Nuh-uh. A female circumcision _could_ be _just_ the removal of the clitoral hood and therefore, the female equal of the removal of the foreskin covering the glans of the penis which is considered MGM, male genital mutilation.
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01-12-2006, 05:43 PM #21
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Also, D.O.C.'s video, "The Prepuce" is a great intro to the anatomy and physiology of the foreskin. You can find it on this page, part way down, under "Medical School Curriculum":
http://www.doctorsopposingcircumcision.org/
It's about 20 minutes long, and a bit monotone, but facinating!
I think few parents could watch the video and still circumcise, knowing what they're taking away from their child.
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Apparently (and I saw a TV show about this), there are no medical reasons for having a circumcision. You don't even need it to be Jewish or Muslim (nowhere does it state in any holy book that you should be snipped, just that the some of the first Jews (protojews?) did it to signify their covenant with God (kind of like penile gang colours). The reason most Americans are circumcised is because it rakes in hundreds of millions of dollars a year in medical bills. If the same institution that decides whether certain procedures are ethical or medically warranted profits from their popularity, then that's a massive conflict of interest. It's like if Jiffy-Lube decided the minimum amount of oil required in a car - if they said "more", they'd make more money, and no-one could argue with them.
Of course, if you ask American doctors about it (not all, just most), they'll cite various "cases" and "studies" where it's been proven to have medical benefits. Which is true. They say "if you have a circumcision, you don't get foreskin cancer", which is very, very true. Just like if you cut someone's breasts off, they won't get breast cancer. Perform hysterectomies, at voila - no more womb illnesses. Specious reasoning, folks. Hundreds of millions of dollars a year's worth.
And in 1980, when the accademy of pediatrics said "don't do it!", Australia listened and the circ rate plunged! I've talked to a couple gay guys online in their 20's and they say it's only one (1) in five (5) who's (born after 1980 and is) circumcised.
Says the man who elected a guy to illegally spy on U.S. conversations to no avail for fruitful results for all the illegal actions. Nice. Keep blabbing.
No, I didn't elect illegal spying or the war, or Bush. I'm pretty sure Bush lost both the 2000 election and the 2004 election. It's just an unfortunate quirk around here (the U.S.) that the loser can get the White House once in a while. And one hell of a loser sure did!!
By the way, the illegal wiretapping isn't only on Americans. They're listening to transmissions between the US and foreign points as well. So watch what you say if you call from Canada or England to the US. Or even between any other 2 countries... if you think self-appointed King George respects international law more than he respects US law, you better think again.
But for me, I voted for Al Gore in 2000 -- the first time I could vote. And I voted for John Kerry in 2004. I knew what Bush was from the start. But not enough people read between the lines and here we are. In 2004, Bush and his thugs convinced the naive Christian fundamentalists basically that if gay marriage were outlawed, the economy would get better, the war in Iraq would succeed, and everything would work out. And they all fell for it. I'm still waiting for the Democrats to act like the opposition they claim to be. Have no doubt, we're right on the edge of fascism here, and we might just slip and go the wrong way. I hope not.
I don't understand why the right wing fundamentalists are so against gay marraige. Adulterers are allowed to marry. Murderers, rapists, secularists, are allowed to marry. Child abusers, people who kill their parents, and extortionists are allowed to marry. You can smear political opponents, accept bribes, belong to a corrupt political party and you are still allowed to marry. You can even manufactor intelligence and lie us into a war and you are still allowed to marry.
Are the Christian fundamentalists telling us that homosexuality is worse than all of those. There are hundreds of sins listed in the bible. Last I looked, heterosexuality didn't even get voted one of the top ten. ------------------------------------------------ Jesus loves you even if you vote Republican. http:://defendUSA.blogspot.com www.cafepress.com/bush_doggers
The initial reasoning was that masturbation caused insanity, and that circumcision stopped masturbation. Both are wrong, of course. At the moment, the fact that the operations raise millions of dollars every year means doctors have a vested interest in performing them, regardless of whether they are actually medically warranted or not. I don't think that's what Hippocrates had in mind.
Perhaps you need to be hit over the head with a circumcised SHLONG, because last I checked, the US of A had the largest and most technologically powerful economy in the world, with a per capita GDP of $36,300, and a purchasing power of $10.082 trillion and climbing. Remember, F with America and you awake the sleeping tiger!! The American dollar is the world's currency! When America sneezes, the entire world catches a cold! Like it or not, America is the haves, and everyone else is the have-nots. A country that exports its creations around the world. You read our books, watch our t.v. and films, eat our foods, wear our clothing, benefit from our medical and scientific discoveries. Who ya gonna call when your country is in dire straits!? America, that's who! A country that is the number one supplier of humanitarian & military aid to impoverished countries. More than any other country in the world, millions of immigrants continue to flock to its shores. They continue to risk life & limb to reach the land of the free and the home of the brave!! And while nothing is ever guaranteed in this world, America comes pretty darn close. It affords one every opportunity at a better existence. As for hygiene & the uncircumcised? Another Foreskinstein (coined by yours [address]) flunky of human anatomy [address] SHNOOKY, while penile hygiene is said to protect against the complications of the uncircumcised state, there is actually no study to show any benefits to penile hygiene, nor any practical way to do such a study, considering the problem of documenting scrupulous hygiene over long period of time. Soap (irritant) has been known to exacerbate the existing foreskin condition, causing the bacteria (smegma) to multiply! When you have a moist fold of skin that continually harbors bacteria, "cleanliness" is nothing more than pure "fantasy." ie. Studies of middle class British [97, 182] and Scandanavian [157] schoolboys concluded that penile hygiene, as such, is at best poor and at worst non-existent. Furthermore, Dr Terry Russell, an Australian medical practitioner and circumcision expert states: "What man after a night of passion is going to perform penile hygiene before rolling over and snoring the night away (with pathogenic organisms multiplying in the warm moist environment under the prepuce)" [182]. The bacteria start multiplying again immediately after washing and contribute, along with skin secretions, to the whitish film, termed 'smegma', that is found under the foreskin. Bacteria give off an offensive odor. Men differ in their sensitivity to this smell and some shower several times a day as a result. Some uncircumcised men, and/or their partners, find the stench so unpleasant that the smell has caused these men to seek a circumcision on this basis alone. Penile hygiene is often difficult to achieve and attempting a very high degree of hygiene in uncircumcised men can result in new dermatological problems. For mothers and fathers, it is far easier to maintain cleanliness of their son's penis if it is circumcised. If their son isn't the messages are confusing: should they clean under the foreskin or leave it alone?" -D, NYC "Everywhere around the world, they're coming to America..every time that flags unfurled, they're coming to America" - NEIL DIAMOND (umpteenth sweet, Jewish NYer - one of the top 100 selling artists of all-time).."The most beloved anthem in American history was written by a Jew - "GOD BLESS AMERICA" by IRVING BERLIN (raised in NYC)
And how come such powerful and smart guys aren't clever enough to wash their circumsised schwangs ?
If America really was that powerful you guys wouldn't needto go to Iraq to kill thousands of innocent people and get your butts kicked in the process, and if you were so righteous and courageous the problems in Israel or North Korea. But unlike Iraq those countries do possess weapon of mass destruction and the will to use them against any agressor, funny you big strong fat assed americans don't have the gutts to there.
Back tho the subject, like all really advanced people I shower everyday and my dick is part of the process, it comes out bright and clean and no odour whatsoever pal.
If you can hold it to fuck you can hold it under the shower and use a bar of soap on it, or are you one of those perverts whose feel an urge to wank each time they touch it ?
You're quite correct. Simply washing with soap and water before and after by men and women eliminates most disease. I failed to mention it but studies done years ago in France where bidets are common proved that venereal diseases can be prevented for the most part by simply washing.
It's fading.
When America sneezes, the
This is typical of this ilk. Instead of thanking their good luck and fortuitous events that gave them what they have, they brag haha
You know, I think you're going to have a very rude awakening one day lol
A country that exports its creations around the world. You
Why do you keep saying "our". You're just a prole with a cheap computer.
Who ya
But the question is-are they taking care of their own. America, like every other country, gives only when it can get some benefit from giving.
You're a jew right?
(coined by
You're really stupid, even for a jew.
You wash before fool lol You and the female. Or in your case, the male.
(with pathogenic organisms multiplying in
Have you ever seen it? lol
Bacteria give off an offensive odor.
I'm whole and can tell you that many gf's have said to me that I'm the cleanest man they have ever known.
that the smell has caused these men to
You're nuts. Why don't you just admit you're a jew and you've been brainwashed to believe in this primitive fertility ritual, circumcision. Even if we could prove to you beyond any doubt that being uncut was healthier, you would still resist due to your crazy religious beliefs.
Penile hygiene is often
jew schmuck list cut
This guy is a religiously deluded jew. If Abraham cut off his ear instead of his foreskin they would be pushing ear cutting because it prevents ear infections lol
Wasn't Diana an example on caring for AIDS victims, and in getting rid of land mines? So what if Camilla's son is cut or not? Does this confer some sort of privilege?
You got it, [address] Prince Charles was circumcised by a MOHEL (Jewish circumciser on the eighth day of life). Queen Victoria believed that her family descended from King David and sanctioned circumcision. While the mohel should have circumcised his ears instead (ehe), the upper classes tend to be circumcised, the lower classes less so!! If you want to go from the low-life to the high-life, treat yourself to a simple, safe & beneficial circumcision. In the land of the free and the home of the brave, no woman worth her salt would ever come within two inches of Chimp's foreskinned [address] Penile posture is just as important as body posture. Society frowns upon slouches and slackers!! 'Tis always better to hold your soldier's helmet high than to have it slouch like an [address] As is the case with smegma-strewn Europe, certain stereotypes do ring true!! In the February 18, 1999 issue of "Time Magazine," the journalist Calvin Trillin writes about his experience in France, writing that "some friends of mine returned form a stay in Provence last week, and I had to restrain myself from asking how the French are smelling these days". This quasi-humorous remark is, however, not without foundation. Statistics about the level of personal hygiene in many European countries make for some really disturbing reading. e.g. according to an article that appeared in the "New York Times" (most prestigious periodical in the world - founded by sweet Jew Adolph Ochs) not so long ago, only 47% of the French bathe on a daily basis. LOL! -D, NYC "The first sex symbol in movie history was Jewish" - THEDA BARA (b. Goodman).."The star of the "first" talkie was Jewish" - AL JOLSON (b. 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Not everyone in the UK in as unlucky as you! I amd tightly circumcised and delighted to be so. The NHS is against circumcision because of the cost, but many private clinics in the UK are very busy doing circumcisions and revisions. I was cut as an adult, so I know what things are like "On both sides of the knife" and I wouldn't have a foreskin back for a kings ransome. My wife, who originally encouraged me to have my (completely normal and functional) foreskin removed, much prefers my circumcised state too. Women who have tried both, usually much prefer circumcised men. Thw problem in the UK is that young women mostly have no chance to experience sex with a circumcised man. Older women, of my wifes generation (she's 55) know better!
Yeah! 'Cos who wants a soft mucus membrane when they can have a calcified glans instead :) All that extra sensation from the foreskin, which has the highest density of nerve endings in the male human body, must surely be bad. ;)
Most in the UK would counter that they were the lucky ones, not you. Can we please see some studies regarding women who have tried both preferring circumcised men? The last study I saw from Britain said that women who had had both circumcised and uncircumcised men preferred uncircumcised men, by four to one.
You'll get half a dozen women or more here who have been with both intact (uncircumcised/uncut) men and circumcised (cut) men and say they prefer the man with foreskin as a satisfying lover.
"Taylor" wrote in message news:7EAzf.7717$[email]...
Because he lasts longer, because he has less sensation in the bits that count... Not to mention the overwhelming (and grossly incorrect) idea in the US that an uncircumcised penis is less clean than a circumcised one. Miseducation plays a massive part in this whole debacle.
I don't care how much experience you have of dicks, you clearly are completely unaware of the facts. You make that more and more obvious with every post. Keep them coming.
Not according to The London Times Survey by Dr. T. Stuttaford (1996): Experienced Women & Prostitutes: 90% preferred sex with circumcised men because it was more hygenic and pleasurable. As for the ongoing soap & water excuse? Sorry, but it just doesn't wash! eh Soap (irritant) can actually exacerbate the existing foreskin condition, causing the bacteria (smegma) to multiply. That in turn gives off more cottage cheese-like fumes! You can scrub your smelly PUTZ like an incessant marsupial in the wild, and it shall never prevent the production or accumulation of smegma. As long as foreskin exists, so shall smegma (pre-cancerous gunk) and every other lovely ill that is associated with the male prepuce. While penile hygiene is said to protect against the complications of the uncircumcised state, there is actually no study to show any benefits to penile hygiene, nor any practical way to do such a study, considering the problem of documenting scrupulous hygiene over long period of time. It doesn't take an EINSTEIN (guess what his religion and circumcision status was?ehe) to know that if you remove an impediment that has been known to cause pain & infection, you will have improved hygiene and better sexual function on average. If foreskin is such a healthy appendage, why does it continually necessitate medical intervention? Why has society been able to exist without it for centuries? Yes, if one was Neanderthal man, foreskin may have protected you from high grass and shrubbery, in addition to sexual predators during coitus. But for God's sakes, humans have evolved. We now wear clothing and undergarments as our protection, and for the most part, make love indoors! Foreskin is redundant! It serves no useful function (ie wisdom teeth, appendix), other than to cause a lifetime of unwanted hassles and upkeep. Correction: other than being tossed into a skin graft bin for future burn victims, it serves no useful function! LOL! -D, NYC "The first successful operation for appendicitis was performed by a Jewish surgeon" - DR. SIMON BARUCH.."The first American scientist ever awarded the Nobel prize was Jewish - ALBERT ABRAHAM MICHAELSON.."In 1983 alone, Jewish-American scientists received 27% of the Nobel prizes awarded in their disciplines. In proportion to their population number (2%), the number of Jews in medicine exceeded 230%, those in psychiatry neared 480%, and those in mathematics approached 240%." - JEWISH CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE (By Asher B. Etkes & Saul Stadtmauer).."Even if the Jews have not all been geniuses, their general average of intelligence and intellectuality is far above our general average - and that is one of our reasons for wishing to drive them out of the higher forms of business and the professions. It is the swollen envy of pigmy minds - meanness, injustice" - MARK TWAIN.."If Christ were here, there is one thing he would not be - a Christian" - MARK TWAIN.."Because I was a Jew, I found myself free from any prejudices that limited others in the use of their intellect, and being a Jew, I was prepared to enter opposition and to renounce agreement with the 'compact majority'" - DR. SIGMUND FREUD (father of psychiatry).."I laid a divorcee in New York City - I had to put up some kind of fight" - ROLLING STONES.."Christianity has deluged the world with blood & tears - Judaism has caused neither for religion's sake" - MARK TWAIN.."New York is the place where they say - hey babe, take a walk on the wild side" - LOU REED (b. Rabinowitz, umpteenth sweet, Jewish NYer) http://tinyurl.com/6d9e7 (Circumcision - a lifetime of medical benefits: Women's Sexual Penile Preference, Sexual Activity, Psych Effect)
While I am PISH in your pants funny, there's absolutely nothing humorous about [address] Read it and weep, ya creep: Smegma has been linked to penile cancer, which is practically unheard of in circumcised men. Penile cancer is rare in the USA, but accounts for 10% of all malignancies in countries that do not routinely circumcise. i.e. Of the 60,000 cases of penile cancer reported since the 1930's, fewer than 10 occurred in circumcised men. The risk of penile cancer in uncircumcised men is 1 case per 380-600 men; in circumcised men it is 1 case per 75,000 to 8 million men! - DR. THOMAS E. WISWELL, FAAP, Jefferson Medical Center, Philadelphia, PA
You LIKE being tightly circ'd with absolutely no skin movement on the shaft either flacid (soft) or erect (hard)???!!! I think that'd be a real bitch to deal with for sexual stimulation (either masturbation or sexual intercourse)... lol or even waking up with "morning wood" as Peter Griffin might say. WTF is there to do with the thing when one has such a tight circ?
Taylor!! You said you have a boyfriend who's American and who was circumcised at birth. Does he know you think so poorly of his genitals?
Come on!! You must do plenty of stimulation with each other in the morning or any other time, and be just fine at it.
By the way, are the TV programs "Family Guy" and "American Dad" on the Cartoon Network in Canada as they are in the US after about 10PM? If they're on the fascist FOX network in the US, I'd have no idea since I don't watch Nazi TV. But the question is, before you tune in to this, if it's on Cartoon Net, do you also watch Scooby Doo and the other kids programs before these shows? Just curious.
Anyway, I have a nice tight circumcision and my girlfriend has no problem figuring out what to do to get me stimulated. No, it's not a bitch at all to stimulate circumcised men. Do you think circumcised men would ever have children if that were true? After reading your comments, I called my older gay friend who was circumcised as an adult to ask him what he thought, and he said that he and his partner prefer sex without foreskins and that stimulation is no problem (as he laughed uncontrollably at the prospect) and is probably more fun and just as stimulating than before he was circumcised.
I sometimes wake up with my g/f's thumb and index finger wrapped loosely around the ridge behind the glans, moving ever so slowly back and forth over the back of the head, and getting me hot as hell. Sometimes she plays with the circumcision scar with her fingernail, and other times she rubs a little hand lotion over the scar and the head and works it in real nice... certainly, not every woman (or gay man - as a partner) is a "dick" lover but if you happen to be with someone who IS into penis play, a circumcised guy can really have it made. So, no, it isn't a bitch to stimulate, in fact it's quite fun for the woman. Sometimes "less is more" -- less skin, more excitement and entertainment.
My g/f has had at least one uncircumcised partner, and she said that even though there's some extra skin to play with in different ways that she even said she might have otherwise enjoyed for a change from the circumcised "routine", she found the smell and the secretions from the foreskin to be extrememly gross, and the appearance unsightly. Notwithstanding that there may be cultural bias and other factors involved, the fact that so many straight woman and gay men prefer circumcised partners when they have the option - and let's not dispute that this is either confirmed by research or that it is simply inevitable because there are so many people on the earth, there has to be an underlying objective factual basis for the occurrence.
What can he think? He convinced himself that he must have a circ done and he's not about to turn around and say he regrets it.
What choice do they have?
Sure.
What?
By who's standards?
Of course she did. But because women have the upperhand in the bedroom, men will do what ever a woman tells them to do. The fact of the matter is, women like your girlfriend don't love the penis per se, just what it can do in them. For these women a dildo would do the same thing as flesh and bone. And really, one penis isn't much experience.
I wonder how many of these women who consider foreskins gross, have ever been eye level to a pussy.
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Boy, Ian. You are stretching the truth so far to try and make this seem scientific. The 'fact' that so many women and gay men prefer circumcised partners lies only in your head, or in your tiny circle of friends. There is nothing inevitable about it. Just the mere fact that 80-85% of the world's men are uncircumcised, and still getting laid, is proof that women have no problem with an uncircumcised penis. You don't read gay personals much, if you think more gay men prefer a circumcised partner. Many gay men, circumcised and intact, specify that they are looking for an uncut man. Thanks for the conjecture presented as fact. As usual, it was scintillating.
What's with all this crapola about gay men not liking intact partners, I wonder? If one only read Dan Savage, one would believe that outside of Glasgow, any man with a foreskin would have to become friendly with a Hoover to get some head.
Yet in my experience and the experiences of intact friends, very few men care. And the one's who do, are usually prima donnas obsessed with status, looks, wealth and your hierarchy in the community and frankly, they aren't guys who are the least bit attractive, no matter how they *look*.
Yeah, for American men, finding an intact male is like finding a holy grail. And outside of the U.S., 80-85% of the world's men who are intact don't give the thought of a man having a foreskin a second thought; they take it like you'd take a potential partner with two eyeballs (instead of one real one, and a glass eye).
I would suppose you'd find those in the Philippines who are totally brainwashed (I know, because I've talked to half a dozen different gay guys) who want a circumcised man because they believe that "it's part of our culture; it's a great passage to manhood; it's cleaner" crapola.
I've talked to a couple Turkish guys who find it desirable to enjoy "the greener grass".
It's a good thing I didn't see your comment before I just posted that my girlfriend's experience also indicates the same preference for circumcised men when the option exists. Now I can be sure I won't eventually be accused of a conspiracy with you against foreskins, rather than suggesting there may actually be an objective fact behind the outcome.
Funny, my lady's experience is the opposite of your lady's. How anecdotal. I have to wonder, though. What about her experience do you find so fascinating, that you feel compelled to post it here over and over, as if it was gospel truth, and not one person's bad experience, which may be in part attributable to social conditioning? Is it the picture in your head of her mouth sliding over his smegma-laden cock, which brings you here, protesting about something with which you admittedly have no experience?
As well as those nasty choppers! LOL! Your National Health service is nothing to be proud of! They would rather save pfennings for the government than provide effective dentistry. The same rationale applies to providing a simple, safe & beneficial circumcision. One of the safest & most commonly performed medical procedures, occurring more frequently than tooth extraction. Chimp, what do you feed that thing? Circus peanuts? LOL! In America (most powerful & influential nation in the world), extra skin = queasy gals = less boots a knockin'! eh If a man wants to increase his chances of nabbing high-class trim, he will shed that abominable scab of skin! eh As John "The Elephant Man" Merrick once famously said: "I am not an animal, I am a human being!" Humans should not have to SHLEP around remnant appendages. In the end, you have to ask yourself one thing: do I want to PLOTZ with that identifying heathen marker, or do I want to come join the human race?eh If a flap of skin grew over your TUSH, would you revel in the bacteria that it traps? No-brainer!! Foreskin should be treated no differently - it is a cesspool for disease! Be wise, circumcise! -D, NYC -D, NYC "The Egg Cream is psychologically the opposite of circumcision - it pleasurably reaffirms your Jewishness!" eh - MEL BROOKS (b. Kaminsky, umpteenth sweet, Jewish NYer).."The ladies love a circumcision!" eh - RABBI TUCKMAN (Robin Hood: Men In Tights).."To perfect the world (TIKUN OLAM) is in Jewish thought - the obligation of every human being. Where better to begin by fixing God's goof of foreskin?".."Basically, he's self-conscious about his dick, and he wants a circumcision" eh - NIP/TUCK.."Life insurance companies should class wearers of a prepuce under the head of a hazardous risk" - MEDICAL WRITER, UNKNOWN.."Part of the foreskin they throw away after circumcision, I believe it is called SCHMUCK" eh - DAVID GALE (Kevin Spacey in The Life Of David Gale)..."Circumcision is like a substantial and well-secured annuity; every year of life you draw the benefits. Parents cannot make a better paying investment for their little boys" - DR.P.C.REMONDINO.."The anti-circumcision craze has developed because groups of conservative, sensitive, medically misinformed individuals, some with fanatical emotionalism, have not seen the consequences of a society where males are not circumcised. While medical prophylactic measures are readily accepted by our society, surgical prophylaxis is in danger of being discarded by an overemphasis on the return to the "natural." The intense pain of natural childbirth is seen as a reward while the minor discomfort, if any, of circumcision is magnified beyond reason" - DR. GERALD WEISS.."Yes, I am a Jew, and when the ancestors of the right honorable gentleman were brutal savages in an unknown island, mine were priests in the Temple of Solomon" - BENJAMIN DISRAELI (1804-1881, first Jewish Prime Minister of England, responding to Irish Roman Catholic leader Daniel O' Connell, in the House of Commons, who cast aspersions on his Jewish ancestry).."Think Yiddish, dress British!" - POPULAR MADISON AVENUE (hub of business, retail & fashion) SLOGAN.."This legendary, circumcised English-Jewish athlete won gold and silver medals at the Paris Olympics of 1924, and was the subject of the movie, "Chariots of Fire" - HAROLD ABRAHAMS.."And you can hear it in my accent when I talk, I'm an Englishman in New York" - STING..."England's made a Jew of me in only eight weeks, which, on reflection, might be the least painful method" - eh PHILIP ROTH.."Today in Germany, I am called a German man of science, and in England I am represented as a Swiss-Jew. If I come to be regarded as bete noire, the descriptions will be reversed, and I shall become a Swiss-Jew for the Germans and a German man of science for the English!" eh - ALBERT EINSTEIN.."Half of all skirmishes during the American Revolution were fought on NY soil"..."Two of NYC's five boroughs were founded by the British - Queens and Kings County (aka Brooklyn). It was done in honor of King Charles II and his wife - Catherine of Braganza.".."Jews created the three major American t.v. networks - William Paley's CBS, David Sarnoff's NBC and Leonard Goldenson's ABC.."New (York) got its name in 1664 when The Dutch lost control of their "New Amsterdam" colony to England, which was then renamed as "New York" in honor of Duke James of (York)..".."The Hudson river was founded by British explorer Henry Hudson".."Los Angeles is for those who sleep, Paris and London baby you can keep, no other city will make me dance like New York" - MADONNA.."From New York - the greatest city in the world" - LATE SHOW WITH DAVID LETTERMAN (Ed Sullivan Theatre - put The Beatles on the map!).."I moved into my apartment Sept. 10. In one day I saw the worst but also the best of New York. Its people are glorious, marvelous. The best. First-run movies? We got it. Tops in theater? We got it. Ballet, opera, circus, concerts. More culture here, more in the way of arts than anywhere in the world. New York is the Athens of today" - MATT DAMON.."If I'd lived in Roman times, I'd have lived in Rome. Where else? Today America is the Roman Empire and New York is Rome itself" - JOHN LENNON (one of NY's most famous adoptive sons, Strawberry Fields Memorial, Central Park - world's most famous recreational park).."New York City is the central home for this entire planet. The Olympics draws contestants from all countries. Wherever they come from we've got a family for them, a neighborhood for them, a group who speak their language, cook their food, support their religion, understand their needs. We have someone for everyone" - JUDGE JUDY (umpteenth sweet, Jewish NYer).."New Yorkers spend $11 billion a year eating out, making NY the restaurant capital of the world" - JANE'S NY: RESTAURANTS (NBC 4 NY at NBC World Headquarters, Rockefeller Center, Manhattan (center of the universe/hub of broadcasting): home to Nightly News with Brian Williams, The Today Show, SNL, Dateline, and Late Night with Conan O'Brien).."I've seen the lights go out on Broadway, I saw the Empire State laid low" - BILLY JOEL (umpteenth sweet, Jewish NYer - one of the Top 100 selling artists of all-time).."In New York, even if you're Catholic, you're Jewish. If you live in Butte, Montana, you're going to be Goyish, even if you're Jewish!" eh - LENNY BRUCE (b. Leonard Alfred Schneider, umpteenth sweet, Jewish NYer).."The extraordinary European Jews who emigrated to New York were enriching the city's intellectual life with an intensity that has probably never been equaled anywhere during a comparable period of time. I was raised largely by these Jews...They were my teachers; they were my employers; they were my friends. They introduced me to a world of books and ideas that I didn't know existed" - MARLON BRANDO (excerpt from "Songs My Mother Taught Me").. "Listen all you New Yorkers - there's a rumor going round - that some of you good people want to leave this town - so save your time & trouble - cause when you leave New York man, you don't go anywhere" - SAMMY DAVIS JR (sweet, Jewish convert, umpteenth celebrity NYer).."Envy of Jewish talents and brains has moved the Gentiles to behave like wild beasts toward a people in some respects their superior" - MARK TWAIN.."I am convinced that the persecution of the Jew is not due in any large degree to religious prejudice. No, the Jew is a money-getter; and in getting his money, he is a very serious obstruction to less capable neighbors who are on the same quest" - MARK TWAIN.."The Jews are the yeast in the bread of civilization which causes it to grow" - BEN HECHT.."Take away the Jews - and Germany is destitute" - JAMES W. GERARD (ex US ambassador to Germany - excerpt from "Four Years In Germany" - 1917).."One of the great mysteries that has always puzzled me is how Jews, who account for such a tiny fraction of the world's population, have been able to achieve so much and excel in so many different fields - science, music, medicine, literature, arts, business and more. If you listed the most influential people of the last hundred years, three at the top of the list would be Einstein, Freud and Marx; all were Jews. Many more belong on the list, yet Jews comprise at most less than 3 percent of the United States population. They are an amazing people. Imagine the persecution they endured over the centuries: pogroms, temple burnings, Cossack raids, uprootings of families, their dispersal to the winds and the Holocaust. After the Diaspora, they could not own land or worship in much of the world; they were prohibited from voting and were told where to live. Yet their children survived and Jews became by far the most accomplished people per capita that the world has ever produced" - MARLON BRANDO (excerpt from "SONGS MY MOTHER TAUGHT ME").."Jews are unique in that for eighteen-hundred years they have had no country...and have, whenever there was any pretense of equality of opportunity for them, forged their way ahead into positions of prominence, influence and power in business, professions, in philosophy, in art, in literature, and in government. The harshest persecution and injustice merely strengthen the peculiarity of the Jew in the adherence to his ancient customs. Give him the sunlight of freedom and the balmy encouragement of equality of opportunity and he assimilates himself to his environment with all the quickness of perception, all the energy, all the enterprise, all the persistence with which he is so remarkably endowed" - WILLIAM HOWARD TAFT (27th US President, 1909-1913).."If you take almost anything - science, law, philosophy, literature, medicine, music - and track it back to its roots, you will find Jews there, or at least meet an awful lot of them along the way" - PAUL JOHNSON (contemporary US historian, "History of the Jews").."The modern United States, in spite of itself, IS the United States in part because of its Jewish blood" - JOE MCCAIN (author, lecturer, historian, brother of Senator John McCain - "The Jews Will Not Go Quietly Again!").."Certainly, the world without the Jews would have been a radically different place. Humanity might have eventually stumbled upon all the Jewish insights. But we cannot be sure. All the great conceptual discoveries of the human intellect seem obvious and inescapable once they had been revealed, but it requires a special genius to formulate them for the first time. The Jews had this gift. To them we owe the idea of equality before the law, both divine and human; of the sanctity of life and the dignity of human person; of the individual conscience and so a personal redemption; of collective conscience and so of social responsibility; of peace as an abstract ideal and love as the foundation of justice, and many other items which constitute the basic moral furniture of the human mind. Without Jews it might have been a much emptier place." - PAUL JOHNSON (contemporary US Historian, "A History of Jews & A History of Christianity").."Western civilization is undeniably a 'Jewified' civilization, however offensive the word may be to our ears because of the ugly use made of it by anti-Semites - anti-Semites believed that Jews were everywhere, and in a sense they were almost everywhere that counted in modern society." - ALBERT LINDEMANN in Esau's Tears: Modern anti-Semitism and the Rise of the Jews.."Here is a great body of our Jewish citizens from whom have sprung men of genius in every walk of our varied life; men who have conceived of its ideals with singular clearness; and led enterprises with sprit & sagacity...They are not Jews in America, they are American citizens" - WOODROW WILSON (28th US President, 1913-1921).."If statistics are right, the Jews constitute but one percent of the human race. It suggests a nebulous dim puff of stardust lost in the blaze of the Milky way. Properly, the Jew ought hardly to be heard of, but he is heard of, has always been heard of. He is as prominent on the planet as any other people, and his commercial importance is extravagantly out of proportion to the smallness of his bulk. His contributions to the world's list of great names in literature, science, art, music, finance, medicine, and abstruse learning are also away out of proportion to the weakness of his numbers. He has made a marvelous fight in this world, in all the ages; and had done it with his hands tied behind him. He could be vain of himself, and be excused for it. The Egyptian, the Babylonian, and the Roman followed, and made a vast noise, and they are gone. Other peoples have sprung up and held their torch high for a time, but it burned out, and they sit in twilight now, or have vanished. The Jew saw them all, beat them all, and is now what he always was, exhibiting decadence, no infirmities of age, no weakening of his parts, no slowing of his energies, no dulling of his alert and aggressive mind. All things are mortal but the Jew; all other forces pass, but he remains. What is the secret of his immortality?" - MARK TWAIN.."They say it's (New York) the greatest city in the world, and I think it is!" - ELLEN DEGENERES (LATE SHOW WITH DAVID LETTERMAN.."The pursuit of knowledge for its own sake, an almost fanatical love of justice, and the desire for personal independence - these are the features of Jewish tradition that make me thank my stars that I belong to it" - ALBERT EINSTEIN.."More history happened in New York than in any other place in the nation" - KENNETH T. JACKSON, Columbia University Professor, Encyclopedia of New York..."If food were a competitive sport, New York City would have more gold medals than anywhere else in the world" - TRACY NIEPORENT - Myriad Restaurant Group/NYC & Company Restaurant Committee Chair"..."The first American scientist ever awarded the Nobel prize was Jewish - ALBERT ABRAHAM MICHAELSON.."New York is the only real city-city" - TRUMAN CAPOTE.."The intellectual life is why I'm a New Yorker. It's why I stay here. I spend my summers in Europe, and if they ask me if I'm an American, I say, "No, I'm a New Yorker." I don't know about everyone else, but for me that's a positive statement." - ALEXANDER ALLAND JR..."No other American city is so intensely American as New York" - ANTHONY TROLLOPE, North America.."Imagine a world without New York City. The terrorists already have" - ROBERT F. KENNEDY JR.."New York, you are an Egypt! But an Egypt turned inside out. For she erected pyramids of slavery to death, and you erect pyramids of democracy with the vertical organpipes of your skyscrapers all meeting at the point of infinity of liberty!" - SALVADOR DALI.."NYC is the only town where one's looks are drawn all the time away from the ground into the sky." - FREYA STARRK, Dust in the Lion's Paw.."New York City sits bold and beautiful, brash and bounteous, a Big Apple, representing the best the country and people have to offer. Never has there been a city like it, nor will there be again...It's a city of achievers, often beset by adversity, but never bested by circumstances." - JOHN CLEMENTIS, New York Facts.."New York is simply a distillation of the United States, the most of everything, the conclusive proof that there is an American civilization. New York is casual, intellectual, subtle, effective, and devastatingly witty. But her sophisticated appearance is the thinnest of veneers. Beneath it there is power, virility, determination and sense of destiny." - RAYMOND F. LOEWY, 1964.."The city of New York, the noblest of the American symbols" - JAMES MORRIS...."I love New York. I celebrate every day in this city. Anything can happen here any hour of any day. You don't want to go to sleep because you feel you might be missing out. Where else in the world could anyone have that same feeling?" - HUGH JACKMAN.."New York is the only real city-city" - TRUMAN CAPOTE..."I did 'Bash' here two years ago, 'Three Sisters' five years ago and hope to do another play soon. That's because my secret agenda is to be back in New York. In L.A., I have a house and yard and it's good for my baby. I have parents in Tennessee but I don't want to live there. I have friends in California but it's so transient there. 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Well, speaking as a woman who loves dick, I'm MUCH more excited about the prospect of going down on a cut guy as opposed to one who is uncut. I agree with Ian's GF about the extra skin, odor and secretions. Not real appetizing, IMHO. No offense intended, just being honest.
Natty Dread wrote: Well, speaking as a woman who loves dick, I'm MUCH more excited about the prospect of going down on a cut guy as opposed to one who is uncut. I agree with Ian's GF about the extra skin, odor and secretions. Not real appetizing, IMHO. No offense intended, just being honest.
Lol, you're right.
I meant : what if the guy's clean and there's no strange smell/germs/secretions... ?
All it takes is a good shower before which is anyways necessary since women's little flower is also a nest for those delicacies... ;)
"Blastrou" wrote in message news:dtne5a$83q$[email]...
Too true! To be honest, though, I don't like the feeling of the foreskin in my mouth. I can't explain it, it's just gross, like when you're eating a good steak and you come across a nasty bit of gristle or something in the meat. It detracts from an otherwise pleasurable experience. But you're right, a good shower takes care of the odor problem. Unfortunately, in my experience with uncut guys, a few of them haven't been as conscientious about pre-sex cleansing...a case of the few bad apples spoiling it for the entire bunch! :)
Sa-sa smelly, all the more reason why circumcision is vital. Especially during childhood. "Dirty Johnny" is too busy being a kid, so why should he be concerned with hygiene? Here's the math: foreskin + poor hygiene = smegma, lint, balanitis, odoriferous emanations. Absence of foreskin + poor hygiene = no smegma, no lint, no balanitis, tolerable odoriferous emanations. eh ie. As pretty and famous as Jim Morrison was, do you think he could get away with not bathing, if not for his being circumcised?ehe Jim was infamous for never changing his clothes. Once again, circumcision provides its owner with a virtual self-cleaning SHMECKLE! -D, NYC "I been down South..you know I been out East...I been out West, but I'm not gonna rest...'Til I get to New York..Goin' to New York, get on the New York quiz show..Gotta win myself some all o' that dough" - JIMMY REED..."The corner of Bleeker 'n' nowhere..in the land of not quite day" - LED ZEPPELIN
Steve, what are you doing 'round these parts?ehe Yes, Jim was a pretty boy! eh Chiseled features and all! eh -D, NYC "A hundred times I have thought New York is a catastrophe, and fifty times: It is a beautiful catastrophe" - LE CORBUSIER.."New York is the only city in the world where you can get deliberately run down on the sidewalk by a pedestrian" eh - RUSSELL BAKER..."I mean the City of New York...for New York is a wonder city, a veritable fairyland..with many sights not to be seen in Massachusetts or Maryland" - OGDEN NASH.."They would part with all they've got...could they but once more walk..with their best girl and have a twirl...on the sidewalks of New York" - LAWLOR & BLAKE
Steve, no offense, but you're not exactly a connoisseur on "anything good!" eh You're the same person who hates oldies, having once referred to all rock 'n' roll musicals as being "all rock sh*t." eh Even Frank Sinatra digged The Beatles! eh He called Harrison's "Something" (which he covered) one of the greatest love songs ever written! Steve, how old are you? Centennial?eh LOL! As for Sex & The City (filmed in NYC - 100 tv shows are currently been filmed here)? If you are alluding to Jason Lewis, he does look like an adonis! Similar to James [address] If I ever went gay for pay, he (along with Rob Lowe) would be high on my "to do" list! ehe -D, NYC "This legendary Jewish lyricist & rock 'n' roll HOF member is also the first "white" person honored with a R&B Foundation Pioneer award" - DOC POMUS" (b. Jerome Solon Felder, Bklyn)
Well, he's not as sweet-looking as he once was! eh 40-something tends to dissipate the sweetness! eh See, me no FAYGOPHOBE! eh Come on, what 30-something hasn't cut his teeth on The Outsiders or St. Elmo's Fire?eh Two quintessential coming of age flicks from the BIG '80s! The last decade for "anything catchy!" eh Plus, with solid performances in Square Dance (Emmy nom), West Wing (ditto), and Bad Influence, Lowe proved that he was more than just another pretty face! -D, NYC "Miami may be paradise, but we are now looking into the core of civilization (NYC) - TUBBS (Miami Vice).."You belong to the city..you belong to the night..concrete under your feet...it's in your blood, it's in your moves..you're a man of the street" - GLENN FREY.."Hot in the city..hot in the city tonight - Newww Yorrrk!" - BILLY IDOL (raised on Long Island).."I happen to like New York, I happen to like this town. I like the city air, I like to drink of it, The more I know New York the more I think of it. I like the sight and the sound and even the stink of it" - COLE PORTER.."Hot town summer in the city, back of my neck getting dirty & gritty" - LOVIN' SPOONFUL..."You grew up ridin' the subways, running with people..up in Harlem, down on Broadway..You're no tramp, but you're no lady, talkin' that street talk..You're the heart and soul of New York City" - ODYSSEY.."I'm a New York City man, baby, and say go and that is that" - LOU REED (b. Rabinowitz, umpteenth sweet, Jewish NYer).."Call on your angels...Come down to the city..Crowd around the big tree..All you strangers who know me..Bring your compassion..Your understanding...Lord how we need it..On this New York City Christmas..Yeah I'm sending you a Merry New York Christmas" - MATCHBOX 20..The most popular selling Christmas song, "White Christmas," was written by a Jew - IRVING BERLIN (raised in NYC).."New York, like a Christmas tree - tonight this city belongs to me - Angel of Harlem" - U2
Allow me to word it differently: "The '80s was the last decade for "anything catchy," not necessarily the best decade for "anything catchy." eh Music wise (pop/rock), post '80s was terribly unmemorable. -D, NYC "Well, a redneck nerd in a bowling shirt was a-guzzlin' lone star beer..talking religion and-uh politics for all the world to hear..they oughta send you back to Roosha boy, or New York City one...you just want to doodle a Christian girl and you killed God's only son..I said, has it occurred to you, you nerd, that that's not very nice, we Jews believe it was Santa Claus that killed Jesus Christ!" eh - KINKY FRIEDMAN & THE TEXAS JEWBOYS.."I mean the City of New York...for New York is a wonder city, a veritable fairyland..with many sights not to be seen in Massachusetts or Maryland" - OGDEN NASH.."This legendary NY Jewish developer was a pioneer of tract housing & has towns in New York (Levittown, Long Island - first planned suburban community in the US) and in Pennsylvania named after him" - WILLIAM LEVITT.."Behold its liberal loveliness of length...a flowing span from shore to shore..a brimming reach of beauty matched with strength..it shines and climbs like some miraculous dream..like some vision multitudinous and agleam..a passion of desire held captive in the clasp of vast utility..NY has a special interest for me when it is wrapped in fog...then it behaves very much like a blind person" - HELEN KELLER.."Come on along and listen to...the Lullaby of Broadway...the hip hooray and ballyhoo..the Lullaby of Broadway" - AL DUBIN (sweet Jew).."Flatbush boy cruisin' Sheepshead Bay..his boardwalk mama just a sniff away..underground DMT..ridin' thunder train...The Coney Island White Fish Boy is on the run again" - AEROSMITH
As did Lennon & McCartney, Jim Morrison, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, etc. It was simply a different genre of music. Steve, if you remove pop/rock from the musical landscape, what are you left with? Classical?eh You are venturing into unamerican waters when you criticize the most popular form of music. Sinatra was pop! Manilow (sweet NYer, b. Pincus) was pop! Billy Joel (umpteenth sweet NYer) has elements of pop/rock! Hendrix had elements of pop/rock/blues/hard rock/psychadelia/jazz! Music has to move me, and rock 'n' roll is where it's at! eh Yesterday by The Beatles wasn't a beautiful song? Light My Fire or Moonlight Drive (lighter side of The Doors) weren't magical classics? Let me guess: you weren't too fond of Janis Joplin's version of Summertime by George & Ira Gershwin (umpteenth sweet NYers)?eheeh -D, NYC "This Jewish DJ coined the term rock 'n' roll" - ALAN FREED.."This legendary Jewish music mogul & co-founder of Atlantic Records also coined the term "R&B" while writing for Billboard - JERRY WEXLER".."This Jewish bandleader was known as the "King of Swing" - BENNY GOODMAN.."The actual inventor of the "Zeppelin" was Austrian-Jew, who in 1890 devised the idea for an airship with a gas-filled metal container to carry it aloft" - DAVID SCHWARZ.."This Jewish producer was teh creator of American burlesque" - FLO ZIEGFELD.."This legendary Jewish dancer is a hero to people who can't coordinate their feet with music" - ARTHUR MURRAY (b. Murray Teichman).."Circumcision is the most commonly performed surgical procedure in the United States. As a pediatrician and neonatologist, I am a child advocate and try to do what is best for children. For many years I was an outspoken opponent of circumcision and believed there was no justification for its routine performance in the newborn. However, over the past four years I have gradually changed my opinion. Several factors have influenced this change. There is irrefutable evidence that circumcised boys have far lower risk for urinary tract infections during infancy than their uncircumcised counterparts. In addition, circumcision leads to almost complete protection against penile carcinoma. Furthermore, important but controversial data show an apparent link between the state of uncircumcision and a higher risk for many of the sexually transmitted diseases" - THOMAS E. WISWELL, MD.."The current anti-circumcision crusade can be attributed to a concatenation of factors old and new.
valuation of the genitals and the guilt-induced anxiety leading to a fear of genital injury. Since the individual´s dread of genital injury or castration is usually resolved by relegation to the unconscious, it may later emerge as a sincere effort to have every penis remain intact. Potentiating this primordial anxiety is a quite understandable backlash against the originally unscientific origins of circumcision and against the lavish claims that were made regarding the benefits accruing to those who underwent the procedure. Like all backlashes, the reaction has been excessive and the anti-circumcision camp now attempts to demolish fact as well as fancy. The analogy of throwing out the baby with the bath water was never more applicable." - DAGHER, SELZER & LAPIDES, MDs
Unfortunately for women, God forgot to design a backup [address] Due to the differences in physiology, women have no choice but to put up with their odoriferous emanations. Even if one were to excise the labia minora/majora, one would still be left with the clitoris (aka sebaceous ridden foreskin), which unlike the male prepuce, is the epicenter for pleasure. The head of the glans penis (not the foreskin) is where the greatest degree of sensation lies. The answer is no different than the old adage: "Why can a dog lick his balls!?" "Because he can!" eh "Why can we circumcise infants & men!?" "Because we can!" eh Not only can we, but we also benefit from doing so - both medically & cosmetically! You also forget that men are led by their noses. We are the horniest creatures on the planet. As long as we have a warm hole to nestle inside of, we will generally tolerate [address] And that "anything" includes the fishy-scented [address] Women should not have to tolerate our emanations - the same cottage cheese-like fumes (aka smegma) that can just as easily be eradicated with one simple, safe & beneficial snip! Once again, you can scrub your smelly PUTZ like an incessant marsupial in the wild, and it shall never prevent the production or accumulation of smegma. Soap (irritant) can exacerbate the existing foreskin condition, causing the bacteria (smegma) to multiply. Remove foreskin and you have then removed the causation. You and the rest of your merry scab scavengers are facilitating and sexualizing the thing that should not be! IA fetish that is one of the most maniacal and dangerous fetishes of its kind! When a useless & potentially deadly scab of skin comes before the well-being and health of others, you gots (ehe) to know that your ilk has MESHHUGGENER brains! eh -D, NYC "The most beloved anthem in American history was written by a Jew - "GOD BLESS AMERICA" by IRVING BERLIN (raised in NYC).."This German-Jewish physician won a Nobel prize in 1908 for curing syphilis with his "magic bullet" - DR. PAUL EHRLICH.."This Jewish physician co-founded the AMA (American Medical Association) in 1847" - ISAAC HAYS.."This Jewish scientist is credited with the development of the birth control pill" - DR. GREGORY PINCUS.."These Jewish physicians discovered one of the most important medical discoveries (polio vaccine) of the 20th century" - DR. JONAS SALK & DR. ALBERT SABIN.."This Jewish scientist was the first to produce electromagnetic waves artificially, which ultimately gave way to t.v., x-rays, radio & radar. This unit of frequency bears his name - HEINRICH HERTZ.."In 1933, a researcher discovered consistent Jewish overrepresentation in the classical music world, including "51% of the first violins of twelve orchestras," 23.8% of the works "performed by symphony orchestras," and so forth. Why was this so? Comparing Jewish and non-Jewish children, Kenneth Sward found no intelligence differences, but speculated that "the Jewish child may be a superior all-around organism by 'nature.'".."Come on, there's lots of fun in store for you...see how the other half lives on Park Avenue" - IRVING BERLIN (insert you know what here ehe).."NYC...NYC...NYC..Que pasa NY?...Que pasa NY?..Well we did the Staten Island Ferry..Making movies for the telly..Played the Fillmore and Apollo for freedom...Tried to shake our image...Just a cycling through the Village" - JOHN LENNON (NY's most famous adoptive son, Strawberry Fields Memorial, Central Park - world's most famous recreational park).."No sleep 'till Brooklyn!" - BEASTIE BOYS (umpteenth sweet, Jewish NYers - first successful all white rap group).."To perfect the world (TIKUN OLAM) is in Jewish thought - the obligation of every human being. Where better to begin by fixing God's goof of foreskin?".."Ooo wah, ooh wah...cool, cool kitty, tell us about the boy from New York City" - AD LIBS/MANHATTAN TRANSFER.."New York, New York, a helluva town...The Bronx is up, but the Battery's down..The people ride in a hole in the groun'... New York, New York, it's a helluva town!" - ON THE TOWN (original Broadway soundtrack - penned by sweet Jew LEONARD BERNSTEIN).."I like New York in June, how about you!? I like a Gershwin tune, how about you?" - FRANK SINATRA w/ TOMMY DORSEY - penned by BURTON LANE (sweet NYer) & RALPH FREED(sweet).."The more I travel across the gravel..The more I sail the sea. The more I feel convinced to the fact, New York's the town for me. That crazy skyline is right in my line. And when I'm far away, I'm able to bear it for several hours.. Then I brake down and say: Take me back to Manhattan...Take me back to New York...I'm just longing to see once more..my little home on the hundredth floor" - COLE PORTER
Let's try some 4 year old pedagogy : If you clean your car it gets clean until you use it again, it's that simple and works for everything else.
If you shower correctly (meaning not just getting under the shower for 30 secs and getting out but actually using some soap on the parts that need cleaning) you can be sure nothing will spoil your date.
When it comes to keeping the foreskin free of stink I have it on authority that a rinse with undiluted Draino works a treat.
BTW I note African women are starting to wise up about the foreskin as a public health risk:
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Get Circumcised, Former Vice-President Advises Men
New Vision (Kampala)
February 17, 2006 Posted to the web February 17, 2006
Mary Karugaba Kampala
FORMER Vice-President Specioza Kazibwe on Wednesday stunned men in a meeting when she challenged all the uncircumcised to stand up.
Kazibwe said research had shown that uncircumcised men were responsible for almost 70% of cervical cancer and HIV/AID in women.
She was on Wednesday meeting members of Kampala Development Cooperatives Saving Scheme at Lugogo Indoor Stadium.
Kazibwe said Uganda needs people who talk openly if society is to change.
"It is not that you are prostitutes. I am a professional doctor, uncircumcised men are responsible for some of your diseases like AIDS and cancer of the cervix. Tell them to get circumcised. You don't need to be a Muslim. Was Jesus a Muslim?" she asked.
"When I said all men should get circumcised, people said leave that one. I knew what I was talking about because I was a doctor in Mulago touching their busolo (penises) everytime," she said much to the delight of women.
"When I call on men to get circumcised, people say, 'that one might have got herself a Hajji'," she said.
Kazibwe said if she had not come out to comment on smelly socks, the public would be in problems.
SHMENDRICK, all of the above ingenious words are my own. Unless of course, you are referring to my tag quotes, which are pasted! Remember, I am the David Mamet (sweet Jew) of [address] I carved out my own unique niche of words! eh Not so much the word, but the choice of wording! eh Unfortunately for you, foreskin is like the always-ripe rectal zone!!ehe No matter how much hygiene you practice in that region, there shall always exist a tinge of odor. Circumcision provides its owner with a virtual self-cleaning penis! ie. A circumcised man can abstain from bathing for one month, and he will still be able to retain the "appearance" of cleanliness. The same cannot be said for the uncircumcised man, who may find everything but the kitchen sink hiding inbetween his fugly foreskin [address] What sane person wants to retract skin that has no reason being there in the first place? Do you enjoy cleaing urine splatter from your bathroom walls!? LOL! -D, NYC "Brooklyn is crawling with famous people" - THOMAS DOLBY..."The Tri-State area has the greatest concentrate of luxury homes in the US" - KEVIN DURST
On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:34:37 GMT, "Natty Dread" said:
"Well, speaking as a guy who loves beaver, I'm MUCH more excited about
the prospect of going down on a cut lady as opposed to one who is uncut. "I agree with Ianna's GF about the extra skin, odor and secretions. Not real appetizing, IMHO. No offense intended, just being honest."
How would Natty like to have someone talk like that about HER? (And there's no logical reason they should not.) Would it make her rush out and get cut? And more important, have her daughters cut at birth?
Like a vulture to a carcass, New Zealander Hugh touches down on foreskin:
Hugh, what's wrong?eh Do you think sexual frankness is only limited to FAYGELEHS?ehe This is the age of Ozzy & Sharon, not Ozzie & Harriet! ehe Women have advanced in our world. The same applies to medical advancements! In the 21st century, there's no reason why anyone has to SHLEP around a remnant appendage! -D, NYC "New York City took me with the tide - and I nearly died from hospitality" - CLIMAX BLUES BAND.."This distinguished Jewish financier & businessman from NY was known as "the advisor of presidents'" - BERNARD BARUCH, ala BARUCH COLLEGE in Manhattan, center of business.."We must study in greater detail than their neighbors, these numerically and geographically insignificant Jews, who gave to the world one of its greatest literatures, two of its most influential religions and so many of its profoundest men" - WILL DURANT (The Story Of Civilization, Volume I).."If Christians were Christians, there would be no anti-Semitism. Jesus was a Jew. There is nothing that the ordinary Christian so dislikes to remember as this awkward historical fact. But it happens, nontheless, to be true" - JOHN HAYNES HOLMES (Minister, 1879 1964).."And you can hear it in my accent when I talk, I'm an Englishman in New York" - STING.."Think Yiddish, dress Bristish!" - popular MADISON AVENUE (hub of business, retail & advertising) slogan.."Even if the Jews have not all been geniuses, their general average of intelligence and intellectuality is far above our general average - and that is one of our reasons for wishing to drive them out of the higher forms of business and the professions. It is the swollen envy of pigmy minds - meanness, injustice" - MARK TWAIN
This is not about language, it's about the double standard between cutting male genitals and cutting female genitals, and especially the genitals of little boys and girls who are too young to object.
I would say he/she is entitled to his/her opinion, just like I am. I don't expect (or even want) everyone in the world to profess love for my cooch. However, that said, IMO female circumcision is a completely different animal than male circumcision, both in the reasons behind the procedure and the outcome. First off, men are supposedly subjected to circumcision for purely hygenic reasons (I say "supposedly" to give a nod to those who disagree with that logic), while in those cultures that practice female circumcision the major reason for the procedure is to ensure that a woman cannot experience the kind of sexual pleasure that could potentially send her off into the bed of a man who's not her husband. So, it's an ownership and control function, which male circumcision is not. Second, removing a guy's foreskin doesn't render his penis useless -- it still works as nature intended, he still retains a high degree of sensitivity in the glans, he can still impregnate his female partner, and because anatomically the penis is not a completely open orifice, his internal reproductive system is still protected from potential infections after the cut has healed. Women, on the other hand, are subjected to a circumcision process that alters the landscape of her genitals to such an extent that it does change their function and may leave her vulnerable to infection. As some others here have noted, female circumcision either involves completely removing the clitoris -- the male equivalent of cutting off the glans of the penis -- which forever cuts that woman off from the amazing sensation of a clitoral orgasm; and/or removal of some part of the vaginal lips, which dramatically increases her risk for infection as it leaves her vagina open and accessible to the outside environment. Anatomically, circumsized men aren't likely to have that problem (unless the circumsizer is having a reeeeally bad day).
You've never even seen a normal uncut man lol And remember that 85% of men are whole and normal. It's only the primitive muslims and jews who practise these stone age fertility rites. So that's the company you're in. Not very appetizing is it?
"You a" moron and a liar - as this post alone, proves - if only by lany lack of proof in your post - AS USUAL. And what is this - the 4th nym morph TODAY? What a LOOOZER you are!
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Judaism is a blood cult of hate. I'm a jew and can tell you that my people even hate themselves. They have been at war with the civilised world since this blood cult was formed in the desert.
I wish you could get some thick-headed Americans (and even some Canadians and Australians) this logic in keeping your son intact (uncircumcised/uncut) until he turns 18 and decides what he wants to do with his own body.
Now I assume that this ability to decide for oneself should apply to shots as well? ... or only to your favourite sex toy the foreskin?
It is sad that you skin freaks have only a focus upon the foreskin and not upon the wider ramifications of this "choice" that you demand. But I guess that serves to highlight the fact that you are trying to push a psychosexual agenda under the cover of a consent issue (kind of like a wolf in sheeps clothing). Sick puppies.
Should the same apply to clitoral hoods as frivolous throw aways? ;-) Why amputate a perfectly healthy part of the human body? Eyelid removals, anyone?
Ah, when you're clearly losing an arguement just repeat your usually one line lame comeback you think are "facts". Nice.
What ramifications? Do you think God put a ticking timebomb on every male? If so, how did we evolve as far as we did if all cavemen were dying of exploding foreskins or whatever it is you think will happen to natural men... "psychosexual agenda"? What the fuck? There is no agenda. There is simply no proof what-so-ever that circumcision is a good idea, or even slightly beneficial to people. Under those circumstances, surely the only agenda is one that actively wants every boy mutilated for no reason.
It seems that you are far more focused on foreskins, than those you so kindly refer to as 'skin freaks', as if enjoying a part of his penis is abnormal for a man.
Jesus, he still hasn't gotten over it? Give the poor kid an aspirin, for pete's sake.
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