again? :) Seriously, how do you get from Turkey (Truthahn) to PCs?

Because then our local McDonalds would have to come up with a new slogan (it's been "Skandal! Hamburger isst Hamburger" for ages)

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Yes, you're right Christoph. Since then, there's been a report on my ISP's own newsgroup, saying that their own servers worked fine, but one blew up on the Pipex UK backbone that they're connected to, and a lot of posts got 'lost', except that they expect Pipex to retrieve them from back-up.

Weird. In future, I'll check with Google to see that a new review of mine really has gone out across the planet.

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Of course. :)

Ah. So the answer would be "no", then. :)

So how come he got his own spin-off series?

Lol, with a bit of luck!

You could recycle a Christmas card as long there's no Santa on it.

You should come to Southwest England, where we have far better parades.

Of course. How come you have Shrove Tuesday a day early?

Lol yes (I love it when people are more pernickety than me).

Monica may not see it that way, if Rachel's experience was anything to go by - though of course a hubby ain't a roomie.

I prefer the 'Joey likes balloons better than sweating men' theory. :)

Okay.

Ah. I can always hit the UNSNIP button for you, if you like.

Whatever (that record is on at the mo).

To me it's a 'Just forget that the question ever arose' atmosphere.

They're both being run by the flying saucer aliens?

Maybe you should, though "Cortical" makes that sound interesting.

Must be.

Eek! Good point. My fave is "I'm just going to turn the bike around".

Ah. Anyone?

Absolutely. They can always go to Puerto Rico, or skiing in Vail.

That's right, but I didn't want it to sound like more than one country.

Ich spreche nur ein bi�chen.

Because it's not a beefburger?

Oh yes? You're talking about 908, yes? In what ways were they behaving like real siblings? (I'm not disagreeing, I'm just interested).

Oh, I agree that they act like a married couple, but a couple that's been together for many years, so it's all very casual & unexciting.

As long as criticism is honest, and also constructive, that's fine.

Lol, what a professional!

That reminds me of Cecilia Monroe, in 715.

Who?

Oh good, I shan't fret, then.

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by Oasis? Ha! They pulled off another one of their legendary hotel visits in Munich. This is so hilarious, especially how the German media makes up stuff to make them look bad, when there are enough facts to show how mad they are... LOL

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No, I think it's Liam Lynch, "United States of Forever".

What did they do?

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In alt.tv.friends on Mon, 2 Dec 2002 at 17:58:22, Tennant Stuart wrote :

Did you know this the first time I've even had a hint of what part of the country you live in!

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Well, my dear fellow, you obviously haven't been paying attention. :)

I've said so on many occasions (most recently in my 901 thread) and it isn't in SW England. In fact, not long ago I used to live just down the road from Andr� Knoche...

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The nose thing is usually an artifcat of Jewish extraction, and Aniston is Greek, so I'd be surprised if she "needed" one.

Yes. But comparatively rare for men to have their noses done; it's much much more of a female thing. In any event, we know Monica didn't have one (since she'd have mentioned it or it would have turned up in the prom video), and if she didn't "need" one, much less likely that Ross had the characteristic bump these operations are usually designed to remove.

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I dunno, lots of people have big noses.

Except that Ross had his nose broken by Monica's grandma elbow.

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In alt.tv.friends on Sat, 30 Nov 2002 at 22:59:57, Christoph P�per wrote :

Check out TOW the Prom Video.

I've always thought it would be Elizabeth.

Except to almost all of his dates?

Lack of jello? :)

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Now that everyone's overdosed on Teletubbies, Tennant Stuart had a cracker and said:

we'll see about that... However you might want to do something about your usenet access, there was a period when a lot of posts didn't get through to you like half a year ago IIRC. And how come you never bothered replying to my post in the 907 thread? Or did that not get through either?

And you immediately knew it was gonna get destroyed before the episode was over, didn't you?

What was with all the knocking on the table? They looked dumb enough to be outtakes from the support group scenes in Fight Club (or is that just me, having seen that movie way too often?)

Fits in very well with the cartoonish writing this year

*who* gets ideas like this while going to the bog?

that was a beautiful scene, including the joke at the end, where Amy says "that guy??"

To have a guy like Chandler as a father must be so much fun, don't ya think?

And weren't you happy to learn the condom was five years old and what kind of wine they had that night?

but he still doesn't get Joey, or does he? :)

That was the moment when Ross stepped in, wasn't it? Another scene that reminded me of the support groups in Fight Club

It's always fun, when Joey and Chandler get each other in trouble

Why would one not like it?

No one really stood out for me in this one, a very good team effort methinks

Tell me about it. I just watched TOW all the poker again the other day... Just imagine something like that came along in S9 and how much it would stand out

Maybe that is because you're the only one who cares? :P

and he didn't even go all weird when she kept going on about it!

Of course

How about earlier this year, when he sees that girl in CP and says he normally doesn't ask out girls he meets in a coffee house? And by the way Gunther reacts when he hear this, it is obvious Joey is lieing.

Just how shallow is Rachel? "My daughter might need a nose job, if it doesn't look the way I'd like it to"

Remember TOW the tea leaves? "You might be interested to know that I have a PhD, a pretty huge ..."

Well, they made me laugh, but for very weird reasons. As I've mentioned before, they seemed like a Fight Club outtake to me in this episode :)

Schadenfreude?

Maybe because their story about Chandler's insecurity was more important?

And what's a mic doing hanging on Ross' ceiling? (http://www.always-friends.de/news/news244.jpg)

Who wouldn't have made fun of Rachel in that situation?

Because Phoebe didn't get it (that Amy didn't understand Phoebe was called Phoebe and not Emma). She's slow with this kind of things as well

I wondered that too, especially when Rachel said it.

When did he look after a baby? The only time I can think of, he used Ben to chat up girls and ended up forgetting him on a bus

only in your SM fantasies...

Last one I can remember is from S4, Emily's good bye party. Or maybe TOW the cheescakes, where Joey sat on the step in the end :)

You thought that was arousing?

Seeing as 909 airs on 05/12, I'd be very surprised if someone has already seen future episodes

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In article , "Cookie Dude" wrote:

That cleared itself up after a while, with all the missing posts turning up like long-lost sheep. There is nothing pending in the 901, 902 & 904 threads, so if anyone is waiting for replies there, please let me know.

I would never not bother to reply Andr�, but there are still 15 posts which I haven't had a chance to get around to yet, and yours is one of them. OTOH, this the 47th of your S9 posts that I have replied to.

Nope, it's here - posted at 19:54 on 22nd November. Marita Bakken has been waiting for one since the 13th, Christoph P�per since the 9th.

I'm sorry about any delay folks, but I have replied to 235 posts in these S9 threads, which I reckon is quite a lot actually...

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Of course! It's Chekhov's Pistol.

They weren't knocking on the table, they were knocking on wood.

Rachel had just supposed the death of Ross & herself, so they were scaring away all the evil spirits who might take up the offer.

It's all part of pagan forest worship, like Christmas is.

As long as Cookie Dude doesn't beat up Andr� Knoche, you're fine. :)

Yap. Sigh.

I don't know about you, but I think so much more clearly with my arse out in the fresh air. Well, freshish...

Absolutely, although at that point, Amy didn't even know who Monica was.

Yeah, I think so. We've known it since he held Chandler in his arms.

Of course!

Merlot is what Rachel drank on the plane to Athens. Good continuity...

..and Ross didn't use the condom since the apartment was so filthy.

No, but I must say that I felt that was very patronising.

Lol, and Ross isn't getting much sleep at the moment... :)

Oh yes.

Indeed, but I didn't like it a lot.

Really? I felt that Joey & Phoebe were underused, and for a guest star, Amy failed to dominate as she might have done.

Ah well, I awarded TOWATP five stars, nothing in S9 has been that good.

Have you seen the uncut version? There's a lot more Aunt Iris in it...

IRIS: How much did they take from you?

RACHEL: I don't know, like 30 bucks.

PHOEBE: Yeah.

IRIS: You know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna give you that money back.

GIRLS: Really?

IRIS: No, I am bluffing! You guys haven't learned CRAP!

Oh. Sob.

Good for him!

Yeah, despite Kettering Grammar school in England, which was able to pick up many of the astronauts' radio broadcasts from the moon.

Lol yes, but he didn't say that he never did. :)

Absolutely.

I was wondering if someone would bring that up. :)

ROSS: Rachel was like that cut on the roof of your mouth that would go away if you'd stop tonguing it, but you can't.

I call it like I see it, Andr�.

That's right, it was.

Lol, Joanna is bugging Rcahel...

Joey.

He'd have opened the door for her.

Yeah, you might have a point there...

Yep, someone should have blurted it out.

JOEY: I have seven Catholic sisters. I've taken care of hundreds of kids.

So did Chandler, and here he was lauded as first class father material.

All six of them have had their bad parenting moments.

Grin.

Hmmm... me too. There most be more since.

That doesn't count...

It has to be two people in a heart-searching moment.

No.

I ain't takin'�no chances, nohow.

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*Tennant Stuart* :

Actually, unlike real life, I'm not waiting for replies in Usenet from anyone. I'm glad if there's one, but won't bother much otherwise.

"Those Germans have a word for everything." - Homer Simpson. Actually we don't.

[No spoiler if you don't know the episode:]

It was more important for her to be told off than having the door opened by a non-peachy manly shoulder *on a long term*, methinks.

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Fair enough, but in any case I replied to both of them yesterday.

My favourite (and longest) German word is for the sex education officer at a cat food factory, which is two letters longer if she's a woman.

That's okay, you can spoil any TV show except "Friends" and "Coupling".

Methinks narry.

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Bad choice of words from my side. My guess was that it didn't get through. But you take your time, I'm gonna be around at least until the final episode airs :)

But there are no pagan altars.... (117 methinks)

Um, that's not happened so far, but I've killed two mice over the two last days, does that count?

As long as you stay away from the older stuff, you won't notice how bad the writing is and you'll find the episodes very entertaining.

*too* graphic description on your part there. And also, you think about your brother's or sister's children and how you'd raise them, should your brother's or sister's die?

I was more thinking of all the silly little jokes he's gonna tell, but whatever works for you

... and people say they don't pay attention to continuity when it matters :)

But then again, he eats five times a day, so it's probably better for Ross not to have to take care of him as well

As long as he doesn't meet a girl in a testicular cancer group, he'll be fine

With all the recent talk about TOW the baby on the bus, I can't seem to stop thinking about "what kind of scary ass clowns came to your birthday?" lol

But they do not have unlimited screen time and I imagine it to be rather difficult to write a funny story about how to successfully lie to someone... For those writers anyway

It's one of those undisputed classics, isn't it? A lot of people rank 302 very highly, while a lot of others don't. But 118 is like the undisputed king :)

Yup, I have the Best of Set. More importantly it features the scene with Joey, Ross and Chandler dancing around in Ross' old apartment

But he implied that if at all he rarely did it, which going by Gunther's reaction, isn't true

Do you think there's another explanation?

First rule of Ross club: you do not talk about Rachel Second rule of Ross club: you DO NOT talk about Rachel..... :)

Who's Rcahel? :) btw, there were two other minor mistakes in the original review, in one case you wrote "any" instead of "are" IIRC and the other one I can't remember

Methinks, if Joey had been Ross in that situation he would have agreed to Rachel staying with Emma and gone to Phoebe's on his own

Probably on the DVDs, where Helen Baxendale appears as a ghost coming through the ceiling :)

Have we seen him take care of any of them?

Never denied that

That's what I think as well. But the stairs were more of an R+R thing, weren't they? Chandler and Monica preferred to solve their issues inside the apartment

I ain't taking sweets from strangers....

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Okay, no worries. :)

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That's right, and no piles of bones in the corners either.

As long as you don't have sheep in the wainscotting, you're fine. :)

Yep, although for me, "older stuff" includes S8.

Hehe.

CHANDLER: That's too much information!! (111)

Already have. They're my sister's children, 2 of her 5 brothers-in-law are married millionaires, and I'm not, so it was no contest. :(

I doubt sarcasm works on babies, and my example was his turning point; but as you say, whatever works for you.

Absolutely. :)

Yeah, but Chandler's wife washes the toilet 17 times a day.

Lol, you said that about the penis model thing in 906! :)

What were all the other support groups? One was lukaemia, yes?

Yes, that was a funny line, since it wasn't overly sarcastic. Of course, what Joey meant to say was "ducks is tails, because ducks have tails".

Check out 302 "TOW No-one's Ready" for how to get the balance right.

Fair point, though my issue was not the script, but Perry's performance.

So do I - this is my list, so far...

114 "TOW the Candy Hearts" 116/7 "TOW Two Parts" 118 "TOW All the Poker"

207 "TOW Ross Finds Out" 212/3 "TOA the Superbowl" 214 "TOW the Prom Video" 222 "TOW the Two Parties"

302 "TOW No-one's Ready" 306 "TOW the Flashback" 309 "TOW the Football" 310 "TOW Rachel Quits"

412 "TOW the Embryos"

508 "TOW the Thanksgiving Flashbacks" 514 "TOW Everyone Finds Out"

624/5 "TOW the Proposal"

706 "TOW the Nap Partners" 715 "TOW Joey's New Brain" 716 "TOW the Truth about London"

809 "TOW the Rumor"

I'm afraid 118 will have to remain a prince, for me the king is 514.

Indeedy, plus the resum� line going backwards, Ross & Chandler's rolled-up newspaper contest, Monica raising to a pair of fives, and the very surreal account of cousin Nathan thinking he's a man trapped in a woman's body.

Gunther's biased!

My theory was PID, but all the girls tell me that Amy adversely reacted to Ross not being a proper doctor, so they must be right. :)

Exactly.

hehe

What? <checks> Oh yes, you're right. Thanks. Now put right.

Aaargh. Please try...

No he wouldn't. Joey would have stayed behind and insisted that Rachel went, not just because he has always put her & the baby first, but also because he wasn't too keen of going out on a spooky night anyway.

Yay!

Lol, that's my line. :)

Well, then.

Hardly, since we've just seen a CnM scene, and one of the best was Chandler & Rachel in 222 "TOW the Two Parties".

Good boy!

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*phew* last one...

compared to S8, I only see how good the show has become again

Umm, but neither Ross nor Joey will ever have sex with Joey methinks - or enjoy it as much as Chandler does with Monica

There were tons. There's the ones you can see in the ads he screens, then there's the ones mentioned in the movie, and there are some mentioned in the book, but not mentioned in the movie methinks. So off the top of my head:

brain parasites ascending bowel cancer blood parasites lymphoma tuberculosis organic brain dementia

ok, I cheated, the first four were off the top of my head, the rest I looked up in the script (http://tinyurl.com/3aoa), but only because I knew there was something else with brain in there and I couldn't think of the name. Lukaemia wasn't mentioned in the film at all, might have been in the book though. One of the ads you can see in the movie is for Alcoholics Anonymous - and with that I'm done (You're making me want to watch it again!)

Whatever... It made me ROFLMAO, so I don't care

You can't compare a random episode to one of the best eps ever ;)

I don't remember this detailed enough to make a final judgement, but I most definitely remember the Chandler & Joey & Janice thing and that was worth 4 stars alone

Good, but I'd give it 4 stars

no question

yeah, Monica and Chandler's fitness stuff was fun - and Chandler really stood his ground against her, unlike ever since S5

I'd give that 3 stars going by my memory, maybe this will change once I get around to it again. Didn't care much for the Marcel thing. And JCVD.... ugh

3 stars, definitely not more. Most of that episode was so awful and then there's the lobster thing

yeah, that was a good one, not as good as 118 or 207 though. So I'll say 4 stars

of course

3 stars from me

3 stars

don't know if I think of the right episode here. It's the one with my name in it, right? If so, I'd give it 3 stars

Yeah, the apartment moving thing is a classic. I'd rate a lot S4 higher than you do apparently

4 stars

3 stars. I don't like this episode all that much

2 stars. baah. The Richard thing was dumb, the boat thing was even dumber and a new word has to be invented to describe how dumb the resolution to the Ross and Elizabeth thing was

4 stars. The title plot was good, the rest wasn't that memorable. To prove my point, I watched it last week and can't remember what the hell the others did

don't know about this one, only saw it once and that was over half a year ago

see 715, plus I only ever saw the version that was on European TV

I'd give it 3.5 to 4 stars

For me 514 is more like a failed jester

Towards Joey as well?

I stand firm on the explanation offered by 817

I've thought about it and decided to switch Rachel for the word marriage. Let's see if I can adapt some of the other rules....

3rd rule - somebody says "I do", asks you to marry her or hands you a ring, you leg it out of there 5th rule - only one marriage at a time 7th rule - marriages don't go on too long 8th and final rule - if this is your first night at Ross club, you have to be divorced

couldn't think of anything for #4 and #6

Your spell checker must have corrected it before you read it, originally it read R C A H E L

But also Joey usually doesn't try to make his friends do something they don't want to and Rachel wanted to stay at home

beat ya with your own weapons.... mwahahaha

I know about the scene in 222, but I was only comparing the major couples on the show, and while a lot of R+R stuff happened on the stairs, while there were hardly any C+M stories "out there"

not always....

btw: I've seen 909 now and I think, you're really gonna enjoy one of the stories, not to sure what you'll make of the other two. I liked it, but that's hardly surprising this season.....

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You're really liking S9 that much?

You don't think that Joey ever has sex with Joey?

Gosh.

Hah!

Never. That's the only one I remember, and I haven't read the book.

My pleasure. :)

Okay.

I can if I want, and 302 showed how to give everyone a go.

Well quite, but there was also a moving love story for Ross & Carol, and the three girls were on top form as they burnt old boyfriends.

If you like, but this two-parter was packed with stunning set pieces.

Indeed.

And when I talk about Ross & Rachel chemistry, this is what I mean.

Yeah, to the point of cruelty.

And when Rachel flung the phone in the ice bucket I fell off the chair.

But the cat-fights...

Well, the lobster thing wasn't annoying back then, only when they'd been split up for good, and RnR fans kept bringing it up. Back then we all loved this episode so much because Ross & Rachel got together.

And I love flashback episodes, and the Best Buds were on top form.

There are 42 seconds - I counted then - where this episode is not 100% pure undiluted comedy, a bold confident door-swinging farce that works.

Okay.

See what I said above about flashbacks.

Plus we had Joey & Monica scenes, then Chandler & Rachel scenes!!

Falls off chair.

How can you?

The greatest physical comedy ever?

Yep.

Gosh, three - count them - three A stories, any of which you could put with a couple of fillers and still come up with a good episode.

I rated nine S4 episodes as 4 stars, which isn't too bad.

But yes, for me 412 was the perfect episode which could never be bettered.

You don't like flashbacks, do you?

Plus one of the funniest stunts ever, Joey with a turkey on his head.

I laughed so much at this brilliant episode that my sides ached, my stomach was cramped, and my cheeks stung from the tears. If my rating system went up to 6 stars, then this would get it.

Awww... no emotional investment in the characters, then?

What? The girls competing to be Maid of Honour?

And Monica so cute she should be on a stick?

Two words: Susan Sarandon.

Third word: bagpipes.

Poor you, they slashed it. :(

And you're a Brad Pitt fan??

Plus Monica was adorable, and for once Ross & Rachel were on form.

Thrrrpppptt!

Towards Rachel.

Qu�?
Lol...

Well, that's what Rachel & Joshua did.

We suspect Phoebe broke this one.

Unless you're Jack & Judy.

Or what Phoebe insists on calling the Sad Men's Club

4th rule - only two guys to a girl (122, 315)

6th rule - no bra, no panties (121, 302)

ROTFL, that's how I type the name, and I got fed up with having to correct it, so that (and the apostrophe-S) are in the spell checker, and then it's automatically put right by the outbox reformatter.

It does that with other words as well, such as T H N A K.

Well, on that hangs the question of what Rachel really wanted to do.

My boy's all grown up! (823)

Well, Chandler & Rachel would be a major couple if I had my way. <pout>

Eep.

Okay Andr�, save it for my review, okay? :)

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Now that everyone's overdosed on Teletubbies, Tennant Stuart had a cracker and said:

No, I liked S8 so little. Bear in mind that unlike Americans I have to go through the pain of downloading all the episodes, which can take quite a bit of time. This was especially bad since I was on ISDN during all of S8, so even if it all were to work in my favour I still would have needed 2-3 hrs to get an episode. The maing thing I'm looking for on Friends is comedy and not all the drama. So I was often disappointed with the episodes, especially in the last third of the season, when there were numerous off weeks between new episodes, which meant the wait was even longer

Now what medication was I on when I wrote this? Or maybe after all it was a Freudian slip? Only time will tell.... Anyway, what I meant to write was "...neither Ross nor Joey will ever have sex with Monica" - or at least I think that's what I meant

yeah, I have way too much time

Might be in a later edition of the script, haven't watched it again yet (what a surprise!)

Yeah, but it's a little unfair for 908 isn't it? It would be like comparing Michael Owen's fottball skills to those of the queen

Yeah, I found it on the Best of DVDs... I agree with the five stars rating

What do you mean by that? Plus the whole Spanish thing was quite irritating

Sadly, these days Ross would act very differently... I'd rather not imagine what he'd do

But the horrible French accent and the acting talent of a cardboard (no offense to French people)

It annoyed me from the moment Ross tried to explain it to Rachel... One of the most cringeworthy scenes ever. Of course it was meant to be, but.... It's one of those scenes where you want to scream at the screen "make it go away"

Where did those bracelets ever disappear to? I want to see them again, it's the last season after all. And NOT in a flashback

It was a very good episode indeed, but I don't remember it to be as good as 118, that's all I'm saying.

We did, but there have been better stories with thos combinations

When? Granted, Joey and Chandler have a few funny moments, but that was what I had come to expect from them in those days. All the others were not that interesting imho

I'm not remembering it too well, it's been ages since I watched the old stuff (I was re-watching my S5 DVDs when S8 finished and currently I'm waiting for the exchanged S7 set, last episode I watched was 712)

I hope TOW Chandler in a box is one of them? That stupid episode still gets me (when Joey lets Chandler out of the box and asks the group to be Chandler's Secret Santa afew moments later)

Why? I gave it 4 stars. I liked Chandler and Ross "Miami Vice style", Joey was fun, Phoebe was weird and the C&M aspect of the whole thing was rather annoying, hence it only got four stars

I merely smiled every now and then. Was well surprised to find out how most people reckoned this to be one of the bests episodes ever

It's because I'm invested in the show and the characters I didn't like it. Richard's appearance was rather lame, how anyone could fall for that I'll never know, Joey, Rachel and Phoebe at that auction wasn't really season finale material

Do you consider 4 stars to be a bad rating or something? :-)

I know she's in it, just can't remember if I liked it, we'll find out soon though

This is a definitely a point for the minus list

Being a fan doesn't mean you have to like everything. Plus, not really, I think he's been in a lot of good movies and he doesn't simply rely on his "nice boy" image

Haha

What's that got to do with joey chatting up women in CP?

Pretty huge (and then a gap, to make it suitable for the timeslot)

[Sad Men's club rules]

hehe

But you agree that Joey wouldn't make his friends do something they don't want to, right?

You sure you want to get patronising?

You can't always have everything you want, didn't your parents tell you?

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Oh dear, that was too bad for you. I like the drama, when it's mixed with the comedy, but I can see how for some it's not the same.

ROTFL!!! Never mind. :)

:)

Did you use a computer to search through an etext of the script? Coz if you did, those things can have typos, making it very dangerous to use them to prove a negative.

If Lizzibots can admire the boy Owen, then 908 can admire 302.

Yay.

Well, stuff like the furious row between the girls while they were being each other, so they each slagged off themselves.

If you read my transcript, I translated it for you.

Yeah.

He's Belgian.

Oh well.

Maybe Ross & Monica eventually convinced Joey they were a bad idea.

K

Yes, we have, but not many.

Oh, come on. You may not like it, but don't deny it happened.

Well, if you didn't like the football, there's not a lot left.

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Rachel is such a terrible waitress, that her boss Gunther makes her repeat basic training; but Joey warns her that she won't break into the fashion business until motivated by fear of unemployment, so she resigns from Central Perk - upsetting Gunther, who's secretly in love with her. Rachel becomes exasperated since she doesn't get one lead, until Joey's father finds her a job at a small fashion house - where she still has to serve coffee.

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As cute little girl scout Sarah Tuttle sells boxes of cookies, Ross accidentally knocks her down the stairway, breaking her leg. She hopes to win a trip to Space Camp, because her father has gambled everything away, so Ross tries to sell the cookies for her. Becoming Cookie Dude who haunts the NYU dorms, Ross sells 872 boxes, but one girl loans her uniform to her sexy sister to sell 2000 on the USS Nimitz; so Chandler & Joey turn their apartment into a spaceflight extravaganza for Sarah.

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Phoebe is already uncomfortable with Joey's new job selling Christmas trees, when she is terrified to see the old brown ones go through the chipper. While Phoebe beseeches customers to buy a dying tree, crying when they take a green one, Monica sees her friend is still suffering from the suicide of her mother, at Christmas; so she & Joey create an unusual seasonal gift for Phoebe - they turn the large apartment into a bewitching forest of dead Christmas trees.

Yep.

The best bit is when Chandler's finger waves goodbye to Kathy.

Yes, it was fun working out just who was whose Secret Santa.

Oh okay. I liked Phoebe dying, and for me CnM were great.

Oh dear, I feel so sorry for you. :(

Oh, well.

Hehe.

She's amazing, best guest ever.

But Pheebs *sings* to the pipes!

Well, for me he was great with the missus.

Because Gunther knows Joey got further than he did.

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean.

Ta.

Hmmmm... I think so.

That wasn't.

They didn't have to, we didn't.

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Now that everyone's overdosed on Teletubbies, Tennant Stuart had a cracker and said:

Oh well, looks I'll have to watch it again. I have a day off today anyway *g*

Yeah, that was fun. It's a very good episode indeed, but not one of those I'm dieing to see again, like 118 or 302.

Or look it up on www.friends-tv.org :-) But it was still confusing when I saw it for the first time

They really seem to think that having Ross behave the way he does since S5 is a good idea, don't they?

Isn't there a French part of Belgium as well? Doesn't change the fact that his accent was annoying and a role as a lamp post would have been more suitable to his acting skills

But it showed to the world that they are bracelet buddies :-)

I can agree about J+M, but I thought C+R story is one of their weakest together

I'm not denying, I'm not remembering, or at least so it seems

Yeah, Rachel freaking out and getting mad at C+J was fun. Say 4 stars

I thought Ross was unbearably stupid in some parts of that story, while in others he was really good. Including name bonus, I'll give it 4 stars as well

I could never build an opinion on that story, I'll give it 3 stars for now

Originally or in the end?

But you don't like R+R all that much, while I'm more comfortable with them than C+M, so on the greater scheme of things this should work out :-)

Why? I enjoyed S4 a lot more than most people I guess. To me it still as though it was highlight after highlight that year, with the exception of TOW the invitation

Yeah, she was pretty good

hehe. I also liked the scene where Rachel tries to tease Ross about something (having seen him wear a mini skirt??) and he simply says "wanna start telling secrets?" and she shuts up. Heh! He should do that more often. Compared to the average S7 episode, definitely a highlight, but compared to other greats, I'd say 3.5 - 4 stars

And that's exactly what it got minus points for from me. Some really clever nitwit must have thought "oooh, I know something clever, we'll get Brad on the show and have him play someone who hates Rachel, when in real life they're married and love each other very much.... Do I get to be head writer now?"

Pretty huge dick!

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And?

It was shown here on Sunday evening, and I forgot to set the VCR. :(

K

Mine is better. :)

Yep.

Yep, and what is more, "they" includes David Schwimmer.

Yeah, but in France they put his accent down to being Belgian, just like you guys put Arnie's horrible accent down to being Austrian.

Think of him as a 6 foot dildo that the girls were fighting over.

Yea, but now Chandler gives bracelets to Monica. :)

Storywise maybe, but they played beautifully off each other.

And they were just so cute together in her Fonziesque fantasy.

Gosh. Oh well, this is 309 "TOW the Football"...

To help Chandler forget Janice, Joey suggests that they all play some Thanksgiving football. Rachel & Phoebe are excited, but Ross & Monica need convincing, because their mother hasn't let them play since they became too competitive. Monica teams up with Joey & Phoebe, while Ross & Chandler are stuck with Rachel: but things turn ugly when Chandler & Joey are attracted to a pretty Dutch girl; while Ross wrongly believes Monica is cheating, so he stops playing. Monica changes Ross's mind by revealing she still has the Geller Cup, a troll doll nailed to a block of wood - then to help Joey keep focus, she brutally tackles Chandler to make him look weak in front of the girl. When Chandler asks if the Dutch come from the Netherlands, Joey replies that is where Peter Pan lives, so the girl chooses Chandler until he gloats, and she departs.

Ross cannot accept Monica is better than him, even though she is well ahead, so they switch to Girls versus Boys. Phoebe bares her breasts to Chandler & takes the ball, but when she does it again he hides his eyes, only to run into a bush. When the score levels, Joey & Chandler grab Phoebe, and while Ross aggressively charges Monica, he foolishly ignores cissy Rachel, who catches a long throw to slam the ball down, except 5 feet short of the line. That evening, the others enjoy their beautiful dinner, while out in the park, Monica & Ross lie on top of the ball, refusing to let go - as snow gently falls. Monica loses the feeling in her toes and catches cold, so at last she gives up, which causes Ross to realise that the Cup has caused them too much pain and suffering. Later, they go to the utility room in her building, call the game a tie, shake hands, and throw the Geller Cup down the trash chute. Monica comforts her brother, bids him goodnight, then once he has left, calls down the chute to Phoebe, who has caught the Cup for the girls. But before they can celebrate with champagne, clever Ross has caught Phoebe with the Cup, and Monica has lost once again...

That's just the one story though.

Why was he stupid? Because he settled into a little girl's world?

Wait till you see the scene where she buries her head in Joey's shoulder.

Originally.

You can work it all out like those puzzles in magazines at the dentist's.

Well, RnR were simply wonderful when their story was ongoing.

It's the throwaway mini-sequels that have gone too far.

And the Cat.

She was better than that! lol

Yep.

Oh well.

Heh, clever nitwits are the best sort.

Oh, *that*...

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I didn't get to watch it yet. Been watching a DVD I got for christmas instead (Die �rzte - Rock'n'Roll Realschule, an MTV Unplugged performance by a German band)

There shouldn't be any difference between them

Maybe originally. In that TV Guide interview he did with JA about this time last year, he said that he wasn't too fond of some of the decisions that have been made for his character - and I think somebody else told you about that interview ages ago as well

Yeah, but it IS an Austrian accent. He sounds ridiculously stupid even when he talks German. Hmm... I see what you mean.. ;-)

I'd rather not think of 6 foot dildos, my mind is very quick with visualizing thoughts

ugh

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Were you on about Chandler's dance? That indeed is a highlight of the show, I still stand firm on 3 stars though (... And you're gonna tell me now that originally I said 2 or 4 stars, aren't you?)

Yeah, that story gets 4 stars

no, because of how he behaved at the meeting and started getting into a mini version of a bitch fight with that girl. And how he told the leader that he has this cookie addiction, which is why he bought all those cookies... blergh

I agree. But for me, the idea of C+M should have been thrown away in the first place

I don't really mind the cat. Knowing the story of why that particular scene exists is certainly annoying, but it was in character for Phoebe to demand such an apology and back then it was in character for Ross to apologize, whereas nowadays he would just have a fit and shout in a really high pitched voice :((

Isn't nitwits a sort of biscuit in the UK? Or am I just imagining things now?

Well, what else?

Andr�
"Mexico City announced that it is forming a new police unit with officers dressed like cowboys with cowboy hats and spurs. In a related story, Mexico City also announced it's gay."
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Ah. And now?

Shouldn't be. Shouldn't be. But is.

Did they?

Grin.

Well, just bear in mind that dildos can't mow the lawn. :)

Awwww...

No.

One of them.

Not if you don't want me to.

Okay.

That was fun!

Oh, I guess I mentally edited out that bit.

Awwww....

Fair enough, though it was really that bitch Rachel's fault.

Not that I've heard of.

Could be.

Then again, there are whole aisles I don't go down at the supermarket.

I dunno, that's why I asked... ;)

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Now that everyone's overdosed on Teletubbies, Tennant Stuart had a cracker and said:

And of course yours is the correct one?

Who's they?

Which is why you get lawn mowers?!

To see a grown man act like that is fun? You have some weird ideas about fun

Who wouldn't have taken that chance in her place though?

Andr�
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I try harder.

The "somebody else" of whom you speak.

I do. You do. Dildos don't.

Bite me. :)

Who her? Rachel?

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Now that everyone's overdosed on Teletubbies, Tennant Stuart had a cracker and said:

I'm not 100% sure, but I think this was talked about before

nope, I'm not into that kind of stuff

Yes

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Okay.

Lol

Well, I hope Monica tore a strip off her, while Phoebe returned the cat.

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pitched

Andr�, what is the story behind that scene?

Belphoebe

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Now that everyone's overdosed on Teletubbies, Belphoebe had a cracker and said:

[TOW the cat]

I don't know it in all detail, but it gives a decent enough idea of what happened IMHO: Martha's mother or father had just died, so when they wrote this episode, Martha insisted on that scene where Phoebe gives her speech about what it is like to lose a parent and Ross having to apologize to the cat. Most of the other writing staff was against having that scene in the final cut, but with Martha being one of the creators and all, she got her way. So in way, she "used" the show for personal issues, and even against the will of most of the writing staff and I find that to be a questionable attitude

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Thanks for the story. I agree with you on this one. This is a scene that I've never liked--in fact, I usually skip this episode when it comes up in syndication, and that's mostly *because of* this scene. It's a shame the majority of the writing staff did not prevail.

Belphoebe

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In alt.tv.friends on Sun, 15 Dec 2002 at 00:33:48, Tennant Stuart wrote :

Err... do you mean what I *think* you mean, here? :)

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I was thinking that Andr� had tripped over his own bootlaces.

In the event he wondered what medication he was on when he wrote that, or maybe after all it was a Freudian slip, for only time would tell...

Anyway, what he meant to write was "...neither Ross nor Joey will ever have sex with Monica" - or at least he thought that's what he meant.

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That would be the 'touch wood' superstition. I can't explain what it means though.

That never occurred to me! I just though she mistook it for some kind of STD.

'Shameful joy'? How does that apply?

[In case you're wondering, I heard that from The Simpsons] :)

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Despite wearing pink lacies, Paul Hyett looked like a real lumberjack when saying:

I know what it means, it just seemed really silly to me. I've always regarded that as something only very old people do and the Friends charactera are not that old yet :)

Tennant and his ongoing snide comments (although he denies they are) about the lack of hints towards the R+R reunion. However, I say let's wait and see who has the last laugh...

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I thought it was weird that Monica would be saving her good china for the Queen, just as it was unlikely she would save her fancy bathroom soap for the Pope (TOW Chandler in Box). It seems to me a Jewish girl from Long Island would more likely hold up Barbra Streisand as the epitome of distinction and class.

I thought she was too similar to Rachel in her appearance and too similar to Jill in how she seemed childishly self-centered. She really needed a more distinct personality.

I don't understand what you have against 905. I thought that episode was pretty good, except for the silly depiction of Oklahoma chain-smokers. I really enjoyed the fighting between Monica and Chandler and how Rachel's obsessive behavior was mocked by Ross. Matt Leblanc was also very funny, demonstrating Joey's collosal eating abilities.

Appelgate's age is irrelevant. These are actors whose age is defined by their characters, not their birth certificates. Courteney Cox is about a year and a half older than her "older" brother Schwimmer, but does it matter? They are convincing as a big brother/ little sister.

It was a Christmas-themed parade as well, as evidenced by the presence of Santa.

It was just sloppy editing. The announcer's reference to a soap opera float was put over the stock footage of the parade showing the turkey float. That's all.

I was hoping it could be Beluhlah, as Phoebe suggested in TOW The Race Car Bed. If we we ever do learn it, it's likely to be something more prosaic.

You are suggesting that if we haven't seen these things in an episode, then they never happened. Most people could understand some events in these characters lives take place outside of camera range.

The only example I can remember where he lied and got away with it was when he picked up the girl in the coffee house in TOW The Sharks. Apparently he usually does not have the imagination to defend a lie so he doesn't try.

I think it's obvious she was confusing Phd with STD, sexually transmitted disease, though we don't know if she was thinking of PID in particular.

This has to be one of the salient features of this season, how quickly Ross and Rachel have become a defacto couple. They don't even talk about dating, they defer to each other in all decisions regarding their child and there are the outward expressions of affection - hand-holding, sitting with each other, etc. Does anyone really doubt they will re-marry by the end of the series?

Some people cannot understand the concept of continuity errors. They occur when people or things have moved in succeeding camera shots and it would not have been possible if it were filmed in one continuous take. It's caused by sloppy editing and careless directing, that's all.

I'm pretty sure I've seen it in other episodes. It's just one of Phoebe's tacky home-made jewelry items, part of her costume like her huge collection of tie-dyed shirts and umpteen rings she wears.

I shake my head when I read questions like this. This show is a comedy. The writers are getting laughs at the expense of Phoebe's name. If Phoebe corrects her, then where is the joke?

This was one of the most charming scenes in a long time. Those small heart-to-heart discussions really add some substance to the show.

The fight was a big disappointment. It seems to me they could have made it a lot more entertaining if they took the time to choreograph it better, something along the lines of a WWF match. Especially phony was Rachel's hair tussel and her holding Amy's head as she swung through the air. I really was hoping for another big bite by Amy and a blood-curdling scream by Rachel.

Prinsess VelvetBryan

Nooo... Rachel, Amy and Jill were all raised in a society where you marry a doctor. Their mom married a doctor. Rachel almost married a doctor. Yeah I KNOW Barry was an orthodontist, but that is still better then what Ross is. At least in their eyes. If someone isn't a "real" docotor, its a horrible thing. Someone like Amy WOULD say "eew" in a disgusted way because for her it is hard to imagine someone like her own sister wanting to be with a man who isn't a real doctor let alone having a child with him. Just like when Rachel's friends saw her working in the coffee house wearing the apron. They were raised to look down on "those people"... It all goes with the way we know Rachel was raised. They were raised to be snobs. It all fits.

Also... Phoebe was probably assuming that Amy would realize that Phoebe is a name and that she was just correcting herself... Like if someone calls me by the wrong name, I'm only merely going to say my correct name.

The messing up the hair thing went with the fight VERY well. Something like that would REALLY piss off someone like Amy.. Especially since she had just straigtened her hair. And Rachel knew that

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Good point, I'd originally missed that Amy had actually used the hair straightener which she had come to borrow from Rachel.

At least, that's what she *said*...

BTW, thankyou very much for doing the transcript, Velvet. :)

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You're welcome... : ) And I'm still working on uploading all the other scripts. Today I was reading some.. I didn't even get near uploadig any more.. I was just reading.. hehe.. And one day soon, I hope to have titles plus show numbers for each link.. Right now it's just the numbers... Right now, I'm going to work on a page that could be called a main page..

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Formerlly known as Velvet Frogg

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Well done!

What versions do you have of my transcripts for 116 and 117?

Eric Aasen munged the versions on his site, and he wouldn't accept any corrected copies from me. :(

Never! :)

So, you're not a new face after all, and I guess this also explains why you mysteriously vanished a year ago...

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I finished.. Did you see it yet?

I have no idea..

http://members.aol.com/prinsessvelvet/Friends/Season_1/116.html

and..

http://members.aol.com/prinsessvelvet/Friends/Season_1/117.html

aaww.. I'm sorry!! Well let me know if those are the correct ones or not.. If not, I'll take them down and you can send me what you have.

Nope.. Not a new face.. and yeah.. I canceled AOL and went to MSN.. and went back to AOL for the hell of it.. I did the free trial, paid for a month then called to cancel and they gave me two months free.. and so did MSN.. So I'm with internet until the end of Jan.. in which case, I'll be vanishing again..

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Aw shit. I hit send before finishing...

Anyways.. the messing of the hair was good. Someone like Amy would be more upset with her hair getting messed up then being punched.. and even more upset because she had just straigten her hair at Rachel and Ross' apartment. And Rachel being Amy's sister knew that.

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SPOILER SPOACE

no, no, no, nooooooooooooo

Not in New York City.

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That was a joke, it was meant to be an unlikely choice.

Lol, except that Barbra is kinda Monica's step-mother... ;)

I agree, I expected to see a contrast myself, as I said in a section which you have snipped.

I gave detailed reasons for my dislike of 905 in my review, so rather than go into that here, I've reposted it for you. See you there.

You seem to be under the impression that I'm concerned about her age.

I'm not. I was trying to say something positive about Miss Appelgate.

Oh yes? When did we see him?

Indeed, we've had doubts about the editing already this season.

That sounds to me more like "Fallula".

Well yes, in the same way that "Amy" was rather a boring let-down, and perhaps just a little bit too similar to "Emma".

And you think that I don't?

Joey didn't lie - he qualified his statement with "usually".

I could challenge that statement, but you qualified it with "usually".

Well, I suggested PID since two of its letters are correct, and I didn't think that PHD was appropriate (817).

I somewhat agree, but they have a long history together, and their child is a joint responsibility.

Yeah, I do - I'm not adamant that they won't, but there is doubt.

As you say, it's as though they're a couple already. An *old* couple.

What makes you think I don't understand the concept of continuity errors?

Really? I've never noticed it before.

I wonder why you make remarks like that, when you think it was weird that Monica would be saving her good china for the Queen, and it was unlikely she would save her fancy bathroom soap for the Pope.

Yes, I agree, it was lovely.

Yes, I mostly agree, especially about the need for a fight that was much better choreographed - but the whole point about Rachel's hair tussle was that it was a joke that bookended with Amy's entrance.

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Hee hee! Another vote vor "Belulah"! See, it's not just me! ;)

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You just want it to be "Belphoebe", don't you? :)

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Hee hee. Nope. Actually, I want it to be "E"--no name, just the initial. The story would be that while Jack and Judy were able to agree on the initial, they couldn't agree on a middle name, so they named their daughter Monica E. Geller. ;)

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Ooh, too Trumanish.

In that case, her name would be Monica E Geller. ;)

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Or maybe just Trumanish enough? (I don't know--I can't decide how much Trumanishness is the right amount!)

Ah, yes, unless Judy insisted the period be part of the name. Or Monica could reason the first initial of "E" is "E"--so she can write it either way!

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Oh, after the glory that was FDR, any Trumanishness was too much.

Eep - unbidden, the true horror of Trumanishness surfaces.

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I found it. She wore it in episode 820: TOW The Baby Shower. There are lots more episodes where she wears similar large baubles on necklaces. As I say, it's not significant, it's just part of her costume.

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Well done, and thankyou very much, Bryan. :)

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What about in BTTF - Lea Thompson is only a couple of months older than Michael J. Fox, yet in some scenes she was playing his mother.

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I saw your initial post on google but it didn't show up on my newsclient.

ROTFL! :) Yep, and don't forget the hearth worship with the spatulas and knives - big heap juju, remember? Not to mention the sacrificed chickens! lol

OMG, that had me roaring for a quite a bit. In fact, I'm still laughing but I can't remember why the handles were crossed for in the first place. You mentioned it here because of Amy's appearance and Perry's performance, yes?

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Hellllooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!

Welcome back, sweetheart!

Really? Wow!

What was it called? (Not "Friends S9-08 - give thanks for Perry").

That's right!

Errr... did I actually mention the sacrificed chickens, then?

Me neither, coz they get disturbed every time dinner is cooked...

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Yes sweetie, but not above the spoiler space. :)

Have you still not been able to catch up with the new season?

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Right back at ya.

Thanx. Nice to know someone noticed my absense. :)

Something like that. I know I saw it somewhere before you posted it again because after seeing your review title, I remember thinking that Perry has finally pulled off a good performance.

Umm, not in the same context but you mentioned checking the entrails and stuff. I think this was when we discussed 817 IIRC.

Grin.

Why? I was pretty sure it was spoiler proof. It's not like I wrote, 'because of Rachel's other sister, Amy's appearance'. How would anyone who hadn't seen the episode understand who Amy was and you've already put MP's performance right in your review title. <pout>

I'm doing my best under the circumstances. :(

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Yay.

Did more than that, I missed you.

Ah well, the mysterious first version had no "Perry" in the title. :)

And yes, it was the performance I wanted from Perry in 905.

I seem to recall that, but I can't find it... :(

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I might have been glad that Perry was alive, or it could be a reference to Champagne Perry. In any case, the name of Rachel's sister was extremely spoilerish to me at least, a few weeks ago.

Awww... poor babe.

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Aww shucks

Oh, then I never saw it.

Me neither.

Aaargh! Will you stop, it wasn't spoilerish at all and that's that.

Yes but how would you know that Amy was Rachel's sister. All I said was there was a Amy appearing on the show. She could have been a date of one of the guys or a friend of the girls. You're just so worried about getting spoiled, you've become gotten too careful. :)

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Very mysterious.

The legacy of 524 "TOI Vegas (part 2)" hangs heavy. :(

This is true. But once one has been spoiled, it's too late to undo it.

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Presumably when or before they were invited to the baby shower.

Do we know that? Maybe we just didn't see it.

Phoebe has the most questioning mind, being open to all hypotheses - which is the true scientific method.

Dear oh dear :-)

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Gosh, could be - but that's a bit late, isn't it?

Well, it wasn't even mentioned either.

Grin.

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It hadn't shown up on my news server, nor on Google.

I thought it was inspired casting. I've often thought CA would be a good choice to play a sister to JA.

I thought it was a good, solid Thanksgiving episode. But then again, I like TOW the Football less than many others do--perhaps because I despise football.

Disappointing? No, I didn't think so. Anything but.

It's not like you to discount the context in which Rachel said this:

Danny: Oh great! That special bond again! Why do women have such a problem with the fact that I'm close with my sister?

Rachel: Well, okay, look. I don't know, listen, I don't know what's going on here but let's.

Danny: Do-do you, do you have brothers?

Rachel: No, I have two sisters. But one of them has a very masculine energy.

Might it not be reasonable to surmise that Rachel just *said that* to preclude Danny saying, "Well, then, you're in no place to judge"? Of course, having a sister with "masculine energy" really *wouldn't* preclude such a claim, but on the spur of the moment, it might have seemed like a good idea to Rachel.

I don't care that she was in _Jesse_; I thought she did a great job.

For some reason, I thought Rachel was the middle child.

For Thanksgiving, of course.

I hope we never, ever find out! BwahahahaHA!

Jill and Amy were invited to the baby shower in S8--remember, this was how Sandra had found out about it before Monica finally invited her.

It was funny that she kept digging herself in deeper with her callous comments about the Gellers.

Yes--it fits in with her views on evolution and gravity.

He lies to cover for C & M in season five: "I'm Joey. I'm disgusting. . . ."

No, it was a putdown of Ph.D.s. It's not an uncommon attitude, sadly. I'd like to see *her* try to write a doctoral dissertation--bitch! :P

Why must you keep asking these questions, posed in this particular way? It seems a little mean-spirited. I thought they had a nice dynamic this time--for example, when they knocked wood at the same time. So in-sync and couply.

In your stated-as-fact opinion. (Yeah, yeah, I know: "My reviews are always my opinions." But still you can see how a statement like the above can be read as a statement of "fact" rather than opinion.)

So in the Tennant spirit: There was far more RnR chemistry than CnM chemistry.

So there!

Because the writers want to torture you.

Because that would have eliminated the joke.

  • They want to forget.
  • It isn't.

Keep your kinky fantasies to yourself! ;)

Yes.

Sibling rivalry.

In fact,

Arousing? Are your only addressing a male audience?

Pilates.

This is news?

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On what basis?

Well, it wasn't about the football...

As you say. :)

Erm, I didn't think I had, actually...

Oh dear, I thought you were just about to come up with an insight that I'd unaccountably missed, but you shot down your 'judgement' idea yourself.

It seemed to me - from the context in which Rachel said it - that although she has no brothers, in a way Amy was the nearest she had to a brother.

Don't get me wrong, Belphoebe. I'm not complaining about her, I'm just saying that she was not as excellent as I would have hoped for.

So did I - presumably your reasons were something to do with Amy having a career while Rachel was 'just' a waitress, and Amy owning a ski-lodge while Rachel was 'just' a roomie. But then in Season 6 we heard how in their father's eyes, Rachel was the daughter he was most proud of.

And in any case, dear Marita bent my ear until I agreed with her. :)

Well, that's not very Doolish, is it now?

Thrrppppptttttttt!

Found out about the baby shower, or found out about the baby?

Yes, I loved that.

And it gave us a titbit about the Rachel/Monica dynamic at school.

You mean she doesn't deny that the moon landings were true?

Yes, he did, but it was for his friends, and he hated having to do it.

However, there is an excellent example of a self-serving lie, when at the end Joey brilliantly turns the tables on Monica, by claiming that it was he who slept with her in London.

Okay sweetie, you can have that one. :)

Because I've had to put up with fans making (not predictions since those would be fair game) but cold assumptions that a great big romance between the two was inevitable; and that it would happen at the start of Season 9, and when that never happened, in the November sweeps, and now that has not happened either, in the February sweeps.

It's just like people who keep promising the end of the world is nigh, and when the world passes the deadline, they just pick a new date. Now, as with the end of the world, I'm not predicting that RnR won't happen, but I'm not going along with the assumption of inevitability either.

Yes, they do things like this all the time, it's been going on for about five years now. In fact, the most in-sync & couply thing they ever did was to get married, and that didn't last either.

I'm glad to see that you are learning. :)

In what way, exactly?

:P

Oh dear. How sad. Never mind.

The writers would just have to write a better joke, then.

<sulk>

That wasn't kinky, kinky would be if Monica... err, I'd better not say.

And?

That's a bit shabby, isn't it?

It's not as though Rachel is competing for a parental resource.

Probably, but the female perspective is always welcomed.

Greek?

Some of us hoped that she stayed innocent on the streets...

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I'll answer that one Tennant style for you Belpheebs :-)

"Speaking of ways, the pathway along here is really beautiful this time of the year..." (taking a piece of a statement and use it to go in a totally different direction to sidestep the questions raised)

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There have been times when one has reminded me of the other, and I've thought, "someone should cast them as sisters!" :)

I dislike football enough for its very presence to cast a cloud. . . .

You often have reasons why we should not necessarily believe what a character says. I think this is one of those times.

[Snipping dialog]

No I didn't. . . .

That was clearly her intent. That's why we shouldn't necessarily believe her. Suppose neither of her sisters is masculine at all--energy or otherwise. Danny asks her if she has any brothers. If she just says "no," well, then, who is she to judge? So, possibly, she comes up with a lie--she has no brothers, but one of her two sisters has a "masculine energy." Almost like having a brother, huh?

This would be especially ironic if both of her sisters are girly-girls who would be aghast at being accused of having a masculine energy. And that would fit in with the antagonistic relationship Rachel has with them both--"they're not very nice people."

Oh, well. Perhaps you should rethink some items on your wishlist of things you'd like to have revealed on the show. They won't necessarily live up to your hopes. As long as they're not revealed, you can hold to an imagined, sublime version. . . .

Yes, something like that, but without disparaging Rachel as "just" anything (she wasn't a waitress anymore by then). But I guess it did seem to me that the sister in question was more established--she was able to have a ski lodge in addition to her primary residence. I would havie expected this from someone 26 or younger (Rachel was around 27 then).

To me, that says nothing about their birth order.

Time to bend it back. A parent can be "most proud" of a child anywhere in the birth order, for any number of reasons.

What would you have expected?

I meant that this when how Sandra found out about the baby shower. Clearly we don't know exactly when Sandra learned about the pregnancy, but probably before learning about the shower, since she wasn't making a big fuss about not having known about the baby, along with everything else she was fussing about in the shower episode.

But my point was, Amy should have known that Rachel had a baby, since she'd been invited to the shower. No, we don't know if she'd been told before the invitations came out, but at the very least, she knew once she was invited.

Sure, if we can really take Amy's pespective at face value. ;)

No, that's not what I meant. She's skeptical about evolution and gravity, non?

That was't part of the question. You didn't ask for good examples of Joey lying and enjoying himself in the process!

Yes, that was a lovely moment of revenge.

Ta. :)

I haven't followed any threads with "cold assumptions," and from my perspective your comments have seemed like someone putting in a knife, twisting it, and then going, "nyah, nyah, nyah." Please try to keep in mind that when you feel you are merely responding in kind to comments others have made, there may be readers who simply see *your comments* as the cold ones.

It seems more as though you're actively not wanting them to happen. Further, it seems as if you almost wish to influence the outcome somehow, warding off such an eventuality.

See? Twist, twist.

Hmph! Are *you* learning? ;)

Oh, nope, nope! Since when do stated-as-fact opinions need a further explanation?!? :P

Actually, I enjoy both couples and feel no need to pit one against the other in a chemistry contest.

Yes, not their best effort.

It was cute.

No, but since when is sibling rivalry logical?

The exercise system was named after Joseph Pilates, who developed it. I don't know about his ethnic heritage.

But we've had earlier indications that she'd done some stealing, haven't we?

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You wanted similarity. I hoped for contrast.

Poor you.

Okay, a good point well made, Belphoebe. I agree with you. :)

Lol, much of the TWWWS is more exotic than Rachel's sister.

That's why I carefully put the J-word in quotes.

On both counts, it was Ross who saw her like that (208 & 110).

That's a risky evaluation.

Maybe, but that was the point where we began to question our assumptions.

Ah, there's a lot that's gone unsaid.

Something better.

Fair enough.

Go on...

Her somewhat complex position is that she doesn't believe in either of them, but that doesn't mean they're not true.

Maybe, but proper lies were what I wanted, such as telling Ross that there would not be a stripper at his bachelor party, telling women that his name is Ken Adams, his 3 years of modern dance with Tyler Tharpe & 5 years with the American Ballet Theater, and telling Angela Delvecchio that Monica was his new girlfriend while telling Monica that Angela's date was her brother.

Absolutely. And now Joey suddenly doesn't know what a bird is. :(

Yep.

Good. :)

Okay, but it was still shabby.

I was just going by the pronunciation of the name.

Such as?

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Yay!  :)

Yes, I know--most would probably qualify for me TIWINS list!

Right, Ross being evil and unworthy of Rachel of course. (No, that's not how I feel about him.)

At least he doesn't think she has fat ankles! :P

So is the birth-order evaluation--that seems "riskier" to me (though the idea of any of this conjecture being "risky" seems a bit silly!).

Not me. The birth-order issue didn't enter into it at all for me from that.

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On the show or at atf?

No.

brother.

"Proper lies"? No fair recharacterizing your question!

Don't worry, the writers will surely smarten him up again when it suits them.

No, uh-uh. Don't send me back for examples. I have 22 papers to grade this weekend, then Tuesday I'll have 44 final exams. Another 40 finals and papers by Friday. Then somehow I have to get everything graded and course grades calculated by the following Monday. So, no, I'm not going on a hunt for examples.

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Things In Which I'm Nakedly Seen?

The whole point was, long as Rachel's con list may be, Julie's con list was very short indeed. "She's not Rachel".

Have you listened to the commentary, where the writers agonised to think of one single physical imperfection of Jennifer Aniston?

Well, the ages of the actresses ended up supporting my POV.

You'll be saying next that "Friends" is just a TV show...

Don't worry about it. :)

In the back story.

Okay. I was only interested.

If you check my review, you'll see that I asked for *good* examples.

Sigh.

Fair enough, I understand, sweetie. :)

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You naughty boy! Things I Wish I'd Never See!

Short but loaded!

Nope, I've never heard the commentary. I hope JA didn't take that to heart!

Ah, but as you conceded elsewhere in this thread, we can't go by the ages of the actors and actresses, considering that CCA is older than DS!

Nah, I won' say that--but I don't feel particularly endangered!

I'll try not to. . . . ;)

Yes, and it might well continue to go unsaid. . . .

Sorry, I should refrain from posting when I'm feeling moody. Amy doesn't seem particularly reliable to me, that's all.

But "good" is awfully subjective don't you think? I was thinking of entertainment value. I thought the lies from my example were fabulously good!

I'm also remembering a Joey lie where he says, "it's for the kids," but I don't remember the context. Oh, and how about when he lies to Gunther about female CP customers having birthdays? Or when he closes the place to go on his audition--"We close early today." Is *that* when he says, "it's for the kids"? I don't have the time to check right now, unfortunately. (Not that I really have time to write this, either--bad me, bad!)

Re. Phoebe and stealing--I have a sense there have been other references, but here's one from TOW the Rumor:

Phoebe: I brought you my old maternity clothes! (Sets a bag on the counter.)

Rachel: Oh Pheebs that's so sweet--(Grabs a pair of pants)--Ooh, those are so cute!

Phoebe: Yeah! And look, (Grabs the pants) see how they expand as the baby grows? (There's a stretchy part in front.) And then after the baby's born, they're great for shoplifting melons.

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Oops, sorry!

Exactly.

Ah yes, no room for a shoe box. :(

It was a compliment.

Sure, I'm just saying it was additional support.

Okay. :)

Sadly, that could well be so. :(

Awww... <hugz>

Fair point.

Yes dear, I'm sorry, I phrased it badly. Okay?

Well, first of all, those were all 'good' examples. :)

Second of all, after he became a waiter in 612 "TOW the Joke" he lied that CP had to close for about an hour, "for the kids", to keep them off drugs, a very important issue in that month's Playboy; Joey lied to Gunther about female CP customers having birthdays in 613 "TOW Rachel's Sister"; and the reason you'd become confused about him saying "for the kids" is that Joey used the lie *again* in 819 "TOW Joey's Interview" after he realised that he could get caught out in another lie about eating in moderation only to have Gunther set down a huge plate of muffins in front of him.

Ooh Belpheebs, don't bang your head or iron your fingers...

Lol, yes sweetie, that's a good one! :)

Are there more references to Street Phoebe being mixed up in prostitution?

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Heh. That's okay.

That and my being cheap!

I meant that I hope she didn't suddenly develop a complex about her ankles. Grooving along, thinking everything's fine, and then suddenly, upon reading that script: "Oh, no, maybe I *do* have fat ankles!"

Mmm hmm--if you're selective as to when it constitutes "support." ;)

Thanks. I feel better now. :)

Thanks.

Hee hee. All right, then.

Yay!

Ah, yes--thanks for the reminder. It did seem to me that Joey has used "for the kids" more than once.

While we're on the subject of lying, can we trace a turning point for Phoebe where she transforms from someone who never lies in season one to someone who is quite comfortable lying? I guess one could retroactively decide that her declaration "I never lie" is a lie, but that's not how it plays in the episode in question.

Okay--all is well now. :)

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baby

born,

Thanks!

None that I can think of. We of course have two people wrongly construing her as engaging in prostitution--first Frank Jr. and then her boss at the massage parlor. And Phoebe's disgust at Frank Jr.'s assumption had me thinking she'd avoided such a path at all costs. But I don't think it's been explicitly dealt with one way or another. At the moment, I'm thinking that in her street days, Phoebe certainly knew pimps and prostitutes. I imagine that there were pimps trying to get her to work for them--in fact, in my own imaginary construct, this is why a pimp spat in her mouth. She turned him down, and he lashed out. This is all, of course my imagination. :)

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Ta. :)

Well, the entire Season 2 box set cost me 22 bucks. That's cheap.

Ah, well yes, specially when she looks at Courteney, and starts to believe that her friend's ankles are normal.

Well, I would be, since if it wasn't supportive I wouldn't consider it so.

YW, sweetie.

Thanks. I feel better now. :)

That's because the phrase has been used *four*more* times in the last few years - why Phoebe went to the charity bash, Ross humping Elizabeth, then Phoebe getting pissed, in 624 "TOW the Proposal (part 1)"; and Joey was a mento for the kids in 819 "TOW Joey's Interview".

If the transcripts are reliable, (proving negatives is dead dodgy), that that phrase was never used in the show until Joey became a waiter in S6.

Weeeell, it was nice at the time, but looking back on it now, Phoebe was somewhat elaborate, wasn't she? All that with the oatmeal raisin cookies *and* she'd brought her own milk? Should not the dispassionate observer (if not the cynic within us) regard that performance as manipulative?

We can assume for the sake of argument that Phoebe told the truth about Paolo, but did she tell Rachel the truth about never lying?

And what does "never" mean in this context? You might recall previous discussion about "you never let me massage you", in 814 "TOW the Secret Closet", where the apparent continuity error is avoided since people do exploit "never" to mean "hardly ever" or "no longer". However, in 112 "never" could mean "not at this moment in time under current policy"; she had lied before, but has since resolved to always tell the truth, and at that point she had no plans to abandon her position.

Anyway, all that is a preamble to admitting that I can't trace that turning point, but I'm hoping that you & Marita can, since it is due to you guys that we were able to list Joey's past lies.

Absolutely, that was my line too.

I like to think that you're right, Belphoebe. :)

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Are you offering to buy me a gift? ;)

True. It's bad enough her mother had her thinking her eyes were too close together and other perceived irregularies. Then to add "fat ankles" to the mix?

My point was that it might be seen as a bit of a cheat to decide the actors' ages count as "support" when speculating about Rachel and Amy's birth order, when they clearly don't when it comes to Monica and Ross (also Joey and Chandler, since MLB and MP are younger than CCA).

Ah, good.  :)

It's become a bit of a leitmotif, then. :)

I guess it can be seen that way in retrospect. But at the time, I think, it played more as Phoebe's quirky way of doing things.

At the time, it seemed we were supposed to believe it.

Right, so perhaps she had a no-lying policy at the time, and dumped it later. (She must have dumped it a some point, because lying doesn't seem to especially trouble her these days.)

I think this one might be tougher. Any ideas, Marita?

Ah, good!

Yay! Me, too! :)

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Sadly, you have no room in which to put it...

Very sad.

That's what the word "support" is all about.

If the ages do not match, then they don't provide support.

Good.

A *bit* perhaps, since it's associated with others than Joey.

Well yes, I did always like the way Phoebe set out her case, and actually told�Rachel what she needed to know.

Indeed.

Quite. We've seen her dump other policies (711).

Marita?

Yay. :)

lol

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But soon I will, since we're moving.

so.

We need consistent criteria for supporting an argument. Either the actors' ages count all the time, or they never do. Since Monica is younger than Ross and Chandler, the actors' ages do not count.

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Me, too. At that point, not only did Rachel not know Phoebe well, the audience didn't either, so the little presentation served a double purpose.

So I do kind of miss *that* Phoebe. :(

True. Such as never "fooling around with clients" (404), to add another example.

Yes, Marita--this plate of virtual sweets is still waiting for you in the 9-08 thread! :)

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Oh, yay! Where to?

Not really. Support is merely support, it's not proof.

Indeedy.

Mind you, in "An American Werewolf in Paris", I prefer the way Serafine gets Andy to stop arguing and listen to her, by whipping her shirt off, then placing his hands upon her naked breasts... ;)

Yeah.

There you go, sweetie.

You've not been eating them, Belphoebe?

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Same town. I'd be happy to tell you more in e-mail if you're interested (long story).

Aargh. It seems to me you're splitting hairs--one need not be consistent with "support," only with "proof"? Well, I disagree, and hereby declare that JA and CA's dates of birth do not "count."

Oh, I'd forgotten about that. That technique wouldn't be practical in *most* situations, I daresay. ;)

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Nope, not a bite. Not only that, but I'm checking the virtual catalogues for the virtual roll mops you mentioned. :)

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Sure. :)

I'm not splitting hairs, it's the difference between support & proof.

Your privilege, sweetheart. :)

I hadn't!

Indeed not, but it is *very* effective. :)

Try the virtual pickled herring section.

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I don't see a distinction. One supports ones's claims in an argument with examples used to prove one's point--and they need to be consistent to be credible.

Yes, but you'll still refuse to believe me.

Clearly! :)

;)

Have you personal experience in the effectiveness of this method? ;)

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Ah, thanks for the tips. :)

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Well, say your man promised to mow the lawn today, but when you get home he is watching football on TV, and you yell at him for being a lazy git; but then you find that the grass is shorter. That supports his claim to have cut it, but does not actually provide any proof.

It's more that I don't think it's worth losing sleep over. :)

Of course.

Not to shut me up. :)

YSW, Belphoebe. :)

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How big is your kitchen anyway? You must have a thousand saucepans by now. ;)

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Did you notice that Chandler had been raiding Joey's closet in this scene? He was suddenly wearing Joey's Nike-sweater from 906.

It would have been only appropriate, though, if the Queen had indeed come over to admire their wedding china, what with the circle being complete with the British influence on their relationship.. ;)

Also, it looked like Monica was going to place the stepladder in her messy closet.

She also seemed to have some sort of shady past since Rachel told Ross to hide her rings. Was Amy going to steal them or "borrow" them?

Why, oh why, didn't he listen to Monica's words of wisdom from 304 TOW the Metaphorical Tunnel? "See, now this is why I keep notepads everywhere." Instead, he has learned from Phoebe and uses his hands as notepads. Well, at least he's not as bad as Chandler...

It shouldn't have been that hard considering his big dysfunctional family.

The main problem was that Joey wasn't wearing a white lab coat. Amy was probably convinced that Dr. Ramoray was ten times more handsome than Joey the Actor.

It was so sweet that Chandler was the one who thanked them for asking them. Monica wouldn't have been a very good choice since we already know she would be thrilled to do it. Chandler, on the other hand, proved that he really wants to start a family with his little speech.

You could see how hurt Chandler became in this scene. No wonder, it was really mean of them to drop it on him like this. Chandler in season 2 might not have thought much of it and merely nodded along, but he has come a long way since then.

Such a good scene, although Monica could have dropped the whole "shoes-on-the-furniture"-part.

It almost seemed as if Aniston checked where the plate was a few seconds earlier, though, in order to make sure she knocked it off the table.

And this is where Rachel really knew how to make peace with Amy; give her a discount.

Funny how both Amy and Jill are living under the impression that Rachel is jealous of them, while their father has made it clear that Rachel is his favourite.

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Never! Gosh... ;)

Errr... how exactly do you mean, sweetie?

LOL yes, good point! How would there be room?

Or could be that Rachel stole or "borrowed" them from Amy?

That's because he wanted to play. :)

Oh yes?

For sure, they're a ready source of details, but that's poor strategy.

Exactly...

Absolutely, he was so great in this episode, unlike 905.

Yes, this was wonderful stuff, with writing from the heart.

And it neatly portrayed his emotional development, as you say.

Good point, the tone for that was out of place.

Yes, it's very hard to do accidents well, and Aniston is one of the best at this. The most fakey one ever was Schwimmer trying to get his hand over the air-hole, in 408 "TOW Chandler in a Box".

Yes, that made a very neat ending.

Well, all we know is what Leonard told Jill as he cut her off. We don't know what he or Jill have told Amy, or even if Jill told the truth.

That was because Ross showed a great deal more enthusiasm for Jill than he does now for his ex-wife.

Oh yes, in fact I could put it in the TWWWS if you like...

My feelings exactly (except for being cheated, having avoided the hype).

Well, this is where we differ, since for 905 I wanted him to take the strong mature line we saw in 908, and stand up to Monica's deceit in the same way that he opposed their dismissal of his parental ability.

Yeah. How do you rate it against shoop-shoop-shoop, got the keys, VD posters, the States game, and Chandler putting his foot down?

Okay, but why did we have to get another Jill?

Good point.

Nicole Kidman was never my suggestion, and Gillian Anderson would have been a great choice as Emily Waltham; while for Rachel's middle sister I supported Mari Szutenberg, who strongly wanted to see Gina Gershon.

Mari & I felt that Gershon exemplified masculine energy.

Well, maybe, but Applegate had no punch here.

That's right, but I wanted a contrast, plus pizzazz.

OIC. I've actually bought a Christmas present, so I've started the shopping really early this year.

Well, wasn't she doing the first-stage preparations?

Yeah. There's been a lot of that, this season.

Yipppppppppppppeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)

Phoebe didn't call anybody, did she?

This is true, but there wasn't even a mention.

Eek!

The most likely explanation for that is Amy was the oldest, since at school you tend to ignore your juniors.

Oh yes, with all three Ludwin sisters, and Monica gives her full name.

Yes, and maybe Neil doesn't believe in the magical city of White Plains.

This is the only valid reply that the rest of us could think of.

Oh gosh yes, that was so blatant!

Does that count as a lie?

LOL yes, those were wall-to-wall lies.

OMG yes, he swindled Monica, and when she found out, he got her to be on-side, and together they busted up the couple.

And now he's written as someone who doesn't know what a bird is. :(

Anyway, how on Earth do you remember all of this stuff, when everyone else writing in (and me) has struggled to find just *one* example?

Yes, but not in relation to Amy.

Yes dear, every woman writing in has said the same thing, so I long ago gave up the whole STD thingie, and hopped on board with you guys. :)

Oh well, all the way up to "okay", I guess they were.

Maybe, but Chandler was so strong, and Monica amazingly supportive.

<looks up the reference> LOL, we must see Amy v Emily!

Oh! I never thought of that (being a bloke I guess) while in fact it's thanks to other respondents that I even know about the straightening.

Really? Sigh, and I've only just noticed it.

Very good point. Yes.

What about S6, when there were two extra guests?

Or if they were expected, could she have managed Janine?

Yeah. :(

Oh, I get it now. Yes. She *wanted* to be unhelpful.

That's a much better explanation than "else there's no joke".

What if she was ticked off about it?

LOL, I hardly ever notice those.

Yeah. Thanks.

Hehehe...

Yes, she's actually a good girl at heart, isn't she?

Phoebe seems to have an undercurrent of great respect for Monica.

I don't agree with that.

Okay, so Joey sat on the step, but it wasn't a heart-to-heart.

Where?

Where?

Where?

I don't remember that either; but it has to be that step, and just two friends getting away from the other four.

No, I'm thinking along the lines of 222...

CHANDLER: (sitting down beside Rachel) Hey, how you holdin' up there,
          tiger? Oh, sorry, when my parents were getting divorced I got
          a lot of tigers. Got a lot of champs, chiefs, sports, I even
          got a governor.
RACHEL: This is it, isn't it? I mean, this is what my life is gonna be
        like. My mom there, my dad there. Thanksgiving, Christmas. She
        gets the house, he's in some condo my sister's gonna decorate
        with wicker. Oh Chandler, how did you get through this?

CHANDLER: Well, I relied on a carefully regimented program of denial and, and wetting the bed.

RACHEL: Ya know, I just, so weird. I mean I was in there just listening
        to them bitch about each other and all I kept thinking about was
        the fourth of July.

CHANDLER: Because it reminded you of the way our forefathers used to bitch at each other?

RACHEL: It's just this thing. Every year we would go out on my dad's
        boat and watch the fireworks. Mom always hated it because the
        ocean air made her hair all big. My sister Jill would be
        throwing up over the side and my dad would be upset because
        nobody was helping and then when we did help he would scream
        at us for doing it wrong. But then when the fireworks started,
        everybody just shut up, you know, and it'd get really cold,
        and we would all just sort of smush under this one blanket.
        It never occurred to anybody to bring another one. And now
        it's just...

CHANDLER: I, I know. (He hugs her).

Ah, but the point was that Rachel *expected* her to do the condo.

I'm afraid that the whole hair thing was lost on a mere male. :)

Really???

Oh yes? Gosh. That would be from a previous take, yes?

Yeah. We *so* need a flashback episode about her...

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Because Monica and Chandler first "hooked up" in London... London, BAE-BE

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This is what I figured, as well.

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Well, you know me... Clothes...

They got together in London, and if the Queen paid them a visit, they'd get London all over again. Gosh, I miss London. :(

First of all, take out the globe..

Maybe, but wouldn't it be more likely that Amy learned the tricks from Rachel, the way Jill learned the crying from her big sis?

BOC.

620 TOW Mac and C.H.E.E.S.E.

Perhaps they hadn't believed him either since some of their stories were rather outrageous.

He was so much funnier back then, though.

Absolutely. Too bad the others (i.e. Ross and Rachel) have failed to realise that he has grown up a long time ago.

Yeah.

That's right, and that was one of the easy ones!

I guess that's a possibility.

Hehe.

Perhaps he could claim he'd been a little too inspired by My Big Fat Greek Wedding.

It was all over the entertainment news here.

Yeah, we disagree here.

I think my list would go like this:

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Because they were supposed to be similar and still different from Rachel?

Okay.

Because of "Bound"?

I disagree.

Oh, well..

I drove downtown and did most of my Christmas-shopping the day after Thanksgiving, so I'm almost done. :)

She was setting the table. Why would she put her plates on the table so that they would gather dust many hours before the turkey was ready?

Yeah, that and dumb jokes.

Well, how did she do it otherwise? She knew who was coming and who didn't have time. Unless she has bought a computer since 603, she probably didn't send them an e-mail, and who uses snail-mail these days? :)

Exactly, so we can only assume what happened.

I don't agree. I think it's more that Amy was standing near the end of the line when intelligence was given out.

And starts gloating since she's a thin and married woman now.

Yeah, opium and CDs fit right into the magical city of White Plains.

It's the most obvious one since he had to spend an entire episode lying to the others.

Yeah. There was no way he'd arrange a calm party.

It would in the court of law...

Yep.

Yep, and she wasn't mad at him either.

I know, it's awful.

(Points to head.) "Not just a hat rack, my friend!" - 603

Maybe she had a nose job, too?

Okay. :)

The good thing is that they agreed on how terrible Amy was and how to raise Emma.

Which is why it's so hard to say that one couple's chemistry is better than the other.

Emily would punch her in the stomach, while Amy would mess up her hair.

That's right. Amy really struck me as the vain type, so she probably wanted to check her features.

I deliberately left that one out since they were invited by Monica. They must have been notified well in advance since they had to drive in from Long Island, and the traffic on Thanksgiving is *insane*.

Could be.

Yep.

<g>

Or Monica could do like she did in 324 when Pete was totally out of it. "Hey! It's me. Mon-i-ca!"

One minute it's Dasani, and the next minute they're drinking Aquafina.

Yeah, and she's so fond of Monica.

Absolutely.

Well, in that case, you need to re-define your question. I've answered you with examples of scenes where characters were sitting on the steps, and that's what you were asking for in your original post... ;)

Rachel breaks up with Tag while they're sitting on the steps.

Monica sits on the steps while Chandler looks at their maid.

Monica sits on the steps while trying to put on her boots.

But that was one of the sweetest RnR-scenes in season 8! Rachel is worried about how hard her pregnancy is going to be, and Ross tells her everything will be okay.

Well, you're referring to 222, and that was obvious, but the point is whether we've seen anything like it *lately*. I don't think an episode that aired in 1996 counts as a recent episode, and neither does 416.

Maybe Amy had been bothering their dad about it for so long that he had given in.

Yes, it's really popular in Hollywood.

Yep. They probably had a few.

Maybe we will get it during February sweeps? *crosses fingers*

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Of course, although you're amazingly observant about all kinds of stuff.

Awww...

RPGOL, as in hats?

Could be. Tell me, since you envisage Rachel as the oldest sister, how did you arrive at that conclusion from the evidence given in earlier episodes?

Of course, although that was the only occasion we saw the Magnadoodle actually being used properly.

That's why one should keep excuses simple.

Nah...

Well yes, which reminds me of this exchange from 311...

MONICA: What if he wants to sleep with her, does it mean he gets to?

ROSS: No.

MONICA: I mean don't you trust her?

ROSS: (lying) Well, yeah!

MONICA: Then get over yourself! Grow up!

ROSS: (shyly) You grow up.

..on the "it takes one to know one" principle, this explains a lot.

Exactly.

Thanks.

That reminds me, is Amy the only daughter who has not been cut off?

Yeah. I've been watching S2, and the difference is amazing; especially Ross caught in the rain, desperately reading out Rachel's pro list.

LOL, gotta watch that. :)

Quite, which might explain why I enjoy these episodes more.

Yeah. No worries. :)

Ooh, that's actually very similar to my list, except that I rate both 309 and 208 just a little higher than you do.

Yes, I got that, but I was hoping for three different sisters.

Amy & Jill are more alike than Phoebe & Ursula are.

Okay.

Yeah, we're both big fans - it was made by the directors of "The Matrix".

Okay, no worries.

:)

Good girl! :)

What car do you drive?

Good point. So what was it that made me think it was earlier?

Monica did it.

Tricky.

Ah.

Yeah, then Lewis Posin arrives in his private helicopter.

LOL

Sure, but you thought of many others... :)

Yeah, but it was the way Joey told Chandler "I chose not to hear that".

Yes, fair enough.

Astonishing.

Well, that was back in the days when it was going to be J&M.

Sigh...

RPGOL! A brilliant Joey line. :)

Could be, also Jill, and her mother Sandra, and her mother before her...

Hey! Something nice to say about Judy, who gave her daughter a good nose.

See, I do listen.

Let's face it, Jack/Judy/Joe/Gloria/Frank/Lily/Nora/Charles/Len/Sandra are five fairly easy acts to follow.

Not for me. I'm judging them as they come across on the screen.

Shouldn't that be the other way round?

All is explained. Thanks, sweetie!

Yes, as in that horrible movie.

Okay.

Thanks.

:)

That doesn't follow.

Oh, it hasn't always been Aquafina, then?

Exactly. One of my favourite Phoebe/Monica moments is when Phoebe has a headache, and lets Monica mother her, making Joey all jealous.

I would so love to see a flashback episode where a young Manhattan sous chef risks breaking the rules, to feed the ungrateful urchin who comes to sleep in a dumpster at the back of the restaurant.

Fair point, sweetie.

We didn't see that, we heard about it afterwards.

She was alone until Rachel came, and they stood by the door.

I'm beginning to see that I need to re-define my question.... :)

Yep, but not that step.

Indeed not. I'm asking for anywhen now.

Could be, but that's not how it sounded at the time.

Righty-ho, thanks for the explanation.

Indeedy.

me tooe, they'renctossed rightnow

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Yeah, and the saucepans are always needed around the holidays.

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Thanks. :)

Too bad it's on the other side of the earth. It's not as if I can pop by Kensington High Street nowadays. :\

Hats?

I don't necessarily assume that Rachel is the oldest sibling, but we have never had any kind of proof that Amy is older than Rachel, or younger for that matter. AFAICR I used the example from 317 where Rachel only said that her sister owned a cabin. I'm just saying that the fact that she owns that cabin does not necessarily mean that she is older than Rachel.

Not really. Ross was writing on it in 416 TOW the Fake Party when Rachel burst through the door. Of course, the blooper from that scene is much funnier than the clip that made it into the episode, but that's a different topic.

Yeah, Phoebe knows how to do it, doesn't she?

Yep. Only now it seems as if Chandler is more mature than any of them.

I think so, yes.

Oh, he was so great back then. I got my S2 set a couple of days ago, so I can watch it now.

It's definitely one of the best movies of the year. So refreshingly anti-Hollywood with real people in the roles. I wish they could bring on Nia Vardalos as one of Joey's relatives just for the heck of it.

I would say you're lucky, but I'm quite fine with living in the land of NBC and Entertainment Tonight. ;)

Yeah, they're good, but there were some parts that made me just as annoyed as Rachel.

Perhaps that's a twin-thing.

Oh, that's right. May 15th is going to be a big day, what with the Matrix sequel and the Friends finale. :)

My credit card doesn't think so.

A little thing called a Plymouth Colt. It's no SUV, but it works.

The parade? The fact that they hadn't changed yet?

I don't think so. Why would she ask Phoebe about it when she called Sandra?

Sounds like "Romy & Michelle's High School Reunion."

<g>

Yeah. Plus Chandler's joke about the Pizza Hut was priceless.

It's a little bizarre to think about it now; eight years, a night of seven times, an internet minister and a long-term relationship later.

Yeah, and he was right too!

What about the ears? Did she get them from Judy?

Yeah, anything is good compared to these people.

Okay.

Nope. Amy learns from her sister (hair, vanity, obsession with doctors), while in the beginning of 501 Emily showed off her punching techniques. Ross certainly got to feel them.

What movie? I was driving up north on Thanksgiving, and there was a traffic jam about two miles long in all the six lanes out of the city. Thank goodness I was driving in the opposite direction.

I know it's an entirely different context, but at least she said it the same way as Phoebe did.

Nope. In fact, 804 should have been called TOW All the Dasani.

I still think their storyline in 306 was the best.

You need to call Marta. Otherwise, you'll never have peace. :)

Pardon? She even used Phoebe's break-up trick.

I know, but Monica sat on the steps until Rachel arrived.

Exactly. :)

You didn't specify which step you were talking about.

Well, if you don't accept any of the suggestions I came up with, I'm out.

I haven't seen that episode in ages, so I give up.

~Marita [email]
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And in case you hear screams coming from next door.

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Lol, you've probably been to Kensington High Street more than I have.

Popes in a Volkswagen.

Okay, fair enough. :)

Oh yes, well done.

Indeedy.

Hah, revenge for the ending of 211. :)

How come?

Oh good, let me know what extra bits you find.

I haven't found any enhanced transcripts for 202-6, 208-13, or 216-24.

Lol, but as she's Greek, shouldn't she be one of Rachel's relatives?

Oh yes?

What, it's a twin-thing that Phoebe & Ursula are dissimilar?

Wow. Will there be 25 episodes this year?

Awww...

What's a SUV?

Errm, I'm not sure if I'm in danger of a circular argument here.

Phoebe was in charge of the invitations, but she didn't invite Sandra.

You got it! :)

What, "I'm too good for the Hut"?

Yep, both CnM and RnR disproved the saying, "easy come easy go".

Absolutely. Check out his deductive powers in the extended 201...

JOEY: (answering the phone) Hello? Oh, hi. Yeah, hold on a second. Ross, it's Julie, for you. (Throws him the phone.)

ROSS: (on phone) Hello? Hi.

RACHEL: Okay, who gave her our phone number?

PHOEBE: Well, who had the motive? Was it the actor? The chef? The masseuse? Or was it the guy who's dating her?

JOEY: Guy who's dating her! Guy who's dating her!

..although Phoebe did omit the Processing Supervisor.

I guess those must be Jack's ears.

Exactly, it's a given of the show.

You misunderstand, since I didn't put it well. Not...

Emily would mess up her hair, while Amy would punch her in the stomach.

..but...

Amy would mess up her hair, while Emily would punch her in the stomach.

"Planes, Trains & Automobiles", USA 1987. All that Neal Page (Steve Martin) wants to do is to get home for Thanksgiving. His flight has been cancelled due to bad weather, so he decides on other means of transport. As well as bad luck, Neal is blessed with the presence of Del Griffith (John Candy), Shower Curtain Ring Salesman and all-around blabbermouth, who is never short of advice, conversation & bad jokes, and decides that he's going in the same direction as Neal...

That's why I always drive clockwise round the city in the mornings, and anticlockwise in the evenings.

Fair enough. :)

LOL, it's like the Pepsi v Coke wars, then?

It's good, but a bit sad for Monica. Out of these...

111 "TOW the Perfect Guy" 201 "TOW the Haircuts" 301 "TOW the Zombie" 302 "TOW the Answerphone" 307 "TOW the Race Car Bed" 312 "TOW the Empty Vase" 315 "TOW the Diplomatic Coupons" 321 "TOW Monica Roller-Skates" 403 "TOW the Backup Lasagne" 405 "TOW the Bluesy Voice" 406 "TOW the Merry Widow" 409 "TOW the Empty Van" 518 "TOW the Cups & Ice" 519 "TOW the Wrong Earrings" 805 "TOW the Sou Chef" 814 "TOW the Sexy Massage" 822 "TOW the Overdue Bet"

..I rather like 302 (Nooooooo!!!!), 307 (take off your dress, he won't notice the bed), 403 (and it's cool if you're a lesbian), 406 (we could fight crime!), and most of all 315 (your guy can't even say "coupons").

Sigh...

She did?

Then stood up.

We started off with the sitting-on-the-step scene in this episode.

But now you have it on your new DVDs... :)

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Aha! Here, Tennant was insisting Amy's the eldest because "Marita convinced [him]." And now Marita says she's not "convinced" one way or another herself! Ah, yes! Triumph!

So, Tennant--can we three agree that we simply don't know who the oldest sister is?

Belphoebe

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She didn't say that, she said she didn't necessarily assume it.

And she was quite right too.

It's always been a matter of conjecture.

All we actually know is that Rachel is older than Jill.

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episodes?

Marita, will you say it now? Would you agree that you're not convinced one way or another? I don't think that's a gross recharacterization of what you said, do you?

You seemed to have made up your mind upstream in this thread. . . .

True.

Belphoebe

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Marita?

How could I, when there's been no concrete evidence?

Rooty tooty.

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<Over PA system>Marita? Please report to the 9-08 thread. Marita?</Over PA system>

Exactly--that's what I wanted to know! You gave the impression of having decided.

Belphoebe

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ROTFL

Oh come now, Belphoebe. :)

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Hee hee. Marita, we've got a plate of virtual chocolates, cookies, and cakes waiting for you here in the 9-08 thread!

having

Mmmmm-hmmmmmm. ;)

Belphoebe

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Puzzling. Maybe we should try tempting her with roll mops instead...

Oh, now I know, Belphoebe! You're eating all the virtual chocolates!!

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Really? I'm sure there must be a story to that. . . .

No, they'd give me virtual heartburn! (Pregnancy, you know!)

You must have me confused with Joey ("Mmmm, noodle soup!").

Belphoebe

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Norwegian delicacy.

That's the best sort!

Yes indeed, (which explains the move), how long to go now?

Or Judy eating curry snacks. (102)

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Oh, I see! We're adding some of those, then. :)

I'd imagined a house-cleaning implement.

I guess. :)

About ten weeks.

True.  :)

Belphoebe

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LOL, that's very apt actually, considering Hostess Monica in 413.

Gosh, is that all?

Isn't it a bit stressful to be moving house at the same time?

Indeedy.

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On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:56:47 GMT, "Belphoebe" wrote:

Pardon? What's all this about chocolates and cakes? And what is the question? :)

~Marita [email]
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Oh, let's see--one had to do with the relation between Rachel and Amy's ages. Tennant had been maintaining that you'd convinced him Rachel was the eldest. But then you posted that you did not necessarily assume that Rachel is the eldest. I wrote:

Tennant responded:

I then wrote:

Tennant further prompted:

And that's when I started trying to entice you with treats. :)

In another part of the thread, we were trying to remember whether there'd be a definitive moment when Phoebe dropped her "I never lie" policy.

I *think* that brings you up to date.

Belphoebe

Marita BakkenPeter

On Fri, 03 Jan 2003 21:31:08 GMT, "Belphoebe" wrote:

Lol, okay. I'm going to stick with what I said back then. In the beginning of this long discussion, Tennant thought Rachel's unknown sister was older than her because she owned a cabin. I then claimed that age does not determine whether a person can own a cabin. On the contrary, I tend to assume that Amy is younger than Rachel, but as you have correctly claimed, we don't know her real age. However, her behaviour and appearance in 908 spoke volumes, so I still believe there's a bigger chance of her being younger than Rachel than the other way around. Also, I know I read somewhere that Christina Applegate was going to play Rachel's other, younger sister. But until her age has been stated on the show, we cannot know for sure.

510 TOW the Inappropriate Sister is an excellent example. :)

Phoebe: Since it�s Christmastime. I�m going to be one of those people collection donations. (...) Yeah, yeah, I�m going to be out there spreading joy to the people. I mean, last year, I spread a little joy but not really enough. So this year, I�m going to do the whole city. (...) Joey: So Pheebs, where are you doing all, your bell ringing? Phoebe: Ohh, they gave me a great spot. Right by Macys. Yeah, they hardly ever give such a good spot to a rookie, but I�m the only one who can sing "Merry Christmas" in 25 languages. I lied.

Yep, thanks! :)

~Marita [email]
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Okay, fair enough.

See, Tennant, Marita's not convinced one way or another. :P

be

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That's a good one. Something that just occurred to me--I wonder if Phoebe's the one who lies most. But of course that would probably be impossible to prove one way or another.

Now you can enjoy the treats! :)

Belphoebe

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So?

She already let me have the chocolate. :)

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What do you mean "so?" That was what our whole argument was about!!!!!!! ("Marita didn't say that.") Can't you just allow me my victory?!?

Hey, hey--you've had your chocolates, now let Marita have her roll mops and assorted pastries! ;)

Belphoebe

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Awww, you're so cute when you're annoyed...

We're talking about her convincing me, not me convincing her. :)

And she deserves them, while here are some virtual flowers for you...

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Hmmph! And you can be diabolical. . . . ;)

Her having convinced you was premised on her having convinced *herself* that Rachel was the eldest. When you asked her what made her think so, she indicated that she (wait for it. . . ) was not convinced one way or another. She clearly has her suspicions, but concedes that the show has not given us enough to go on.

So the next step would be for *you* to concede that the show has not given us enough to go on. We don't *know* who the eldest sister is.

Awwwwww! Thanks! :)

Belphoebe

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Thanks.

That premise is your assumption.

All you've shown is that she is less sure than she made me be.

The only reason I can't concede that is because I never said so in the first place. Who is the one amongst us who is always complaining about the lack of background information, and who is it always replying that real-life Americans are too informal to care about such details?

_

YW sweetie, even though they have wilted a bit in your newsreader.

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What does American informality have to do with birth order? Would a UK version of the show have Rachel introduce Amy as "Amy <Middlename> Green, my sister who is X years my senior/junior"?

Don't worry--I did at least view them with fixed-width text.

Belphoebe

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Not a lot, I was just reminding you of which foot the boot was on. :)

No, she'd say "This is my younger sister Amy".

Phew! :)

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Or if some stalker knocks on your door.

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Hehe. I spent an awful lot of time there a couple of years ago.

Ah... :)

Exactly.

Because of the decorating?

I haven't seen them either, and seeing that WB is out to get sites like these nowadays, perhaps we never will.

We don't know that Rachel's Greek, though. Are there really that many Greek Jews in the USA?

The list, and his condescending behaviour in 309.

Yeah.

Yep. :) That was confirmed this summer.

Every American's dream car, or so it seems. SUV stands for sport-utility vehicle, and practically every family has one. The funny thing is that even though it's designed for rough conditions and has lots of luggage space, people usually drive it to the mall and back. At least it has room for groceries.

I think you are.

That's not the point. The question was whether Phoebe invited Jill and Amy.

<g>

Yeah. I could just picture them having the bachelor party of the year at the Hut. :)

Yeah.

Perhaps she didn't know back then.

Probably.

Yep.

Huh? Because of their positions?

That is very similar to Home Alone. It even has John Candy.

The highway is usually okay as long as you get out of the city, but it can get pretty bad.

Yep, especially since Coca Cola produces Dasani, and Pepsi makes Aquafina.

I've never been a big fan of 302, but the others are good.

The hug.

Yep.

That's true. The RnR-scene is the one that springs to mind, though.

Give me a couple of days. I've got some travelling to do first. :)

~Marita [email]
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Noooooo! Don't generalize--many of us loathe them!

They're gigantic, gas-guzzling, rolling-over hazards that many consider "safe" vehicles. Ironically, there are people who say they buy them because, with so many of them on the road, they feel "unsafe" being in a normal-sized car surrounded by these monsters.

(Sorry for going on an OT rant, but that "every American" designation had the hairs standing up on the back of my neck!)

Belphoebe

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On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:00:53 GMT, "Belphoebe" wrote:

Sorry. :) I had a feeling people would react to that one, but I can't help it. I feel dwarfed by them whenever I'm out driving, and they are literally *everywhere*. It's so weird, because they're not popular in Europe; in fact, you hardly ever see one across the pond. But here in the USA... Gosh. Maybe it's because I'm not used to seeing them in Europe that I feel that pretty much everybody has one here.

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Oh, I know what you mean--they really are ubiquitous, and it's been getting worse and worse. I wish they'd become unpopular here, as well. Maybe when gasoline becomes too expensive.

Belphoebe

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There you go, then.

:)

Or the ski lodge?

Ilg. :(

I don't know, but Rachel pronounced "Anastassakis-Papasifakis" like she was Greek, (or her father came from Greece), and she nailed the accent perfectly in "Oh, Missy Geller, why you cry?".

Well, the list looks better through male eyes, but I so agree about 309, he was condescension on a stick. It was so great when she scored.

Ah.

Yay!

Really?

What did they say?

LOL, that sounds like the 4WD vehicles that we have, and they never go off-road either. And isn't that what Marge Simpson went mad in once?

Yeah, let's drop it. :)

Eep, I was talking about inviting Sandra.

Yeah, possibly making his hat trick a year later. :)

There's gotta be a lesson there somewhere...

Of course. :)

Aww... poor Monica.

It has to be that way round, else Amy would be flat on the floor before she could do anything to Emily... aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrgggggggghhhhh!

I just remembered I forgot to set the VCR to record "Fight Club" earlier on this evening. :(

Ulg. :(

Yeah.

Ooh! I was even closer than I thought! lol

Oh well, 4 out of 5 isn't bad. :)

cookie dudeTennant Stuart

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why? why? why? why would you do that? Especially when you could get the RC1 DVD with lots of groovy bonus material?

Andr� (who just made 85 Euro selling spare Friends DVDs on eBay)

Watch, learn - and don't eat my cookie
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Why did I forget, or why would I want to record it?

I've only seen the movie once.

Oh, well done!

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both!

So? Having it on DVD sure beats a VHS copy of it. Plus the audio commentaries are not too bad (all four of them)

Considering I paid 160 Euro for them, I'm not too sure whether I should be happy with the outcome or not

Andr�
"Mexico City announced that it is forming a new police unit with officers dressed like cowboys with cowboy hats and spurs. In a related story, Mexico City also announced it's gay."
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Because I was somewhat distracted, and I've only seen the movie once.

Let's start off with seeing it for a second time.

Maybe you should have charged more. DVDs hold their value well.

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Or if your duck gets sick.

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Weird, though.

Probably.

I believe anybody can imitate an accent perfectly with the proper amount of training, so I'm not going to think she's Greek until it has been stated on the show. Besides, I think she had a better Indian accent than a Greek one.

Yeah, that was a good part, plus the scene where she threw the football at him.

Well, maybe that will change now that there will be another season. But they said that there would be 25 episodes, one of which would be a one hour flashback show.

I wouldn't know; I never watch The Simpsons, but that's possible, I guess.

We're going around in circles again. :)

Yes, even though that visit to the Hut was a little too late for the bachelor-party. But then again, that didn't stop Chandler's bachelor-party from taking place a few months after his wedding.

You'll just have to buy the DVD then, I guess. :) I already have the movie myself.

Yep. Nice choice of words. :)

Yes. "Let them down gently and give them a hug."

She was sitting on the steps, so it counts in my head.

I'm surprised you're not criticizing her neck in that picture. ;)

You may be taking this a little too far...

I don't agree.

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I haven't been round the museums in my underwear, either.

Right. This evidently is the secret.

Yeah, but someone who has had the proper amount of training to imitate an accent perfectly is an actor, and that describes Jennifer Aniston, not Rachel Green. It could be that Miss Aniston is playing the part of the Jewish-American daughter of a Jewish-Greek family. ;)

Yes it was, and her scornful pretzel too.

Ooh, I went all ilgy when I read that, and then I realised you had not just said "one hour clip show".

I suppose it is too much to hope that this one hour flashback will cover the life of Phoebe at one, thirteen, eighteen and twenty-two years old.

Okay.

I'm afraid so, sweetie.

Best to just snip this section, okay? :)

Pardon? <thinks> Oh yes! Good point, clever clogs. :)

It'll come round again.

Ta.

Gosh. I never realised that.

Well (as I tend to say on these occasions) that's your privilege. :)

Well, it's a *CnR* scene, isn't it?

Don't get too many of those.

Grin.

Awww, six happy people, perfectly matched... :)

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On Fri, 03 Jan 2003 18:21:07 GMT, Tennant Stuart wrote:

Or to make lots and lots of jam.

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That's good to know. :) Besides, I'd imagine London's museums should be enjoyed in real life.

Of the Green clan?

Ah... Tricky. I still think it's more likely that she would be Greek-Orthodox or Christian in that case, though.

I liked Rachel in that episode. :)

I'm really sorry. I meant to write "clip show." However, I have heard rumours saying that we might get some real flashback shows in season 10. According to the rumours, the focus will be what happened to the six Friends before the pilot. Don't count on it, though. It might be false rumours.

Yeah, that sounds like a good idea.

Thanks. :)

I got it for free, so I'm fine. :)

Perhaps Phoebe taught Rachel her technique while they were living together.

Yep.

True. I wonder how they would have worked as roommates. AFAICR he's the only one whom Rachel hasn't lived with. (If you don't count a few hours in 618, that is.)

Perfect in your head, yeah. ;)

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Or to make pancakes for your roomie's girls in the morning.

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I thought you'd appreciate that!

Unlike the Gugenheim with Miss Litman?

Sure, if you like. :)

Yeah.

Me too.

Uggghhh! Crushed. :(

Ooh, fingers crossed!

Thanks.

VSG

<sulk>

On whom?

Yeah, these are the living arrangements so far...

  MP/C/-/R   (306)
  MK/CJ/P/R  (101-215)
  MK/C/P/R/J (216-218)
  MK/CJ/P/R  (219-411)
  CJ/MK/P/R  (412-418)
  MK/CJ/P/R  (419-506)
  MK/CJR/P   (507-513)
  MK/CJ/P/R  (514-605)
  MC/J/PK/R  (606-617)
  MCP/JK/-/R (618-701)
  MC/JK/-/RP (702-704)
  MCP/JK/-/R (705-709)
  MC/JK/P/R  (710-813)
  MC/J/P/RK  (814-)

..and there's no CK in that list.

Rachel is also the only one who hasn't had her own place.

Best place for it!

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Or to make mac 'n' cheese with cut up hot dogs.

I did!

Hehe. Isn't the architecture of the museum itself the most spectacular thing about that building?

I think it would be a very good idea, actually. With the lack of intriguing storylines we've had so far this season, looking to the past could be the best way to go.

Kenny, perhaps? However, I thought they could practice that technique without boyfriends. I'm sure Phoebe has a theory she could use.

She came pretty close to having her own place in 807, though, but the solution to her problem ended up being so much better. Having said that, it would be interesting to see whether she could really make it on her own.

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Or to be a made-to-order omelet station.

I don't know, I've never been there.

The new courtyard inside the British Museum is a big must, however.

Yay, I so want to see little Phoebe not running on the boat!

Kenny the copy guy?

How exactly do you mean?

BTW...

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That's right, though it sounds like the title sequence of "Rhoda". :)

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On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:11:37 GMT, Tennant Stuart wrote:

Me neither, but I remember Bond running around right by the Gugenheim once.

What is it?

Yes.

It's possible to learn something without actually doing it.

Jryy, lrf, naq V'z rkpvgrq nobhg vg, ohg vg'f trggvat byq.

I've never seen "Rhoda." It never came to Norway AFAIK.

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Really? Which movie was that?

The Reading Room used to be just an interior, outside it was a warren of small workrooms & storerooms not open to the public. All those have been cleared away: an exterior built around the Reading Room, turning it into a large circular building inside a vast covered courtyard; and bordered by the magnificent inward facing exteriors of the surrounding buildings, never seen by anyone at long range for centuries.

Oh, so they didn't just give each other comforting hugs?

We'll just have to wait & see. :)

See if it's in syndication where you are.

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It was nice that she let him have his way and use the plates. And while he's right, doesn't he know that him being a Dropper with rotten luck and an insane wife should never risk such a thing?

Somehow, this sister didn't come off very well, did she?

I wonder what Leonard Green has to say about his daughter having an affair with a married guy after he gave Rachel the third degree for having a child out of wedlock..

Loved his reaction.

Joey not knowing how to lie is a continuity error. We've seen him tell Monica and Chandler about how he fake numbers and fake names people. In the same episode he lies to Ross rather convincingly about not knowing that he was talking about sex. Bottom line, the man can lie without needing to get tips from Phoebe.

Wow! What's this? Are you saying that Joey & Phoebe are ignorant and ditzy? Are you alright? ;)

  • she thinks that Emma is Phoebe and her name is a funny

Well, Chandler more than Monica.

Can't blame her for worrying about the plates getting scratched but the cutting food in the air was stupid.

"There's your movie" lol

Another C&M moment - they were so cute here. While I was skimming through some threads, I found you and Marita discussing a list of C&M. Can I see that list again please?

Sure, it's okay for them to make fun of everyone else's babies.

I knew that was going to happen, when the gang clears up all the plates leaving just the one at the end of the table...

Let's hear a round of applause for Chandler. Wasn't it great to see him rise to the occasion the minute he saw that Monica needed his help. He did the same in Season 7 in TOW The Candy when her neighbours were threatening her for candy. Can you think of any other situation where he has come to her rescue like that or generally stand up and make a stand putting things right?

And Ross gets to have Joey if Chandler dies. lol. Chandler does see himself in a parental role when it comes to Joey, doesn't he?

So, Chandler got 45% off on his wedding suit? Did Monica get her dress from RL too? And even if she did, that dress was still bad.

Of course, we knew this was going to happen sometime before the episode was over. I wonder what happened after Monica found out about the plates. :)

Yeah, I wonder if we will see the youngest Green sister again?

I didn't find Chandler or the episode lamentable. He could have done better but he was smoking after all, something he knew wasn't good for him. So, that's probably why he didn't put his foot down.

However, I totally agree with your assessment of MP in this episode. He was just awesome. Go Chandler! So, great to see MP back on form.

809 isn't too big on my list of Thanksgiving episodes.

Yeah.

True

We saw Amy bite Rachel again during their cat fight in this episode, didn't we?

Do you think Gillian would have worked? I can't see her as Rachel's sister.

Who's this?

Kidman would have been good.

Oh, okay. Amy wasn't as impressive as Jill though.

Yeah, so Rachel's the oldest then? That's the image I got.

Christmas is only a month or so away..

Maybe, there wasn't any football match on that day.

Because it's Thanksgiving...

Well, there's another season to go. You better hope that Phoebe gets so mad at Monica one day that she middle names her.

They must have known at least by the time they got their invitations for Rachel's baby shower.

Yeah, it would have been fun to see the entire Green family at apartment 20. :)

It was nice that they were making references to past seasons.

Hehe. That bit was neat.

Hello? What about Ken Adams? the whole Europe story? lying to Kathy when he was dating that other girl. I'm sure there are many more instances of him lying.

He can hold down a lot of alcohol perhaps.

Of course, we did.

She must have thought it was the same PHD that Phoebe's weird date said in 817.

Nope.

As always.

"If it's okay with Monica, I'd like to bring Amy...". Rachel probably phoned and let Monica know about her sister coming for Dinner.

Maybe he doesn't break them but scratches them with all that food he is cutting up...

Phoebe knew that she wouldn't be able to hold the interest of Amy till she completes such a sentence.

I know! What's the matter with these writers? They can't remember such a important detail?

You wish :P

Maybe, they haven't forgotten the losing-Ben-on-the-bus fiasco.

I guess, you and a few others guys on ATF do.

Only to mock Monica.

Yeah. :)

Yeah, that was when Rachel was only a waitress, IIRC.

I didn't think it was so weak. She's hitting her sister, no matter how mad, I don't think anyone would want to cause any real damage.

Maybe, Phoebe was the strong one who did the major work in pinning Ross down while Rachel assisted.

We saw Monica pin down that woman in the TOW Cheap Wedding Dresses.

That was more fun because they were both main characters.

How could you see the padding when the diaper bag was blocking the box?

Well, we know that she used to steal melons.

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She loves him. :)

I knowwww!!!!

Amy probably didn't tell him. :)

Hehe (at first I read that as "Loved his erection.")

That's right. But what about lying to his producer?

What's wrong saying with that? At high school, Joey had sex instead of learning. Phoebe spent her high school years in a cardboard box.

He should be.

Phoebe did it, though. :)

Absolutely!

Yeah. :)

A list of C&M doing what?

Yep.

Indeed, it's Chekhov's gun.

Yaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah.

Absolutely.

Not OTTOMH, but I bet you that Marita can.

Yes he does, which is a curious reversal from Season Two...

CHANDLER: You guys are all gonna go off and get married, and I'm gonna
          end up alone. Will you promise me something? When you're married,
          will you invite me over for holidays?

JOEY: Well, I don't know. I don't know what we're gonna be doin'. I mean, what if we're at her folks' place?

MONICA: Which one of us is gonna be the first one to get married?

ROSS: Well, Mon, I was married.

PHOEBE: Yeah, me, too, technically.

RACHEL: I had a wedding.

JOEY: I got one. Which one of us do you think will be the last to get married? (They all look at Chandler.)

Good call! I don't know. Probably.

Didn't she hire it?

She looked mighty fine to me!

Maybe she never has.

I hope so. In fact, I'd like to see all three Green girls together.

Maybe they could form a netball with Monica, Phoebe & Ursula, and take on six of the Tribbiani sisters (the other one's in prison).

Yeah.

Thanks, sweetie!

Absolutely!

Oh well. :)

Right.

Ta.

Did we?

In those days we saw Any as being older than Rachel.

She was Mari's favourite. Check out "Bound".

Yeah.

Right. It's hard to match Reese Witherspoon.

Me too. :)

Yeah...

..but you'd think they'd let one festival pass before starting the next.

There always is on Thanksgiving.

Lol, you're very logical today. :) <ducks>

Please please please please please please please please please please!

Yes, you're right. :)

Absolutely.

Yeah, but through a distorting lens.

Yep.

Yeah, there are, Marita came up with a whole bunch of stuff.

They'll be in the new version of this review when 908 airs in Britain.

Could be, but it's more like he's not into it.

We did! :)

Hehe, yes - but the consensus is that it was the doctor thing.

Oh well.

Yeah, they were so cute together.

Ah yes, you're right. Thanks. :)

Tee-hee.

Lol! Poor Amy.

Well, even if they can't, David Schwimmer ought to.

It's possible!

Chandler was an equal part of that.

Grin. :)

Oh, say not so! She was being the loyal friend!

That's right (near the end of Season Two).

She was going easy on her?

Yeah well, that's exactly what I reckon, too. :)

Ooh, good point, yes.

And it was a much better cat-fight.

Diaper bag?

Sure sweetie, but I meant for a living, not just occasionally. :)

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On Wed, 12 Feb 2003 13:15:47 GMT, Tennant Stuart wrote:

Yeah. :)

hehe. Just the other day, in another thread, Andre had said something about sitting in a cave. On first glance, I read that as 'shitting in a cave'. :)

Ah, you mean he has trouble lying to his producer in particular. Maybe. It could be because he knows that he's messed up and hence his capacity to tell a convincing lie goes down.

oh kay...

Well, it's easier to cut up carrots in the air than turkey. :)

being cute. :)

Also, I'm with Amy on the baby not being *that* cute...

:)

Okay, then could you ask her?

<snip>

Oh, sure. We knew that from the minute they got engaged. He had the last laugh didn't he?

yeah

Did she? Was it mentioned on the show, cos I don't remember it.

The dress seemed too simple.

You think that Chandler convinced her that nothing happened to her plates?

why leave her out? she could be out on parole.

I saw the scene again and Amy only spat on her hand. First time, I saw that, I thought she bit her.

Who's Any? :P

I haven't seen Gillian Anderson in anything but X Files, so I can't imagine her portraying a Green sisters elder or younger.

True

Right, perhaps the Knicks weren't playing.

<hits Tennant when he comes back up>

Well, yes.

Oh okay, that's just a few days from now.

What makes you say that?

YW :)

He should but what does he know, he thought Mental Gellar was a great idea.

I hope it isn't. Monica Emily Gellar doesn't sound right to me.

They didn't jump up and hand over the baby to him just like that, did they?

Tee-hee

Either that or she might have been threatened by Amy and was playing safe. Probably the latter.

Yep.

:)

Are you asking me what a diaper bag is? :)

Anyway, I saw the scene again and I did see the black padding as the credits started. :)

She did leave on the streets for a while, she might have stolen for a living for a short while at least.

How come you haven't responded to my reply in your 906 thread? Didn't you get it? Should I post it again?

Can you repost your reply to me in the 909 thread again, I seemed to have lost it. Thanks.

Priya

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LOL!

Exactly so.

You don't have to cut up turkey, you just bite it.

Errr... can you think of anything that was on the list, please?

A distinctive word or two?

Ah well, me too.

K - I'll put it in its own little post so she'll see it.

Yes, Joey's story emphasised the shift.

He certainly did. I think that this was great, though others do mourn the old Chandler's passing. I'm just glad he's happy now.

I'm going by the discussion that followed my review.

What do you think of the dress she lost?

Oops, I was forgetting that Joey let the cat out of the bag. :)

Balance. Six girls in a team.

Ah.

Damn spell-checkers, passing perfectly correct words.

Well, first of all she'd revert to her natural hair colour.

They're a basketball team. :P

And here we are - and I decided not to put it in. :)

He's usually the one who fetches the sick bucket.

Sigh. I guess so.

It's not pretty. That's why she never says it.

Well, no...

<sulk>

Ah.

Yeah.

So, why is that a diaper bag?

I replied to it on Thursday. It's so big I split it into three parts.

Sure, sweetie. :)

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On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 21:03:06 GMT, Tennant Stuart wrote:

What was Amy cutting then?

Baby girl Chandler was cuter. :)

Ta

I wish he was happy and funny. But that's asking a lot these days.

Much better.

:)
:)
oops. :)

how come?

really? We saw him do that in 615, any others?

Could be.

The bag which has all the baby's things like diapers, feeding bottle and other necessary items. I was trying to see the padding in the scene where he is knocking the box down and the bag was blocking the view.

It isn't.

Gosh.

Thanks.

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When? Do you mean at 12:58, when she was angry?

Awww... absolutely, a wonderful Chandler & Chandler moment. :)

YW

Still waiting for a reply though - isn't the newsgroup quiet these days?

He's funny occasionally, he's just no longer hard-edged sarcastic, which I never really liked anyway.

Well, there you go then. That was the sacrifice she made for Chandler.

I dunno. Maybe I'm just a little fed up with certain people on this newsgroup who've been carping about us who like to go into detail.

Also in 322 "TOW the Screamer".

Oh, I get you now! I was thinking you meant a disposable bag inside the box. Look at the very end of the scene, just before the "VI" of "DAVID CRANE" goes over the top of it.

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On Tue, 25 Feb 2003 13:10:16 GMT, Tennant Stuart wrote:

Yes

Shows how much interest there is in the current season.

Yep.

hmmm

ok

You've snipped it but I did catch it.

Priya.

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Priya, you have replied to the same post twice.

It's very interesting to compare your replies.

This is just the top part, I've snipped the rest.

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(Lol, you said 'neither' in the other reply)

Well, Amy was making a point, not dining.

Sigh. Well, maybe it will perk up once a certain episode rolls over.

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On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 17:55:57 GMT, Tennant Stuart wrote:

That's what happens when you reply to the post and leave it in your outbox and the next day, you forge that you've already written a reply and type it out again. Then,open the outbox and send everything there without bothering to check anything. :)

Right. thanks

This was thanksgiving dinner and it's usually turkey on the menu. You said that turkey isn't cut up, so I asked what she was having.

I thought you avoided the slightest big of spoilers like the plague?

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Okay.

I do, before seeing the episode. This one already aired in the USA.

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On Sun, 02 Mar 2003 23:52:00 GMT, Tennant Stuart wrote:

Hmmm, no it hasn't. I'm thinking of a different episode, Tennant. :)

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Ah. Well, in that case I haven't read the spoiler yet.

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On Tue, 25 Feb 2003 13:10:16 GMT, Tennant Stuart wrote:

Neither. Just that she was cutting up some food.

Well, once a certain episode rolls over, there should be some a lot of posts here, I imagine.

You didn't like the jokes he made in the early seasons?

Sure.

ah.

For Kate Miller, yes. I couldn't find this when I did a search because the transcript mentions it as a garbage can...

Yes, I saw it.

Priya.

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Priya, you have replied to the same post twice.

It's very interesting to compare your replies.

This is the full reply, I've snipped the other one.

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(Lol, you said 'yes' in the other reply)

Was that before or after Monica's injunction?

Eep. Well, at least that's better than a lack of interest.

I didn't like his hard-edged sarcasm.

That's what it actually was, a sick bucket is what it became.

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On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 17:54:07 GMT, Tennant Stuart wrote:

I realised that *after* I'd posted it.

:)

No wonder, I had a feeling of deja vu. :)

It doesn't matter. All I'm saying is that it would be far easier for Phoebe to cut up her vegetables in the air than the others who didn't choose the veggie dishes.

That's what I said in the other reply, didn't I?

<shrug>

Ah, okay. It's been a long time since I've seen it.

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Hehe.

Oh dear, sweetie, you've had some bad turkey dinners, haven't you?

The meat should be so tender that it's practically falling apart.

Grin.

No worries. :)

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On Sun, 02 Mar 2003 23:50:48 GMT, Tennant Stuart wrote:

No, I haven't had any turkey dinners.

Okay.

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Ah. There you go then.

Okay.

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This is being posted to ask Marita Bakken a question...

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I can't OTTOMH - but can you, Marita?

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On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 21:04:25 GMT, Tennant Stuart wrote:

An interesting question, but it's kind of hard to figure out exactly what you guys are looking for since there are so many variations of him helping her out or coming to her rescue. Therefore, I decided to write down a list and just let you guys decide what you'd include: (* indicates more comfort than rescue.)

123 TOW the Birth - offers to have a child with her and grabs the phone so that she doesn't have to listen to Judy putting her down.

*306 TOW the Flashback - comforts her and tells her that she *should* have a boyfriend.

316 TOW the Flashback - runs into her bedroom together with Joey to "save" her and Phoebe.

323 TOW Ross's Thing - offers to go over to Pete's place and "water his plants" in case Pete decides to break up with Monica.

*325 TO At the Beach - offers to be her boyfriend.

401 TOW the Jellyfish - offers to be her boyfriend and pees on her jellyfish sting.

410 TOW the Girl From Poughkeepsie - comes up with the idea of her firing Joey in order to earn respect from her colleagues at Allessandros.

424 TOW Ross's Wedding, Part 2 - gives a whole new meaning to the term "helping a friend in need."

*509 TOW Ross's Sandwich - tries to take the heat off Monica and blame Joey after the naked picture incident.

*513 TOW Joey's Bag - comforts her when she's depressed about her awful massages.

515 TOW the Girl Who Hits Joey - faces off with Ross and defends their relationship.

*517 TOW Rachel's Inadvertent Kiss - turns Screechy Monica into Sweet Monica by talking some sense into her.

*612 TOW the Joke - tells her that even though that the others think she's high maintenance, he's fine with her quirks.

616 TO That Could Have Been, Part 2 - "deflowers" a desperate Fat Monica in an alternative universe.

625 TOW the Proposal Part 2 - faces off with Richard and fights for her. (The blooper version of the kitchen scene would probably have been even better.)

702 TOW Rachel's Book - offers to pay for their wedding.

*706 TOW the Nap Partners - promises that his love for her has nothing to do with her appearance.

709 TOW All the Candy - tells all the candy-people to go home.

714 TOW They All Turn Thirty - tries his best to hide the fact that she's wasted at her surprise party, but eventually fails.

807 TOW the Stain - hires a maid to help Monica, but it backfires.

810 TOW Monica's Boots - carries her home (fifteen blocks) since she can't walk in her new boots.

818 TO In Massapequa - offers to help her beat the crap out of the Gellers.

This episode...

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In article , [email] (Marita Bakken) wrote:

Sorry, I should gave been clearer. What Priya & I are looking for are earlier examples of Chandler showing that he is (or would be) an good husband by either coming to Monica's rescue, or demonstrating fatherly qualities by making a stand to put things right.

Thankyou so much Marita, you're very kind.

Oh, okay. I'll reply with either "paternal", "rescue", or "comfort".

Gosh yes, an excellent early example - paternal *and* rescue.

Yep - comfort.

Ah, this is a tricky one, Marita. It definitely falls into the "rescue" category, but was it Chandler's idea, or did he merely follow his best friend's lead? Joey is also fiercely protective, especially of Rachel.

Oop, I've forgotten all about that one <checks> ah, now here it's not a rescue, he's being paternal, (with an element of comfort). Chandler sees Pete as a possible wrongdoer who deserves punishment, while his non-violent approach also demonstrates excellent paternal qualities.

Eeshk, a reminder of tricky times, where I gloatingly boasted that I had been correct all through Season 3, because Chandler & Monica were *definitely* about to get together, as I had predicted - except maybe poor Matthew Perry might not even survive to make a fourth season...

(Yes, it was comfort by the way)

..and how we all cheered up to see Matthew Perry looking so great that nobody complained about the continuity error; yet much to my chagrin I was wrong about Chandler & Monica after all. Grrrrrrrr.

Anyway, this falls into the "rescue" category, especially since he made such a great sacrifice, putting Monica's needs before his.

Hmmm... I'm not sure about this one. I've already voiced my concerns about 316; and here it was Joey who stepped up, even though it was originally Chandler's suggestion.

LOL yes - and I'm afraid I *so* gloated to be proved correct after all!

Rescue. One might argue that this was not a rescue since Chandler was doing awfully well out of the deal; but then he did risk an awful lot, since for all he knew he'd end up losing his best female friend.

This was also where I *knew* that I was no longer an RnR fan, (of course I wasn't really for ages but this made me sure), since I did not for one microsecond fall for the whole Wrong Name At The Altar hoopla, while I was on cruel tenterhooks about how Monica would react to recent events.

What? <checks> Yes, if anything it's not comfort either. Here Rachel went charging to Monica's rescue, and then Joey bravely took the fall, while Chandler remembered how Ross would treat him, and traduced his friend.

But well done sweetie, for recalling that example.

Ah yes, comfort. Also, we learnt that the other Geller sibling gets a second entry in the dictionary - as well as pulling a Monica, one might win a monica; just as one might grow a ross, or even ross a document.

What? He was about to go on the lam, and Monica rescued him!

Yeah, comfort - though she wasn't really screeching.

Ah, now here Monica was screeching, but Chandler was *so* charming, and it was lovely the way she just melted. Yep, comfort again.

Lol, that's our hero, to the rescue again! This might be from an alternative universe, but it's still a valid character reference.

Oh no, Chandler was fighting for her on his on behalf, he wasn't rescuing her from the evil Richard or anything.

Lol, that was a rescue, though Richard had the situation in hand...

Well, I think we can call this paternal, since that was Jack's duty.

Awwww... the so cute "carry you around in my pocket" scene. :)

Yep, comfort.

Oh yes, very parental - and note that at the start he was parental with Ben, who called him "Daddy".

Yep, rescue.

Oh. I don't see how this counts.

Very rescue.

Really? <checks> Oh, that wasn't genuine.

Very parental.

Oh, that was more for himself, wasn't it?

Definitely rescue, but his attitude was also very parental.

Thankyou so much Marita, I don't know what we'd do without you. :)

My scoring is Paternal - 5, Rescue - 6, Comfort - 6, Unproven - 8.

What do you think, Priya?

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On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 22:35:06 GMT, [email] (Marita Bakken) wrote:

Thanks for all your help. I was looking for instances where we see Chandler assert himself and prevail in problem situations for Monica or any of the other five. For example, he speaks up for Phoebe when they get home and find the apartment an absolute mess, thanks to the triplets.

I suppose that counts.

hehe, yeah. But this one doesn't make my list though.

He stands his ground here, so it counts.

Thanks, I had this already.

Yep.

I think it counts because we see him take a tough stand with his stand about the working christmas thing.

Haven't seen this one yet. Tennant?

Thanks again, Marita. :)

Priya

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In article , p r i y a wrote:

Chandler rescued the person in a paternal way.

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In uk.media.tv.friends on Sat, 30 Nov 2002 at 18:05:24, Tennant Stuart wrote :

BTW, Digiguide have screwed up their summary of this episode, they gave the description for S6-13 instead of this one!

PS, the title is all I know of this episode, so no other spoilers please.

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Oh dear.

Quite so.

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In uk.media.tv.friends on Thu, 13 Feb 2003 at 01:28:17, Tennant Stuart wrote :

OK, so I do also know who is the guest-star.

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Well, it's not a big surprise, like last year.

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In alt.tv.friends on Wed, 12 Feb 2003 at 08:55:17, Paul Hyett wrote :

It's sorted now, apparently.

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Yay!

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