Okay, A lot of folks have written a lot of really good points
about Trent. But no one has come up with just what type of character
Trent really is. He's not a jock, a brain, a nerd etc. So, hope this
hasn't been done to death already.
If I were Jake and Trent showed up on my doorstep I'd most likely
shout upstairs, "Hey girls! Someones stoner boyfriend is here!".
There, I said it. I think Trent is a stoner. The look, the lingo,
the search for excessive naptime, to me it all adds up. The only
thing that doesn't back this up is we have never seen Trent having
a crazed Twinkie hunt, but the folks at Daria are too smart for that.
Not that I think that Trent being a stoner is a bad thing. Hell,
from what little I've seen of his mother, I'd bet she's a stoner too.
Not Jane, she's too smart for that crap. I'd also be willing to bet
that Jake and Helen have taken a toke or two during their lifetime
but have left those childish things fall by the wayside.
Of course what makes me sad, is the chance of a rational and sane
episode on the USA war on some drugs is never going to see the light
of day.
Jon Armstrong The Space Ranger Graveyard gives one a unique outlook on life. A dark one.
upstairs, "Hey girls! Someones stoner boyfriend is here!". There, I said it. I think Trent is a stoner. The look, the lingo, the search for excessive naptime, to me it all adds up. << Jon Armstrong
I've had the same thought myself. Drugs also fit into his lifestyle. Wonder if Daria's had this thought too, or if she's too blinded by her own idealized image of Trent to suspect the obvious?
Trent doesn't strike me as the self-destructive type, so he's probably not into the hard stuff, but drugs can sneak up on you. If his life got too frustrating he might easily develop a full-blown addiction to something nasty. This might well happen if he moved out of Lawndale.
a crazed Twinkie hunt, but the folks at Daria are too smart for that. <<
Have we ever seen Trent eat *anything*? Does he actually "eat?" Coming up on Sick Sad World ...
little I've seen of his mother, I'd bet she's a stoner too. <<
That would surprise me even less than learning Trent was.
She might have experimented and found it boring. Jane likes to experiment with stuff, if you've noticed. I guarantee that is she was doing drugs she wouldn't do them around Daria, because Daria strikes me as very "clean" that way.
during their lifetime but have left those childish things fall by the wayside. <<
Yes, almost certainly. They came out of the 1960's, but they are now throroughly "respectable". Jake may see Trent as being a lot like he was in his younger years, which may be why Jake likes him.
the USA war on some drugs is never going to see the light of day. <<
The major problem with doing a drugs episode involving the main characters is that it would be hard to keep it funny and non-preachy while doing it well. They've done drug jokes on the show, but having one of the major characters be a druggie is a another thing entirely. There's also the question of how they'd handle the resolution ... it'll look really phony if they do the After School Special routine and resolve it all in one episode.
So they may just continue to avoid the whole issue. Which is probably ok ...
Yeah, but over here in the US, most people are so anal that Ab Fab could never have been made here. Over here, adults doing drugs is ok if they are th bad guys. Proto-adults? Never! Tis truly a shame.
Jon Armstrong The Space Ranger Graveyard gives one a unique outlook on life. A dark one.
IIRC, they tried to make an americanized AbFab on the ABC network before the Disney merger. I think it was going to be produced by Roseanne and it was going to star Carrie Fischer as Edina (I think). apparently the network didn't like all the drugs, sex, and alcohol (in the show <g>) so it never happened.
You IIRC right. No network would touch it. I blame it all on the 'Family Values' groups utter paranoia about anyone enjoying themself. Unless it's the leader of the 'FV' group, usually behind closed doors, and most likely with a sheep.
Jon Armstrong The Space Ranger Graveyard gives one a unique outlook on life. A dark one.
I do so very much hate those "family values"-spouting religious right radicals. They give Christianity such a bad name. Especially that buffoon Jerry Falwell and that bad-excuse-of-a-y-chromosome Pat Robertson. I hate them both and think they're _so_ not Christian at all. They don't have the guts to be truly Christian.
Rush Limbaugh and Dr. Laura can both kiss my grits as well.
deena lissa
"You are lost and alone, but a prisoner of your pride..." (Duran Duran 1986) Jane: Dear Daria, Lousy Traitor. Daria: Dear Jane, I know what you are, but what am I?
What's really creepy is that one of the AM stations here plays one after the other. A competing station has an on-air bumper it runs that says, "If you're a mouth-breather whose lips move while you read, your station is 17 notches down the dial." <g>
The funny thing is that I remember hearing about how so many people listened to Rush, and how he was having such a great influence on national politics, but, TBQH, I don't know of anyone that's listened to him in the last couple of years. Like with all blowhards, I guess the novelty wears off pretty quickly.
As for Dr. Laura, well, she's just plain mean/evil/abusive/nasty/insert appropriate excoriation here.
Oh, yeah, *that's* why I always play CDs when I drive!
rich.
Quinn: People are so weird!
Daria: Some are weird. Some are just astonishingly self-centered and deceitful.
Tell, it, sister! I've *never* understood how people can claim to be Christian while displaying all the signs of puritanical, killjoy, purse-lipped cheerlessness. (But I'm a Catholic, so they'd probably label me as an indulgent, depraved, shallow, grinning papist!)
I'm all for family values (if you define that as respecting the integrity and dignity of every human being), but not as a bludgeon to beat people with. ISTR Someone told His disciples not to judge others?
Good way of putting it -- not! *g* Actually, I don't know a whole lot about Protestantism (perhaps even less than what I know about Hinduism or Taoism or Zoroastrianism or any one of the other major religions), so basically all I really know about Episcopals are that they're like Catholics except they can divorce once and females can be priests. And they're more welcoming to gays and lesbians. Gawd. Catholicism seems so fuddy-duddy now.
btw -- almost had a heart attack when I saw "sister" being mentioned in reference to me. I _do not_ want to be a nun! I rather like being only slightly screwed up (runs and hides from the masses of ordained sisters who are after her).
deena lissa geniune survivor of pure Catholic schooling
"You are lost and alone, but a prisoner of your pride..." (Duran Duran 1986) Jane: Dear Daria, Lousy Traitor. Daria: Dear Jane, I know what you are, but what am I?
Heh, when my bother and I were kids, our Mum always hoped we'd get The Call, and become Priests, though nowadays that prospect is HIGHLY unlikely (barring miracles/divine intervention). When we were about 6 or 7, our Parish priest asked us if we wanted to be altar boys. Our reaction then was "Urgh! No way!"; it was only years later, I found out it was supposed to be a great honour to be asked. Out of the mouths of babes, etc. But now I think about it, Mum left the decision up to us (ignorant children that we were); it would have been easy to have answered for us, or talked us into going.
In my experience, people who go through Catholic School tend to leave it either very devout, or reject it completely. I guess having been through a Catholic high school, and not _Catholic School_, has just left me ambivalent...
<smirk> When I was asked (at pre-school age) if I wanted to be an altar boy when I was old enough, I replied, "I'd rather be a cowboy."
That's exactly how the PP headed it when he reported the story in the parish bulletin!
Our senior server (at the age of 87, no-one's going to call him an "altar boy") is called Charles. When the first batch of female servers began their ministry, some wag instantly nicknamed them "Charlie's Angels."
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As the old joke down South goes, "I'd love to be an Episcopalian, but I don't make enough money yet." <g> (Helen's family is the typical Southern Episcopalian family-- lots of money and very screwy. <g>)
The funny thing is that my mother and sister are Catholic, and my father and I were both raised Protestant. (No, no divorce, it just worked out that way.) One odd thing (of many) is that while I was growing up, it seemed that every now and then someone would come by and make half of the family feel that the other half of the family wouldn't be joining them one day... if you know what I mean... ;-) Of course, my mom was used to this, because on her side of the family, half of the family is Catholic, and the other half is Lutheran-- one of my great uncles was a Cistercian Monk (eventually became a Monsignor, IIRC), while another great uncle was a Lutheran Minister (but he quit after a while to teach Biology, IIRC.) I'm sure the holidays were very interesting, but it was all before my time. *Sigh*
Remind me to tell the story about how my uncle the Cistercian hated to visit one of the local monasteries when he was vising with the family in Germany... it had something to do with vegetable stew, bowls, and cleaning habits. <g> (For some reason, the Cistercians were not allowed to have monasteries in Germany (I can't remember why), so he lived in Austria.)
Is Zoroastrianism a major religion? I'd never heard of it! I know quite a lot about Hinduism - I know some Hindus and we've done it to death in RS. Not as much as we did Islam, though, thankfully. :)
They were a group that worshipped the sun god Mazda (no, not the car Mazda), and the 3 kings or wise men or whatever from Epiphany are theoried to possibly have been Zorastrians. There was also a prophet called Zoraster who taught a moral-type philosophy. Nietzsche based Zarathustra on him in the idea that the man who brought morality into the world should also remove morality from the world. Of course I could have a lot of this confused since the first bit came from the ex-minister at my second ex-church and the second bit came from my father.
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IIRC, the full name of the sun god was Ahura Mazda, and his evil nemesis was called Ahriman. The interesting thing is that there aren't any other gods or goddesses in this religion-- just those two. I wish I could remember more, as I haven't studied it in about 12 years. ISTR that there was supposed to be a final confrontation between the two gods, in which Ahura Mazda would prevail, but I'm not too sure, either. I may have just hallucinated the whole thing. <g>
rich.
Jane: Usually when I have this dream I'm wearing pink taffeta.
However, Ahura Mazda had a *Son.* His name was Mithras and he was born on the 25th of December of a virgin mother, a birth witnessed by shepherds. Mithras was ashamed of his nakedness when he was born, so the first thing he did was crawl to a fig tree and decorate his loins. Mithras grew to manhood, and became a hero saving humanity time and time again from the evil designs of Ahriman. In the time of a flood, it was Mithras' boat which saved humanity from drowning. In the time of a drought, Mithras shot arrows into a rock bringing forth water. Finally Ahriman sent forth a huge bull which terrorized humanity. Mithras engaged the bull in combat, killing it, but was mortally wounded in the process. (Bullfighting began in Greece as a commemoration of the struggle of Mithras with the bull...the practice spread to Spain during Roman times) Mithras died, but arose again, and after a supper with 12 disciples, each one symbolic of a sign of the Zodiac, Mithras arose into the heavens where the stars swore him fealty. Mithras was expected to return to defeat Ahriman once and for all.
The Mithras cult was big in Rome during the first few centuries immediately before and after the beginnings of Christianity. The chief of the Mithraeum was known as the Pontifex Maximus. A commemoration of the supper the resurrected Mithras celebrated with his 12 disciples was a part of Mithraic festivities, and was called Mizd in Farsi, Missa in Latin. The Mithras cult was open only to men, and initiates who reached the grade of "Miles" (Soldier) would be marked with a hot brand on their right hand and forehead, as Roman soldiers were. The Mithras cult degenerated from true religion to a sort of proto-Freemasonry, a lodge to attend where men could bond and get away from "the old ball and chain" for a while.
The Mithras cult is very interesting in that so much of its dogma intersected with Christianity. It has been postulated by brave souls that St. Paul might have had contact with or even was an initiate of the Mithraeum. And from that, one can draw their own conclusions.
Thanks, Michelle! I remembered some of that from my HS World History class-- which breaks another stereotype-- who'd've guessed that Zoroastrianism would've been taught objectively, let alone discussed in a Southern HS in the mid-late 1980s? <g> I'd forgotten about its influence in the mediterranean, though-- I'd thought that it was a uniquely Persian thing. You learn something new every day, I guess.
rich.
"This is Precious Roy, and I just ate a handful of honeybees!" -- Precious Roy.
Thanks...I guess that this is kind of a hobbyhorse for me. I actually "did time" as a Hebrew Christian (Born-Again Christianity with a liberal sprinkling of Yiddishkeit) in the early 1980s until I "saw the light" and realized it was not for me. The Mithras connection came a little later...I read a little about it in my JHS/HS years but never knew *all* the "coinkydinks" between the Mithras mythos and Judeo-Christian mythos until I did some digging on my own.
It is also worth noting that the concept of the Messiah was different in Judaism for most of the religion's history. The prototype of the Moshiach was Moses...the word Moshiach and the name Mosheh are cognates of each other. Up until the Middle Ages, well past the reconstruction of Temple Judaism into Rabbinical Judaism, the Moshiach was considered a mortal man given a mission by God to act as a political liberator. Moses, David, Judah Maccabeus and even the Gentile King Cyrus of Persia were all considered as a Moshiach.
The Jews in the time of Melech Yehoshua (Jesus) were expecting a mortal man and a political liberator to crush the Roman tyranny and reinstate the Davidic dynasty. This Moshiach would have to be a descendent of the Royal Line of David to legitimately claim the throne of the Hebrew State. The best evidence that exists of the "real" Yehoshua ben Yussef was that he was the best candidate for the throne, and led a rebel group. After being betrayed into the hands of the Romans and executed, the baton passed to his brother Yaakov (James) and perhaps to a son of Yaakov also named Yehoshua.
It was up to a later myth-maker to forge a Greco/Romano/Persian God-Man concept around the life and death of Yehoshua ben Yussef. Paul is a likely suspect, and the founding of the religion of Christianity was likely an attempt to blunt the political ambitions of a future heir of the Davidic line. If enough Jews looked to the skies rather than to one of their own for their hopes for redemption, the uprisings might be easily quelled. Pie in the sky when you die, by and by is a great way of keeping slaves happy and obedient.
The Bar Kochba uprising, (c. Second Century of the Common Era) where Jewish Christians who had swallowed the God-Man concept of Christianity and looked to a second coming for redemption openly rebelled against Simon Bar Kochba, a descendant of David backed for the throne by Rabbi Akiba and other Jewish religious figures, made the break between Christian Jews and Nationalist Jews complete. Up until then Christian Jews and other Jews worshipped together.
However, during the Middle Ages the Christian bastardization of the Moshiach concept leaked into Rabbinical Judaism. Now Jews as well as Christians expect a "fully God, fully Man," miracle-working redeemer, not a mortal chosen by God to lead the Jews politically. Only Islam has kept an authentic picture of the ancient concept of the Moshiach in their expectations of the Mahdi. The Mahdi is not a God-Man...there is no God but God. He is a mortal man like Mohammed, and like Mohammed will be a military and political as well as a religious leader. The Mahdi will lead a great Jihad and unite the world under Islam, according to their beliefs.
I know this all will piss off the Christians on this newsgroup, and I'm wildly off topic here, but I think that Daria would be very interested in a thread like this if she was a real woman rather than ink and paint. I suspect she is a skeptic and a materialist through and through. In "The Aftermath" Daria makes this comment:
"I don't know what I think of all this. I suppose God is better than Fashion to build your life around, but I see both as hollow at their core. I would rather base my life around reality than something that's a human construct at best or a lie at worst. I am not an atheist in that I do not have enough information to totally reject the idea of a God or gods or whatever, but I certainly don't have enough information to say that there is one or many either."
Anyway, this is the last I will speak of this on the newsgroup. I will now return you to your regularly scheduled threads.
On Wed, 03 Mar 1999 08:37:55 -0800, [email] (Michelle Klein-Hass) wrote:
As the Official Darianite Token Christian, I will point out that the real explanation is the devil's deceptiveness. It is far easier to mix the truth with a lie and feed it to people than convince them of something with no truth to it whatsoever.
___
Kyle
You wanna come over here and say that? Oh, you do? I was kinda hopin you'd back off, so nevermind.
Another Nugget Of Wisdom from the Wonderful World Of Kyle(TM)
Another way of looking it is that these pre-Christian myths were expressions of truths only half-glimpsed, pre-echoes of events to come in salvation history. Since the human race had been waiting for salvation since the fall of our first ancestors, it would be amazing if in all the world's myths there weren't coincidences with what happened in the person of Christ. Human beings were expressing in myth a longing for the gift that was to come to them in the birth, life, death, resurrection and ascension of Christ, and the sending of the Holy Spirit. Can we allow that in their longing they might have been granted a glimpse of the divine truth that was later to be fully revealed in Jesus, and encapsulated that glimpse of divine truth in their myths?
I don't dispute this, but as a Catholic Christian I am urged to recognise the work of God in whatever within other religions carries truth and encourages love. NB: I'm not saying Kyle doesn't do the same, or that this is an attitude found only in Catholics. Nor am I saying that you have to choose between acknowledging "the devil's deceptivness" on the one hand, and recognising something of hal-glimpsed revelation on the other. Cherishing truth and naming error as error do go hand in hand, ISTM.
Apologies to the non-Christian readers who are already fed up by this! I hope it doesn't turn into a pointless theological debate (This week on atd, we decide: which is the true religion). <g>
Persons who feel any joke incorporating a biblical quotation (or mentioning the theologian Karl Rahner) is a sin crying out for God's vengeance should skip the rest of this post. ;-)
Jesus asked his disciples who people said he was. Some said Elijah, they told him, others Jeremiah or one of the prophets. "But you," he said, "Who do you say I am?" It was Karl Rahner who spoke up. "You are the eschatological incarnation of the soteriological hopes of humanity's common faith story." And Jesus said unto him, "What?"
Good one, Martin... <g> Of course, having already felt the vengeance of the forces of nature today (nasty storm... see previous post), I won't laugh *too* loud, or else my garbage cans might "accidentally" blow away again. <g>
hoping the Big Guy has a sense of humor, rich.
"Absolute certainty is stasis, boring. We need uncertainty -- it's the only way to go." -- Dr. Leon Lederman, physicist.
LOL...interesting perspective on things.... Sheesh, why do I suddenly feel transported back to religion class? I did twelve friggin years of religion, and even one whole semester in college...gawd. Ah well....
I'm sure S/He does. I'm sure S/He's just rolling with laughter at this moment as he sees these so-called "disciples" of His/Hers on TV. And S/He's gotta have a sense of humor for some of the things S/He's done/not done.
(btw -- can I say that this is a really cool quote? I love it!)
deena lissa
"You are lost and alone, but a prisoner of your pride..." (Duran Duran 1986) Jane: Dear Daria, Lousy Traitor. Daria: Dear Jane, I know what you are, but what am I?
Oh, of course. As one comedian said, "God has to have a sense of humor. Just look at the duck-billed platypus." <g> Or, you could substitute "humans" for the duck-billed platypus, I guess. <g>
Thanks. I heard him say it on a show on TLC called "Understanding Uncertainty." It was all about quantum mechanics-- you know, fun stuff like Schroedinger, JS Bell, Einstein, Heisenberg. You'd probably like it. :-) They rerun all of the "Understanding" shows every now and then in a weekend marathon. They've got some pretty cool topics, too, like Magnetism, Viruses, etc., etc.
The nice thing about Agent is that you can set up a variety of Sigs, and pick and choose whichever one you feel is appropriate for a given post. Hmm... what to pick, what to pick...
rich.
Jane: You know, I don't know why people say we have a bad attitude.
Oh, was it on one of those "Understanding" shows? I've only seen a few, but love them infinitely. They're so intriguing and entertaining, as well as being informative. I've seen the one on magnetism, and I think also the one on viruses, as well. What's the one with the lamp...the electricity one? I know I've seen that because that kind of thing is something one doesn't forget soon.
Oh, I wish I could do that! When I had a Netscape Webmail account I had that same option for my e-mail .sigs. It was cool. Ah well...I guess that's what "cut" and "paste" are for then.... :)
deena lissa
"You are lost and alone, but a prisoner of your pride..." (Duran Duran 1986) Jane: Dear Daria, Lousy Traitor. Daria: Dear Jane, I know what you are, but what am I?
On Thu, 04 Mar 1999 13:32:25 GMT, deena lissa wrote:
Ugh... semantic trash heap. Ok, since you just HAD to do that, allow me to give my own opinion on that. If He created them male and female, along with everything else, what does that make Him? (In other words, if he created the very concept of gender, which is he (the "he's" being the limitation of a language that can't possibliy call Him "it")?
Oops! Almost forgot my disclaimer:
But why listen to me? I'm just a gentile philosopher with some knowledge of scripture.
I believe that God is both male and female, because according to the Creation story God created humanity in his/her own likeness. Actually, I think that God is both male and female AND of no particular gender at all. I believe that God just is, a spirit, an entity bigger than anyone can imagine. And that God is everything and everyone. At least that's what I picture God to be.
I do know this...the head of the religion department over at my high school, a nun who taught my freshman-year religion class, always would substitute any pronoun reference to God with "God" just so no one could get the idea God was of any particular maleness/femaleness. I think that's a good idea. Even better than my idea.
deena lissa
"You are lost and alone, but a prisoner of your pride..." (Duran Duran 1986) Jane: Dear Daria, Lousy Traitor. Daria: Dear Jane, I know what you are, but what am I?
I (and all evolutionists) believe that God is creation of Man, not the other way around. Furthermore, we believe that 'God' is a concept, not a being. As such, I find this discussion of "the alimighy's" gender to be, quite frankly, absurd.
If you look at the history of the concept of 'god', you will see that gods came about to give cause to effects unexplained. For example- a culture would create a sun god, to be perceived as the cause of the existence and movement of the sun. Many cultures have chosen to depict their gods in human form, which makes it easier to assign them human traits and behaviors that can be understood by their worshipers. For example: what good would it do to call your god benevolent (a human characteristic) if your god was not understood to be at least partly human.
Gods have been given gender for similar reasons; so that they may inherit what were considered (by the culture in question) to be gender specific traits. Other times, gender has been assigned without clear or known reasoning. In any case, the end result is this: Many gods have been created in the image of man/woman.
Slowly over time, as we [the human race] have learned more about our universe, many of these gods have been replaced by knowledge and understanding. But there is much still to be learned, and as long as some things remain mysterious, some people will retain belief in a god. This seems reasonable to me.
Of course, there are some people who have simply been brainwashed into blind faith (i.e. those who are were raised religious and close-minded, and who have never found the courage to question their faith). For these people, a feel deep pity (and sometimes contempt). Most TV preachers fit into this category, and are motivated only by greed to share their silly ideas.
I dunno, I've met a few people who believe in both the theory of evolution and the existence of the (stereotypical Christanity/Judaism/Islam/etc) God. While I myself am atheist, I do know that those sort of people do exist. As to the discussion of this god's gender, well, I'd just as soon stay out of that discussion. :-) To each his or her own path, is my way of looking at it.
Time for another vote? Anyone who wants to suggest a religion should write up a summary of its cosmology, philosophy, and policies in no more than one page (single spaced, 80 columns) and post it to alt.tv.daria before March 12. After all candidate religions have been entered, readers of a.t.d. will have one week to vote (only one vote per person, please). The religion receiving the most votes will be declared the One True Religion. No one will have to convert, of course, but any posts that make reference to an untrue religion will require a heresy warning in the subject line and a 50 line heresy space.
After that, atd solves the injustices in international trade, and agrees a solution to the Northern Ireland question, famine, the Middle East, drought, the Balkans, and terrorism; and agrees a way of protecting any home from flood or hurricance for only a dollar a month. ;:-)
LOL...also remember about the civil unrest in various parts of Africa, and the mass bloodshed in South Africa, as well as police corruption around the world including, sadly enough, my ancestral land of Mexico. How about free international calls? Not a penny for calls from Kalamazoo to Kyoto, from Montserrat to Miami, from Boston to Brazil.
deena lissa chuckling in dreamland
"You are lost and alone, but a prisoner of your pride..." (Duran Duran 1986) Jane: Dear Daria, Lousy Traitor. Daria: Dear Jane, I know what you are, but what am I?
It's far more interesting to give a good study at pagan mythology, really READ the Bible, and then see just how many "christian" denominations qualify under that explanation you just used...
But then again, why listen to me? I'm just a gentile philosopher with some knowledge of scripture. (Official religeous discussion end disclaimer. Expect to see this line many times in the future.)
intersected with Christianity. << Michelle Klein-Hass
Yes. The concept of the "Son of God" as "savior" is older than either Mithraism or Christianity, incidentally ... you can see it in Greek mythology (Heracles is the son of Zeus and he saves Mankind from many evil monsters), Egyptian mythology (Horus the Avenging Son, from which Disney got "The Lion King"), and (in the "sacrificial beloved" concept) Sumerian mythology (Inanna and Tammuz).
I have a feeling that if JC came back today, he'd be thrashing Jerry,
Pat and all the others right out of the temple.
I've got this weird idea to build an arena, stock it with lions,
and invite them all for a game. Most likely be charged with cruelty
to animals. ;)
Can he thrash Brian Bolen too? (Can we punish him now? Casn we punish him?... hehe, just watched "Pinch Sitter") Brian is a stupid freshman Christian asshole (which does not imply that all Christians or even all freshman are stupid or assholes) Brian has the idea that Christianity means:
1. Going around saying "I am a Christian!!" 2. Hating and attacking everyone who is not Christian (Jews, atheists, etc.)and calling everyone he doesn't like "jew" (which pissed me off. A lot.) 3. Protesting the theory of evolution and the big bang theory.
"So who's on tonight?" "You are" "I should warm my vocal chords... lalalala... hows that?" "Excellent, excellent. Now try screaming for help."
Opening act, the East Finchley Boy Scout troup will get eaten by a lion!
etc etc probably quoted wrong not that anyone but Fr. Martin would recognize it...
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etc.)and calling everyone he doesn't like "jew" (which pissed me off. A lot.) << Eccles9697
That's pretty funny, considering that Jesus Christ was most definitely Jewish ... "Christianity" didn't become a seperate religion until at least 50 years after his death c. CE 30. The final schism took place in the late 1st century.
I know a joke about that, but I won't post it unless people ask...
Apparently, most of the modern (that is, 20th Century) pictures of Jesus are based on a painting of a farmer from Iowa in the 1930s; some reverend or pastor or something saw this farmer while driving along, figured he was the spitting image of Jesus, and a had a painting of him done dressed up as Christ. Then other people made copies of it, which is why He is depicted as being a brown haired caucasian. I can't even remember where I heard that story though...
I do recall reading in the paper, when an animation company made an animated version of the New Testament, the character designer wanted to do a fairly realistic portrayal of 1st century middle-easterners. When one of the backers saw a preview version of Jesus, they said "But... He looks Semitic!"
I do recall reading in the paper, when an animation company made an animated version of the New Testament, the character designer wanted to do a fairly realistic portrayal of 1st century middle-easterners. When one of the backers saw a preview version of Jesus, they said "But... He looks Semitic!" << Bear
It's a nice story, but it's pretty obvious the "Jesus as a brown haired caucasian" tradition started much, much earlier. Lots of artwork from the middle ages and the reneissance period show him as such. Also, I've seen plenty of pre-1930s Catholic statuary that show him as being a caucasian with brown hair.
It's a nice attempt to try to bring the image firmly into the 20th century, but ultimately it smacks of revisionism to me.
Now, now. IIRC one of the basic tenets of Christianity is forgiveness. I think you should forgive this guy for not being born during the Spanish Inquistion. Include him in your fun. Say to him something like, "I'm glad you're such an expert Christian. We're having a historical reenactment this coming Good Friday. Since you know so much, we'd like you to be the guest of honor.". Be sure to be tossing around a couple of railroad spikes at the time. Or you could give him the martyrdom he craves. However, cramming an auto tire over his shoulders, pinning his arms to his sides, and lighting it on fire will get you talked about.
HTH
Jon Armstrong The Space Ranger Graveyard gives one a unique outlook on life. A dark one.
So you've developed the same visuals as well...? Excellent. Now for the arena idea...*sigh*, the ASPCA would probably never have it...unless we prematurely maim those SOBs and have the lions deal with injureds...yeah, nice kitty, nice kitty.... :)
deena lissa who'd only cry if a lion or an innocent bystander got hurt
"You are lost and alone, but a prisoner of your pride..." (Duran Duran 1986) Jane: Dear Daria, Lousy Traitor. Daria: Dear Jane, I know what you are, but what am I?
Carrie Fisher would have been quite good I think, ISTR she is an ex- junkie isn't she, or ex-alcoholic maybe? I think she talked about it in an interview with Ruby Wax, unless I've got her all mixed up with someone else.
preachy. In fact I'm not sure if there have been any *non*drugs episodes... << Shez
Well yes, but the drug abuse by two of the main characters *is* one of the running gags on that show, with a lot of humor being derived from the contrast between their attitudes and that of Saffron. That was established from the very first episode.
I'm not sure how you could do the equivalent sort of story on Daria, since it's never been established if any of the characters are using drugs. It's difficult to see Daria herself doing so (in fact one of the running gags is Jake's fear that she is), though it would be fairly easy to see Quinn doing so (if she thought it would make her more popular). Jane, maybe, but not around Daria, and Daria's probable reaction wouldn't be funny.
I could easily see Trent and Jesse as stoners, they fit a lot of the stereotype already and we know that they drink a lot (off-camera). I don't see how you could hang a funny (as opposed to preachy) plot on this, though. They've already done a lot of drunk jokes about them.
Aside from Mack and Jodie, any or all of the secondary characters could easily be doing drugs and it wouldn't change the perceived reality of the show very much. I guess this could be funny.
I really don't want to see them doing a "drugs" episode because I have a very good idea of how it would have to go to work on American television, and it would wind up being either preachy or doing violence to the established characterizations, or both. Likely structure would be for Daria to discover that some of her friends who she thought weren't doing drugs were, which wouldn't work as comedy *unless* the stereotypes were stood on their heads (i.e. have it turn out that Trent isn't and Quinn is, or something like that). Of course, the funniest way of doing it would be for everyone (ranging from school authorities to Daria's parents) to become firmly convinced that Daria was a major druggie, etc. But didn't they already do that with Jake and the drug pamphlet?
Jake & Helen are probably on cocaine, that would explain a lot. It would make a great episode too for Daria to discover this, perhaps just after Jake has been lecturing her on the dangers of drugs. How would she deal with this shock discovery?
Or maybe Jake is a bit psycho because he used to do LSD as a student and now he's suffering flashbacks, all those outbursts about military school stuff and so on, he probably gets his whole life flashing before his eyes...
Ms Li on the other hand is definitely a barbiturates person, she's a real downer. Actually her congested voice suggests glue sniffing come to think of it...
Don't know about that ... Jake's pretty paranoid about the possibility that his offspring might be using drugs (which makes it unlikely that he is *now* but *very* likely that he did so *once*. Helen seems too obsessed with being perfect to be using (though of course cocaine is the drug of choice of many perfectionists).
just after Jake has been lecturing her on the dangers of drugs. How would she deal with this shock discovery? <<
Well, the irony here would be that the way Daria's personality works she'd be the *last* person to do drugs.
and now he's suffering flashbacks, all those outbursts about military school stuff and so on, he probably gets his whole life flashing before his eyes... <<
I could *very* easily see this ... actually, he's definitely skidding near the edge of sanity.
downer. Actually her congested voice suggests glue sniffing come to think of it... <<
She could be into literally *anything* ... and where does she get all that money anyway?
Actually, I think the person who's unwittingly attached to the lie detector is the bookkeeper or somesuch. (That's why she's saying "I would have sworn I budgeted...") Ms Li doesn't trust her and has her hooked up to the lie detector. Notice she hides the machine as soon as she can see the bookkeeper is not lying from the printouts.
Of course, using a lie detector without consent is a violation of privacy, so the point is to show how much of a martinet Ms Li is.
On Wed, 03 Mar 1999 17:19:29 -0600, Alvaro Fernandez wrote:
Actually, it's the Economics teacher, Mrs. Bennett (re: "Malled" and "This Year's Model").
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