While I've always believed that Seth MacFarlane is a pussy, my theory has recently been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. On the upcoming "Family Guy" DVD, the Osama bin Laden joke is cut from "Road to Rhode Island" at Seth MacFarlane's request. As you probably know, MacFarlane barely missed Flight 11 on September 11, the first flight to crash into the World Trade Center. While I despise the man and all of his "comedic" endeavors, I'm certainly grateful that he didn't die, but what makes him a pussy is this: as a result of his near-death experience, he's cut the joke from the DVD. It was apparantly fair game to make fun of Osama bin Laden when Seth MacFarlane was far away from the African Embassy bombings, when the tragic deaths that occured didn't effect him, but when *he* nearly dies during the tragic events of September 11 he realizes how unacceptable the joke is. This not only proves that MacFarlane is the biggest pussy in the universe, it also proves that his acceptability barometer is calibrated to his own inflated ego. -------------------------------- "That's the worst reverse-acting I've ever seen!" -Sam Raimi
It's official: Seth MacFarlane is a pussy...
Because of your subject line, I was about to defend Seth. But you're right, he's being hypocritical.
"CLOSEDOWN8" wrote in message news:[email]...
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Heh. Is that what it means, now?
While I do wish it was kept on the DVD, many people find absolutely any reference whatsoever to bin Laden painful and just not funny, even if it's just a cartoon. A joke not only about him, but him sneaking weapons through airport security just cuts too close to the bone for a lot of people, post 9-11. Look at it this way: suppose a relative of someone who died in 9-11 picks up the DVD for some laughs? What do you think their reaction to that scene is going to be. The show is about having a laugh, and I really don't think anybody is going to be falling off their couch in stitches at that one, these days. While I'd prefer it to be on the DVD, I fully understand why it won't be there.
What about the families of those who were killed in the Embassy bombings? MacFarlane didn't give a shit about them at the time, yet Osama bin Laden was just as responsible for their deaths as we was for those who died on September 11. -------------------------------- "That's the worst reverse-acting I've ever seen!" -Sam Raimi
How exactly do you make the connection between the joke in that scene and the Embassy bombings? The joke in question has, in hindsight, specific relevance to 9-11, but no specific relevance to Embassy bombings, so you can't claim that he "didn't give a shit about them". It seems more likely that he DID give a shit about them since he chose to insult bin Laden by portraying him as a buffoon. By your logic, is nobody allowed to make fun of bin Laden whatsoever, for fear of offending anyone? It's a much needed release for a lot of people to see this hated figure made fun of, but the joke in question would now not exactly be "fun" for a lot of people. There's a difference between just poking fun at a figure like that and a specific joke which in retrospect is seen as in poor taste, you're the self-appointed usenet governer of comedy after all, so you should know this.
Well, in case you didn't know, Osama bin Laden was a terrorist long before 9/11/2001, and he was responsible for said bombings.
You're completely wrong here.
I'm not criticizing him for making the joke in the first place, I'm criticizing him for releasing it and then trying to cover it up when he realized he had offended himself without knowing it.
-------------------------------- "That's the worst reverse-acting I've ever seen!" -Sam Raimi
...and you've yet to post any proof whatsoever to back up this allegation. Still.
In message <> [email] (Phil7101) did ramble:
What about the child that was killed in a similar way to some other randomly selected scene.
Family Guy is funny, it attacks everybody and everything, and it's bound to offend some people. Such is the way of things, life goes on. A warning would have been more then sufficient.
Lets also look at comedians who, to this day, mock airport security. Is this really any different? Is it Bin Laden's presence, or the mockery of airport security that is the problem here?
In article , [email] (Phil7101) says:
I've had relatives die in car crashes; doesn't mean I don't laugh at FAKE ONES in f*cking *cartoons* any less. Sheesh!
Some folks need to stop being so goddamn hypersensitive,
-Kenny
I think it's a little beyond a car crash, and for all you sanctimonious pompousness think about it. If that happened to you ( as did Seth) might you not count your blessings reflect and change your mind. If not go to hell you dumb pussy! DagW00d "Tigers Older brother DAG"
To the moron (CLOSEDOWN8) who started this thread without any proof, here's what Seth had to say in an interview with tvshowsondvd.com:
Interviewer: "I noticed "Road to Rhode Island"...there's some footage missing; an Osama bin Laden joke was cut."
Seth: "There was some debate over that. I kinda stayed out of that debate because I didn't really have a strong opinion one way or the other. There are arguments for keeping it in and arguments for taking it out. The argument to keep it in is that's how the show aired and it was broadcast this way and it aired two years before September 11, and so there's a bit of entertainment historical value there. And obviously the argument for taking it out was that because it was one of the biggest tragedies, there was some thought that it might bring down the rest of the episode when that comes up. There was some thought at one point of putting it on separately at the end, and that was really...I guess it was a legal decision that Fox made to leave it out. It's unfortunate in that it's a part of the episode that was produced and was aired and is sort of gone forever, but it's a small loss in the grand scheme of things."
And later on he remarks, "At one point, I was strongly arguing FOR it to be put in".
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THAT is why he's officially a pussy. -------------------------------- "That's the worst reverse-acting I've ever seen!" -Sam Raimi
I can understand about not bowing to pressure, but at the same time, w/an event like 9/11, you've gotta be sensitive to the victims and their families, so I can understand Seth's dillema here.
Chuck
But the episode aired long before 9/11, so acting like the sequence never existed is revisionism, pure and simple, and that's just bullshit. There's also the fact that the episode was still offensive to the familes of bin Laden's victims prior to 9/11, it just didn't affect MacFarlane until *after*. That's just pathetic. -------------------------------- "That's the worst reverse-acting I've ever seen!" -Sam Raimi
Heh. Let me introduce you to George Lucas. :-)
Lucas, Not to mention Oliver Stone.. DagW00d
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<< Heh. Let me introduce you to George Lucas. :-) >>
Hey, Lucas choose to *add* scenes to the original Star Wars Trilogy. Not everyong liked the new cuts, but at least they weren't missing anything they had originally been shown with. Unlike Speilberg, who changed toy guns to walkie talkies just prior to the DVD release of E.T.! 9/11 is a sensitive subject, and we all need to be aware of what happened. But editing content from a cartoon series that originally aired *before* the event is taking the PC ethic a step to far. McFarlane includes Jew jokes in several of his episodes (in fact, the season 3 DVDs should include a Jew related episode entitled "Once Upon A Weinstein" that Fox wouldn't even air!). But I don't take offense to them. I'm Jewish, BTW.
What are you talking about?
I had a problem with one line in it, from the song peter sang. if he cut that line, it would be air-able.
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In message <> [email] (CLOSEDOWN8) did ramble:
Hate to say it, but I agree. It's a joke. A JOKE! It was hilarious before 9/11, and it's still hilarious now.
recently been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. On the >upcoming "Family Guy" DVD, the Osama bin Laden joke is cut from >"Road to Rhode Island" at Seth MacFarlane's request. As you probably >know, MacFarlane barely missed Flight 11 on September 11, the first >flight to crash into the World Trade Center. While I despise the man and >all of his "comedic" endeavors, I'm certainly grateful that he didn't die
Now that's a really fascinating comment, coming from the same person who in June 2001 posted a message in this newsgroup in which you stated you wanted to kill Seth MacFarlane, in an allegedly "comedic" context:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=20010603234409.029 81.00002973%40ng-fd1.aol.com
Yet now apparently now you're grateful he didn't die? It seems that after September 11 YOU realize how tasteless your "joke" is, and your "acceptability barometer is calibrated to (your) own inflated ego". It was apparently fair game to wish death on Seth MacFarlane before 9/11, but when *he* nearly dies during the tragic events of September 11, you realize how unacceptable the joke is. Biggest pussy in the universe? Take a look in the mirror. Congratulations on adding "hypocrite" to your already outstanding resume of idiocy.
I realize the joke was in poor taste and have stated numerous times on this newsgroup that I shouldn't have written it but I've never once considered begging google.com to remove it from it's archives. I said it, I can't change that, and I'm not going to try. -------------------------------- "That's the worst reverse-acting I've ever seen!" -Sam Raimi
It should also be noted that it would have been perfectly acceptable for MacFarlane to explain the joke and apologize for it on a commentary track, or to add a disclaimer, but he chooses to cover it up like a little bitch. He's pretending it never happened, which is censorship, pure and simple, and it's flat-out laughable when you're talking about someone who tried (in vain) so desperately to craft edgy, no-holds-barred comedy (on network television, which is a laughable endeavor) which sucked the life out of the comedy itself. Anyways, I'll say it again: I made a comment I wish I hadn't made, but I'm not denying that I made it, nor am I trying to cover up the fact that I made it. Here's a link to the post in question. Feel free to take a look:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=author:closedown8+%2B%22time+machine%22+ %2BSeth&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&selm=20010603234409.02981.00002973%40n g-fd1.aol.com&rnum=1
In hindsight I should have written something like "WTD: 1 time machine so I can travel back in time and put a box of Trojans on Seth MacFarlane's parents' nightstand" but I didn't. Once again, that link is here:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=author:closedown8+%2B%22time+machine%22+ %2BSeth&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&selm=20010603234409.02981.00002973%40n g-fd1.aol.com&rnum=1 -------------------------------- "That's the worst reverse-acting I've ever seen!" -Sam Raimi
"CLOSEDOWN8" wrote in message news:[email]...
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You have no proof that Seth had any say in the matter.......Fox edited the scene out upon rerunning the episode on TV.
it is rather gay especially since South Park made countless Bin Laden & Hussein jokes and even did whole episodes around those characters and I bet when the DVD's come out with those episodes nothing gets cut. Shame Seth chose this route and pussied out I have lost a little respect for him for that. As a comic you should stand behind your material and freedom of expression as an artist once you start editing yourself then others follow and your not true to your art and considered a sell out.
"CLOSEDOWN8" wrote in message news:[email]...
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what was the bin laden joke and where did it slot in?
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In message <> "Riclew" did ramble:
Stewie is singing a song to distract airport security as his stuff goes through the x-ray and there are weapons clearly visible. Then he comments "Let's hope Osama bin Laden doesn't know show tunes", and it cuts to Osama singing to security guards.
LMFAO!
Pussy assed Seth!! Dammit, it happened people should just get over it I say! That better be on the special edition DVDs of the 3rd series here in the UK, the 1st series was totally uncut.... bastards!
"DevilsPGD" wrote in message news:[email]...
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That would be a _terrible_ shame if it was cut. I hope it wasn't Seth's decision.
BTW, to complete Devils's summary: Stewie sings "I'm a Little Teapot" as his valise of weapons goes by on the X-ray monitor (a throwing star? brilliant!), and binLaden sings "I Hope I Get It" from _A Chorus Line_ with enthusiastic choreography.
-- wb
In message <> "Riclew" did ramble:
Ohh yeah, it's in "Road to Rhode Island" :)
Dude, please rethink your use of the word "gay".
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"toyzboy" wrote:
heh heh... Yeah, I couldn't believe someone actually talks like Cartman.
you should hear my impression of Cartman too
"CAndersen (Kimba)" wrote in message news:[email]...
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"CLOSEDOWN8" wrote in message news:[email]...
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It's really too bad you weren't on that plane while suffering from nut cancer.
Most likely, yes. (I don't own it yet.) But, how do you know? For someone who hates Family Guy so much, you sure seem to spend a lot of time thinking about it.
Where is the proof that Seth requested that the scene be cut from the DVD? Or the reruns, for that matter?
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for all you guys have done insulting seth you have not actually shown any proof that he had anythign to do with it, im guessing he had nothing to do with it at all