FOX finally drops the ax.

May 16, 2002, 12:26 PM ET42 posts by 14 posters
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Blowfly

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In my six years of covering television, I've never seen a more bizarre series of events transpire than those that did late last night. In what can easily be called one of the biggest 11th hour moves in recent memory, FOX has ripped one series from life while resurrected another from death. "Dark Angel," which had previously been reported as renewed (read the original story) has now been canceled in favor of the Joss Whedon drama "Firefly." It seems that FOX never gave the James Cameron produced series a formal commitment as executives had planned to renew "Dark Angel" in reaction to their disappointment over "Firefly's" two-hour pilot. However in the past few days the prolific Whedon took it upon himself to pen a new pilot script that impressed FOX executives enough to go with "Firefly" instead. A new one-hour pilot will be shot with the previous two-hour pilot being repurposed for later in the season. With production costs of both series being two of the network's most expensive, insiders say executives felt that they could only financially support one of the two series next season leading to the "one or the other" situation.

Meanwhile in a reverse of the situation, "Andy Richter Controls the Universe" which previously had been reported as canceled (read Variety's production report) has now been picked up for a second season by FOX for midseason 2003. Some slight changes to the format of the show are expected. This news is especially interesting in light of the network's official cancellation of "Titus," "Family Guy," "Undeclared," "Greg the Bunny" and "That '80s Show" as both "Titus" and "Undeclared" finished the season with higher average ratings than "Andy."

Speaking of "That '80s Show," series star Chyler Leigh (the spikey-haired Tuesday) didn't have to wait long before landing new work - the young actress has landed one of the three lead roles in FOX's new drama "Girls Club." Leigh will join Gretchen Mol and Kathleen Robertson in the series about a trio of young lawyers in San Francisco.

Despite all these moves however, FOX's fall schedule will mirror that which we're reported over the past few days - a switch to a six-comedy format on Sundays with changes across the board save for Saturdays, which will remain home to "Cops" and "America's Most Wanted." Mondays will see "Boston Public" followed by the David E. Kelley drama "Girls Club." Tuesdays see the return of "That '70s Show" and "24" in their current slots where they will be joined by the third season of "Grounded for Life." "Bernie Mac" and "The Cedric Show" will take up residence in the Wednesday, 8:00/7:00c hour followed by the action-drama "Fast Lane." Thursdays have two low-cost reality series - "30 Seconds to Fame" and "Meet the Marks" - in the 8:00/7:00c and 8:30/7:30c slots respectively with teen drama "The Septuplets" at 9:00/8:00c. Fridays have "Firefly" opening the night followed by mystery-drama "John Doe." Sundays see the previously expected lineup of "Futurama," "Oliver Beene," "The Simpsons," "King of the Hill," "Malcolm in the Middle" and "The Grubbs."

For midseason commitments are out to the comedies "The Pitts" and "Andy Richter" with impending orders for "The Time Tunnel" and "Keen Eddy."

CAndersen (Kimba)Blowfly

On Thu, 16 May 2002 16:26:04 GMT, [email] (Blowfly) wrote:

How unofficial is it if there's no room in the schedule for the shows?

I guess I'll have more free time, since Fox killed 4 of their 7 shows I watch, and is offering nothing worthwhile in exchange.

Oh, goodie. Time to milk another 60s show. This one was already reworked once, as Quantum Leap. Will Fox supply us with No-Doz to go with it?

mcwrapperCAndersen (Kimba)

On Thu, 16 May 2002 18:09:49 GMT, [email] (CAndersen)

The only thing that QL had in common with TT is that it was about a man traped in time. Thats it. The rest of the QL story was normal time storys.

Now if you want to make a link with it and sliders I will go with you on that.

CAndersen (Kimba)mcwrapper

On Thu, 16 May 2002 19:54:26 GMT, David Walker wrote:

I don't feel like arguing about QL, but I had forgotten about Sliders. That probably is a better parallel, especially since it shows Fox is rehashing their own past.

Stalky T FishBlowfly

Yet further proof that the Fox programming people are on Crack.

Oooooooh. Really breaking new ground there...

Looks like Simpsons, Futurama (what there is of it), and 24 will be the extent of my Fox viewing next season. I'll give Firefly a shot, but if it turns out to be another crock like "Space: Above and Beyond", that's it.

...Sean.
Rufus GriffinBlowfly

On Thu, 16 May 2002 16:26:04 GMT, [email] (Blowfly) wrote:

Does this mean that the show is dead and buried with practically no chance of any network ever picking it up? I'm a big fan of "Family Guy" and ever since the news came out that UPN was possibly interested in the show, I've been e-mailing UPN almost every week and writing a letter to Dawn Tarnofsky Ostroff every few weeks. Judging by the apathy on this newsgroup and in the "Family Guy" community in general, am I just deluding myself in these efforts. Should I just let this one go? Is it a case of 'move along now...nothing to see here' or will these letters and efforts to show that interest is still alive in the show make a difference?

I like the show too much to just let it die like this. I am willing to put in my own time and effort to help revive it as I'm sure many other hardcore fans are. In an effort to maximize the effectiveness of our efforts to get another network to pick it up, I'd like to know how best to direct our hard work. Anyone?

Phil7101Rufus Griffin

I think if it was going to happen with UPN, there would have been at least some word of it by now...but don't give up :)

YamiyugiRufus Griffin

On Thu, 16 May 2002 21:57:51 GMT, [email] (Rufus Griffin) wrote:

I'd rather Comedy Channel pick it up since they would be able to get away with more of the stuff they do on their, UPN is a kiss of death to any show it picks up from another channel

BTW why cancel undeclared and titus (Titus being one of the funniest shows in the their lineup) if they had ratings just as high as andy richter's

also does anyone have an idea of what 24 will be about next season, i better not see jack bauer as the star of next season >.<

Yamiyugimcwrapper

On Fri, 17 May 2002 03:57:07 GMT, David Walker wrote: *coughs* roswell Jaimie Foxx The Hughleys Sister Sister *cough cough*

Sweet Zombie JesusYamiyugi

"Yamiyugi" wrote in message news:[email]...

Pesonally I'm glad to see Titus go, as I felt it was a truly awful show....but regardless of my opinion, it was getting decent ratings and had fans.....this just further shows what idiots run Fox's programming department, and since they don't seem to be getting fired, I wish cancer on all of them.

-Greg "Hello floor!!! Make me a sammich!!!!" -GIR, Invader Zim
Rufus GriffinSweet Zombie Jesus

On Fri, 17 May 2002 05:10:47 GMT, "Sweet Zombie Jesus" wrote:

I think Chris Sheridan might have something to say on that 'Titus' issue :-) Did you know him personally during your time on the show? He wrote my favorite episode "I Am Peter, Hear Me Roar" and a bunch of other great episodes. That second season production halt sure did ruffle up the staff of the show. Damn Fox to hell !!

Sweet Zombie JesusRufus Griffin

"Rufus Griffin" wrote in message

My issue w/ Titus is not the writing staff...it's the fact that everyone on the show screams, the delivery is off, Titus himself just isn't a funny guy (and he's scary looking), and I hate the black and white "I'm gonna tell you what happens in this scene and then show you the scene" scenes.

That's an awesome episode......anyway, I didn't know him.....I was only on 3rd season.

-Greg "Hello floor!!! Make me a sammich!!!!" -GIR, Invader Zim
Phillip RoncoroniSweet Zombie Jesus

"Sweet Zombie Jesus" wrote in message news:rh0F8.3419$[email]...

had

on

Plus the show's budget couldn't have been very high at all.

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Phil7101Yamiyugi

I heard that too, but then a recent story said it would be sticking with the real-time format; I guess it really is up in the air. Apparently it will take place after Palmer becomes president, and Jack is working for him. Well I read that on the internet, so take it with a pinch of salt...

BlowflyYamiyugi

24 is going to be episodic next year. Each episode will cover 24 hours.

In article , Yamiyugi wrote:

Phillip RoncoroniBlowfly

"Blowfly" wrote in message news:ux8F8.45920$[email]...

No, this was an idea FOX was kicking around in an attempt to maximize ratings, but they decided to keep the realtime format since that's what makes the show '24.'

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DacPhillip Roncoroni

Realtime, huh?

Funny, last time I checked, 24 hours in realtime amounted to, uh, 24 hours.

One show a week spread over 8/9 months doesn't add up to "realtime" to me.

Chris ArrasDac

Yeah, i mean, if they wanted to go the realtime format they should have just gone all the way and showed all the episodes in a row. That would be a true test the viewers and a commercial hit im sure [/sarcasm]

Realtime in this sence means one hour on the show, takes one hour of real time. I hope I am not really explaining that to you.

"Homer J. Simpson" wrote in message news:yTrG8.23092$f5.1968645@news...

hours.

hours.

DacChris Arras

"Chris Arras" wrote in message news:IlsG8.4869$[email]...

just

true

Not at all, but I would appreciate it if someone would explain the real meaning of "real time" to Fox execs. To me it appears like they've latched on this like it's the latest buzzword. I cringe every time I hear it.

Bao H. LammyDac

The format *is* real-time. 24 hours in real-time amounted to 24 hours just as you said. The fact that it is one episode per week doesn't change the fact that each episode is shown in real-time. What do you expect? A 24/7 channel like in The Truman Show? Anyway, nothing to stop you from recording every episode before watching any and watching 24 episodes in 24 hours.

Phillip RoncoroniYamiyugi

"Hundsfurtz" wrote in message news:[email]...

No, they're sticking with the real time format.

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poldyPhillip Roncoroni

In article , "Phillip Roncoroni" wrote:

How plausible will it be that the same guy has another action-packed 24 hours in his life?

Really they should have just done a few story arcs, each featuring a crisis that he has to defuse. Because the lengths to which the Drazens go after his family and Palmer just isn't that plausible.

It was a great premise to begin with, an assasination conspiracy which also targets the spy who'd stop it. And Bauer's motives and character is pretty simple, to preserve his family at all costs. But I think something along what Wiseguy did with different story arcs and the agent having second thoughts because he ultimately got close to the people he took down.

NuQPhillip Roncoroni

"Hundsfurtz" wrote in message news:[email]...

I've never watched it, but I wonder why they couldn't do a 5 minute recap at the beginning of each episode to catch people up?

Phillip RoncoroniNuQ

"NuQ" wrote in message news:95JF8.515167$[email]...

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at

They do.

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Phillip RoncoroniPhillip Roncoroni

"Hundsfurtz" wrote in message news:[email]...

There was a press release or something of that nature posted by somebody on FOX's 24 forum. They're keeping the realtime nature of the show, because FOX's president of entertainment acknowledges that it's basically the essencse of the show.

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YamiyugiPhillip Roncoroni

On Sun, 19 May 2002 17:27:27 GMT, "Phillip Roncoroni" wrote:

In all honesty that was what kept me watching was the real time thing, and trying to find out what happened net, i missed one episode and i was totally lost and the 5 minute recap trust me doesnt help at all

Stalky T FishYamiyugi

Fox has plenty of shows for people that don't want to provide such dedication.

That, and the excellent writing (up until the end of last week's episode.. you know what I mean) are what kept me watching.

It is pretty useless, but that's why they rerun it several times on FX. I'm hoping they will do a 24 hour marathon this summer on FX.

...Sean.
Phillip RoncoroniYamiyugi

"Yamiyugi" wrote in message news:[email]...

cancellation of

Show" as

ratings

Early rumors have Palmer in the White House, and Jack running a special assignment for him. Sutherland will be back for sure, but no word on the rest of the cast.

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Sweet Zombie JesusRufus Griffin

"Rufus Griffin" wrote in message

It's done, baby.....if it means anything, all Fox has left on their station is crap....except for the remaining unaired Futuramas. Politically Incorrect was just cancelled by ABC....I pretty much have no reason to watch network TV at all now. Oh well, more time to kill w/ my new Xbox. Word.

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Sweet Zombie JesusPhil7101

"Phil7101" wrote in message news:[email]...

It just came in the mail this morning..the new price & great shipping/freebie deal from ebgames was too much to pass up......I got Munch's Oddysee, Spiderman and the suberb Jet Set Radio Future.

-Greg "Hello floor!!! Make me a sammich!!!!" -GIR, Invader Zim
Phillip RoncoroniSweet Zombie Jesus

"Sweet Zombie Jesus" wrote in message news:GMlF8.1705$[email]...

Is JSR:F better than JSR?

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Sweet Zombie JesusPhillip Roncoroni

"Phillip Roncoroni" wrote in message news:W_sF8.18045

Is this to imply that JSR was bad, or that JSR was misunderstood genious and this is even better?

I loved JSR...it's one of my favorite games and is just so brilliant in so many different ways...from the visuals to the soundtrack, to the thrill and skill of the gameplay.

The new one is kind of a remake but with new techniques, no time limit, no contoller-swirls for graffiti, better visuals, 60fps, amazing 5.1 surround and more amazing songs (w/ cool remixes of songs from the first). For me, JSR was the reason to own a DC and now the reason to own an Xbox.

-Greg "Hello floor!!! Make me a sammich!!!!" -GIR, Invader Zim
Phillip RoncoroniSweet Zombie Jesus

"Sweet Zombie Jesus" wrote in message news:l%yF8.4598$[email]...

and

The latter.

and

I've read numerous impressions that JSR:F is a huge dissapointment compared to the original, and that's why I was asking.

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Sweet Zombie JesusPhillip Roncoroni

"Phillip Roncoroni" wrote in message news:LBAF8.3581

compared

Based on what I've played so far - I like the less-futuristic designs of the original better (not to say the new ones are bad..but Yo Yo and Combo looked cooler before), I like Onimishima better than the new gay cop, and I liked doing the controller-spinnies for tagging. What I like better is the 60fps framerate, 5.1 surround, remixes of my favorite songs from the first, awesome new FX and little touches like birds on the rooftops

On the other hand, it's familiar enough to be as fun as the first w/ techniques tweeked enough to make it a very different game. Kinda like Tony Hawk 2 and 3....2 was all about air tricks and 3 is more about grinding and linking manuals as long as you can....they're similar but have a different strategy....but both good.

-Greg "Hello floor!!! Make me a sammich!!!!" -GIR, Invader Zim
YamiyugiSweet Zombie Jesus

On Sat, 18 May 2002 20:40:49 GMT, "Sweet Zombie Jesus" wrote:

so in essence its not a remake but a sequel

Phil7101Sweet Zombie Jesus

Yeah I can't believe they knocked $100 off the price of an X-box so soon, only 6 months after its release! Wonder if this means its a disaster...

Sweet Zombie JesusPhil7101

"Phil7101" wrote in message news:[email]...

only

I don't have time to be a cheerleading fanboy anymore. Nothing will ever be as disappointing as the premature killing of the Dreamcast. After that, I have no other expectations other than to get a decent library of games I want.....Xbox is sort of my Dreamcast 2 - as long as I've got Jet Set Radio Future, Panzer Dragoon Orta, Crazy Taxi 3, and Toejam and Earl 3, that's good enough for me.

-Greg "Hello floor!!! Make me a sammich!!!!" -GIR, Invader Zim
YamiyugiSweet Zombie Jesus

On Sun, 19 May 2002 05:59:36 GMT, "Sweet Zombie Jesus" wrote:

actually from what ive read microsft was losing approx. $100 on each X-Box sold due to costs of manufaturing and that they wont make a profit for about 3 years, and them moving it down another $100 is gonna double and few systems actually last 3 years

YamiyugiYamiyugi

On Mon, 20 May 2002 08:00:37 GMT, "Sweet Zombie Jesus" wrote: Heh I agree with you on that, there are some games i wanna play for it and thats exactly why i plan on getting it, oh yeah that and gamecube

Rufus GriffinSweet Zombie Jesus

On Fri, 17 May 2002 05:08:47 GMT, "Sweet Zombie Jesus" wrote:

Ok, I hear what you're saying. I don't want to beat a dead horse but I'm somewhat new to the show cancellation/renewal thing (truth is, I never really cared about a show that much to get involved until "Family Guy").

It makes sense logically that since the show is cancelled there is very little chance of new episodes being shown. I mean the list of cancelled shows looking for new homes is huge. Especially since FOX seems to have a vendetta against it. But surely there is something the fans can do to prompt another network to consider it? I mean, are we just supposed to tuck our tails in between our legs and run along? Call me naive and idealistic but something as good as "Family Guy" is worth fighting (figuratively speaking) for.

I know everyone went above and beyond call during 'the diaper and baby food rally' and even now I've seen the petition and the hundreds of posts where people have sent letters to FOX. I'm not implying we haven't done enough but I'd like to know what we can do now that it's cancelled. Bottom line: There are still idiots like me clinging on to the fantasy that there is something we (the remaining fans) can do to help bring the show back on air. So, if you were a member of the production team, how would go about exploiting free labor like that? Write letters to UPN/other networks? Devise new internet content to keep people interested in the show? Spread propaganda about the perils the show has had to endure? I don't know, like I said I don't have much experience.

I have one last stand in me before I too bend over and take one from corporate America. I'd like to go out knowing that whatever I did made a difference in our efforts to resurrect the show.