Boxing Daria - some random thoughts

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This was very different from most episodes of Daria. It wasn't really a wry look at reality, or illuminating a problem with the typical twist. It was a straight out study of the events that shaped Jake and Helen's daughter into the girl she is today. There was a lot about her sister Daria, also.

Quinn taking the box back to the curb the second time was the first time I can remember with Quinn in a prolonged moment by herself and not putting on her front for possible observers. Mouth like a longshoreman on that girl (assuming that the cartoon euphemism equals the comic book euphemism).

The scene in the car, when they're coming back from the psychologist. 'look at me!, please, look at me!, I'm being everything you wanted out of Daria, please notice me!' Daria hasn't really thought through how much her bahavior growing up, and the concomitant focus by her parents on her, shaped Quinn.

And, of course, the box and the note at the end.

"William George Ferguson" wrote in message news:[email]...

Given Quinn's feelings about sex (Ewww!), it makes perfect sense for her not to want to use the usual f-word.

Joe Gottman

Joe Gottman said:

Eh ... I think she was cursing :)

Oh, how we all miss a REALLY Quinn-centric episode...just following her around all day, hearing her inner thoughts...now THAT'D be 22 minutes I'd like to see.

Turns out she can get just as angry as her sister...and isn't afraid to express it.

I haven't heard "concomitant" since 300-level sociology classes...and you spelled it right. Bravo! :-)

Of course, the other episode we need to see is the two of them meeting for lunch somewhere in Manhattan or San Fransisco in about 20 years...hee hee hee.

Al

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I wouldn't mind seeing a series focusing on the Fashion Club.

Seriously -- I don't know if I could take 5 seasons of it, but I could enjoy a season or so of them.

They'd need a straight man, though.

"Jordan S. Bassior" wrote in message news:[email]...

enjoy a

I wouldn't mind it! I especially wouldn't mind it if the amount of time spent on each subject was roughly broken up as follows:

15% Fashion Club 10% Quinn & dating (like maybe her tutor) 10% Quinn & school 10% Daria & college

5% Jane's art career 5% Jane's love life 5% Trent 5% Stacy dating (Chuck?) 5% Sandy slowly maturing. 5% Daria & Quinn 5% Daria & Tom 5% Quinn's mom

3% Quinn's dad 2% The high school art teacher 2% Mr. O'Neill 2% Mr. DeMartino 2% Chuck at college 2% Tom's sister 2% That kid Daria talked to in IIFY

Now there would be a "Fashion Club" series I could sink my teeth into!

Great Idea! It could be called, "Tiffany and Friends". or maybe "Tiffany Tales". : D

Actually, I should set up a shrine to Tiffany. I just don't know when I'd have the time. Busy, busy.

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A Fashion Club show would tell us more about Tiffany and Stacy, but Daria would be less prominent. She would appear only because she's Quinn's sister, and Daria's own circle of friends (like Tom and Jane) would appear very seldom and be mentioned only occasionally on the rest of the shows.

We'd find out if Tiffany was really adopted, for one thing, and whether her parents are really Jewish, which the name Blum-Denker seems to imply to me.

Some of you already know my theory about Tiffany: that her sluggish, stupid behavior is the result of diet pill addiction or some sort of chemical imbalance. If she got cured of that, she might be a more interesting character. Without a change like that, a show built around Tiffany wouldn't be particularly interesting. It would revolve around feeling superior to Tiffany. That can only last so long.

Just a few thoughts about Tiffany. I don't find Tiffany loathsome in the way I do Sandi or Mr. O'Neill.

Steve Cross

Wait a minute! You're not entirely serious about this, are you?

I respond to my own post in order to clarify something. I wrote:

I don't find her loathsome in any other way, for that matter. She's funny but in a kind of pathetic way. She could be funny in other ways if she wasn't such an utter dunce.

Steve Cross

About a show that revolves around Tiffany? No. That's why I had the "laughing face" at the end. I realize that a show about la Tiff wouldn't be very interesting in the long run, but I'd watch it. Am I serious about setting up a Tiffany shrine? Well, it's an idea I've been playing around with. I'm a moderately decent cartoonist, and if I could get the "Daria style" of art right, it might be fun.

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Know all men by these presents, that the aforesaid [email] (Richard Alger) did write in news:25496-3B3DDC4A-10@storefull- 152.iap.bryant.webtv.net, on the date of 30 Jun 2001:

A Tiffany shrine seems uniquely appropriate - I've been reading a lot about Shrine Shinto lately. Will there be an altar where the unfashionable come to make offerings? ^_^

-Mark Steese a/k/a Corvus Marinus

In article , Corvus

"Ohhh that look is so two years ago! <clap><clap> Namaida namaida namaida...."

Sa dame ja!!! (Whoops! Wrong series!) ^_^

Corvus Marinus said:

There will be at least two altars, one entered from the front and reached by a marble staircase through a glorious antechamber. This is for the Fashionable.

The Unfashionable go around the back and leave their offerings in a back room :)

Oh, and the ritual invocation of the deity is "No, you're not fat. You look good in that."

Do we get to stroke her hair?

"BA" wrote in message news:[email]...

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No but we do get to tend to the gardening at the shrine...

Firah

Know all men by these presents, that the aforesaid [email] (BA) did write in news:[email], on the date of 30 Jun 2001:

Only if you make the ritual offering of a mirror. And it has to be a *really cute* mirror.

(At the Quinn shrine, the ritual offering is a diet soda, and in return you get exactly what you're getting now - nothing!)

Mark Steese a/k/a Corvus Marinus

Only if you're a substitute English teacher and aspiring novelist who wears a tweed jacket.

And when you do, the image's mouth opens, the eyes open wider, and the miraculous voice says, "Wha-a-a-a-a-t?"

The Vatican is currently studying this miracle. Brace yourselves for St. Tiffany's Makeup School.

Steve Cross

Know all men by these presents, that the aforesaid [email] (Jordan S. Bassior) did write in news:[email], on the date of 30 Jun 2001:

Sandi: I hardly think the Fashionable would *need* to waste their time going to a shrine or whatever.

Quinn: A *shrine*? Ewww! With those guys who drive the little cars and wear those red hats?

Stacy: With the *tassels*? Oh my God!

Tiffany: Tassels...brrr.

The deity looks good in anything: she has perfectly symmetrical shoulders. ^_^

Mark Steese a/k/a Corvus Marinus

Mustn't forget the belly dancers. A true sin, in the world of the Fashion Club....and mine, for that matter.

jessica

Jessica said:

Not the "belly" part, though. Most of them _like_ bare-midriff fashions.

It's the "dancing" part. Too much like work. You'll get sweaty.

Unless the bare midriffs are those of 50+ year old men, enhanced by beer. "Ewwww" is pretty much the only thing to describe the bellydancing Shriners. (well, terrifying works well too) Is that just unique to my city's parades?

"Ewww......sweat"

jessica

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Barf out! Gag me with a spoooon! Gerrrosss! Ayeyam shure...

Go to any beer dispensory in any major city and by about midnight you should see these people appear. The only thing worse is the "Builders' Smile"...

"Snot!" ;)

Know all men by these presents, that the aforesaid [email] (Jessica) did write in news:[email], on the date of 30 Jun 2001:

Belly...dancing...Shriners...

I don't think "Ewwww" is expressive enough, frankly. There's an image more frightening than Mr. DeMartino as Mena Suvari. I doubt if the Fashion Club would *ever* recover from something like that. (Remember that Stacy was grossed out just by seeing Ms. Li's legs in "Mart of Darkness.")

As Mike Nelson would say, "Now that's good old fashioned nightmare fuel!"

-Mark Steese a/k/a Corvus Marinus

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Never understood it myself. Seems too difficult to carry off since many folk I see tend to look awful like that. It's a bit like that business where tight tops or "bodies" were at their height. Unless you are the exact right shape, such things are very unforgiving. The FC usually end up looking like freaks anyhooo...

But according to professional dancers, it is very "slenderising"... :)

Now, THERE's dialogue that captures the true spirit of the FC.

Good thing you've taken up fanficcing...

M Man

Steve Cross said:

Right. It would occasionally have a "Daria episode," in which characters like Tom and Jane and Trent got some development for exactly the same reason that Sandi and Stacy and Tiffany have gotten some development on the "Quinn episodes."

Well yeah ... but she's _really_ dull by herself. She's amusing mostly as part of the chorus of vapidity that is the FC :)

But with Daria, Tom and Jane off to college and no longer at LHS, wouldn't their roles be far less than the FC on "Daria"? It seems they'd be very occassional characters, like Amy or Rita on "Daria"

And, of course, a new series would also have new characters, and would be devoting time to developing *them*.

... when she's amusing at all :-)

M Man

Know all men by these presents, that the aforesaid [email] (Jordan S. Bassior) did write in news:[email], on the date of 29 Jun 2001:

I can only remember two scenes of Tiffany outside the FC: 'counseling' Daria in "It Happened One Nut" and irritating David in "Is It Fall Yet?" I thought both scenes were pretty funny. Tiffany blithely switching to the toaster after David grabbed her compact was classic.

My favorite Tiffany scene is the "tank top" discussion in "Fat Like Me":

JEFFY: You want the enemy to spot your tanks?

TIFFANY: Well, yeah, that's kind of the whole idea.

JAMIE: But what about the element of surprise?

TIFFANY: You surprise them by looking really hot.

JOEY: He's talking about war.

TIFFANY: So am I.

It also gives some insight into her personality, after a fashion. ^_^

-Mark Steese a/k/a Corvus Marinus

Corvus Marinus said:

Yes, but for that you need a straight man. Like David.

Even if we could get his voice, I like David too much to condemn him to eternal FC tutoring. :)

Well yes -- I think that Tiffany sees her aim in life as getting a man, preferably a rich, good looking man, and marrying him. So to her, sex appeal _is_ vital. And her eternal questions "Do ... I ... look ... good" and "Do ... I ... look ... fat" are thus highly relevant ones, to her.

I don't think Tiffany's actually very sexually motivated, herself. We don't see her going on and on about guys, only questioning her own beauty. Which, ironically, makes it _easier_ for her to find a rich husband -- she'd be less tempted to "put out" early thus enhancing her own desirability for a serious relationship (something that many women apparently don't grasp).

Of course, in her case, it's most definitely scheming, rather than scruples.

On 29 Jun 2001 16:42:59 GMT, [email] (Jordan S. Bassior) wrote:

Eh, I doubt it. Most of the girls I've known who've been simultaionously hot and worried about whether or not they look fat are also sexually active, usually promiscuous. The instinct is to try to make the insecurity go away by being involved with a guy, and because of that insecurity, she'll do what she thinks she has to in order to keep him, usually sexual activity. Of corse, they've also been highly manipulative, as well, so perhaps Tiffany doesn't fall into this catagory.

Daryl Sawyer said:

You could be right, although we never see her with any particular guy, just the usual FC status-dating. If she does have sex at all, she's probably _very_ promiscuous, then.

Know all men by these presents, that the aforesaid [email] (Jordan S. Bassior) did write in news:[email], on the date of 29 Jun 2001:

It's easier if you think of him as Carson Daly. ^_^

Hmm...I was thinking that for her the enemy is other girls. Sandi's made references to the Fashion Club's "enemies" (in "Aunt Nauseam," for example). I think both she and Tiffany see looking good as a form of combat.

-Mark Steese a/k/a Corvus Marinus

On 29 Jun 2001 16:35:24 GMT, [email] (Corvus Marinus) wrote:

LOL! I don't know what tank tops have to do with it, but alone, this is almost brilliant. Can you imagine, a bunch of nerdy guys running around with paintball guns, nobody knowing that a new competitor has hit the field. They see her, they stop and stare for a moment, and in that moment, get hit by a paintball.

Know all men by these presents, that the aforesaid [email] (Daryl Sawyer) did write in news:[email], on the date of 29 Jun 2001:

I trimmed out the first bit - Stacy and Tiffany lure the Three J's to Stacy's house for a fashion discussion; Stacy begins by talking about tank tops, and the Three J's assume she's talking about, well, the tops of tanks. (As seen in the cinematic classic "World War Blood.") The discussion goes downhill from there.

That is good. Maybe Tiffany and Brittany can team up to form an unstoppable paintball machine...

Mark Steese a/k/a Corvus Marinus On the other hand, those paintball thingies hurt!

Know all men by these presents, that the aforesaid [email] (Steve Cross) did write in news:9hhi7f$qq7$[email], on the date of 29 Jun 2001:

Isn't it "Blum-Deckler"? I always figured that her mother remarried.

I have my own theory about why Tiffany acts so "out of it," but I'd say you're a lot more likely to be right than I am, assuming that she isn't just supposed to be an airhead.

I don't find her loathsome either, but then I don't find Sandi loathsome. (Surprise!) I find Mr. O'Neill...tolerable. Sometimes.

-Mark Steese a/k/a Corvus Marinus alt.tv.daria's resident Sandite

Know all men by these presents, that the aforesaid [email] (Jordan S. Bassior) did write in news:[email], on the date of 27 Jun 2001:

I think that's an excellent idea. What would the show be called? Hmm..."Sandi and the Fashion Club?" "Sandi! (and the Fashion Club)"? Nah...how about "S*A*N*D*I! (and the FC)"? I could live with that. ^_^

Actually, I would like to know more about Sandi, Stacy, and Tiffany - we've never even seen Stacy or Tiffany's parents. Stacy gave a poignant clue about her home life in her scene with David in IIFY, but Tiffany's a complete mystery. (If her backstory isn't cleared up in "Is it College Yet?", I'll finish the fanfic about it that I've sketched out.) 'Daria' reminds me a little bit of the Sherlock Holmes series, in that they both drop clues about never-seen incidents - Doyle often referred to never- written cases like "The Giant Rat of Sumatra," which have been the starting point for countless neo-Holmes stories. (Hmm...Sherlock Holmes was really the first fanfic character, wasn't he?) I'd still like to know the whole story about Brittany and the lonely French exchange student. (Or about Brittany and her birth mother...)

I nominate Mr. DeMartino, since he won't have Kevin and Brittany to kick around any more. It would be a good way to expand on the last Fashion Club scene in IIFY; he *knows* Quinn's smarter than she acts.

-Mark Steese a/k/a Corvus Marinus

Corvus Marinus said:

In modern times, yes.