Hi, please, please, please eveyone stop arguing. I think this is why some new people feel that you are clique-ish. These personal arguments should either stop or go to e-mail or some other forum we aren't winess to. It makes me at least and probably othere extremely uncomfortable. I'm new and I hope this isn't what you are like all the time. I don't think it is but...it's been going on since I started reading here.
I know I don't know why these arguments are happening and whose right or whatever but I don't really want to know. I don't feeel these are any of my business or other people's either. I hope we can all find a nice, semi-neutral Daria related topic soon, before the fights break the newsgroup up anymore.
Just because posts appear on your server *doesn't mean* you have to read them. Just skip them and move on to the posts that interest you. Or post something that interests you.
On Fri, 17 Mar 2000 13:54:54 -0600, "Melissa Cowan" wrote:
I don't know about the other arguments but in the ones that involve me it's always a good rule of thumb to assume I am right. I hope this gives you some orientation :-) MSB
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It really isn't, I promise. I think it's kind of like that thing in the book of The Beach (I'm still sulking about the film - you cannot just remove the entire subtext of a novel, completely change the plot, and all but remove all the funny bits unless you actually make it better...) where you have this cuddly clique in a secluded environment (about mid-season 3), then some new people come and you welcome them, and that's fine, and they fit in, and then bit by bit everything just goes wrong at once and things start erupting and then some more new people come, and you really really don't want them to see you like this, and when they do it just causes everything to screw up futher.... I don't know, maybe I'm exaggerating the problem, but it's been pretty bad. I mean we've very occasionally had things like the Dagny-Jordan war before, but to have Dagny-Jordan and LI/JmStargazer and all the troll posts all at once is a new thing, and we don't come out of looking good. But I'm sure eventually Jessica L and alli and Mindy and paperpusher and all the other posters who used to make this such a fab place to be will start posting again, and there'll be great efforts of unity like the Daria code, or something, and everything will be cool again :)
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Yes, that'd be nice. But even a nice non-Daria related one would be good. Like, what's everyone's Keirsey type? (http://keirsey.com/frame.html) I'm an eSfT, which is like Elvis, apperently :)
I had to take this test as part of career development class (which did nothing to help me decide on a career). We also took tests that were comparable to what Daria took in "It Happened One Nut," and my results were just as helpful--it suggested I could be a farmer, among other professions. But I digress. . . I believe I was an INFJ, which I guess is like Eleanor Roosevelt. Darn it. . .Elvis sounds funner.
You, a model? You, the "I can't show you more than one picture even if you grovel at my feet because I am WAY too shy for that kind of thing" person that I know...a MODEL? *snicker* How little do they know....
On Sun, 19 Mar 2000 00:46:01 GMT, Lady Interference wrote:
I *know*. The thing was, I just filled in the answers I thought sounded like a journalist, which I've been planning on doing since 3rd grade and has been my major all through college.
Kyle, he who means well The Shane Andrews of alt.sports.baseball.chicago-cubs
HEY! There's nothing between me and Jess anymore. I raised the olive branch to her AGES ago. That horse is dead. That horse has gone to its final resting place in the sky. That horse is a nonentity.
At any length, you probably think I'm a bitch. If that's the case...then thank you. ;)
!! Someone mentioned me! I've been out due to not having much to say and a carpal tunnel relapse (damn, I'm not supposed to have this at 14), plus _lots_ of homework. Have been reading faithfully, though, as always. And I couldn't agree with you more; this isn't alt.tv.daria right now. This is alt.tv.daria on PCP, or some drug that makes people violent. *doesn't know narcotics well* I hope that we can get this behind us and get back to our old peaceful existence.
Too much typing, basically... there's always been a computer in my house, and I learned to really play with it when I was about four. I've been spending most of my free time dinking around with them ever since. Plus, I play a lot of video games, and I also play cello which has a lot of repetitive motion of the type which causes CT, according to the therapist chick I talked to.
I know what you mean about the computer part. I learned to read playing Ultima 4 on an apple IIC back when I was four. Plus a lot of games since then, although I leaned more towards RPGs (not as much frantic key pounding, so no CT).
I had the bad luck to get into adventure games before point-n-click was popular... meaning I can type "open door" and "talk to [x]" very very very fast. I particularly remember the spell-casting copy protection from King's Quest III... ugh. You had to get the manual and type out, _word for word,_ the exact incantation that was there. If a single letter was wrong, you died in some horrible way and had to go back and do the whole bloody thing again.
Also, all of my friends live far enough away that it's impractical for us to meet in the flesh very often, so we do a lot of talking over ICQ. I'm typically online talking to them for at least two hours, almost always more. Add alt.tv.daria to that, as well. Not to mention the schoolwork that I always type out, because I write so seldom that my hands cramp up very easily.
That all, and recently I've gotten my hands on not only Xenogears but also Final Fantasy VIII. _And_ a whole bunch of awesome SNES games. Which means that pretty much all my time is spent doing stuff that's bad for my wrists.
Including typing out long posts about stuff no one cares about. ^_-
I'm fairly good at it, if I do say so myself. It's relaxing to me, and very irritating when the pain's so intense that I can't do it.
One thing that may have helped spare me CT is that I don't really type normally. I use a somewhat faster version of "hunt-and-peck," since I never really need to type quickly (I don't do it for a living). Saves all that streching your fingers around the keyboard. Try it when you're not in a rush.
Another thing that might help is a Dvorak keyboard. Are you familiar with those?
I'm playing System Shock 2 right now myself, though not with nearly as much enthusiasm as I used to have for games (I've kind of gotten out of that phase).
Hey, why should other people's apathy stop you from having fun? ;)
I also never really learned the right way of typing, so I have made my own pecking technique that's actually somewhat fast (well, not compared to secretary type professions anyway). However, I think I'm at risk for CT just because I use the mouse a lot for my profession. That is possible right--getting CT from mouse use and not just keyboard use?
On Mon, 27 Mar 2000 20:05:40 -0700, Janevieve Harrison wrote:
I switched over to a graphics tablet about 4 years ago, and noticed that I can do heavy computer work for 8 hours+ without feeling any discomfort at all. The nice thing about the tablet is that you're using a pen instead of a mouse. It's not perfect, but it works for me. (Actually, I don't understand why more folks don't use 'em-- you can get small ones that work even better than mice...)
Wacom makes a great USB tablet, FYI.
not a therapist either, rich.
Quinn: I can't be a brain! My friends will hate me!
On Tue, 28 Mar 2000 18:11:32 -0500, paperpusher wrote:
I think pens and buttons don't mix. I had to turn off the buttons on my pen completely because I can't use them with my clumsy stubby fingers. I either press when I don't want to or don't find it when I want to. And if you can't use the buttons, a tablet is no longer a replacement for a mouse. MSB
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On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 16:19:24 GMT, [email] (MSB) wrote:
The "buttons" on the Wacom pens are placed a little differently. The pen tip serves as the left mouse button, and a rocker switch on the side of the pen (near the point) can be programmed so that one half of the rocker button serves as the right mouse button, and the other half performs a double-left-click. Very handy, I must say. It takes a little getting used to, but I'll never switch back.
A tablet is invaluable for graphics work, but I find a mouse more natural for manipulating windows and buttons - click and drag is easier with a mouse for instance. To avoid CT though it's good to use a mouse with a light click, I used to have one with a firm click and my wrist ached constantly.
Well price is probably a factor. A decent size graphics tablet costs at least 10 times as much as a mouse, at least in the UK. My tablet cost �170 (=about $260 I think), and that was the cheapest one I could find (it was about 25% cheaper than the Wacom one anyway). I think most people would spend the money on a CD burner or something instead, it's probably only artists and photographers who will spend that kind of money on a pointing device.
Hmm... I guess it's just a matter of personal preference. I've been using a tablet for about 4 years, so much so that using a mouse just feels... funky...
Hmm... you can get a 4" x 5" USB tablet for $99 here. I got my tablet for $140 4 years ago (and it's a Wacom.) The really nice thing about 'em is that there aren't any moving parts to break. ;-) (Well, unless you accidentally slam the pen and break it, or something... of course I wouldn't know anything about that. <g>)
I don't have trouble with carpal tunnel but I like this Microsoft keyboard that's bent in the middle. I think there are other manufacturers making keyboards like it if you'd rather slit your wrists (not a good way of dealing with carpal) than send any more money to the Gatester. Or you can get the voice recognition software and just talk to your computer. That might take some of the load off the wrists.
Just offering any suggestions I can to keep you in the group, Mindy.
I'm not leaving, come hell or high water. If nothing else I'll teach my parrot to type or something similarly desperate, and if everything fails then I'll still be lurking with the Squirrel Army, waiting for a takeover opportunity... muahaha!
I turned out to be an INFP, like ALbert Schwitzer (!!) today, but I remember taking this test earlier and getting some other result. Hmph. It might have been the Elvis one, but I've been questioning my artistic ability more lately, which could explain the downward slip in those areas. :/
"Your distinct personality, The Prime Minister might be found in most of the thriving kingdoms of the time. You are a strategist who pursues the most efficient and logical path toward the realization of the goal that you perceive or visualize. You will often only associate with those people who can assist you in the implementation of your plan. Inept assistants may be immediately discarded as excess baggage. To do otherwise could be seen as inefficient and illogical. On the positive side, you can be rationally idealistic and analytically ideological. You can be a bold decision maker and risk taker who can move society ahead by years instead of minutes. On the negative side, you may be unmerciful, impatient, arrogant, impetuous and impulsive. Interestingly, your preference is just as applicable in today's corporate kingdoms."
"Your distinct personality, The Benevolent Ruler might be found in most of the thriving kingdoms of the time. You are the idealistic social dreamer. Your overriding goal is to solve the people problems of your world. You are a social reformer who wants everyone to be happy in a world that you can visualize. You are exceptionally perceptive about the woes and needs of humankind. You often have the understanding and skill to readily conceive and implement the solutions to your perceptions. On the positive side, you are creatively persuasive, charismatic and ideologically concerned. On the negative side, you may be unrealistically sentimental, scattered and impulsive, as well as deviously manipulative. Interestingly, your preference is just as applicable in today's corporate kingdoms."
Hah! I am niceperson! Fear my cuddly teddy bears! Ummm....I flee now :)
Bow Down Before Me, peasants!...Unless you have a problem with that, in which case, I totally understand. Why don't we share our feelings on that, hmm?
Yay! Good that you're back, Jess :) Have you heard of a band called White Stripe? They are the fabbest musical thing to emerge from Portland, Oregon since, well, ever probably :) Kind of like a 50's American Arab Strap, with Mogwai guitar bits... mmmmmm nice :)
I got the Dreamer-Minstrel. Hmmm...it looks like I "always look on the bright side of life."
Here's the description: "Your distinct personality, The Dreamer-Minstrel might be found in most of the thriving kingdoms of the time. You can always see the "Silver Lining" to every dark and dreary cloud. Look at the bright side is your motto and understanding why everything happens for the best is your goal. You are the positive optimist of the world who provides the hope for all humankind. There is nothing so terrible that you can not find some good within it. On the positive side, you are spontaneous, charismatic, idealistic and empathic. On the negative side, you may be a sentimental dreamer who is emotionally impractical. Interestingly, your preference is just as applicable in today's corporate kingdoms."
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Does this sound to you like Bubbles from _The Powerpuff Girls_?
Before you take offence, Melissa, Bubbles is my favourite PPG!
Like they *wouldn't* say that! "Your preference has no place in today's corporate kingdoms. Now sign up for one of our management seminars, for only $400 a head."
Personally, Buttercup is my favorite. I have a talking keychain and playset of her. And a talking Mojo Jojo. And 2 PPG shirts. Gee, you'd think I like them or something.
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Never seen stuff like that here. Before I'd seen my first ep of PPG, I did see, reduced by about 75%, a jacket in ?Warner that had what I now was the PPGs on the front. I presume they were selling off PPG clothing cheap 'cos so few people here in the UK know the series.
The idea of a talking Daria keychain amuses me. "Oh, it's so great to spend five hours in your pocket." "Close that purse! I'm trying to study in here."
Even better, a talking Daria conference folder. Made in fine, hand-crafted Italian leather, this useful folder will look right at home in any boardroom or lecture hall. Every time you take a note, and at odd random intervals, hear Daria's comments, including: "*That* idea's going to set the world on fire." "If the only point of this presentation is to transfer your notes into our folders, wouldn't Xeroxing save us all a lot of time?" "Excuse me while I rush out and exercise my stock options." "Is that your own idea, or have you stolen it from an idiot?"
The people who think they have grown up, deceive themselves. I've not met a grown up yet, and I've met some very old people. 8-)
Hey, that's loads better than a 21-year-old who's fastly approaching 40 like some *ahem* people are (pokes self).
Although I did get a chance to see an ep of the Powerpuff Girls and thought it was so entertaining. Like I'm making up for all my childhood or something (where the only cartoon I'd watch was the annual Christmastime airing of "Disney's Christmas Carol").
On Wed, 22 Mar 2000 21:45:31 -0000, "Martin Sylvester" wrote:
Heh, that's more likely.
I got the "Dreamer-Minstrel" as well, but I laughed hard when I read the description based on the questions asked me. Just because I think certain things are important doesn't mean that I'm an optimist. I'm a realist. I believe that human relationships are important. I believe that creative expression is important. That doesn't mean I draw little happy crayon suns all over everything. *Sigh*
Wondering who got "Leather Mug Maker," rich. (Huzzah!)
Daria: "I always knew that I would die in Nowheresville"
Jane: "But I didn't think I'd die there quite so soon."
That's what I was on this one, but I took it before and got INTP. And I took a straight introvert/extrovert test and was extroverted, which disagrees with both of these. I don't think we have very reliable tests here.
Dagny
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"This is the way the world ends Not with a bang but a whimper." -T.S. Eliot
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You know, it would be interesting if somebody created a Daria-themed version (read: parody) of one of these quizzes. (Not that I'm planning on doing it, I'm way too busy.)
On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:09:40 GMT, Tice Rust wrote:
I can see it now...
"Congratulations. You're a Kevin. That means that you're a thick-headed QB who thinks that Brazil's major export has something to do with womens' undergarments, and that sports drinks should be made a separate food group. On the positive side, your thick skull and low density of neural connections make your head a wonderful blunt object for crushing beer cans and other metal objects. Your inability to understand even the simplest of concepts works to your advantage when the revolutionaries look to kill off all of the smart ones, and it serves as a credible exuse to girlfriends when you tell them that you didn't *know* something. Your good looks and winning smile will enable you to have sporadic relationships, until, of course, you graduate high school. On the plus side of that, considering that you're probably dumber than a bag of hammers, you could coast on that for another 7-8 years. On the downside, there aren't many uses for human crash dummies like yourself in a stable society after you graduate or are eventually kicked out, unless, of course, you can run a 4.2 40 and can throw the ball 80 yards, in which case the whole high school thing is a waste of time. Your stupidity makes you unemployable in any jobs that don't require athletic ability, or the ability to execute the simplest of tasks. (However some police departments may be interested in tapping into that thick skull of yours. Can you say "human battering ram?" I knew you could.) Members of the opposite sex won't be as willing to enter even the shortest-term relationships, because no one likes to bed the hired help. Enjoy pumping that gas, naked boy."
Hee hee, I can see that this would be infinitely more useful than most standardized tests, in that it's infinitely more entertaining. ;-)
rich.
Quinn: I can't be a brain! My friends will hate me!
I just took mine...what the bloody hell is a discoverer doing in the kingdom?
"Your distinct personality, The Discoverer, might be found in most of the thriving kingdoms of the time. Your overriding goal is to go where no one else has ever gone before. Regardless of the number of available natural problems to be solved, it is not unusual for you to continually challenge yourself with new situations or obstacles that you have created. You are an insatiable explorer of people, places, things and ideas. You thrive on constant change and anything new or different. On the positive side, you can be creatively rational as well as open minded and just. On the negative side, you might be an impractical and indecisive procrastinator. Interestingly, your preference is just as applicable in today's corporate kingdoms."
On Sat, 18 Mar 2000 23:07:12 -0000, "Greg Pallis" wrote:
I'm an INTJ, which is "Mastermind" apparently. It seems Ayn Rand was one. I'm not sure what that says about me.
Cheers, Nicole Lee
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not "Eureka!" (I found it!) but "That's funny..." -- Isaac Asimov
"No, no, no, Lisa. If adults don't like their jobs, they don't go on strike. They just go in every day and do it really half-assed." -- Homer Simpson
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Hey Greg-- I've been here, sorta-- just haven't had much to say. I've been busy, too. Take the following as my cranky offering to the group. ;-)
On Sun, 19 Mar 2000 05:41:04 GMT, [email] (Nicole Lee) wrote:
I don't remember mine-- once it was INTJ, then it was ENFJ, then something else. The funny part was that both definitions were sort of right in minor bits, but got the major bits wrong. Completely. Dead wrong. So wrong, I howled in laughter. :D
It says about as much about you as your zodiac sign does. ;-) If you read the in-depth analyses of the 16 types, they all read like signs of the zodiac. One of the cooler psych profs I had in undergrad completely debunked the whole Myers-Briggs nonsense-- especially the Keirsey version-- in exhausting detail. In a nutshell, it's just a lame attempt at pigeonholing people based on vague definitions of vague measurements of even vaguer personality traits, all enshrouded in the same pseudoscience that surrounds UFOlogy, crop circles, and the Juice Man. The Keirsey sorter is even more suspect, as it uses even fewer questions, and makes even grosser generalizations about people. (And there's a whole *ton* of crap they try to sell you as well, but I'll save that for another post. ;-)
Actually, it's a very good lame attempt at pigeonholing people, as the folks who copyrighted the exam are making a fortune off of it. Hell, even Fortune 500 companies are using it to evaluate potential employees. Think about it, you'd be horrified if they said, "I'm sorry, but you're an INTJ-- we wanted an *E*NTJ. We're worried about your inability to find pleasure from interacting with other." But you'd laugh if they said, "Oh, too bad, you're Piscean dreaminess just doesn't cut the mustard. We're looking for a fire sign to fill the position." There isn't really any difference between the two. It's junk science posing as real science. And the scary part is that everyone buys into it because a couple of Ph.Ds put their names to it.
I'm not saying that it's a complete waste of time, it's just a grossly inaccurate and somewhat frightening way to use a canned test to predict a person's personality and his/her reactions to past and/or future stimuli. Think about it-- your job could ride on whether you're an E or an I-- a T or a P. And if you've ever worked for a large company, you *know* how lazy they are about that sort of thing-- they'd rather use the test to weed out than base their evaluations on real-world results. (People are lazy and stupid that way. <g>) I'm sure that some companies already use it. Hell, some use the MMPI--- a much better indicator than the Meyers-Briggs of employability, but still a horrible tool for the job. The MMPI should be used by trained professionals, not any old crank in HR. *Shudder* (No offense to HR folks, but the MMPI is for Psychologists/Psychiatrists.)
Personally, I prefer the old-world charm of casting an augury, charting a horoscope, or doing a tarot reading. It's just as accurate in the long run. And consulting the stars or fondling chicken guts seems much more traditional to me in my tastes for junk science-- it has a much more "mysterious" feel to it. But then again, I'm a Cancer with a Cancer moon, and we tend to be moody and cranky. ;-)
Envisioning an astrologer in every HR department 10 years down the road, rich.
Jane: You know, I don't know why people say we have a bad attitude.
On Sun, 19 Mar 2000 10:13:30 GMT, Damon Domjan wrote:
Well, cow guts are good for an overall general picture, but chicken guts provide a certain level of detail that you just don't get out of cow guts these days. ;-)
rich.
Jane: Usually when I have this dream I'm wearing pink taffeta.
On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 07:09:22 -0600, Glenn Olson wrote:
Yes, but you're going to have to feed it the proper herbs and such before casting the augury, or else the gods won't be able to hear the question properly. Have you ever tried keeping a moose? Or a raven, for that matter? They're both a RPITA to keep for the requisite amount of time. Besides, do you know how much ravens and moose COST these days??? Give me a plain ol' chicken every time. They're cheap, plentiful, and easy to keep. And they're dumb enough to eat anything you put in front of 'em.
Well, that goes without saying. Esp. with snakes. ;-)
rich.
"This is Precious Roy, and I just ate a handful of honeybees!" -- Precious Roy.
Yay, nice stuff to talk about. I know I could skip mean posts but sometimes they end up in the middle of threads I was reading...anyways, my Kiersey type is an INFP, almost 100% on all of them.
Please excuse this comment, if someone has already mentioned it, but I really didn't want to read through all 80 messages. It was your plaintive cry that interested me in this thread, and caused me to pause to see how things turned out for you. You seem to be somewhat sensitive, and I wanted to give you some encouragement. It looks like you have been well accepted into the community here from the kinds of posts you have done and the immediate reactions. Just wanted to say, "Stick with it." Although I am no longer a regular contributor here (been ages since I logged on), it's sort of a given that people here are ***VERY*** opinionated. It doesn't really matter what the subject is about, but maybe you've already noticed that. When you put a bunch of opinionated people together, there's bound to be senseless fights, especially during the so-called "drought" between new Daria episodes. It sort of surprizes me that such fights are breaking out mid-season, but then again... :-)
I still remember all of the picky posts about the location of Lawndale (although I don't delusion myself into thinking they have stopped!). Most non-Darianites haven't even heard the abbrevation "'shipper", let alone have read the sometimes comical posts "bordering" on overanalysis regarding the relationship between Daria and Trent. My suggestion is to realize that the folks here are not particularly saintly or demonic, but a lot of fun to talk to, even if every thread or post is not of incredible literary value, or something you want to post on. Hope this post did not seem condescending or cliche, but I think you really will enjoy it here.
I took that test once -- or one of the variants, at least -- in my Faith class in high school. I scored dead even in four categories or some such thing, categorizing me as a INFJ, INFP, INTJ, and INTP. It was very clear on the IN part, though. I've never gotten to make so many split personality jokes in my life. ;-)