I actually wrote some notes down when I watched this again today. But first, this friendly reminder to newbies: Please don't forget the spoiler space! . . I . h a t e . h a v i n g . t o . d o . t h i s . b u t . i t . m u st be done.
I thoroughly enjoyed this. I laughed a lot. Daria continues the process of growing up. The one thing I didn't really like was Daria's nightmare. Her previous dreams were better.
My highlights:
* Daria's concern about her near-accident ("I killed a dog!") and her quick return to normal ("Would you mind telling Quinn I killed it?") * The SSW promo "The Severed Pianist!" * Daria asking for Quinn's opinion: "You're asking my advice, aren't you?...I always knew this day would come and wondered how it would be. Yet, now that it has I feel strangely...serene." * the reactions of everyone to Daria's contact lenses, though I was worried they'd run the "They're for driving"/"So why are you wearing them now?" lines into the ground * Daria's showing a bit of vanity, and feeling like a hypocrite for it, but gaining comfort from Brittany! * Jane's reprise from "Pierce Me"--"Daria?...Daria?...Talking toilet?" * Brittany calling to the lensless glasses-wearing Kevin: "Oh, Mr. Ein-STEEN!" * And last but certainly not least...Aunt Amy!
I really liked this episode, although I'm partially biased because I went through the whole contacts experience in 10th and 11th grade. Although I think they did improve my looks, and they DID help with that peripheral vision, I gave them up after about a year and a half and went back to the glasses. Some days, the contacts showed no mercy and left me with festering red eyes and a runny nose...other days, they'd slip up under my eyelid (God, I hated that!), and overall, they were just more trouble than they were worth. It took 15 minutes (well, it FELT like 15) to put them in every morning...time which I could use to continue sleeping. The glasses?...well, I never timed my glasses application time, but it was worth it.
My highlights.... (Yes, folks, I'm too lazy to make my OWN spoiler space...I'll just scavenge the spoiler space of others.)
First, those eyebrows! Jane wasn't completely right about Daria's face being unexpressive in "The Invitation"...the glasses just seem to align perfectly with her eyebrows. With contacts, she's a lot more visually expressive than you could tell when she wore the specs. And of course, the theme of the episode, which was Daria learning she was a little more human than she would like to believe. I loved her practiced-sounding spiel for Jane when she first went to school in her contacts...Daria was being a "twisted little crawler", and a little more vulnerable than usual. This and "Pierce Me" make a good pair of episodes; maybe we'll see them matched up on the next "Daria Day". I would include a gratuitous Trent alert for this episode, though...if Daria had seemed any more affected by Trent's one line than usual, this wouldn't have struck me as Trent for Trent's sake. But then, maybe I'm just jealous.
Choice Lines:
Jane: "I don't blame you, why settle for vanity when you can have pure egotism?" Jane is turning out to be, perhaps, a little more down-to-earth and sure of herself than Daria, whereas originally, I thought Jane was going to be the weaker of the two. Which one's the sidekick, folks?
"Do you think contacts reveal the you-ness inside?" "I dunno. Who's Eunice?" I don't know how old Glenn Eichler is, but I'll always wonder if he had trouble not making a Carol Burnett refernce here. Probably not...but that's what came to mind when I first heard this line, and the thought will haunt me every time I watch.
O'Neill: "Kevin, I must say I'm mystified by your total inability to absorb anything from this class." Has O'Neill been palling around with DiMartino? This is pretty harsh for him...and just a couple twitches away from one of our favorite history teacher's lines.
Aunt Amy: "Well, my favorite niece!....Who is this?" I loved the line, but was especially surprised that it got past Daria completely...but then she was worried, and the episode was about Daria not being infallible, anyway.
At the doctor's:
Daria: So if anything does go wrong, it's my fault. Doctor (cheerfully): That'll be our position!
There were probably more, but I can't remember them all at the moment.
I have to admit, I enjoyed this much more than "Daria! The Musical". I wouldn't rank it in my top 5 episodes, but it's a contender for the top 10 (but I don't think there are enough episodes yet to merit a top 10).
I love having contacts. I can put them in first attempt now. :) And I can laugh at my glasses-wearing friend when it rains and she can't see. :) I haven't had any problems with them at all which surprised me, and I look a lot better without glasses (yes, I'm that shallow... <g>).
Couldn't agree more. Every second is precious. And did you know that if a contact lens slips *all the way* past your eyelid, the razor-sharp edge of the lens will slice your optic nerve clean off? (or at least that was always my justification for never getting contacts!)
Sounds like a good justification to me.<g> I never got contacts, or really even wanted them. That's partly because I can't stand to put stuff in my eye (even eyedrops bother me). Also I've been wearing my glasses since I was about 7, and every other member of my family wears glasses, too. I'd feel more out of place if I didn't wear them.
I've had glasses since 7th grade, but, yeah, everyone in my family wears them, too. While admittedly it freaked me out a little at first when I learned that I had to get glasses, about 15 years later I feel naked without them. (And, of course, blind, too.) :-)
And of course, it's fun to take advantage of the fact that people think that people with glasses are more intelligent. :-) Ever notice that in commercials? The actor who's supposed to play an "authority" role like a doctor or scientist usually wears glasses... weird.
rich.
Jane: Usually when I have this dream I'm wearing pink taffeta.
Most of my family wear glasses now. My brother has blue-tinted ones for reading, but I don't know if they count because all they do is make everything look blue - they don't change his vision other than like that.
I think it's stupid. I can be intelligent without glasses. :)
Yet another reason for me to wear contacts. I hate authority figures, but also hate having to BE an authority figure. An anarchist. Which was proving my donwnfall in Science Olympiad when we're all grabbing for power which determines our events. Grrr....
OK I'll leave now and come back when I'm awake :)
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Oh, I hate authority figures, but I quite like being one. So long as there's no responsibilities involved. That sort of thing scares me. :) I just like telling people what to do. :)
Whoooo hoooo!!!! (breaks out the streamers and party hats)
I love what you said there, about "I just like telling people what to do." We need more femmes out there like that!
Beaming pride,
deena lissa
"You are lost and alone, but a prisoner of your pride..." (Duran Duran 1986) Jane: Dear Daria, Lousy Traitor. Daria: Dear Jane, I know what you are, but what am I?
Sorry, sometimes I dip into the silliness jar and come out slightly more hyper than I'd figured I'd get.
(others: "Wha...?")
Oh, and no, I haven't consumed any sugar recently. Haven't consumed anything all day, actually (it's 12:10 p.m. here). Ick. I promise you that was just a rare occurrence.
(still think you deserve a high five, though)
deena lissa
"You are lost and alone, but a prisoner of your pride..." (Duran Duran 1986) Jane: Dear Daria, Lousy Traitor. Daria: Dear Jane, I know what you are, but what am I?
Did you remember to take your Ritalin? There's only enough room for one MiniCat here, you know. <g> [No offence to MiniCat if she's still around here somewhere. :)] I had some chocolate this morning and that's about it for sugar. :) I had a sandwich at lunchtime, in case anyone here's still worried about my eating habits. <g> [The doctor is, incidentally - I'm being sent to see a bloody psychiatrist! Hmph.]
On Mon, 01 Mar 1999 13:32:39 GMT, deena lissa wrote:
I certainly hope you're kidding about this. <Warning: Small rant ahead> Just telling people what to do (without any reason, or responsability to so so) has absolutely no value whatsoever, and is also highly annoying.
I was talking about females who take charge, who are leaders and aren't afraid of giving orders instead of cowering in some little corner. Sure, there are some annoyance factors to those who just bark orders all the time, but there are also annoyance factors to those who don't do a damn thing to take control of their own lives. And if they can take command of a situation, fine by me.
deena lissa
"You are lost and alone, but a prisoner of your pride..." (Duran Duran 1986) Jane: Dear Daria, Lousy Traitor. Daria: Dear Jane, I know what you are, but what am I?
I didn't know there was any other kind of female. :-) They get bossy at about age 5 and they never outgrow it. Fortunately little boys learn to be oblivious at about age 5 and they never outgrow that either. All part of the balance of nature.
What's needed are people (not just female) who can take charge because they know what they're doing instead of because they just have a big mouth. There's a difference between being assertive and being just plain snotty. When you've EARNED the respect of subordinates then you don't need a big mouth. Of course if you're barking orders to people who aren't subordinates then you deserve what you get. There are plenty of less civilized individuals who have unique ways of expressing disapproval for irritating people who are continually barking orders when they have no real authority to do so. Also part of the balance of nature.
On Tue, 02 Mar 1999 14:22:07 GMT, deena lissa wrote:
Ah, communication gap, then. I was referring to those girls who, for no reason whatsoever, scream at guys, and then get mad when they don't do what she wants, ie. she's an insane.... yeah. Kind of like my sister is some times.
I have no problem with a girl who will take charge of a situation (several of my supervisors are female, and I prefer ANY supervisor who will tell those lazy ass co-workers of mine to get OFF their asses), and there's nothing that breaks my heart more than a girl who can't be honest about who she is and what she feels and thinks. I've known a lot of nice guys who were hurt because a girl who just didn't feel the same way he did couldn't just tell him that straight up... made him figure it out, while she walked egg shells.
Okay, I solved for K= (Perceived Intelligence*Thickness of Neck)/(Thickness of Glasses), but the question remains to me-- what units do I use for Intelligence? IQ points? And is thickness measured in cm or in? Is K a constant? Or a variable?
Just wonderin' rich.
Daria: "I always knew that I would die in Nowheresville"
Jane: "But I didn't think I'd die there quite so soon."
K must be a constant with units of Perceived Intellegence (henceforth, P.I.). At present, I see no need to define and standardize a unit of P.I., so K has no meaningful numeric value, and is thus shown only to indicate that the relationship between P.I. and the thickness ratio is linear.
It doesn't matter what unit you choose for the thicknesses, since it cancels out. And IQ points is not a linear measure, unfortunately, so it can't be used for P.I.
To Deena Lissa: You thought you were out of place on this group because you're into math and science stuff, eh? *smiles* It would appear that you have been proven quite incorrect. ;-)
Oh yes, and I'm feeling VERY happy now...VERY, very happy...*g*
I friggin' love you guys!!!!!
(skips about because she's gotten to see some formulas here)
Actually, I do agree with the perceived intelligence = K * (thickness of glasses/thickness of neck) formula. I mean, when I was younger (oh, about four or so) I was a bit chubby and wore these horrendous coke-bottle glasses, so naturally people perceived me to be a child genius. It was frightening, too, made even more so by the observation that I was the _only_ below-six-year-old on campus who knew how to read (and it didn't help that I was reading at 5th grade level either). Argh. Well, thank God those days are over and done with.... :)
deena lissa who loves this thread and a.t.d
"You are lost and alone, but a prisoner of your pride..." (Duran Duran 1986) Jane: Dear Daria, Lousy Traitor. Daria: Dear Jane, I know what you are, but what am I?
LOL. Nobody ever thought I was intelligent when I was four. I think my pre-school teachers thought I was insane, a little psycho! I'd do stuff like taking a load of felt pens and dipping the ends in glue, and shutting other kids in the wendy house, and trying to make other kids eat bugs.....Ahh, memories.... <g> Maybe I should have worn glasses and put on a bit of weight. :)
Oh wow, your type was the kind of person I most liked. I loved the slightly mad person who was in my kinder class -- he was funny and probably the only person there in that classroom who actually wanted to talk to me. Of course, it felt more like a recruitment into the "naughtier" (i.e. "teacher will get after us if we do this") side of things, but I did enjoy his presence.
I was odd, too. I loved nothing more than to walk alongside the train tracks that were located at the park we used to go play at, and listen to the whistling howl of the [freight] train as it passed by. Even cooler was when it was either cold and sunny or cool and rainy. Even today when I hear train tracks and it's nice and cool outside (breeze flowing through, sun lightly kissing everything), I feel a little tingle, like I'm being transported back to when I was little. *sigh*
(what is a wendy house, btw?)
Naw...or else you wouldn't have been like that boy whose presence I liked. (And no, I didn't have a crush on him, it was purely platonic.)
deena lissa
"You are lost and alone, but a prisoner of your pride..." (Duran Duran 1986) Jane: Dear Daria, Lousy Traitor. Daria: Dear Jane, I know what you are, but what am I?
I didn't talk to people much. I think I scared some of the smaller children. <g> The only people I can remember being friends with are these twins who I'm still friends with now, oddly enough. 12 bloody years! :)
It's....a wendy house. A little house thing that kids can play in. Big enough for small children but not adults.
On Sun, 28 Feb 1999 22:55:54 GMT, [email] (paperpusher) wrote:
Use IQ points for intelligence. K is the general letter used to represent a constant, so I'm assuming it is. I'm not doing much to dispel this myth, because I have a very high Glasses Thickness to Neck Thickness ratio, and I'm known as Two Point, because I scored 158 on an IQ test, 2 points short of the "Genius" level listed on the scoring guide.
___
Kyle
You wanna come over here and say that? Oh, you do? I was kinda hopin you'd back off, so nevermind.
Another Nugget Of Wisdom from the Wonderful World Of Kyle(TM)
The most common by far is David Wechsler's Adult Intelligence Scale Revised IQ test, for adults. There is also a childrens version. The Wechsler test is in two parts, verbal (vocab, etc..) and non-verbal (puzzles) scored separately. The two scores are then combined (but not simply added up) to give the overal IQ score using a lookup table. The final full-scale IQ is the most significant result of the test, but the ratio of verbal to non-verbal performance scores is also significant.
The Stanford-Binet test is an earlier IQ test, still given in some cases. The results cannot be compared to those of the Wechsler tests.
There's another two that pop up alot. I forget the names though. There are enough that Mensa goes by percentile these days, not raw score, if that's any indication. I remember when I was growing up they went by just the scores... The proliferation of differing IQ tests was their reasoning for the switch if I can recall correctly.
After all, the Mensa folks are pretty smart, I'm sure they know what they're doing! ;^)
(I personally find the whole IQ test thing to be ridiculous at best anyway)
they used to accept SAT scores, but since the SAT people started recentering the scores, they dont. which pissed me off, because i did well enough on the SAT (even without recentering) to get into mensa. <sulk> Saerah
I've never done an IQ test. Maybe I should, then people would stop expecting me to say something intelligent, and stuff.... It was this one lot of tests we did back in year 7, you see, and I scored really highly in those, and I have never managed to live it down....
I know how you feel because I did a battery of IQ tests when I was eight years old and scored rather highly on them. I think near the genius level, as well. Anyways, that only further drilled into my parents and teachers that I had a working brain and ever since then they've set up these mammoth standards for me to live up to. Ick. I feel your pain for real.
deena lissa
"You are lost and alone, but a prisoner of your pride..." (Duran Duran 1986) Jane: Dear Daria, Lousy Traitor. Daria: Dear Jane, I know what you are, but what am I?
My friends called me Two Short because I was 2 IQ points short of double digits. I was really upset about it until the teacher gave me her car keys to play with.
Coolness. So add that to the extra 20 points I've earned from being a Duran Duran fan (*snark*) and I could conceivably be close to kicking Marilyn Vos Savant off the "highest IQ" listing in the Guinness Book of World Records! Or maybe not....
deena lissa
"You are lost and alone, but a prisoner of your pride..." (Duran Duran 1986) Jane: Dear Daria, Lousy Traitor. Daria: Dear Jane, I know what you are, but what am I?
I have really thick glasses (almost the max correctable) AND a really thick neck (I have to buy special dress shirts to be able to wear a tie). Could corrective surgery to my neck improve my intelligence, and would I get really stupid if I wore contacts?
Yeah, that 30 minutes it took me to put the damn things in was never worth it. I'd rather sleep. Besides, I look better with glasses-- it softens my strong and rugged features. ;-)
And, of course, when you're out late bar-hopping, you don't have to bail early like all of those contact-wearers-- "Oh, I've had these things in all day! I've got to go home and take them out!" Wimps. ;-)
Hm... nice one. Of course, you know that they don't make them out of teflon-coated steel anymore, right? :-)
rich.
Daria: "I always knew that I would die in Nowheresville"
Jane: "But I didn't think I'd die there quite so soon."
I *should* get contacts because they'll let me see better, espeically when using my camera, but I *won't* get contacts because they totally creep me out. Sometimes I'm still prone to complain about my glasses, though, so when pressed on the issue, I use that silly story to "back up my position".
I can't even stand to use eye drops. I can't imagine what it would be like to have to put one of those clear manhole covers RIGHT ON MY EYEBALL. AAAAGGGGHHHH!!!!!
Wow. Quite a surprising reaction. Before pointing out how others might have put their foot in their mouth, make sure that your own is quickly heading in the same direction.
If we eliminated all the irrationality from our lives, where would all of the lovers go? <sigh>
Anyhow, to press the issue, "putting in contacts is no big deal," is an awfully obnoxious comment to make. To some people it's a very big deal, both psychologically and physically. Some people have extremely sensitive eyes and contacts will never feel natural or comfortable. To make them sound like whiners is pretty rude. There are also folks with irregularities in their eyes that will simply never be able to wear contacts. It's a very big deal to them.
I'm normally not this defensive, but personally contacts are a huge problem for me, and due to a birth defect they will never be a viable option. As a result I am relegated to a lifetime of severely reduced options.
It doesn't get easier with each generation of contacts for some folks.
I'm quite happy for you that your own sight correction experiences were relatively painless. They're not that way for everyone. Keep this in mind next time that you decide to trivialize the problems that other people might have for whatever reason.
On Sat, 27 Feb 1999 06:38:36 -0800, [email] (Q�0) wrote:
I don't believe I'm familiar with the term "whinning". What exactly is a "whinn", anyway? Is that some new kind of sports activity? Can anyone "whinn", or are special skills needed? Are fabulous prizes available if you succeed in "whinning"?
On Sat, 27 Feb 1999 22:06:15 -0500, Jeg7777 wrote:
Ok, here we go. I'll now quote from my favorite source of reference The Simpsons, A complete Guide To Our Favorite Family.
Episode 2F03 "Treehouse of Horror V"
Groundskeeper Willie: Boy, you read my thoughts! You've got the "shinning!" Bart: You mean "shining." Willie: Shhh! You wanna get sued? Now look, boy. If your Da goes ga-ga, you just use that..."shin" of yours to call me and I'll come a-runnin'. But don't be readin' my mind between four and five. That's Willie's time.
Laydeez annn Gennlemennnnn!!! Roll up, roll up to that rarest of things, that nearly unknown amnogst the range of natural phenomena, that Usenet equivalent of Bigfoot, crop circles, UFOs and the secrets of the Bermuda Triangle rolled into one!!!
Coming up next on Sick Sad World - a genuine flamewar on alt.tv.daria
Don't worry, it's not going to happen. The Fashion Club is having an emergency meeting and they'll put a stop to it. A flame war would ruin their outfits.
Nevertheless I'm getting my Nomex underwear out of storage.
On Mon, 01 Mar 1999 16:26:13 -0800, [email] (Q�0) wrote:
Congratulations! The first step towards a cure is admitting that you have a problem.
Martin (to send E-mail, remove the "nospam" from my E-mail address) ---- Quinn: "When they got nervous, they'd drink cocoa." Helen: "Now, sweetie, there's nothing to worry about." (door slams) "Looters!" ---- Outpost Daria: Your Online Database for All Things Daria! http://systech.simplenet.com/daria/
You are obviously--besides BEING the aforementioned SOURCE of said aggravation, arrogance, pomposity and stupidity--a member of the Fashion Club. Or are you Kevin or Brittany? Whatever. You're a moron.
Oh, in the name of Zeus' butthole, just shush up. That goes for the both of you. Flame each other in email if you really care that much for chrissake.. In the meantime, I'm sure you can both find something constructive to say in another thread. *smiles*
All this is aid in a kind and nice tone, of course. :-)
On Mon, 01 Mar 1999 19:52:52 +0000, "Jessica L." wrote:
Ignore trolls and they go away. Continue communicating with them and you entertain them. (If I had a proper killfile feature, I could avoid this discussion altogether).
On Mon, 01 Mar 1999 22:55:07 -0500, Jeg7777 wrote:
Let him rant and be arrogant and obnoxious all he wants. If your news reader has a filter, use it. It's much more effective than continuing to bait him, and a *lot* less stressful. :-)
Martin (to send E-mail, remove the "nospam" from my E-mail address) ---- Quinn: "When they got nervous, they'd drink cocoa." Helen: "Now, sweetie, there's nothing to worry about." (door slams) "Looters!" ---- Outpost Daria: Your Online Database for All Things Daria! http://systech.simplenet.com/daria/
And why would anyone want naked quinn pictures? hell, even if she were real I wouldn't be interested. Now if I could find a real life Jane, then I'd be interested.
Oh, for fuck's sake, grow up. Maybe Joe already goes on alt.fan.alicia-silverstone, maybe he doesn't; what's it to you anyway and how does a person's opinion of Alicia Silverstone make anyone better or worse than anyone else? How does his use of the word "whatever" imply that Joe likes Alicia Silverstone? And what are you doing here anyway? This isn't on topic, it's not intelligent, and it's not even funny, which I surprises me because - below a certain level - stupidity can be quite amusing to observe, IMO.
At first, I got a good laugh out of that, because I had this vision of a guy with two big manole covers over his eyes. You know, they'd like, cover his mouth and stuff. But then you added:
... and I realized that you must not understand hyberbole when you see it.
Cause then I'd still have the other 98% of my irrationality to contend with (like an uncontrollable urge to exaggerate for humorous effect). Another little 2% isn't that big a burden.
Hoooray! I'm so happy for you! This best news I've ever heard IN MY ENTIRE LIFE! YYYYAAAAAYYYYYYY!!!!!
As a contacts-wearer who sometimes still goes out in glasses, I hope that your glasses-wearing friends laugh back at when, as happened to me once, a particularly large raindrop hits you right in the eye, washing your lens out into the street never to be seen again.
LOL, you're kidding! That happened to you? Yes, my friends would laugh hysterically if that happened to me, even the ones who don't wear glasses. But they'd do that even if I'd never laughed at anyone. My friends seem to take pleasure out of laughing at me or each other or whoever... <g>
How would those of us who are visually impaired go about mocking someone with perfect vision? ;-) Would it be something like, "two-eyes?" ;-)
Of course, these days, geek is chic-- even people who don't need glasses wear them for the fashion and perception advantage. <g> (I.e., that people who wear glasses must be really smart to ruin their eyes so thoroughly.) 8-)
rich.
Quinn: I can't be a brain! My friends will hate me!
Yes That was the first thing that popped into my mind too.
Have you EVER had to teach? In HS, I was a member of Future Teachers Of America and would sometimes have to fill in for teachers, while the coach who subbed just observed the class. Believe me, you'd go from being O'Neill to DiMatino too over time if you taught. =)